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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:52:09 -0500
From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Translation
To: "Jay Vaidya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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pashyeH= you may please see(d^Rish vidhyartha 2nd
sing)
uttaMbhitam= ud+staMbhitam (special sandhi rule) =
pulled up
Jay:
That was neat! The original verse had replaced the visarga with 's' instead
of 'r'. Please explain how we can distinguish how and when we can replace
visarga with a sibilant or repha.
Incidentally the special sandhi rule is Pan 8.4.61 which is final!
rAmaH
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:52:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Sanskrit monthly magazines
To: Sanskrit <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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Namaste:
There are two Sanskrit monthlies published in India and I provide the
subscription details below. I have been getting one of them (Sambhahana
Sandeshah) and it's a fun read. I only wish they had a feature devoted to
Sanskrit cryptics (example - Seetaa-raavana samvaada jhhari), jokes related to
language manipulation, etc (e.g., "humor in grammar" posts of PKR). In any
event, here are the details provided to me (c & p):
Sambhashana Sandesha can be ordered by sending a check for $30 payable to
'Sambhashana Sandeshah' to the following address. Please send a note with your
name, mailing address, phone number and email id along with your check to:
Sambhashana Sandesha
Samskrita Bharati
22 PARKER ROAD
EDISON, NJ 08820
To order Chandamama in Samskritam, please send a check for $20 payable to
Chandamama (India) Ltd to the following address:
Chandamama India Limited,
Number 82, Defense Officers' Colony,
Ekkatuthangal, Chennai 600 097
India
Please visit http://www.chandamama.org for details.
...Vis Tekumalla
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:25:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Jay Vaidya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] visarga-sandhi
To: Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
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avaxId rAmaH
> of 'r'. Please explain how we can distinguish how
> and when we can replace
> visarga with a sibilant or repha.
To be pedantic, you never replace visarga with 'r';
sometimes you replace 'r' with visarga.
Here below is a shortened algorithm, no
saH/eshhaH-type exceptions mentioned
"starting" position of many vibhakti forms
deva-s (1st, sing)
kavi-s (1st, sing)
dev-ais (3rd, plu)
Step 1: Always convert final -'s' to 'r'
deva-r
kavi-r
Step 2: What follows? If nothing (last word, only
word), or the first two letters of every group, or sh,
shh, s, make it a visarga
Type 2.0 (things other than step 2 follow the 'r')
deva-r asti/ deva-r Aste/ deva-r gadati
kavi-r asti/ kavi-r gadati
Branch 2.0, Step 3: What precedes? if other than 'a',
do nothing, if 'a' precedes then go to the next step
Type 2.0.0 (other than 'a' precedes),
kavir asti/kavir gadati
(there is nothing more to do, this is the final form)
Type 2.0.1 'a' precedes
Branch 2.0.1 Step 4, what follows? hrasva 'a', h, y,
v, r, l, third-fourth-fifth letters of each group,
change r-> u then a+u -> o, ELSE change 'r'-> 'y'
Type 2.0.1.0 ELSE
deva-y Aste
Type 2.0.1.1
devo asti -> devo(.a)sti/ devo gadati (No further
change, no further discussion)
Branch 2.0.1.0 OPTIONALLY make 'y' laghu-prayatnatara,
OPTIONALLY delete it
deva(y)Aste OPTIONALLY deva Aste (no further change,
no further discussion)
Type 2.1 (step 2 -mentioned stuff follows)
devaH (end)/ deva-H karoti/deva-H charati/deva-H
shaknoti
Branch 2.1 Step 3: What follows? If other than (end)
proceed to next step
Type 2.1.0 (end) follows
devaH (end
(no further change, no further discussion)
Type 2.1.1 Other than (end)
deva-H karoti/deva-H charati/ deva-H shaknoti
Branch 2.1.1 What follows?
Type 2.1.1.1 k- kh-, p- ph-, follow
Optionally make no change or change 'H' to :k :p
respectively, where ':' represents the
jihvAmUlIya/upadhmAniya
devaH karoti OPTIONALLY deva:k karoti (no further
change, no further discussion)
Type 2.1.1.2
ch chh, T Th, t th follow, change 'H' to 's' and then
to sh, shh, s, respectively
devash charati (no further change, no further
discussion)
Type 2.1.1.3 sh, shh, s follow, leave 'H' as is, or
OPTIONALLY change 'H' to 's' and then to sh, shh, s,
respectively
devaH shaknoti OPTIONALLY devash shaknoti (no further
change, no further discussion)
As far as I could ascertain, the above algorithm does
not have any ambiguity, and all options are explicitly
stated.
for example: pashye-s uttambhitam
Step 1
pashyer uttambhitam
Step 2: Not last word, first two of group or sh, shh,
s i.e., 2.0
pashyer uttambhitam
Other than 'a' precedes, 2.0.0
pashyer uttambhitam (final form
Dhananjay
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