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1. Re: Translate shloka (Vis Tekumalla)
2. A sanskrit puzzle - solutions (peekayar)
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:10:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Translate shloka
To: Srivalli Jammalamadaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Srivalli garu:
Namste.
Mr. SriKrishnan answered it on August 26. He made small corrections to Mr. Raman's
verse so it would conform to a known meter (The verse as posted had some prosodial
problems), and his correction does away with "abhirama" in the verse. Mr. Raman agrees
with the meaning that Mr. SriKrishnan derived but neither Mr. Raman nor anyone else
has confirmed that Mr. SriKrishnan's changes represent the actual verse:
Mr. SriKrishnan wrote:
I have not heard this shloka before, but based on the text presented
here, I am trying to split paadaas, and make certain corrections in
wordings to suit the perceived meaning - I pray the poet forgives me, if my
"corrections" do not conform to the original text. (My corrections to
the quoted text are marked by * *).
siitaam manoharataraa^Ngiramud*gira*ntiim
aalingya tatra *bubhuje* paripuurNakaamaH |
raama-sta*Thaa* tribhuva*nepi* ya*Thaa* na *kopi*
*kaamam* bhunakti bubhuje na ca bhokShyatii*dR^ik* ||
To mean: Rama embraced Sita, who was chatting mellifluosly, and took
pleasure (bubhuje ~ enjoyed), getting all his desires fullfilled - so
much that anyone else in the three worlds has not enjoyed, is not enjoying
and will never enjoy the desired pleasures anywhere similar to this!
The meter: vasantatilakam
Thanks !
Srikrishnan
Now, as for your question on "abhirama," it means - pleasing, nice etc. The following
is how it's defined in the Cologne digital lexicon. When I tried my hand at
translating the shloka, I was flying by the seat of my pants. It's better for you to
go with the explanation given by Mr. SriKrishnan :-)
EntryabhirAma
Meaningmf(%{A}) n. pleasing , delightful , agreeable , beautiful ; m. N. of Siva ; 1.
(%{am}) ind. so as to be agreeable to (in comp.) S3a1k. ; (for 2. %{abhi-rAmam} see
s.v. below.)
...Vis Tekumalla
Srivalli Jammalamadaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Vis garu,
Namaste. My knowledge of Sanskrit is painfully minimal but I will still
attempt to understand the shloka based on the prati padartham you have
given.
The essence of the shloka seems to be the following:-
Whoever follows Rama ( abhirAma= one who follows rama ) shall experience
the same bliss that Sita does.
Thanks.
J. SriValli
Vis Tekumalla
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siitaam—manoharatara--a^Ngir--amudgarantiim---aali^Ngyaprefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
tatra---bhuje paripuurNa---kaama--araamastathaa
tribhuvanopi—yad---aanakaH---abhiraamam
bhunakti—bubhuje--ena---ca—bhokshyati---iid^RshaH
I have added an "a" in amudgarantim
siitaam = Seeta; manoharatara--a^Ngir = one with beautiful pleasing limbs;
amudgarantiim = one reposed in a “mudgara” posture (?) or as delicate as a
jasmine flower; aali^Ngya = embracing; tatra = there; bhuje = on shoulders;
paripuurNa = completely; kaama = desire; araamastathaa = both relaxing;
tribhuvanopi = the three worlds too; yad = whoever; aanakaH = thunder-cloud
(monsoon storm cloud); abhiraamam = Rama loved by all; bhunakti = enjoys;
bubhuje = enjoys; ena = her (Seeta); ca = too; bhokshyati = enjoys;
iid^RshaH = this way
Well, one can intuitively guess the meaning, but how to prosify all this!!
Ambujam Raman wrote:
Here is a lovely passage from Ramayana (not valmiki, but I dont know
which!). Would you folks try to translate with padaartham?
siitaam manoharataraa^Ngiramudgrantiimaali^Ngya
tatrabhuje paripuurNakaamaaraamastathaa
tribhuvanopiyadaanako'bhiraamam
bhunaktibubhujenacabhokshyatiid^RshaH
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Sanskrit] A sanskrit puzzle - solutions
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A Sanskrit Puzzle
This is a very intricate shloka from
sitaa-raavaNa-samvaadajharii
by Kamarajanagar Ramasastri
Dialogue between Ravana and Sita.
This is one of several shlokas.
Ravana condemns Rama upto the first half of the
fourth paada.
Sita replies in the second half of fourth paada.
atalpaM nidraaLuH rajaniSu kuvaak durgatatamaH
mahaakaataryaaDhyo manasi vidhuta-projvalayashaaH
vadhaaanmaaMsaadaanaaM bahuvimatalaabho janakaje
kathaM shlaaghyo raamaH -------
khala tamasakR^it maa spR^isha giraa.
You may try the meaning and send it to me by
31st of Aug. I shall publish the meaning on 1st Sept.
P.K.Ramakrishnan
Response 1
>From Vis Tekumalla
Rather a free translation.
atalpaM nidraaLuH rajaniSu kuvaak durgatatamaH
mahaakaataryaaDhyo manasi vidhuta-projvalayashaaH
vadhaaanmaaMsaadaanaaM bahuvimatalaabho janakaje
kathaM shlaaghyo raamaH -------
khala tamasakR^it maa spR^isha giraa.
Ravana: It's extremely hard (for me) to badmouth someone who is (always) drowsy with
no bed to sleep on during nights, who is abundantly faint-hearted and timid, one who
has lost his reputation, one who is of no better use than just to be killed and cut up
to be given in charity, and (still) you get offended oh! Janaka's daughter (when I
state the facts in palatable language)! How could one sing praises of Rama?
Seeta: You scum, with an ignoble nature readily betrayed by polluted speech, don't so
much as lay your hand on me!
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Respnse 2.
>From Raman
I realize that there is vya^Ngyokti. I could only decipher the straight meaning as
follows.
atalpaM nidraaLuH rajaniSu = On nights disposed to sleep in foreign bed (i.e.,
unfaithful)
kuvaak = bad-mouther
durgatatamaH = extremely in bad (unfortunate) circumstances (or highly unlucky)
mahaakaataryaaDhyo manasi = very cowardly-witted in mind
vidhuta-projvalayashaaH = devoid of brilliant fame
kathaM shlaaghyo raamaH = (with all these qualifications) how is Rama worthy of
praise
Since Sita sees through the vya^Ngya (which I didn't get), she reasponds
khala tamasakR^it maa spR^isha giraa = Don't touch (sprinkle) words that are
mischievous and couched in ignorance
prahelikaayaa uttaram pratiikShamaaNaa...
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Response 3
>From Sai
It is SikhariNI.
atalpaM = lacking even a couch to sleep,
,
durgata-tamaH = most {unfortunate, miserable, unlucky}
person
rajaniSu nidrALuH = drowsy in the nights (instead of
having fun with Sita?)
kAtari = cowardly, faint-hearted
kuvAk = bad-mouthed (how did this come about?)
ADhyaH = opulent, richly endowed with
vidhuta = dispersed, removed, relinquished
projvala yashaaH = immense splendor/wealth.
i.e., one who is devoid of immense riches.
sAdaH = sitting on horseback, riding, sinking down,
exhaustion, perishing, loss, ruin
vadhaat mAM sAdAnAm = by killing me ??? [can't
understand this]
bahu vimata-lAbhaH = unwilling to gain ???
(I thought it means mAMsAdi ... in that case it must
be mAmsAdInAm, so I
give up on that line).
asakR^it = not once, repeatedly
girA = with words
Meaning:
O janakaja (Sita), How is Rama praiseworthy/great?
He lacks even a couch to sleep, is the most unlucky
fellow, wastes night
times sleeping instead of having fun,
is full of cowardice (perhaps because he gave up
kingdom instead
of fighting for it like a man), lost all wealth and
power,
...
Sita's reply
tam asakR^it = him, repeatedly
O Wicked one! do not touch him repeatedly with your
words.
tamasakR^it
O wicked one who does only tamasic acts, don't touch
(him/me) with words.
(almost meaning, 'don't taint me with your
tamas-filled words).
peekayar uvaacha:
> atalpaM nidraaLuH rajaniSu kuvaak durgatatamaH
> mahaakaataryaaDhyo manasi vidhuta-projvalayashaaH
> vadhaaanmaaMsaadaanaaM bahuvimatalaabho janakaje
> kathaM shlaaghyo raamaH -------
> khala tamasakR^it maa spR^isha giraa.
.
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The meaning as intended by Raavana �
raamaH (raama)
rajanishu(during the nights)
atalpam = without bed
nidraaLuH � sleeping
kuvaak � bad mouthed
durgatha thamaH � highly in a bad position
manasi � in his mind �
maha kkataryaaryaDhyo � highly abundant in cowardice
vidhuta projvala yashaaH � having lost all high fame
maamsaadaanaaM vadhhaat � by the killing of meat eaters (raakshasas)
bahu-vimata-laabhah = conquering many enemies
katham shlaaghyaH = how is he praiseworthy
janakaje = hey siite
sita replies -
apparent meaning � khala - Oh! Wicked! Tam (raamaM)
asakR^t maa spR^sha giraa = do not repeatedly touch with your words.
The other meaning -
khala! = Oh! Wicked! taM = the letter �ta� asakR^t = repeatedly
maa spR^sha giraa = do not touch with speech.
(That means read without �ta� what you said)
Now it becomes �
raamaH (raama)
rajanishu =during the nights
alpam nidraaLuH � sleeping little
kuvaak durgamaH � cannot be reached by bad words.
manasi maha kaaryaaDhyaH = capable of reaching high
performance in his mind.
vidhuprojvala yashaaH � having fame like the shining moon
maamsaadaanaaM vadhhaat � by the killing of raakshasaas.
bahu-vimalaabhah = having high splendor
This is taken from a talk given by
Late Paramacharya of Kanchi.
P.K.Ramakrishnan
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