> >your are not aloud to create a copy of anything , without the copyright
> >owners permission.
>
> That's wrong, or at least, wrong in England (I think).
>
> Most of the things you'll find in the average software license agreement
> are unenforcable in the UK. It's protection by intimidation, the software
> company says "you may not do this, that or the other" and hopes that most
> people believe them, and don't it. But they also say "this does not affect
> your statutory rights", because they are not allowed to reduce the
> consumer's rights below a certain minimum threshold as defined by UK law.

If you agree to a aggreement of any kind , (even if printed on back of
software) you are bound by that aggreement. Take MR MICKEYSOFT , you have to
open the box of Windows Nt 4.0 to read the EULA , at which point it tells
you that once you have opened this package you have aggreed to said EULA.
But then you will find the software inside another sealled package!

> I'm almost certain that threshold includes making (but, of course, not
> distributing) backup copies. I'm absolutely certain it includes
> reverse-engineering and modifying the software, which is another thing
> these "end-user license agreements" tend to disallow. They might therefore
> try to argue that by doing any of this you are in breach of your
agreement,
> but since you haven't signed anything there's no danger there either.

You are only alloud to use the item in the manner that it was desgined for ,
there is a consumer law from 1971 that states QUOTE - " You are entitled to
a full refund , if said item does not perform the task that it was original
purchase to do" , So you should never have to reverse-engineer/modify or
copy as if it fails in work or opertate as expected you just get your cash
back?

> A major distinction between the UK and the US, is that when a UK consumer
> buys a piece of software, he owns that copy of the program - wheras a US
> consumer merely owns a license to use that software (under just about
> whatever terms the software producer sees fit).
>

MR MICKEYSOFT , here would agree as his EULA , states this . But as a
consumer you must use the product only as it has been sold to you and in the
form it was sold to you. Big for instance , if you modfied a piece of
software and then sold you machine (With all software as required by law) ,
then said modified software cause damage to machine who is liable?

>
> > Having a backup of a disk thats not used for illegal
> >purposes , is like have a gun and NEVER thinks of firing it (Pointless)
>
> Invalid analogy. You've never ever had a corrupted disk then?

Yes i have and i have got a Full Replacement from the Publisher , Take my
current cause , Roller Coaster Tycoon has a BIG problem with Daylight saving
time , and I am supposed to DLOAD/Buy a Mag with fix on it , But I will not
and have sent back to Publisher for a Correct Version , as its fawed.

> If it doesn't actually involve much effort, I will usually make a backup
of
> anything I buy. That way, if my Sam decides to chew up my disk, I don't
> have to spend more money on buying the same program twice. Sometimes I
will
> remove protection, like the one on SamPaint which just became tedious
after
> a while (and actually only took me about 90 seconds to remove).

Then if SAY, some else took a copy of you unprotect version without out your
consent you have help reduce money going to the author

> But I don't distribute the copies.

Glad to here it

> Andrew


Like i said before , this is my current grip with current employer about
copyright of MY Code ,  when I have finished and HE wants it ALL (NO WAY
MAN)

Chris



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