At 12:02 pm +0100 15/4/99, Aley Keprt wrote:
[Aley - please attribute the messages!! Andrew Collier wrote:]

>> Nothing in that quote says it is illegal to deprotect software that you
>> have bought.
>
>Why not? Where is written than you can deprotect the software you have
>bought?

I didn't say it was - just that the source Chris quoted didn't say what he
said it said.

However, I know you are allowed to make modifications[1]. Deprotection
then, is probably just another generic modification - unless it is
specifically mentioned somewhere else, but I haven't seen that.

>Some authors sell two different versions (tape & disk) of ZXS programs. And
>the tape versions are protected, so if anyone buy a disk drive, he must buy
>a new version (tape to disk upgrade) of the software. I think he cannot
>simply make and use software which will depretect the tape and copy it to
>the disk.

Well I think you're wrong, otherwise (for example) the Multiface would be
completely illegal. In fact, they were allowed to keep selling it[1]
provided they emphasised that it was not to be used for piracy.

>> It's fuzzy, but it probably isn't illegal to deprotect software even which
>> you haven't bought, although downloading it in the first place probably
>was
>> illegal.
>
>It is illegal to do anything with the software you don't own!

On exactly what basis do you say that? I don't know of legislation for this
case.[1]

Given that it is illegal to have acquired a copy of the software, what you
do with it afterwards is probably less important[1]. Though, you might
perhaps be charged with Handling Stolen Goods.

>> >So if a disk has not standard form of information , and anyone but the
>> >copyright owner creates a program to read this they have broken copyright
>> >law?
>>
>> No, it is not illegal to create the program. It is only illegal to
>> distribute it.
>
>I think it IS illegal.

And I KNOW that it is not.[1]

>Again, you cannot make the copies of any software.

No, that is just wrong.[1]

>That's the problem of old software on tapes. How can it alive, when we
>cannot make the backups?

Pardon?

>p.s. Copyright laws can be a bit different in some countries (e.g. Cuba,
>China, Polland)

Oh yes, I am quite well aware of that thankyou. That's exactly why I've
been saying *all through this thread* that my comments refer to the UK only
and won't be valid in other countries with different laws.

Andrew

[1] In the UK.

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