Thanks Rico.
I thought it had not been posted bcos it did not come to me. but i think it
is bcos of Gmail.
No malice in my remark.
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From: "Frederick Noronha" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:59 PM
Subject: [SALIGAONET] Fwd: The Goa that is fast getting into History !
Dear Yvonne, The post you refer to (dated Jan 15) was already
circulated below. It is on the list archives too... FN
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From: "Yvon.Gmail" <[email protected]>
Date: Jan 15, 10:17 am
Subject: The Goa that is fast getting into History !
To: Saligao-Net
Thanks for understanding my point of view Patsy. We who deal with
young people on a one to one basis know how a little individual help
can go a long way.
For instance Rs 5000 may be nothing for a wealthy person to give a
student who can't afford to study beyond the 12th standard but for the
kid it means an opportunity for a better life not only for him/her but
for the generations that follow.
A well-to-do person would not have the faintest idea how difficult it
is sometimes for students to ask their poor parents for 300rs to buy
books or journals when there is not enough food on the tables.The pain
they go through has to be seen to be believed.And on the other hand
there are students who flaunt 500r notes in canteens and food gaddos.
'Sharing 'may seem idealistic but it is on my 'wish list' for the
world.It's not just money but so many other things that can be shared.
Fortunately the generosity of kind friends and family members who have
come forward to help needy students, has given me hope that
individuals can make a difference in the lives of the poor.And instead
of putting all the blame on politicians(who are actually "takers 'and
not 'givers'), if each one did his/her bit it would definitely make
the world a better place.
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From: Patricia Nazareth
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SALIGAONET] The Goa that is fast getting into
History !
In this whole discussion, Yvonne's observation that.....
There is only one solution;those who have should share with those
who do not
is an extremely valid point - idealistic as it may seem.
There are many examples of people making a difference, both -
locally and globally......sharing their wealth, time and talents,
generously, with the less fortunate. Perhaps, the only way in which
we can hope to help improve anyone's situation (whether in Saligao or
anywhere else) is to hope that more people adopt this attitude of
generosity. Very unfortunately, harsh reality is that the more people
have, the more they want, and the less they think about others (ie.
the more selfish they get.) So, coming full circle.....while the poor
of the world have our well-deserved compassion and sympathy, and (as
Rico rightly says - will do almost anything to get ahead, and who can
blame them?) they are, for the most part, much better (and often
happier) people than their filthy rich counterparts.
Patsy
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From: Yvon.Gmail <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 4:51:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SALIGAONET] The Goa that is fast getting into
History !
I don't think anyone would glamorise poverty and make a conscious
choice to be poor.
The point I wanted to make was that DESPITE poverty and hardship the
villagers of yore emerged stronger and more at peace with nature and
with themselves.
Today poverty makes people bitter, frustrated and discontented
because as you rightly said they are aware of their deprivation and
long for a better life.Who can blame them?
There is only one solution;those who have should share with those
who do not.
----- Original Message -----
From: Frederick Noronha
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SALIGAONET] The Goa that is fast getting into
History !
We should not fall into the trap of glamourising poverty. While
these men may be "richer than most of us", how many of us would like
to exchange our lives for their's?
At the end of the day, I would say that the bulk of the villagers
of Saligao have no stake in our growth or our aspirations. Many don't
even have access to a decent, regular and sustainable income -- more
so after the collapse of the traditional, often barter-based economy.
The fact that they can see the good life passing them by makes them
only more aware of their deprivation.
Which is why, many would be willing to do just about anything to
get ahead in life -- whether that's selling water, giving
controversial permissions for buildings, massacaring a part of the
village sylvan areas, dumping mud into fields, and so on...
As Chris has pointed out, many of our co-villagers have not moved
one inch forward in the past one generation or two. In colonial times,
we had an alibi. Now, whom do we blame? Just the politicians? I don't
think that's sufficient.
I don't intend to be pessimistic alone. We have some fine
institutions in Saligao, which are benefitting a whole lot ...
including schools which accept all, regardless of differences of
community, caste or class (there are still a few barriers like
language, but not as insurmountable as in the past).
We also have individuals who have given a lot, and helped make the
village a better place. But let us not forget those who have been
almost completely excluded from all such initiatives. FN
Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490
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On 14 January 2011 07:27, Yvon.Gmail <[email protected]> wrote:
Exactly my sentiments Sanjeev!!.
We will not see such strength,stamina and a oneness with nature
in the generations to come. Their weather-beaten faces are beautiful.
We may interpret a picture in different ways but there's
no denying that these pictures speak to us of our history.
Thanks for sharing.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sanjeev Trivedi
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SALIGAONET] The Goa that is fast getting into
History !
The pictures were meant to capture the once very integral part
of the Goan village scene. certainly NOT beauty.
If you consider the pride, self respect and dignity these men
possess, they are richer than most of us. I look upon these gentlemen
with utmost respect.
Sanjeev
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Christopher Desouza
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sanjeev,
I second Dilip in saying that the pictures are good because
they were taken by a top notch camera and cameraman.
That being said,what it brings to mind, to us Goan expats ,
is the hardship and poverty which does not seem to leave the most
unfortunate of fellow Goans. Us all expats have conquered mountains,
started companies, achieved in medicine, written books, held top notch
civil service positions etc. etc. but have not been able to change the
daily lives of most Goans for the better. This is because, the people
in leadership locally, are corrupt, have a get rich at all costs
mentality, no matter what the cost to the rest of society or
environment is, and have not worked to better the fortunes of the
common masses.
Instead they have tried to keep the Goan people, ignorant by
forcing them to study in Konkani in elementary school and by the time
they get to middle and high school they are already left behind. Their
education is only good to keep alive in the villages. This makes for
a uneducated populace that cannot challenge corruption and instead,
embrace it at all levels, pandering to the greed of those in
leadership. This attitude has permeated into every segment of our Goan
society, and now it is a free for all, of dog eat dog. Some of this
has been brought about, by us Goan expats, flashing our foreign
exchange and making people who do not have, feel envious, and in order
to keep up with the Joneses, more able to be open minded about being
dishonest.
I commend the few good souls, in Goa, who work tirelessly
for the betterment of Goan Society, against unsurmountable odds.
With the amount of Goan talent involved, making the world a
better place for the last few hundred years, it comes at a great
surprise that we Goans, outperform on a world stage but are outclassed
at home.
I enjoyed you pictures Sanjeev, and I hope you continue to
expose the ills of society through your lens. I, like Dilip, am very
pained by the reflection of what those images mean....that the
hardship of the Goan people has not changed in the 30 odd years of my
absence.
Regards
Chris D
[email protected]
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From: dilip dacruz <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <saligao-
[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 5:12:26 AM
Subject: RE: [SALIGAONET] The Goa that is fast getting into
History !
Hi Sanjeev. These are beautiful photographs indeed, but I DO
look forward to the Goa they capture rapidly disappearing into
history. The wizened face, the worn out slippers, the ancient worn-out
bicycle, the sheer hardship of life that the pictures capture - there
is nothing beautiful about hardship and poverty.
I guess the beauty of the pics is that they capture the
unbeautiful beautifully?
[email protected]
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SALIGAONET] The Goa that is fast getting into
History !
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:16:49 +0530
I am sure most Saligaonetters will relate to these pictures.
Sanjeev
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