Because that is pretty manual. Right now I'm scripting the generation of the textfile and can script a restart of the service. Will the import wipe out stats as well? If so, then I might want to go down the road of scripting something that would pretend to use the import option of the file menu through the GUI. Otherwise this is a step backwards.
Furthermore, what is the format of the file that you import using this method? Is it exactly the same as the config file that is saved to disk? Thanks for the response Dirk. Anything further on some of the other points made in this thread that only SA folks can answer? Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Bulinckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:33:52 +0200 > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Why not use the import option (of the edit menu)? > Create a textfile with the hostname(s) (one per line), select that hostfile > in the import screen, select the template entries (click in the checkbox), > select "no delimiter" and click import.... > > > Dirk. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Tim A > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > We are typically always adding stuff in bulk. With the amount of entries we > are adding it is not feasible to do it manually. The > entries are typically very similar for each site so I have a template which > generates a bunch of entries that get tacked onto > the hosts file. > > I will try editing from the console to see the difference. > > Not too concerned about "stateful" if I understand what you are referring > to. I'm more interested in having a history of stats > to show % UP/DOWN which we output via HTML. Easy to identify potential > problem sites when you have so many being monitored. > Couldn't care much about when SA is down as I'm trying to come up with a > method of adding new entries without taking it down and > therefore in theory it would remain up all the time. > > I'll still need to pull data from the database anyway to get more detailed > reporting on whatever we like but would be nice to > have it via HTML without re-inventing the wheel. > > We have sites that are continuously coming online that we would like to > monitor. I'd rather not have a scheduled time period for > adding but would rather just add as soon as they come online which could be > at anytime during the day. The sooner we start > monitoring these sites the better. Without going into detail, our business > is such that this will continue for some time to come > so I need a best case solution and some awareness from SA folks that this is > something some heavy users are going to be > interested in. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:20:40 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > A lot of the answers are in the list archive... > > > > If you are adding entries via the GUI you do not need to restart. The > only > > time I add/change via the hosts file(it is an unsupported method) is when > > I'm doing it in bulk. > > > > When you use TS you are running a separate instance of the desktop. > > Starting SA in this case is starting a new application. The service is > > still running on the console. You can edit via the gui from the console, > > using TS on Win2k3 with the /console switch, or use something like VNC > that > > show the actual console not a remote desktop. > > > > The question about "stateful" statistics comes up a lot but I don't see > the > > value in it. What should SA do with the missing time periods? If the > state > > is kept from the last check cycle(assume up) and after the restart it is > > down should SA assume that it was up the entire time SA was offline? It's > a > > tricky question that I don't think anyone has a clear answer for. Dirk > may > > have more ideas. > > > > What kind of statistics reporting are you looking for? System uptime? # > of > > cycles up or down? When I need reports I usually pull the data from the > log > > files or the database entries. Jack > > Lyons(http://www.lyonsonline.net/jack/Projects/) has some scripts that > might > > help. > > > > What are you doing that you add so many entries a day? Is it possible to > > schedule the additions at midnight so there is one restart and you have > 23+ > > hours of statistics? At least it would provide a consistent set of > numbers. > > Will this be continuous or just while it's being set up? > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > Of Tim A > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:53 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > > > Understood on the making changes and restarting from scratch. Are there > any > > plans for a future version of SA to pickup where it left off by storing > the > > stats or using the stats that are dumped to a database?? As it is now, > this > > isn't really useful when adding new entries continuously so I'm likely > going > > to have to write all my own stuff for generating useful stats from the > > database output. > > > > And yes, I'm running the GUI through a Terminal Services session. What is > > the correct method then of having a running service of SA and being able > to > > make manual changes through the GUI or at least see the status of things > as > > the service sees them? Is it best to create a user that the service runs > > under and then also login (not through terminal services) to run the GUI. > > NOTE, we do make some minor changes through the GUI but since we are > adding > > approx 15 entries per day semi-automated it doesn't make much sense to use > > the GUI for that. > > > > Tim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kevin Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:10:27 -0400 > > > Subject: RE: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > You must restart SA for it to recognize the changes or load via the > > > menu or telnet the host file. In any case it has the same effect, you > > > will be starting from zero as far as status and statistics are > concerned. > > > Restarting the service works exactly as expected on my system. > > > > > > It sounds like you are running two instances of SA. Are you doing > > > this through Terminal Services? If so you are starting a separate > > > application instance of SA and not using the service instance. > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Tim A > > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:49 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [SA-list] adding entries to SAlive > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I'm attempting to add entries to Servers Alive externally from the > > > GUI. I don't know if this is the best way of doing it but I'm adding > > > lines to the .txt config file that Servers Alive uses and that works > > > well except for Servers Alive not recognizing the new entries until > > > the service is restarted. The issue there is that once the service is > > > restarted all stats are wiped out and things start from scratch. Also, > > > it seems that the SA service needs to be stopped completely and then > > > started again rather than using the "restart service". At least it seems > > to me when "restart service" > > > is used it doesn't recognize the changes to the .txt file. > > > > > > So, is there some way of getting servers alive to recognize changes to > > > the config file without a restart? Or is there a better way of adding > > > entries programmatically outside of the GUI? > > > > > > On another note, there seems to be a disconnect between the instance > > > of SA running as a service and an instance started via GUI. > > > Is this normal or is there some way to have these interact together as > > > one would expect? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Tim > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > With the following in the body of the message: > > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > With the following in the body of the message: > > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] With > > the following in the body of the message: > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > With the following in the body of the message: > > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > ------------------------- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > With the following in the body of the message: > unsubscribe SAlive > > > > > ------------------------- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > With the following in the body of the message: > unsubscribe SAlive > ------------------------- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] To unsubscribe from a list, send a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] With the following in the body of the message: unsubscribe SAlive
