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�Agraharam Reply to sri rAmaH Message-1
Dear sri rAmAh,
Iam not a hystorian to controdict your openion, but as I read
in some books
and heard through others, I feel that your statement does`nt seems to be a
convincing one and not at all nearer to the hystorical facts.
In olden days, the north India was severely affected with the
muslim invations. Every one, including the brahmins were, for a long time,
engaged in warfare to resist the enimies.No one ever was able to sit peacefully
anywhere. Every one was almost spending on the horsebacks, carrying their
roties in their angee pockets. There was very little time to perform yagnas or
yagas. Many of the Veda paathasalas have to be closed down. Vedas have become
out of memory in a mejority of brahmins.
At that time in south india, the muslims could not enter into
the south, and a number of hindu kings were ruling empires protecting the
religion and dharma most peacefully. They were honouring the VedaPundits and
were performing yagna yagas most frequently. People used to take meals sitting
leasurely on the ground with their food on plantain leaves, with verieties of
delicious curries, dall, ghee and hot hot rice.
Of course there were some Hindu kingdoms performing yagna yagas
in the north also. But due to lack of sufficent number of pundits, they were
unable to perform yagnas, hense they requested the south indian kings to send
some priests to perform yagnas and also give training to the brahmins there.
Many kings like Krishna devaraya etc., have accepted to send some pundits to
north india. They in turn have given training in a hurryburry way. some people
have settled there itself.. That is why, many surnames in north india, we
often find similar to the south indian surnames. I heard that the ancistors
of our ex prime minister Vajpayee were also hailed from Andhrapradesh some time
long back. We can also notice that in north india the pundits are even now
unable to observe the differences of swara bhedas like udatta, anudatta and
swaritha in the veda recitations, except chanting in udatta swara only.
With all these evidences, I am unable to agree your statement that
north indians have come to south to educate brahmins of this place and as a
remuniration they secured the Agraharams. However it is not my intension at all
to show that south indians are more cleaver people than the north indians.
Now with regards to the word "Agraharam", it is mentioned in S.S.Apte`s
dictionary as---
1. A grant of land given by the kings ( to Brahmanas ) for sustinence.
2. Agra- means brahmana bhojanam---thadartham Hriyanthe rajajanaath prithak
kriyathe thei kshetraadayah--iti Neelakanthah
3.kshetrotpanna sasyaadudhrithya Brahmanoddesena sthapyam dhanyaadi
gurukulaadaavrittha brahmacharino deyam kshetraadi; gramabhedascha
----- iti Taranadha`s Vachasptyaam
Sriparasukhanandanadha
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> 1. etymology of agraharam (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
> 2. Re: What is the etymology of the word agrahaara?
> (Lakshmi Srinivas)
> 3. Re: What is the etymology of the word agrahaara?
> (Devadas Menon Pullat)
> 4. agrahara in Mahabharata (P.K.Ramakrishnan)
> 5. Re: agrahara in Mahabharata (Ambujam Raman)
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>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:21:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [Sanskrit] etymology of agraharam
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>Query.
>
>Many Brahmin settlements in South India are called agraharams.
>What is its etymology? I have my derivation of the word whch I will give
>later.
>
>Thanks.
>
>P.K.Ramakrishnan
>
>Mr. Raman's intrepretation.
>
>I believe 'agrahAram' is a portmanteau word of mixed origin viz., sanskrit and
>tamil. The sanskrit part 'agra' (a^Ng raN (Un 2.28) means first,
>foremost,pre-eminent, best etc, the tamil part is 'akaraM' which means house,
>settlement etc. Collectively the word means the foremost or important
>collection of houses or community. In the olden structure of a village
>(grAmaH) in India the temple was the centerpoint and the agraharam was around
>the temple literally the first segment.
>
>There is a 'ha' to 'ka' tranformation when words are transcribed from sanskrit
>to tamil. In this case the transformation is reverse.
>
>One may also derive the word entirely in sanskrit as 'agra+hAram' meaning the
>foremost garland (of houses), but I believe my former derivation makes more
>sense since agraharam is a south indian concept.
>
>rAmaH
>
>-----------------------------------
>
>According to Apte -
>
>A grant of land given by Kings to Brahmanas for ubstanance.
>
> �
>
>According to MW -
>
>
>a piece of land held by Brahmans under special grants.
>
>
>My own intrepretation.
>
>In olden days many Kings of South India invited Brahmins from the North
>to settle in their kingdom mainly to act as priests in temples and to
>perform sacrifices. They granted pieces of land generally on the bank of
>rivers, where the brahmins built row houses (two rows facing each other.}
>At one end of the rows (generally the upper end) they also built a temple
>dedicated to Shiva. So - agre shivaH asya asti iti agrahaara.
>
>This name stuck to all Brahmin settlements, even without a Shiva temple
>or with any other temple.
>
>P.K.Ramakrishnn
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>Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:41:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lakshmi Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] What is the etymology of the word agrahaara?
>To: Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "P.K.Ramakrishnan"
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>According to Monier Williams, the word is attested in Mahabharata itself. Does
>that affect your proposal below?
>
>Lakshmi Srinivas
>
>Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I believe 'agrahAram' is a portmanteau word of mixed origin viz., sanskrit and
>tamil. The sanskrit part 'agra' (a^Ng raN (Un 2.28) means first,
>foremost,pre-eminent, best etc, the tamil part is 'akaraM' which means house,
>settlement etc. Collectively the word means the foremost or important
>collection of houses or community. In the olden structure of a village
>(grAmaH) in India the temple was the centerpoint and the agraharam was around
>the temple literally the first segment.
>
>There is a 'ha' to 'ka' tranformation when words are transcribed from sanskrit
>to tamil. In this case the transformation is reverse.
>
>One may also derive the word entirely in sanskrit as 'agra+hAram' meaning the
>foremost garland (of houses), but I believe my former derivation makes more
>sense since agraharam is a south indian concept.
>
>rAmaH
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>Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:47:28 +0530
> From: Devadas Menon Pullat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] What is the etymology of the word agrahaara?
>To: Lakshmi Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ambujam Raman
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>I remember an earlier posting that provided links to how Mahabharata itself
>changed from a 24,000 verse to its present size. Sankara Acharya himself is
>supposed to have had a hand in the final "rendition" of Mahabharatha, and
>the Acharya was a South Indian!
>
>regds...devadas
>
>At 05:11 PM 2/23/05, Lakshmi Srinivas wrote:
> >According to Monier Williams, the word is attested in Mahabharata itself.
> >Does that affect your proposal below?
> >
> >Lakshmi Srinivas
> >
> >Ambujam Raman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I believe 'agrahAram' is a portmanteau word of mixed origin viz., sanskrit
> >and tamil. The sanskrit part 'agra' (a^Ng raN (Un 2.28) means first,
> >foremost,pre-eminent, best etc, the tamil part is 'akaraM' which means
> >house, settlement etc. Collectively the word means the foremost or
> >important collection of houses or community. In the olden structure of a
> >village (grAmaH) in India the temple was the centerpoint and the agraharam
> >was around the temple literally the first segment.
> >
> >There is a 'ha' to 'ka' tranformation when words are transcribed from
> >sanskrit to tamil. In this case the transformation is reverse.
> >
> >One may also derive the word entirely in sanskrit as 'agra+hAram' meaning
> >the foremost garland (of houses), but I believe my former derivation makes
> >more sense since agraharam is a south indian concept.
> >
> >rAmaH
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>Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:58:08 -0800 (PST)
> From: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [Sanskrit] agrahara in Mahabharata
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>The word in the text is "Agrahara," which, as Nilakantha explains, means here,
>"That which is first taken from a heap after the dedication of a portion to
>the "Viswadevas." What Draupadi means to say is, that she always took care to
>feed those Brahmanas with food "first" taken from the stores, without, in
>fact, having taken anything there from the use of anybody else.
>
>This has nothing to do with agrahara meaning Brahmin settlement.
>
>P.K.Ramakrishnan
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>Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:51:20 -0500
> From: "Ambujam Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] agrahara in Mahabharata
>To: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "sanskrit digest"
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>NilakaNTha says:
>agraM brahmaNabhOjanaM, tadarthe hriyante rAjadhanAt p^Rithak kriyante te
>kShetrAdayaH
>
>This refers to land (paddy fields etc) given by king for the sustenance of
>brahmins. Hence how can it denote a brahmin settlement of houses? Requires a
>stretch of imagination.
>
>agre shivaH asya asti iti agrahaara.
>That is a sound sociological perspective. However the derivation will lead to
>'agrahara'.
>
>The dIrgaM implies that agrahaara is a upapada compound.
>
>We can justify as:
>agraM + h^R + aN = agrahaara (PaN 3.1.92)
>(Unless we agree to interpret 'hAra' as a garland as I have earlier implied)
>
>rAmaH
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: P.K.Ramakrishnan
> To: sanskrit digest
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:58 AM
> Subject: [Sanskrit] agrahara in Mahabharata
>
>
> The word in the text is "Agrahara," which, as Nilakantha explains, means
> here, "That which is first taken from a heap after the dedication of a
> portion to the "Viswadevas." What Draupadi means to say is, that she always
> took care to feed those Brahmanas with food "first" taken from the stores,
> without, in fact, having taken anything there from the use of anybody else.
>
> This has nothing to do with agrahara meaning Brahmin settlement.
>
> P.K.Ramakrishnan
>
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>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:10:22 -0000
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>Hi,
>
>My name is Tony and I live in Hong Kong. I need some quick
>translation done.
>
>I speak Cantonese and Mandarin chinese so I can return the
>favour!
>
>I need the following words in Sanskrit:
>
>
>revenge
>
>murder,
>
>murderer ,
>
>fate
>
>lost (as in a person is missing, disappeared)
>
>help (as in a verb, "please help me!)
>
>son
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>tragedy or tragic
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>
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>Thanks in advance!
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>Tony
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