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Today's Topics:
1. Re: saundarya laharI - shikhariNI (Aarathi Sankaran)
2. Re: saundarya laharI - shikhariNI (Sai)
3. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 16, Issue 9 (J. K. Mohana Rao)
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:07:46 -0500
From: Aarathi Sankaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] saundarya laharI - shikhariNI
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>>>>> 2. But the last syllable in pAdams 2, 3 and 4 is a laghu (guru in
>>>>> pAdam 1)
>>
>> Is it left unspecified? >>>>
It is left unspecified because whether it is laghu or guru, the end
syllable of a pAda is treated as guru.
>>>>> 4. Does anybody have the vR^itta ratnAkara book? If so, could you tell
>>
>> me how the book is organized? Are they arranged in some order?
>> How do I quickly locate a particular vR^itta? I can't find an
>> index. >>>>
I don't have the book. If I remember right the sama vR^ittas are
arranged according to the number of syllables in a pAda. The first
section has info on Chandas (?).
HTH
Aarathi.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:50:23 -0600
From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] saundarya laharI - shikhariNI
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What is a sama vR^itta?
And my other question still remains. Why is it called SikhariNI?
- Sai.
Haresh Bakshi uvaacha:
> >>>>3. Also, I can see a Sikhara-like formation in the mAtra counts:
> > 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
> > #mAtras 11 5 4 3 2
> > Is this why it's called SikhariNI?
> > * *
> > * * *
> > * * * *
> > * * * * *
> > * * * * * * * * * * *
> > or is it my imagination run amuck? :-) >>>>
>
> It is a case of imagination, not run amuck! If you are looking for a case
> of imagination run amuck, listen to a musician who has forced an aksharamela
> type into a maatraamela one, just so that he can set it to some taal. I have
> heard even the giitaa verses so cruelly treated.
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 13:40:22 -0400
From: "J. K. Mohana Rao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 16, Issue 9
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Why the discrepancy in the first paadam?
> - Sai.
In Sanskrit poetry, each line, generally, stands by itself.
In Telugu, one can carry over words to the second line.
Normally, this is not done in Sanskrit. The yati in
Sanskrit is only a pause, whereas in Telugu, there is
akshara-bAMdhavya. Thus there is a yati at the end
of the pAda in Sanskrit. Because of this, a laghu at
the end of the line is considered a guru. Normally, the
named vRttas in Sanskrit have invariably a guru at
the end. I know only three exceptions to
this. Even though theoretically it is possible, these
are very rarely used. The exceptions I know are:
vRtta (yes that is the name of the vRtta!), kirITa, and,
samAnika.
> 3. Also, I can see a Sikhara-like formation in the mAtra counts:
> 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2
> #mAtras 11 5 4 3 2
> Is this why it's called SikhariNI?
> * *
> * * *
> * * * *
> * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * * * *
> or is it my imagination run amuck? :-)
Each pAda in SikhariNi splits as 6 and 11.
The first part is heavily laden with gurus and
the second part with laghus. According to
vRttaratnAkara, there is no further yati. In Telugu,
SikhariNi splits as 12 and 5. The mAtra count
in the second part of the pAda, as you have made,
is only for convenience. The words donot have to
split like that.
> 4. Does anybody have the vR^itta ratnAkara book? If so, could you tell
> me how the book is organized? Are they arranged in some order?
> How do I quickly locate a particular vR^itta?
> I can't find an index.
I have two versions of this book. One of them can be
downloaded from the million-book-project. The book
basically spends time on mAtrAChaMdas (aaryA types),
gaNa-ChaMdas (vRttas), daMDaka, ardhasamavRttas
(mixtures of two different vRttas - upajAtis) and then
finally on the theoretical aspects.
Another nice book on Sanskrit ChaMdas is
ChaMdaSSAstra by piMgalAchArya. This
book also can be downloaded from MBP.
There is an excellent SikhariNi in gItagOviMda
wherein the name of the metre also occurs.
Regards! - J K Mohana Rao
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