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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 13, Issue 10 (J. K. Mohana Rao)
   2. Re: sanskrit Digest: Labials (Michael Witzel)
   3. Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: urgent help] (peekayar)
   4. diSTyaa (Desiraju Hanumanta Rao)
   5. passive vs karmaNi prayoga (Desiraju Hanumanta Rao)
   6. more on diSTyA (peekayar)
   7. Govt On line Library (Desiraju Hanumanta Rao)
   8. Sisupalavadha 13:36 (Phillip Ernest)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:47:58 -0400
From: "J. K. Mohana Rao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 13, Issue 10
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > I am looking for any work done in Sanskrit, I believe Dandi has done some, which 
> > has verses or poems or chants which contain all text which is spoken without 
> > touching the Lips at all such as done for laters m and p.

I have examples for such nirOshThya poems in Telugu.  In
fact, I myself tried one or two.  I have to look for examples in
Sanskrit.  I'll post if I come across any.

Regards!  -  J K  Mohana  Rao



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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:28:25 -0400
From: Michael Witzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit Digest: Labials
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The work without  p/ph etc.  is one chapter in the Da'sakumaaracarita :

One of the princes involved had engaged in heavy Kamasutra-like sports 
the night before (got his lips bitten) and consequently could not 
pronounce any labials the next day.

I can attest the correctness of above  ---  though, after an operation 
:-)

MW


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>> I am looking for any work done in Sanskrit, I believe Dandi has done 
>> some, which has verses or poems or chants which contain all text 
>> which is spoken without touching the Lips at all such as done for 
>> laters m and p.
> What kind of work are you looking for?
> I am forwarding your request to sanskrit mailing list.
> Let's hope somebody helps.
> - Sai.
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Michael Witzel
Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University
1 Bow Street , Cambridge MA 02138
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The most famous works in prose form are 
Kadambari of Bana and Dasakumaracharitam
of Dandi.  So the entire story is in prose form. 
I do not now which of the kumaras is telling this stroy without pavarga.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks again. And question: Was the story told in a poem form? And, do you know which 
of the ten child was it?

Regards.
neel kulkarni
www.authenticyoga.org


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> From: peekayar 

> To: Sai , sanskrit digest 
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> When I was learning Sanskrit some 65 years ago
> my father used to tell me that Dandi's Dasakumaracharitam is the story of ten 
> princes who went in different directions and when they 
> returned they were narrating their stories.
> One of them lost his lips and his narration
> is without any letter from pavarga (no labial).It is 
> in prose. I had no opportunity to see this book. 
                
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:56:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Desiraju Hanumanta Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] diSTyaa
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Quoting Phillip Ernest phillip.ernest at utoronto.ca 
 
It is not a problem Phillip - diSTyaa -  is an exclamation - see Apte: 
search `diSTyaa' in `Apte Dic' meanings of "diSTyaa" ind. [strictly the instr. sing. 
of diSTi] 1.fortunately (an exclamation of joy or gratulation] 
 
Also see Rmn aranya 10th - diSTyaa raamaH cirasya adya draSTum maam samupaagataH || 
3-12-10 - Rama providentially came to see me... 
 
oh, god, God’s will - will do; but we, providentially, tend to extend.
dhrao




                
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:27:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Sanskrit] passive vs karmaNi prayoga
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A small difference between English passive
and Sanskrit's usual karmaNi prayoga may be
observed. As Ramakrishna says about two kinds
of transls -  first bring transl to literal, then make
it an idomatic one - [in between them that transl 
may go idiotically at times...] but communicate 
the core idea than the nuances of language
as such - all transl are approximations.
 
dhrao

                
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:33:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] more on diSTyA
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>From Bhagavata
Canto 3 Part 2  Shloka 6
 
diSTyA me bhagavAn dR^irSTo
durdarsho yo.a'kR^irtAtmanAm.
diSTyA pada-rajaH spR^irSTaM
shiirSNA me bhavataH shivam..
 
It is my good fortune that I have
been able to see you, for you 
cannot easily be seen by persons 
who have not subdued the mind 
or controlled the senses. I am all
the more fortunate to have
touched with my head the
blessed dust of your feet.
 
P.K.Ramakrishnan





                
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:59:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Desiraju Hanumanta Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Govt On line Library
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Here  is a Govt on line library in which Ketanamaatya's danDi dasha kumara charita is 
there > http://www.dli.gov.in/ULIB/web/browse.pl?prefix=CDE&field=TITLE  <
The apearance of book list is there but the apperance of pages of books is - diSTyaa - 
based. Of course, these books are mostly in Telugu - try them 
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:33:56 -0400
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Subject: [Sanskrit] Sisupalavadha 13:36
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Hi guys.

Sisupalavadha 13:36:

adhiruuDhayaa nijaniketamuccakaiH pavanaavadhuutavasanaantayaikayaa|
vihitopazobhamupayaati maadhave nagaraM vyarocata pataakayeva tat||

seems to me to mean something like this:

'As Madhava approached, the city was adorned, as if by a pennon, by a certain 
girl who had mounted her own tall house, where the wind made the edges of her 
dress tremble.'

I found Mallinatha's commentary a bit hard to understand at first, and 
originally took the verb to be impersonal, because of where Mallinatha 
positions the phrase upayaati maadhave in the commentary.  I thought that he 
must mean that nagaraM is the object of upayaati.  But I think that nagaraM is 
actually the subject of the verb.  I hope I am not wrong.

Phillip 

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