WoW!This is like trying to air everybody's dirty laundry on the internet. Lets not get caught up going in vicious circles playing the blame game. It leads to anger and breaking up of unity. I do like how the village came together for the RP. We admit that those gaddos do pose a threat to safety and so may be we can recognize that and not approve any gaddos or construction within a certain distance of an intersection and if done at all to leave space from the road for vehicular parking. Also since we recognize it is a threat it is okay to back track and find safer alternatives. That intersection in Saligao is a major threat to public safety. and we should be talking about traffic lights or manned traffic control or a traffic circle, with traffic lights being the best solution. In the interests of Harmony and planning instead of chaos lets put aside our personal conflicts to work together for a better Saligao Chris De Souza
--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Austin Goandreams <[email protected]> wrote: From: Austin Goandreams <[email protected]> Subject: [SALIGAONET] Re: gaddo too many? To: [email protected] Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 5:26 AM Dear Maurice & Ashley, this is the last time I am going to get into this debate on the net. I cannot leave these few points without saying what has to be saiud:1. Maurice, sometimes we intelligent humans behave like 'horses' who are made to look only ahead , with their side vision blocked... I do not understand why, but somehow you refuse to accept the fact that NOC's issued by us have to be granted permission by the Village Panchayat. They approve the applications at the monthly meeting and if the permission is granted, they charge a fee. Our NOC's are given subject to Panchayat approval. All NOC's given by the Communidade are first passed by the General body of the Communidade and only then given. the NOC's are all "CONDITIONAL" and one of the conditions is Village Panchayat approval before any business is started/structure built. I do not have to hide anything from anybody.2. Sad it is, how we take up for our buddies, no matter what the truth is! For your kind information the Cottula road has been a priority with many of us much before You, Joe, Darryl and some others were even in this Village. Check the Panchayat records. The first time this road was proposed for widening was almost 38 years ago. This was done during the tenure of Mr. Jose Cordeiro as Sarpanch and when the Cottula ward member was Mr. Milagrin Pinto. A road conforming to the present cottula road alignment was proposed, physically measured and marked and sent to the Government for completing. The then Government however did not take up the work, as they said they had no funds. Much later, as I had said in my earlier posts, the same was taken up by Dr. Wilfred D' Souza (around 1994), along with the Grande Morod bypass. This to did not materialize as the starting and part of the road in Goletem was blocked by some people with a stay order. There was some commotion at the Gram Sabha then, and the road was 'kept pending - to be taken up when resolved' (which never happened). Now that there was chance to get it widened and improved , do you guy's really expect us to just let it go ? Do any of you actually use that road. THE ROAD WORK WHICH WAS STOPPED BY THE SARPANCH ON COMPLAINTS MADE BY MR. JOE D' SOUZA AND OTHERS HAS NOW RESTARTED. This was done at the request of the people from this ward of Cottula, who all signed a written 'appeal', made by me and forwarded to the Village Panchayat. Dr. Willy is also one of the signatories to this,(probably the only one who does not use this road regularly) and All 47 others are residents of Cottula and use this road frequently. 3. The road has been left like this because first, there was this 'stop work' order from the Sarpanch, which later the Village Panchayat body overruled at their last two meetings. The second reason is that the mud and the filling put, has to really settle-down, so that the air pockets and hollow places get filled up. This will happen naturally with the rains and I am sure the work should re-start soon. By the way this road now that it is widened, will also help in the parking rush that takes place during Church feast and other occassions.. 4. This road was to be marked as a wide 6 meter road and I had personally told Ashley to do so at the Cottulas DR plan meeting, which people from Cottula had attended and was held atop of the Gym and Library of El Shaddai, near Victory House. I had also told it many times earlier to Ashley that that road was to be widened. I absolutely stand by the NOC's given by the Communidade. The project of the buliders (Reira Constructions) was already over and the road if not widened would not have been usable for pedestrian traffic later ...! 5. I do not remember when it was that I walked out and with regard to what..?? what was the issue?? Also you mention, Keith, Ashley and yourself taking up issues. By all means do so - do not shirk and let certain things pass when there is a possibility of those people defending themselves in whatever way they can. Here these people cannot speak for themselves (the Gaddo people) and are at the mercy of having to put up with whatever is dished out to them...even otherwise it does not really matter.6. I was among the first to reach Ashley's side (within 7 minutes after he called me) and I took up this issue with some people who had intentions of taking this further..! I admire Ashley's guts and courage to do what he has done., but would advise him and anyone else (in future) to file a police complaint and get protection before doing anything. Safety should be taken care of first as the Government will not help in these matters...! Please lets cut this debate. Enough group-ism we have in the village and wwe do not require any further factions. with regardsAustin On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Ashley Delaney <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Austy been a bit busy so sending this reponse delayed. > and Ashley and the other gauncars present were briefed, and according to > what was discussed, a consensus was reached, > which was part of our earlier N.O.C's. Please get Ashley to brief you...1 bud, will call u up this evening and update u in case u dont get it, but aparantly the gaunkars have decided about a year or so ago to give the bandh out for people to conduct trade as they were ilegally occupiing the bandh... alwyn.. evn that guy govindh who was there before was illegally occupying land which did not belong to him!!! also the gaunkars have made it clear that the temporary licences which have been issued were given ONLY with the provision that the gaddos would be moved intot he new market complex in whatsoever lifetime that may come up :-( i have asked the communidade to stop issuing more licensaes though which austy readly complied with. he also did admit to me that yes it would pose a trafic hazzard and yes the last gaddo which has been errected and not yet opened could indeed pose a problem in the future.. however let me make it clear that as it was in informal discussion no action could be taken due to lack of quorum for the communidade meeting. > compassion for the poor is not for you to appreciate or otherwise, > and I do not require any certificate or permission from > you to do what I do..! At the moment nothing needs to conform to the > new draft regional plan. Agreed that it is a exercise > by the whole village, but whether it will be implemented as per what > we forwarded is to be seen. The Sarpanch had not > signed in spite of repeated request was known to all. WHAT? this is nonsense.. austy this is really laughable coming from you. what do u mean nothing needs to conform to the plan untill it is approved? let me put it to you in builder terms that u may understand if u start building a garage while the architect has made plans for a swimming pool in the same place, when the plan DOES go thru will u THAN only pull down the garage and start digging a hole? doing somehting which is against planning is totally unacceptable and against public interest.. i'm sorry i do not agree with the statement above > I am also not trying to push the blame onto the panchayat, but > this is the way things work. NOC's are sought from us > the Village Panchayat many times to do improvements and developments > in the village, (which we give or reject), but if > the work has to be done/approval required from higher Government > departments, our NOC's are forwarded to them by the > panchayat, and then it is the Government departments call, whether > to approve/give permission or not. Here the Village > panchayat being the final approving/licensing body, they have to > decide whether to grant permission or not. but isnt the order of getting permission being FIRST going to you'll for NOCs and THAN only gogin tot he panchayet? that means in the future we CAN nip things like this in the bud before it even reaches the panchayet.... :-) T > > ....We cannot compare Saligao and Panjim. I am not getting into a debate > on this. Once again please check with Ashley the > future plans for these "kiosk's". Again you allege "new NOC's" ??? > BUT we can... panjim is on its way to being a planned town... slaigao while we had started to be on its way to a planned town u have categorically said that we do not ned to follow a plan? what was the use of the whole RP exercise? a waste of time??? i'm a bit taken aback from this mail austy.. u seem to have backtracked on the RP a bit Ashley -- Failure is not an option -- it comes bundled with Windows. Devine Computers Abreovaddo, Saligao, Bardez, Goa. Ph: 2409544 / 9823118321 Branch: Opp Municipality, Shetye resicom, Shop #3. Bicholim Ph: 9422448900 / 2361147 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ This message comes via the Google Groups "Saligao-Net" group. 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