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Today's Topics:
1. English stay -- more likely common origin as sa.nskR^ita
sthA (Jay Vaidya)
2. The Divine Exception (Haresh Bakshi)
3. RE: The Divine Exception (Haresh Bakshi)
4. English stay sthA (Desiraju Hanumanta Rao)
5. Re: English stay sthA (peekayar)
6. Re: English stay sthA (Sai)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:50:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] English stay -- more likely common origin as
sa.nskR^ita sthA
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avadat rAmakR^ishhNaH
> From: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Incidentally the English stay seems to have
> originated from the Sanskrit styaa.
>
>
> PKRamakrishnan
>
I think it is much more likely that the sa.nskR^ita
"sthA" (rather than "styaa") and the English "stay"
have common origin.
The sa.nskR^ita sthA gives sthAna, which is similar to
the persian "stAn" -- at leat a start: if anyone knows
other words from "near" Indo-European languages, e.g.,
Russian, Romanian/Czeck, German, they could confirm.
dhana.njayaH
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:57:42 -0400
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namaste, we do not associate the vocative/sambodhanaartha/ashhTamii vibhakti
with pronouns.
Please refer to bhagvad-giitaa 11.40. Here, in the second quarter you will
find "sarva" to mean
"O All".
Have you come across such exceptions?
dhanyavaadaH |
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:04:19 -0400
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sarva!! please read bhagavad-giitaa in place of bhagvad-giitaa.
saabhaaram,
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>namaste, we do not associate the vocative/sambodhanaartha/ashhTamii
>vibhakti with pronouns.
>Please refer to bhagvad-giitaa 11.40. Here, in the second quarter you will
>find "sarva" to mean
>"O All".
>
>Have you come across such exceptions?
>
>dhanyavaadaH |
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:20:45 -0700 (PDT)
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the sa.nskR^ita "sthA" (rather than "styaa") and the English "stay" -->
This is the account for stay derived from stand:
>> Oxford<< Prob. a. OF. (e)stai-, (e)stei-, flexional stem of ester (:L. stre) to
>> stand. Cf. the earlier RESTAY v. In AF. the regular form of the pres. sing. indic.
>> was estais, estait; an inf. *esteier, *estaier may have existed in colloquial use,
>> but has not been found; the gerund esteaunt (three-syllables) occurs in Boeve de
>> Haumtone (ed. Stimming) 2244. Eastern and North-eastern dialects of OF. have an
>> inf. form esteir. << and >> Anglo-French estai-, stem of Old French ester, from
>> Latin stare �stand� << This is under their theaory of pobability, not affirmed.
So also is - go - ga, gaml, gamana > Old English gaan, from Germanic: went originally
the past tense of wend <<
But, how to prove to the acceptance of Eng. etymologists like - shampoo - >> Oxford :
Hindustani chhampo, imperative of chhampna �to press� << and Laksmhi for Lakme
[cosmetics] etc - is to be exmined.
dhr
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:13:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: peekayar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Let us now deal only with agastya. Has it come from
agastha and
how?
Desiraju Hanumanta Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the sa.nskR^ita "sthA" (rather than "styaa") and the English "stay" -->
This is the account for stay derived from stand:
>> Oxford<< Prob. a. OF. (e)stai-, (e)stei-, flexional stem of ester (:L. stre) to
>> stand. Cf. the earlier RESTAY v. In AF. the regular form of the pres. sing. indic.
>> was estais, estait; an inf. *esteier, *estaier may have existed in colloquial use,
>> but has not been found; the gerund esteaunt (three-syllables) occurs in Boeve de
>> Haumtone (ed. Stimming) 2244. Eastern and North-eastern dialects of OF. have an
>> inf. form esteir. << and >> Anglo-French estai-, stem of Old French ester, from
>> Latin stare �stand� << This is under their theaory of pobability, not affirmed.
So also is - go - ga, gaml, gamana > Old English gaan, from Germanic: went originally
the past tense of wend <<
But, how to prove to the acceptance of Eng. etymologists like - shampoo - >> Oxford :
Hindustani chhampo, imperative of chhampna �to press� << and Laksmhi for Lakme
[cosmetics] etc - is to be exmined.
dhr
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:41:57 -0600
From: Sai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] English stay sthA
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According to M-W,
It is derived from
agasti (not agastha = one who stays in/on mountain, which doesn't make sense given
what he did to a
mountain)
<E> agasti
<M> m. (according to Un2. iv , 179 fr. 2. %{a-ga} , a mountain , and %{asti} ,
thrower , 2. %{as}). N. of a R2ishi (author of several Vedic hymns ; said to
have been the son of both Mitra and Varun2a by Urvas3i1 ; to have been born in
a water-jar ; to have been of short stature ; to have swallowed the ocean , and
compelled the Vindhya mountains to prostrate themselves before him ; to have
conquered and civilized the South ;
Now regarding -asti,
<E> astR
<M> mfn. (fut. p.) one who is about or intends to throw RV. i , 61 , 7 ; x , 133 , 3
; (%{tA}) m. a thrower , shooter RV. AV. ; (with %{a-pa4d}) S3Br.
<E> asta
<M> 1 mfn. (perf. Pass. p. 2. %{as}) , thrown , cast Ragh. xii , 91 ; (%{a4n-} neg.)
S3Br. iii ; (only in comp.) thrown off , left off , set aside , given up (as grief.
anger , a vow , &c.) VP. Katha1s. &c. ; (%{A4}) f. a missile , an arrow AV.
<E> astakopa
<M> mfn. one whose anger is laid aside , Comm on Megh.
- Sai.
peekayar uvaacha:
> Let us now deal only with agastya. Has it come from
> agastha and
> how?
>
>
> Desiraju Hanumanta Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> the sa.nskR^ita "sthA" (rather than "styaa") and the English "stay" -->
>
> This is the account for stay derived from stand:
> >> Oxford<< Prob. a. OF. (e)stai-, (e)stei-, flexional stem of ester (:L. stre) to
> >> stand. Cf. the earlier RESTAY v. In AF. the regular form of the pres. sing.
> >> indic. was estais, estait; an inf. *esteier, *estaier may have existed in
> >> colloquial use, but has not been found; the gerund esteaunt (three-syllables)
> >> occurs in Boeve de Haumtone (ed. Stimming) 2244. Eastern and North-eastern
> >> dialects of OF. have an inf. form esteir. << and >> Anglo-French estai-, stem of
> >> Old French ester, from Latin stare �stand� << This is under their theaory of
> >> pobability, not affirmed.
>
> So also is - go - ga, gaml, gamana > Old English gaan, from Germanic: went
> originally the past tense of wend <<
>
> But, how to prove to the acceptance of Eng. etymologists like - shampoo - >> Oxford
> : Hindustani chhampo, imperative of chhampna �to press� << and Laksmhi for Lakme
> [cosmetics] etc - is to be exmined.
>
> dhr
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