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Today's Topics:
1. Re: onj?- (Karthikeyan Madathil)
2. Re: on j?- (Vidhyanath Rao)
3. sanskrit documents in utf-8 encoding (Shree Devi Kumar)
4. Re: sanskrit documents in utf-8 encoding (Shree Devi Kumar)
5. Re:_[Sanskrit]__on_jñ-_ (Malolan Cadambi)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:24:40 +0530 (IST)
From: Karthikeyan Madathil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] onj?-
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>> I have seen various pronunciations of the jñ- consonant cluster. For
Most malayalis pronounce it j~n, as it is written (the malayalam character
for this is simply a conjunct j+~n) . I've heard gn in Karnataka.
Regards,
Karthik
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Karthikeyan Madathil
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:50:38 -0400
From: "Vidhyanath Rao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] on j?-
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"Mitchell Ginsberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have seen various pronunciations of the jñ- consonant cluster.
> For example, some Punjabi friends > pronounce it as gy-:
> I have also heard it pronounced ny-.
In Prakrits, the cluster became simplified to just ñ [which is how
jñaana is written and pronounced in Tamil, for example]. BTW, This sound
also occurs in Spanish. Dialectically, ñ is pronounced with imperfect
contact, which makes it basically a nasalized y. These unfamiliar with
the sound hear it as ny. [Anglophones pronounce ñ in Spanish as ny,
too.]
[when I say ny, the tongue tip touches my teeth, but when I say ñaanam,
the top, flat surface of the tongue touches the palate.]
The trouble with jñ is that j is not a stop and trying to put that with
a stop is too hard for me. I can manage it in careful enunciation, but
fast talk is another matter.
---
Responding to another post: in Tamil, raama would never be used. It
would have to be raaman or raamar. When people try to say it the way the
stem (raama is not a >word< in Sanskrit either) is written in English,
they end up saying raamaa. I don't know if this is an imitation of the
way (monolingual) Anglophones say it. It is really strange when you
think about it: In Sanskrit classes, people had trouble with consonant
clusters, but not with verbs ending in -ta (i.e., they did not elongate
that word final -a).
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shree Devi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] sanskrit documents in utf-8 encoding
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namaste,
Please see http://sanskrit/gde.to/all_sa/ for the
unicode version of sanskrit documents collection. The
.itx files were converted using ITRANS 5.3.
I am also trying to make a list of OS and browsers on
which the unicode pages in devanagari are visible OK.
I would appreciate if you would let me know your
feedback so that I can add a help page for the
documents.
Also, please see http://hi.wikipedia.org/ which has a
start of a Hindi Wikipedia - free encyclopedia. These
pages are also in uniocde. Hindi enthusiasts are
welcome to add to the pages. Wikis are collobarative
effort and I hope that people on this list will take a
few minutes to visit the pages as well as add to the
collection.
Thanks,
Shree
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:05:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shree Devi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit documents in utf-8 encoding
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The URL in my earlier email was incorrect. The correct
URL is http://sanskrit.gde.to/all_sa/
Shree
--- Shree Devi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> namaste,
>
> Please see http://sanskrit/gde.to/all_sa/ for the
> unicode version of sanskrit documents collection.
> The
> .itx files were converted using ITRANS 5.3.
>
> I am also trying to make a list of OS and browsers
> on
> which the unicode pages in devanagari are visible
> OK.
> I would appreciate if you would let me know your
> feedback so that I can add a help page for the
> documents.
>
> Also, please see http://hi.wikipedia.org/ which has
> a
> start of a Hindi Wikipedia - free encyclopedia.
> These
> pages are also in uniocde. Hindi enthusiasts are
> welcome to add to the pages. Wikis are collobarative
> effort and I hope that people on this list will take
> a
> few minutes to visit the pages as well as add to the
> collection.
>
> Thanks,
> Shree
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:48:23 +0100 (BST)
From: Malolan Cadambi<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:_[Sanskrit]__on_jñ-_
To: Vidhyanath Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Responding to another post: in Tamil, raama would never be used.
> It
> would have to be raaman or raamar.
iRama is used. Example: kArpar iRamapiranai allal marrum kaRparo -
Thiruvaymozhi of Nammalwar.
"kaRpaar iraama piraanaiyallaalmaRRum kaRparO?,
puRpaa muthalaap pulleRum paathiyon RinRiyE,
naRpaal ayOththiyil vaazum charaacharam muRRavum,
naRpaaluk kuyththanan naanmuka Nnaar_peRRa naattuLE. " -
Thiruvaymozhi 7.5.1
Regards,
Malolan Cadambi
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