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Today's Topics:
1. saundarya laharI chhandas (Sai)
2. nAgabhUshhaNe shete vishhNuH (Jay Vaidya)
3. RE: saundarya laharI chhandas (Haresh Bakshi)
4. Re: saundarya laharI - shikhariNI (Sai)
5. udyoga 15-24 (Desiraju Hanumanta Rao)
6. Quiz # 19 (Vis Tekumalla)
7. Re: saundarya laharI - shikhariNI (Haresh Bakshi)
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Message: 1
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Subject: [Sanskrit] saundarya laharI chhandas
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Can somebody tell me the chhandas of saundarya laharI Slokas?
They all seem to belong to the same chhandas.
- Sai.
It sounds like
janasthAne bhrAntam kanaka mR^iga tR^iShNAndhita dhiyA
1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
Why the discrepancy in the first paadam?
- Sai.
shivaH shaktyaa yukto yadi bhavati shaktaH prabhavitu.n
1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
na cedeva.n devo na khalu kushalaH spanditumapi .
1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1
atastvaamaaraadhyaaM hariharaviri~ncaadibhirapi
12 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1
praNantuM stotuM vaa kathamakR^itapuNyaH prabhavati
1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:15:18 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Sanskrit] nAgabhUshhaNe shete vishhNuH
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dhr gaaru writes:
(regarding naagabhuuSaNashaayi)
>
> why not - naagaanam bhuuSaNaH naagabhuuSaNa,
> aadi sheSasya, yamin saH shete tad vishNuH -
> pl confirm - dhanaMjaya and Sai --
Please clarify: What pratyaya does the final -i come
from?
The usual expectation in such situations is the
following :
The pANinIya sUtra 3.2.78
supyajAtau NinistAchchhIlye |
"A dhAtu to be joined to a conjugated 'noun' gets the
Nini pratyaya if it refers to someone who habitually
performs that action, except if it is the name of a
class."
(Nini would not be allowed to create a general term
for all persons who habitually sleep on snakes; only
for a specific one, say vishhNu, who sleeps on a
snake.)
The detailed etymology (with pratyaya and related
changes follows:
(1) nAgAnA.m bhUshhaNam = nAgabhUshhaNam (tatpurushha
samAsa from pA sU 2.2.8 "shhashhThI")
(2)nAgabhUshhaNe shete iti saH (pA sU 3.2.78 above,
tAchchhIlye Nini)
= he sleeps on the nAgabhUshhaNa (that is his habit)
The kR^idanta pratyaya Nini : 'N' causing vR^iddhi in
the dhAtu, the final 'i' is for pronunciation.
(3) nAgabhUshhaNe shI(the dhAtu)+Nini
= nAgabhUshhaNa+shai(vR^iddhi caused by 'N')+ in
(vR^iddhi caused by 'N', pA sU 7.2.115 acho JNNiti |)
= nAgabhUshhaNe shAyin = nAgabhUshhaNashAyin
( sandhi using pA sU 6.1.78 echo.ayavAyAvaH |
Compulsory tatpurushha samAsa by pA sU 2.2.19
upapadamatiN^ |)
(has to be conjugated as nAgabhUshhaNashAyI,
nAgabhUshhaNashAyinau, etc. , by context)
I could not find a similar possibility for the -i
ending.
dhana.njayaH
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:13:46 -0400
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namaste, it is shikhariNI: 17 syllables, yati 6, 11.
Regards,
Haresh.
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>Can somebody tell me the chhandas of saundarya laharI Slokas?
>They all seem to belong to the same chhandas.
>- Sai.
>
>It sounds like
>janasthAne bhrAntam kanaka mR^iga tR^iShNAndhita dhiyA
>1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
>
>Why the discrepancy in the first paadam?
>- Sai.
>
>shivaH shaktyaa yukto yadi bhavati shaktaH prabhavitu.n
>1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
> na cedeva.n devo na khalu kushalaH spanditumapi .
> 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1
>atastvaamaaraadhyaaM hariharaviri~ncaadibhirapi
>12 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1
> praNantuM stotuM vaa kathamakR^itapuNyaH prabhavati
> 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:50:04 -0600
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Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] saundarya laharI - shikhariNI
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Haresh Bakshi uvaacha:
> namaste, it is shikhariNI: 17 syllables, yati 6, 11.
My questions:
1. Could you tell me the lakShaNa of SikhariNI?
It seems to be
ya ma na sa bha la ga
2. But the last syllable in pAdams 2, 3 and 4 is a laghu (guru in pAdam 1)
Is it left unspecified?
3. Also, I can see a Sikhara-like formation in the mAtra counts:
1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
#mAtras 11 5 4 3 2
Is this why it's called SikhariNI?
* *
* * *
* * * *
* * * * *
* * * * * * * * * * *
or is it my imagination run amuck? :-)
4. Does anybody have the vR^itta ratnAkara book? If so, could you tell
me how the book is organized? Are they arranged in some order?
How do I quickly locate a particular vR^itta?
I can't find an index.
- Sai.
Haresh Bakshi uvaacha:
> namaste, it is shikhariNI: 17 syllables, yati 6, 11.
>
>It sounds like
> janasthAne bhrAntam kanaka mR^iga tR^iShNAndhita dhiyA
> 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
>
> Why the discrepancy in the first paadam?
> - Sai.
>
> shivaH shaktyaa yukto yadi bhavati shaktaH prabhavitu.n
> 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
> na cedeva.n devo na khalu kushalaH spanditumapi .
> 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1
> atastvaamaaraadhyaaM hariharaviri~ncaadibhirapi
> 12 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1
> praNantuM stotuM vaa kathamakR^itapuNyaH prabhavati
> 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:04:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Sanskrit] udyoga 15-24
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Sai-
eShaH narAdhamaH chira.n gataH. na hi eShaH sthAsyati.
shubhe maharShINA.n vAhanAt cha adharmaGYaH hataH -
This anvya kramam is done nowadays or
Sri Santurkar gave it, by way of ellipting eSa and
retaining cha-s.
suggestion subject to posibility:
Would you mind to take some more pain to include
SrI Vikrama Santurkar's Sanskrit order and wording
in pratipadaartha; using double = = something like -
eShaH= iyam = this one;narAdhamaH=naraNaam
athamh= nean fellow; etc, as you have
once done to some verses. Do this only if your time
and energy permit, then it will be a great recording
of an otherwise unavailable work.
The positioning of 'hi' in anvaya seems to be irksome
It may be - eShaH na sthAsyati, hi; or adharmaGYaH
hataH, hi - this indeed - for us comes last. Stress
on a definite statement - pl check up.
dhr
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Please send me your answers by Sunday, July 18. I will post the consolidated answers
on July 19. Thank you.
Translate into Sanskrit
1. Before the bridegroom�s party arrives, Maalati must go to the temple to make a
ritual offering to goddess Gouri for continuous good luck in her marriage.
2. Seize his clothes, arrest him and his mistress, and tie him up with chains, while I
call his wife.
3. Please complete with your own fourth line:
ko hi bhAraH samarthAnA.m
kim dUra.m vyavasAyinAm |
ko videshaH suvidyAnA.m
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Translate into English:
4. jAlamArgeNa pashyamaH.
5. kim atrabhavati mayA pariNita pUrvA?
6. madamUrkhatAbhimAnI duShkulataishvarya sa.myukttaH.
soyamanUDhAbhrAtA rA~jaH shAlaH shakAra ityukttaH..
7. shlokaH (samskR^ite likhan.tu kR^ipayA etasya shlokasya tAtparya.m)
shUnyepi guNavattAmAtanvAnaH svakIyaguNajAlaiH.
vivarANi mudrayandrAgUrNAyuriva sajjano jayati..
Fun Questions
8. kena likhita mahAbhArataH? (Mahabharata was written by who?)
9. Is this Sanskrit sentence correct? Please explain your answer.
tataH pravishati aru.ndhatI kaushalyA ka~nchukI cha |
10. eShAm paurANa strIpuruShANAm mAtarapitarau kau? (Who are the parents of the
following men and women of puraana stories?)
(a) draupadI
(b) subhadrA
(c) shuka mahaR^ishi
(d) mArIcha (rAmAyaNe mAyAmR^igaH)
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:22:38 -0400
From: "Haresh Bakshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] saundarya laharI - shikhariNI
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>>>>1. Could you tell me the lakShaNa of SikhariNI? It seems to be ya ma na
>>>>sa bha la ga >>>>
Yes.
>>>>2. But the last syllable in pAdams 2, 3 and 4 is a laghu (guru in pAdam
>>>>1)
> Is it left unspecified? >>>>
The formula: ra.sai ru.draish.chhinnaa ya.ma.na.sa.bha.laa.gaH shikhariNI
| [yati 6, 11]
It is sama vR^ittaH, and aksharamela, regulated by the number of syllables
(here, 17).
>>>>3. Also, I can see a Sikhara-like formation in the mAtra counts:
> 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
> #mAtras 11 5 4 3 2
> Is this why it's called SikhariNI?
> * *
> * * *
> * * * *
> * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * * * *
> or is it my imagination run amuck? :-) >>>>
It is a case of imagination, not run amuck! If you are looking for a case
of imagination run amuck, listen to a musician who has forced an aksharamela
type into a maatraamela one, just so that he can set it to some taal. I have
heard even the giitaa verses so cruelly treated.
>
>>>>4. Does anybody have the vR^itta ratnAkara book? If so, could you tell
> me how the book is organized? Are they arranged in some order?
> How do I quickly locate a particular vR^itta? I can't find an index.
> >>>>
I do not have that book.
Regards,
Haresh.
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