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Today's Topics:
1. Re: vaagdevii vandanaa (peekayar)
2. Re: vaagdevii vandanaa (peekayar)
3. chhandas of "dorbhiryuktaa..." (A. R. Srikrishnan)
4. Humour in grammer 12. (peekayar)
5. Re: Meaning of dorbhiH... (A. R. Srikrishnan)
6. Re: vaagdevii vandanaa (Vis Tekumalla)
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] vaagdevii vandanaa
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The full shloka appears to be now -
dorbhiryuktaa chaturbhisphuTamaNisayutAmakSamaalaaM dadhAnA
hastenaikena padmaM shukamapi cha kare pustakaM chaapareNa.
bhAsAku.nde.ndusha.nkhasphaTikamaNinibhA bhasamAnA samAnA |
devii vaagdevateyaM nivasatu vadane sarvadaa suprasannaa
The chandas is sragdhra, the definition of which is
mrabhnaiyANAM trayeNa trimuniyatiyutA
sragdharA kIrtiteyam
The ganas are - MA RA BHA NA YA YA YA
yatis at 7, 7 and 7.
Example of this is the fristl shloka of Sakuntalam
yA sriStisraSTurAdyA etc.
PKR
Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Can you please enlighten me on the chhandas of this
Sloka?
If you give the rules also, that'd be even better.
- Sai.
peekayar uvaacha:
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> dorbhiryuktaa chaturbhi-sphuTamaNisayutAmakSamaalaaM dadhAnA
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> hastenaikena padmaM shukamapi cha kare pustakaM chaapareNa.
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> devii vaagdevateyaM nivasatu vadane sarvadaa suprasannaa..
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> Can someone supply the missing third line which I have forgotten?
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> Also can someone give the stem of the word dorbhiH,
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> its declensions and meaning.
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> Thanks in advance.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:23:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] vaagdevii vandanaa
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Yati in prosody (Chandas) means a pause.
The definition of yati is �
yatirjihveSTavishrAmasthAnaM kavibhiruchyate /
sA vichChedavirAmAdyaiH padairvAchyA nijechChayA
In the Chandas mentioned the yati positions are 7, 7 and 7.
Take the lines one by one and when you recite it in 7s
it is
dorbhiryuktaa chaturbhih -sphuTamaNisayutAM -akSamaalaaM dadhAnA
hastenaikena padmaM - shukamapi cha kare -pustakaM chaapareNa.
bhAsAku.nde.ndusha.nkha-sphaTikamaNinibhA -bhasamAnA samAnA
devii vaagdevateyaM - nivasatu vadane - sarvadaa suprasannaa
All in strips of 7.
If we rephrase the portion
shukamapi cha kareNa pustakaM chaapare.
Instead of 7 + 7 it becomes 8 + 6.
This is called yatibhanga and is not allowed.
Here kareNa is one word but it falls in two strips.
anuSTubh which has 8 syllables does not a have yati.
So we can say -indIvaradalashyAmam.
But there is another meter of 8 syllables called
gajagati which has got yatis at 4, 4.
ravisutA-parisare viharato dR^ishi hareH /
vrajavadhU-gajapatir mudamalaM vyatanuta //
There are four other meters of 8 syllables with
yatis at 4 and 4.
Shall be glad to give more information to the extent I can.
Once you had raised a doubt about the definition of shloka or anuSTubh. If you still
want a clarification of this I shall make a separate posting.
PKR
Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yatis at 7, 7 and 7.
Can you tell me what the yati rule means and how it applies in this
Sloka?
- Sai.
peekayar uvaacha:
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> The full shloka appears to be now -
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> dorbhiryuktaa chaturbhisphuTamaNisayutAmakSamaalaaM dadhAnA
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> hastenaikena padmaM shukamapi cha kare pustakaM chaapareNa.
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> bhAsAku.nde.ndusha.nkhasphaTikamaNinibhA bhasamAnA samAnA |
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> devii vaagdevateyaM nivasatu vadane sarvadaa suprasannaa
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:05:08 +0530
From: "A. R. Srikrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] chhandas of "dorbhiryuktaa..."
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>Can you please enlighten me on the chhandas of this Sloka?
>If you give the rules also, that'd be even better.
>- Sai.
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>peekayar uvaacha:
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>>dorbhiryuktaa chaturbhi-sphuTamaNisayutAmakSamaalaaM dadhAnA
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>>hastenaikena padmaM shukamapi cha kare pustakaM chaapareNa.
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The vR^itta is sragdhara, belonging (I think) to the "prakR^iti " chhandas.
The rule (order of gaNa) of sragdhara is: ma-ra-bha-na-ya-ya-ya (with
21 letters per paada)
Thanks !
Srikrishnan
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:59:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Humour in grammer 12.
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There was a poet in Kerala called Tolan. He was a witty person. When he started
learning Sanskrit he was told how to write verses. Anvaya means rearrangement of
words in prose order to get the correct meaning. He was also told that letters like
ch, vai, tu and hi can be used to complete a paada of a verse, but they do not have
any meaning.
He was a nimiSakavi. He then composed the following verse.
utthiSThotthiSTha rAjendra! mukhaM prakSAlayasva TaH /
eSa Ahvayate kukku
cha vai tu hi cha vai tu hi.
AnvayaH -
(he) rAjendra!
utthiSTha utthiSTha.
mukhaM prakSAlayasva.
eSa kukkuTaH Ahvayate.
cha vai tu hi cha vai tu hi.
paadapuuraNartham
PKR
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:59:46 +0530
From: "A. R. Srikrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Meaning of dorbhiH...
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Phillip Ernest wrote:
>Quoting "A. R. Srikrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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>> dorbhiH is the tR^itiiyaa bahuvacanam of "doH" meaning, hand.
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>Is doH not more often translated in commentaries with baahu? I came across it
>recently in Kalidasa and Sitarama did not translate it with hasta, to my
>recollection.
>
>Phillip
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>
I do agree. "hand" is an inaccurate translation for doH -
its bad English from my side ! (arm/forearm suits better, as pointed
out by Sri peekayar).
Thanks....
Srikrishnan
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] vaagdevii vandanaa
To: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, sanskrit
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In the popular Tyagaraja song that defines a what a musical composition is, "sogasuga
mridanga taalamu" in Shriranjani, the phrase "yati vishrama sadbhakti" appears. we
know vishrama means pause/rest. Does the word "yati" that precedes it qualify the type
of vishrama - may be - rythmic pause? Here is that charanam (I may not have put it
down perfectly):
yati vishrama sadbhakti virati drAkShArasa navarasayuta
kR^itiche bhajiyinche yukti tyAgarAjuni taramA shrI rAma
peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yati in prosody (Chandas) means a pause.
The definition of yati is �
yatirjihveSTavishrAmasthAnaM kavibhiruchyate /
sA vichChedavirAmAdyaiH padairvAchyA nijechChayA
In the Chandas mentioned the yati positions are 7, 7 and 7.
Take the lines one by one and when you recite it in 7s
it is
dorbhiryuktaa chaturbhih -sphuTamaNisayutAM -akSamaalaaM dadhAnA
hastenaikena padmaM - shukamapi cha kare -pustakaM chaapareNa.
bhAsAku.nde.ndusha.nkha-sphaTikamaNinibhA -bhasamAnA samAnA
devii vaagdevateyaM - nivasatu vadane - sarvadaa suprasannaa
All in strips of 7.
If we rephrase the portion
shukamapi cha kareNa pustakaM chaapare.
Instead of 7 + 7 it becomes 8 + 6.
This is called yatibhanga and is not allowed.
Here kareNa is one word but it falls in two strips.
anuSTubh which has 8 syllables does not a have yati.
So we can say -indIvaradalashyAmam.
But there is another meter of 8 syllables called
gajagati which has got yatis at 4, 4.
ravisutA-parisare viharato dR^ishi hareH /
vrajavadhU-gajapatir mudamalaM vyatanuta //
There are four other meters of 8 syllables with
yatis at 4 and 4.
Shall be glad to give more information to the extent I can.
Once you had raised a doubt about the definition of shloka or anuSTubh. If you still
want a clarification of this I shall make a separate posting.
PKR
Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yatis at 7, 7 and 7.
Can you tell me what the yati rule means and how it applies in this
Sloka?
- Sai.
peekayar uvaacha:
>
> The full shloka appears to be now -
>
> dorbhiryuktaa chaturbhisphuTamaNisayutAmakSamaalaaM dadhAnA
>
> hastenaikena padmaM shukamapi cha kare pustakaM chaapareNa.
>
>
>
> bhAsAku.nde.ndusha.nkhasphaTikamaNinibhA bhasamAnA samAnA |
>
> devii vaagdevateyaM nivasatu vadane sarvadaa suprasannaa
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