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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Meaning Please (Vis Tekumalla)
2. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 41 (viahwanath kulkarni)
3. Re: Meaning Please (Ambujam Raman)
4. udyogaparvam - sarga 16 - 31 (Sai Susarla)
5. Re: Meaning Please (Vidhyanath Rao)
6. Re: Meaning Please (Ambujam Raman)
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 17:45:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Meaning Please
To: Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Couldn't it be parsed this way?
tamaakhupatraM vinaayakaM raajendra bhaja, maag~naanadaayakaM
or
raajendra! tvam bhaja kevalaM tamaakhupatraM vinaayaM, maa bhaja na kadaapi
ag~Nanadaayakam.
(King of kings! you must pray only the mouse-riding Vinayaka; never pray a
dissiminator of ignorance).
Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What is the dual meaning in the Subhashita verse?
'tamaakhupatraM raajendra bhaja maag~naanadaayakaM'
The straight meaning as I knew is:
taM = him
aakhupatram = aakhu muuShikam patram vaahanaM muuShikavaahanaM arthaat
vinaayakaM = Ganesha
raajendra =Hey king supreme!
bhaja = worship
maa = don't
ag~naanadaayakaM = giver of ignorance
Hey supreme king! Do not worship Ganesa (riding on the rat (which steals))
who purveys ignorance (or steals true knowledge)!
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Date: 5 Dec 2004 11:22:09 -0000
From: "viahwanath kulkarni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 19, Issue 41
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:43:27 -0500
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Meaning Please
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Thanks Vis:
'tamaakhupatraM raajendra bhaja, maa ag~naanadaayakaM'
That sounds very reasonable and gives just the opposite meaning!
Is it grammatically OK to leave the prohibitive 'maa' with an implied verb?
Again note if we write:
'tamaakhupatraM raajendra bhaja, maa g~naanadaayakaM'
we get the opposite meaning.
Also if we take 'maa' to be the dhatu meaning ' to conclude or infer' we get
the meaning:
he raajaN! muuShikaaruudhaM vinaayakaM bhajasva evaM taM nishpaadaya
~gnaanadaayakaM
O King supreme! Worship vinaayaka, conclude (he is) giver of knowledge!
rAmaH
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From: Vis Tekumalla
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Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Meaning Please
Couldn't it be parsed this way?
tamaakhupatraM vinaayakaM raajendra bhaja, maag~naanadaayakaM
or
raajendra! tvam bhaja kevalaM tamaakhupatraM vinaayaM, maa bhaja na kadaapi
ag~Nanadaayakam.
(King of kings! you must pray only the mouse-riding Vinayaka; never pray a
dissiminator of ignorance).
Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What is the dual meaning in the Subhashita verse?
'tamaakhupatraM raajendra bhaja maag~naanadaayakaM'
The straight meaning as I knew is:
taM = him
aakhupatram = aakhu muuShikam patram vaahanaM muuShikavaahanaM arthaat
vinaayakaM = Ganesha
raajendra =Hey king supreme!
bhaja = worship
maa = don't
ag~naanadaayakaM = giver of ignorance
Hey supreme king! Do not worship Ganesa (riding on the rat (which steals))
who purveys ignorance (or steals true knowledge)!
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:30:01 -0800 (PST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sai Susarla)
Subject: [Sanskrit] udyogaparvam - sarga 16 - 31
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Dr. sarasvati mohan mahodayAyAH paryavekShaNe SrI vikrama santurkarasya anuvAdaH
shlokaH 31
indro.abravIdbhavatu bhavAnapAM patir
yamaH kuberashcha mayAbhiShekam .
samprApnuvantvadya sahaiva daivataiH
ripu.n jayAma taM nahuShaM ghoradR^iShTim .. 31..\
padavibhaagaH
indraH abravIt bhavatu bhavAn apAM patiH
yamaH kuberaH cha mayA abhiShekam .
samprApnuvantu adya saha eva daivataiH
ripu.n jayAmaH taM nahuShaM ghoradR^iShTim ..
anvayaH
indraH abravIt bhavatu. bhavAn apAM patiH yamaH kuberaH cha
mayA abhiShekam. adya eva daivataiH saha samprApnuvantu.
taM nahuSham ghoradR^iShTim ripu.n jayAmaH.
pratipadArthaH
indraH=Indra;
abravIt=said;
bhavatu=may it be so;
bhavAn=you;
apAM=of water;
patiH=lord;
yamaH=yama;
kuberaH=kubera;
cha=and;
mayA=by me;
abhiShekam=coronated
adya=today;
eva=only;
daivataiH=along with the gods;
saha=together;
samprApnuvantu=should get there;
taM=that;
nahuSham=Nahusha;
ghoradR^iShTim=the one with terrible vision;
ripu.n=the enemy;
jayAmaH=we defeat;
anuvAdaH
Indra said: May it be so. You the lord of water, Yama and Kubera will get the
coronation
along with me.Today itself along with the other gods we should meet with him.
We can defeat the enemy Nahusha (the one with terrible vision)
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:17:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Vidhyanath Rao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Meaning Please
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> Thanks Vis:
> 'tamaakhupatraM raajendra bhaja, maa ag~naanadaayakaM'
>
> That sounds very reasonable and gives just the opposite meaning!
>
> Is it grammatically OK to leave the prohibitive 'maa' with an implied
> verb?
That is quite common actually. [There is some discussion of omissions of
words in maahaabhaashhya, with suggestions for justification based on
Panini, if you are interested in that sort of thing.]
Regards
Nath
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:34:55 -0500
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Meaning Please
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Thanks Dr. Rao for the reassurance. What is the reference ?
One other way of interpreting
'tamaakhupatraM raajendra bhaja, maag~naa na daayakaM'
maa = Lakshmi = material wealth
Hence maa~gnaa = knowledge of material objects or perishables
Hence the meaning would be;
Hey great king! Worship Vinaayaka who does not give perishable knowledge.
implying Vinaayaka is a purveyor of True imperishable knowledge (brahmag~naana)
rAmaH
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