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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Bravo for corrected verse (A. R. Srikrishnan)
2. Re: "Aorist": better to say "Simple past tense" (Ambujam Raman)
3. Re: Translate shloka (Srivalli Jammalamadaka)
4. Re: Translate shloka (Srivalli Jammalamadaka)
5. sanskrit puzzle. (peekayar)
6. sanskrit puzzle. (peekayar)
7. Re: Translate shloka (Vis Tekumalla)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:31:16 +0530
From: "A. R. Srikrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Re: Bravo for corrected verse
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Vande ||
On kaamam & iidR^ik in the verse being discussed here (Quoted by
Sri Raman):
As Sri Dhananjaya pointed out, iidR^ik goes with kaamam as
dvitiiya ekavacanam. kaama (though often used in pullinga, while
refering to kamadeva and desire) can be used in napumsaka-limga also,
particularly when it referes to a "desired object/state" ("kaamya-vastu")
It is certainly correct to use iidR^ik as adjective to
praThama/dvitiiya ekavacanam, in napumsakalimga(as in
"iidR^ig-jaganmayavapu-stava..."- in naraayaNiiyam, dashakam 6/7).
iidR^ishaH/iidR^isham surely violates the meter here.
The pullinga ekavacanam is also iidR^ik (similar to maadR^ik
-("like me") - Ex: para-praNiitaani vacaamsi cinwataam
pravR^itthi-saaraaH khalu *maadR^ishaam* giraH - in Kiraataarjuniiyam.
("maadR^ishaam" is ShaShTii bahuvacanam here, of maadR^ik). Hence, In
pullinga, it *might be possible* to use iidR^ik here, with "kopi"
(kah+api), but I feel it will be more difficult.....
iyam me matiH - parastaat paNditaaH pramaaNam ||
dhanyosmi
Srikrishnan
>Jay, Srikrishnan:
>..........
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>>*kaamam* bhunakti bubhuje na ca bhokShyatii*dR^ik*
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>and Jay's comment
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>(6) The plural IdR^ishaH did not jive with anything
>else.
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>iidR^ik is prathama ekavachanam. But don't we need dvitiiya here?
>which would be 'iidR^shaM' (since dR^k is feminine).
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>Raman
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:29:27 -0400
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] "Aorist": better to say "Simple past tense"
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Jay
In the same vein could you throw some light on the lazy man's way of saying:
kim bhavati sma as the equivalent of abhavat
Should the use of the particle sma be popularized as in the infant sanskrit
readers?
Raman
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:49:16 +0530
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Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Translate shloka
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Raman garu,
Could you please also provide reference to context, i.e., the story that
contains this shloka?
Thank you.
J. SriValli
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vismahaashayaaH!
Good try! But doesn't make sense is'nt it? Exactly the problem I face
whenever I try to decipher long verses where the sandhis and anuswaras can
drive you crazy. I really would appreciate if somebody with experience
could share the know-how and technique. I would post the meaning as
provided by the bhaagavata (which does make sense!) after giving some time
for others to try. Incidentally there is no need to introduce extra
'akaaram'.
Raman
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:16:35 +0530
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Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Translate shloka
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Vis garu,
Namaste. My knowledge of Sanskrit is painfully minimal but I will still
attempt to understand the shloka based on the prati padartham you have
given.
The essence of the shloka seems to be the following:-
Whoever follows Rama ( abhirAma= one who follows rama ) shall experience
the same bliss that Sita does.
Thanks.
J. SriValli
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siitaam—manoharatara--a^Ngir--amudgarantiim---aali^Ngya<?xml:namespace
prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
tatra---bhuje paripuurNa---kaama--araamastathaa
tribhuvanopi—yad---aanakaH---abhiraamam
bhunakti—bubhuje--ena---ca—bhokshyati---iid^RshaH
I have added an "a" in amudgarantim
siitaam = Seeta; manoharatara--a^Ngir = one with beautiful pleasing limbs;
amudgarantiim = one reposed in a “mudgara” posture (?) or as delicate as a
jasmine flower; aali^Ngya = embracing; tatra = there; bhuje = on shoulders;
paripuurNa = completely; kaama = desire; araamastathaa = both relaxing;
tribhuvanopi = the three worlds too; yad = whoever; aanakaH = thunder-cloud
(monsoon storm cloud); abhiraamam = Rama loved by all; bhunakti = enjoys;
bubhuje = enjoys; ena = her (Seeta); ca = too; bhokshyati = enjoys;
iid^RshaH = this way
Well, one can intuitively guess the meaning, but how to prosify all this!!
Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here is a lovely passage from Ramayana (not valmiki, but I dont know
which!). Would you folks try to translate with padaartham?
siitaam manoharataraa^Ngiramudgrantiimaali^Ngya
tatrabhuje paripuurNakaamaaraamastathaa
tribhuvanopiyadaanako'bhiraamam
bhunaktibubhujenacabhokshyatiid^RshaH
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 04:53:23 -0700 (PDT)
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Since I have a problem with the internet connection, the solution to the Sanskrit
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:07:41 -0700 (PDT)
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Srivalli garu:
Namste.
Mr. SriKrishnan answered it on August 26. He made small corrections to Mr. Raman's
verse so it would conform to a known meter (The verse as posted had some prosodial
problems), and his correction does away with "abhirama" in the verse. Mr. Raman agrees
with the meaning that Mr. SriKrishnan derived but neither Mr. Raman nor anyone else
has confirmed that Mr. SriKrishnan's changes represent the actual verse:
Mr. SriKrishnan wrote:
I have not heard this shloka before, but based on the text presented
here, I am trying to split paadaas, and make certain corrections in
wordings to suit the perceived meaning - I pray the poet forgives me, if my
"corrections" do not conform to the original text. (My corrections to
the quoted text are marked by * *).
siitaam manoharataraa^Ngiramud*gira*ntiim
aalingya tatra *bubhuje* paripuurNakaamaH |
raama-sta*Thaa* tribhuva*nepi* ya*Thaa* na *kopi*
*kaamam* bhunakti bubhuje na ca bhokShyatii*dR^ik* ||
To mean: Rama embraced Sita, who was chatting mellifluosly, and took
pleasure (bubhuje ~ enjoyed), getting all his desires fullfilled - so
much that anyone else in the three worlds has not enjoyed, is not enjoying
and will never enjoy the desired pleasures anywhere similar to this!
The meter: vasantatilakam
Thanks !
Srikrishnan
Now, as for your question on "abhirama," it means - pleasing, nice etc. The following
is how it's defined in the Cologne digital lexicon. When I tried my hand at
translating the shloka, I was flying by the seat of my pants. It's better for you to
go with the explanation given by Mr. SriKrishnan :-)
EntryabhirAma
Meaningmf(%{A}) n. pleasing , delightful , agreeable , beautiful ; m. N. of Siva ; 1.
(%{am}) ind. so as to be agreeable to (in comp.) S3a1k. ; (for 2. %{abhi-rAmam} see
s.v. below.)
...Vis Tekumalla
Srivalli Jammalamadaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Vis garu,
Namaste. My knowledge of Sanskrit is painfully minimal but I will still
attempt to understand the shloka based on the prati padartham you have
given.
The essence of the shloka seems to be the following:-
Whoever follows Rama ( abhirAma= one who follows rama ) shall experience
the same bliss that Sita does.
Thanks.
J. SriValli
Vis Tekumalla
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siitaam—manoharatara--a^Ngir--amudgarantiim---aali^Ngyaprefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
tatra---bhuje paripuurNa---kaama--araamastathaa
tribhuvanopi—yad---aanakaH---abhiraamam
bhunakti—bubhuje--ena---ca—bhokshyati---iid^RshaH
I have added an "a" in amudgarantim
siitaam = Seeta; manoharatara--a^Ngir = one with beautiful pleasing limbs;
amudgarantiim = one reposed in a “mudgara” posture (?) or as delicate as a
jasmine flower; aali^Ngya = embracing; tatra = there; bhuje = on shoulders;
paripuurNa = completely; kaama = desire; araamastathaa = both relaxing;
tribhuvanopi = the three worlds too; yad = whoever; aanakaH = thunder-cloud
(monsoon storm cloud); abhiraamam = Rama loved by all; bhunakti = enjoys;
bubhuje = enjoys; ena = her (Seeta); ca = too; bhokshyati = enjoys;
iid^RshaH = this way
Well, one can intuitively guess the meaning, but how to prosify all this!!
Ambujam Raman wrote:
Here is a lovely passage from Ramayana (not valmiki, but I dont know
which!). Would you folks try to translate with padaartham?
siitaam manoharataraa^Ngiramudgrantiimaali^Ngya
tatrabhuje paripuurNakaamaaraamastathaa
tribhuvanopiyadaanako'bhiraamam
bhunaktibubhujenacabhokshyatiid^RshaH
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