When Sri Sathya Sai met Mahatma Gandhi...
February 27, 2002 (Wednesday)
Swami came out of the interview room at around 3:15 pm. After blessing the
birthday boys, he noticed that one boy had an erratic heartbeat. Swami called
Dr. Gopinath to check his heartbeat. Swami then called one of the students and
asked him, "Are you from Higher Secondary School?" The student nodded in the
affirmative. (Referring to the photos of Swami's visit to the school hostel)
Swami told him that photos have come and thus took him to the interview room to
give him. After coming out.
Swami : To the student whom Swami took inside and gave the photos.) Separate
them and give them. (Then Swami went through the photos and picked up this
particular student's photo, gave it to him, and told him to distribute the
rest.) What news? Yesterday in the Hostel, you all had dinner outside.
(Referring to the moon-light dinner on the terrace.) I know. Teachers were also
there. You had Pulav, Kurma, Tomato Rasam. I know everything. (Swami then
accepted a cover from one of the students and asked him.) Did you give the
application form for M.B.A.?
Student : Yes, Swami.
Swami : What other news? (Looking in the direction of one elderly teacher) He
has not come.
Prof. A.K. : Swami, he has gone to hospital.
Swami : He has gone to show his eyes. (Swami notices that the student
distributing the photos was giving the photos to each student whether the
student was in the photo or not.) Aye! (To Prof. Anil Kumar) Tell him to see
and give. (Prof. Anil Kumar conveys to the student what Swami told him.)
Prof. A.K. : Swami, he is distributing photos as if he is distributing Prasadam!
(Swami, asks for the card held by a student. He reads through the card and asks
the student pointing to a picture) "What is this?"
Student : Heart, Swami.
Swami : Is the heart like this? (Swami placed the card on a table lying on a
side.) Today they have written a new Telugu poem. (Swami opens the cover taken
from a student a few minutes back and finds M.B.A. application form. Seeing the
photograph, He asked the student who had given this cover) Who is he?
Student : Brother, Swami.
Swami : Go and give it to the Registrar in the College. What is he doing?
Student : B.Com., Swami.
Swami : What news? (Swami's attention now got diverted to another huge card.
After seeing it both inside and outside.) Why do you waste so much of paper?
(The student responded with a smile.) Padho (read) (The student read the
contents of the card that was in Hindi.) What is the meaning of Mauka
(opportunity)? What is Zindagi (life)? Zindagi is Duniya. (Life is world.) What
is Mauka? Before in Anantapur College, Mukherjee (Prof. Anima Mukherjee) was
the Principal. (To Prof. A.K.) Did you understand the meaning of it?
Prof. A.K. : No, Swami. I don't know Hindi.
Swami : (To a student) Bangalore boy? Music College boy? Sit down. (Swami takes
the card given by the Institute students and asks them to go and sit down.
After going through.) They have written the same thing three days back. Is it
not? (Swami then turned to Prof. Anil Kumar) Once the British Prime Minister
came to see Gandhi. On his table, the books were piled up one above the other,
on top of which was the Bible. This made the Prime Minister very happy and he
said, "See, Gandhi, our Bible is above all other books." Gandhi then replied,
"Please look at the book at the bottom. It is the sacred Ramayana, which is the
foundation. Without the foundation there is no Bible."
Sri Sathya Sai - 1947
Did any of you see Gandhi? (An expected response of silence filled the air.) I
have met him five times. First was in Madras during a meeting in Andhra Maha
Sabha. Hanumantha Rao, a great devotee, who was the Chairman of the Transport
Corporation of composite Madras (which had parts of the current Andhra and
Karnataka states), convened it. He was also the one who constructed the new
Mandir. Actually Andhra Maha Sabha is mainly the brainchild of Durgabai
Deshmukh (1909-1981, she was an Indian freedom fighter, lawyer, social worker
and politician). Durgabai and Chengamma were sisters. Gandhiji sent word
through Hanumantha Rao that he wanted to sit by My side. I agreed to that. He
sat with his legs folded and leaning with the support of his hand. Later, I met
him in Hyderabad. That time Jamunabai was the Chief Secretary. The next time I
met him was during the meeting of the Indian National Congress, organised by
Gandhiji. For collection of donation, he had spread a big cloth. As people did
not come with cash to the meeting, they removed their ornaments and gave it to
him. Then I told him, "You yourself are collecting money. Then how can anyone
expect you to save this country?" Then he said, "Swami, this is not for me,
this is for the poor people." I then told him that he should declare this in
the public, since the public would misunderstand. He then announced, "Sai
Baba's brain is very sharp. What I have done is really a mistake." The next
time I met him was in Delhi, at Kamani Hall during another meeting. He is the
same Kamani who constructed this Pooranachandra auditorium. Lot of people
attended that meeting. Gandhiji was full of humour.
(Turning to V.C.) Have you seen Gandhiji?
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
V.C. : Yes Swami. I saw him when I was a small boy of 10 years. It was from
very far.
Swami : It was I who requested Pitapur Maharaj to hand over the grounds to
National Congress. Durgabai Deshmukh was pressurising Pitapur Maharaj. But he
did not agree. They all belonged to the Justice Party (officially known as the
South Indian Liberal Federation, was a political party in the Madras Presidency
of British India established in 1917). He did not want to accept whatever the
Congress said. During this Mandir construction, it was the brother of Pitapur
Maharaj who helped for the engineering works. His full name was R. Neeladri
Rao. There were three brothers. They were Neeladri Rao, Simhadri Rao, and
Brahmadri Rao.
Prof. A.K. : Swami, I am not sure whether they remember You or not. But Swami
remembers all of them.
Source: Students with Sai: Conversations (2001-2004)
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