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Today's Topics:
1. udyogaparvam - sarga 15 - 32 (Sai Susarla)
2. Re: vah - dropping of karma in sakarmaka verbs (Vikram Santurkar)
3. Udyoga shloka 18 - Subject: [Sanskrit] shuchismitA = slender
one? (Vikram Santurkar)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Sanskrit] udyogaparvam - sarga 15 - 32
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Dr. sarasvati mohan mahodayAyAH paryavekShaNe SrI vikrama santurkarasya anuvAdaH
shlokaH 32
adbhyo.agnirbrahmataH kShatramashmano lohamutthitam .
teShA.n sarvatraga.n tejaH svAsu yoniShu shAmyati .. 32..\
padavibhaagaH
adbhyaH agniH brahmataH kShatram ashmanaH loham utthitam .
teShA.n sarvatraga.n tejaH svAsu yoniShu shAmyati ..
anvayaH
adbhyaH agniH brahmataH kShatram ashmanaH loham utthitam .
teShA.n tejaH sarvatraga.n. svAsu yoniShu shAmyati ..
pratipadaarthaH
adbhyaH=water;
agniH=fire;
brahmataH=From Brahma;
kShatram=the valour;
ashmanaH=from stone;
loham=metal;
utthitam=produced, rise-up;
teShA.n=of those;
tejaH=brilliance;
sarvatraga.n=spreads everywhere;
svAsu=In their own;
yoniShu=places of birth
shAmyati=is extinguished
anuvAdaH
Agni-deva to Brishaspati: From water, fire is born, from Brahma, valour is
created,
from stone, metal is produced. Their power [existance] is everywhere.
That power is extinguished in their own source of generation. [follows in
the next]
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vikram Santurkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] vah - dropping of karma in sakarmaka verbs
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Namaste dhana.njaya,
vah is sakarmaka and the second karma is inferred here from the previous shlokas. This
does not agree with the conventional rules of grammer/style of Nijanta forms.
The only reasonable explanation is that the poet has exercised his discretion in
forming this shloka. Poetry often leaves something to the imagination, else it would
be prose.
vikramaH
Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
svasti vikrama,
I agree with you that either the vehicle (with
nahushha) or nahushha himself is the expected karma of
the verb "vah", and thus the expected second karma of
the Nijanta verb-form "vAhayAmAsa". The context is
clear.
But is the grammar/style all right?
The question we have here is:
Is it grammatically and stylistically acceptable to
drop the karma of a sakarmaka verb because it can be
inferred?
Usually, we can drop significant kArakas only if
1. they have been mentioned in previous sentences
(preferably very close by), OR
2. the kAraka is implied in the verb conjugation (only
asmad, yushhmad, and tad [gender?] can be implied).
e.g. (modified from various texts)
(1)
aya.n devadattaH pushhTaH (asti) | parantu
(devadattaH) divA na bhuN^kte | ataH (devadattaH)
rAtrau bhuN^kte |
The kartA is dropped due to immediate earlier
reference.
(2a) (aha.m) gachhAmi |
The kartA is optionally dropped because the verb
conjugation admits no other choice.
(2b) chArudatto vadhastambha.n nIyate | BUT
(2c) (tva.m) tatra nIyase |
In (2c) the karma-kartA is dropped because the verb
conjugation admits no other choice. Cannot be done in
(2b).
Are there any examples of karma just being dropped?
Of course, if "vah" can be akarmaka meaning "to carry
something", then nothing is dropped, and no matter.
However, I have never thought of "vah" as akarmaka.
dhana.njayaH
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vikram Santurkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Udyoga shloka 18 - Subject: [Sanskrit] shuchismitA = slender
one?
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Namaste,
This was incorrect in my translation in 15-18, the word was correctly translated in
15-6.
As pointed out by Sri Vaidya
shuchismite=O woman with the auspicious/pure smile
dhanyavAdaH
vikramaH
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>Subject: [Sanskrit] shuchismitA = slender one?
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>Re: udyogaparvam shloka 18
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>I wonder whether "shuchismite" might mean something
>like "O woman with the auspicious/pure smile".
>
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sai Susarla)
> > na me kruddhasya paryAptAH sarve lokAH shuchismite .
> > ... 18..\
> >
>...
> > shuchismite=O slender one;
>...
> > Nahusha to Indraani: O slender one, ...
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