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1. Re: siddhyanti is fine (Naresh Cuntoor)
2. Re: Learning Sanskrit by a fresh approach - Lesson 4 (K.Srikumar)
3. Re: Font for displaying in Sanskrit (kamalesh pathak)
4. Re: Font for displaying in Sanskrit (Krishnamachary)
5. Re: Font for displaying in Sanskrit (Ajit Krishnan)
6. Re: Font for displaying in Sanskrit (Ramakrishna Upadrasta)
7. ?????? ????????? ????? ? (S. L. Abhyankar)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 08:24:25 -0400
From: Naresh Cuntoor <nares...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] siddhyanti is fine
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Looking at similar dhaatus - krudha, shudha and then ShiDhu -
Brhihadhatu. gives the typical forms as:
krudha (kope)- krudhyati
shudha (shauche) - shudhyati
For ShiDhu, it gives both sidhyati and siddhyati.
anachi cha (and jhalaam jash jashi ) would give siddhyati ,
kruddhyati, shuddhyati, correct? (I am just retracing the
suddhyupaasya example in yaN).
I have seen both kruddhyati and krudhyati being used.
Regarding Barthalomae's law - how does it map in terms of pratyaahaaras?
Naresh
vaak.wordpress.com
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Jay Vaidya <deejayvai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But my position has nothing to do with weak-strong verb/substantive or
> whatever.
>
> anachi cha 8.4.47
> describes optional ("preferable") duplication.
> sidhyanti/siddhyanti are optional forms.
>
> As far as we know, pANini had a wide knowledge of the optional forms of
> pronunciation at his time. And options obviously negate the existence of
> infallible laws regarding that particular word.
>
> But I add my curiosity regarding this "strong degree/weak degree
> Bartholomae's Law" notion. Apparently Bartholomae's law is:
> "It states that in a cluster of two or more obstruents (stops or the
> sibilant s), any one of which is a voiced aspirate anywhere in the sequence,
> the whole cluster becomes voiced and aspirated."
> What does this have to do with duplication?
>
> Dhananjay
>
> Message: 2
> From: Naresh Cuntoor <nares...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Learning Sanskrit by a fresh approach - Lesson
> ??? 4
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Piergiorgio Muzi
> <glob...@comm2000.it>wrote:
>
>>? Sorry, sidhyanti (not siddhyanti), week degree of the root is sidh-.
>> siddh- is only for past participle, siddha (< sidh-ta) and for substantive
>> siddhi (< sidh-ti). The same as budhyate, but buddha, buddhi...(it is so
>> called Bartholomae's law).
>> Thanks, regards,
>> Piergiorgio
>>
>>
>>
> Clearly, in the subhashita quoted, siddhyanti is used as a verb. (I don't
> know what a "week (or weak) degree" of a verb is. Could you please
> elaborate?)
>
> The dhaatu is Shidhu (????) ..
>
> Another example:,
> yatne kRute yadi na siddhyati ko&tra doShaH
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:40:29 +0530
From: "K.Srikumar" <phy...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Learning Sanskrit by a fresh approach - Lesson
4
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Hi abhyankar,
Mails get lost very easily. Could you put this in some blog or your personal
page and share the link?
It would be more organized, and easy to share too.
Just a suggestion.
If you have already shared any links for the same, my sincere apologies.
by(e)
S r i k u m a r
"......even this shall pass!"
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:35 AM, S. L. Abhyankar <sl.abhyan...@gmail.com>wrote:
> ???
>>> ?? ??????? ???? ?
>>> ??????????: ?????? ????????? ? ?????? ??????????? ??? ???? ????????????
>>> ?
>>>
>>> *
>>> Learning Sanskrit by a fresh approach
>>> Lesson 4
>>>
>>> Glossary 4
>>>
>>> No. English Sanskrit in
>>> transliteration Sanskrit in
>>> Devanagari 1by diligence, by industriousness udyamena ??????? 2of
>>> course, only, thus only hi ?? 3are accomplished siddhyanti ???????????
>>> 4tasks, missions kAryANi ???????? 5not na ? 6mind manaH ??? 7by
>>> chariots rathaiH ???? 8*by chariots of mind, by dreams mano-rathaiH
>>> ??????? 9(of) sleeping suptasya ???????? 10 lion's sinhasya ??????? 11
>>> enter pravishanti ?????????? 12into the mouth mukhe ???? 13deer (plural)
>>> mRugAH ?????
>>>
>>> We had the word ?????: in Lesson 2. Here it is ???????. Earlier the
>>> meaning was "diligence, industriousness". Here the meaning is "by
>>> indulgence, by industriousness". So the meaning of the preposition "by" is
>>> included in the meaning of this word "???????" here. Both the words "?????:"
>>> and "???????" are declined forms of the root word "?????". All nouns,
>>> pronouns and adjectives have declensions in different cases. Earlier in the
>>> glossaries in Lessons 1 and 2 had declensions of root word "???" as "???"
>>> and "???:" in Address case and Nominative case respectively. Here we have
>>> declensions in Nominative (called as "first case") and instrumental (called
>>> as "third case"). Cases are eight, from first to seventh and the address
>>> case. Cases second to seventh do the job of different propositions. The
>>> third case does the job of prepositions "by"and "with".
>>>
>>>
>>> Words (7) and (8) are also in third (instrumental) case. There also we
>>> have the preposition "by".
>>>
>>>
>>> Words (9) and (10) are in sixth (genitive, showing ownership) case which
>>> do the job of the preposition "of" or of the apostrophe in word (10).
>>>
>>>
>>> Word (12) is in seventh (locative) case, which does the function of
>>> prepositions "in", "into", "on", "upon", "above", "below", "under". All
>>> these prepositions show a location. So, the seventh case is the locative
>>> case.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nouns, pronouns and adjectives decline also by number - singular, dual,
>>> plural. We had "cloud rains" (singular), "cloud thunders" (singular),
>>> "gentleman does" (singular). We had "six exist"(plural). Here we have "tasks
>>> are accomplished" (plural) "deer enter" (plural).
>>>
>>>
>>> Verbs also have declensions, influenced by number. This is so in grammar
>>> of all languages, e.g. in English, "I am", "We are".
>>>
>>>
>>> Verbs also decline due to tense. So far we have all sentences in present
>>> tense. Verbs also decline by "person" e.g. "I am" (first person), "He is"
>>> (third person). So far we have all sentences in third person.
>>>
>>>
>>> We shall get to know various declensions of nouns, pronouns, adjectives
>>> and also of verbs, as we proceed. I have been thoughtfully selective in
>>> taking up the verses, so that, we shall have graded progress. That also
>>> merits appreciation, right ?
>>>
>>>
>>> And all this grammar does not, may not stop us from our learning the
>>> verses. It is being mentioned just for information. Let us get on with usual
>>> exercises of composing phrases, which help us to understand the meaning.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?? ??????????? ???????? ? ?????? ?
>>>
>>> ? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ????? ?
>>>
>>> ??????? ?? ??????????? ???????? ? ??????? ?
>>>
>>> ? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ????? ?
>>>
>>> There is only one conjugations in this whole verse. The conjugated
>>> phrases are marked by *
>>> (6) + (7) = (8) ??? + ???? = ???????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But here the two words have together become one word, a compound word.
>>>
>>>
>>> 14 together (as prefix)sam ???15 to be, to sit, to putAsaH ???16 put
>>> togethersamAsaH ?????17 compound wordsamAsaH ?????
>>>
>>>
>>> Even a word like ????? a compound word, which is a grammatical term has
>>> a derivation. Everything in Sanskrit has a logic and a structure. There is
>>> that finesse, the refinement, hence, Sanskrit !
>>>
>>> Well, ??? is a prefix. Every prefix has a meaning too ! ??? means
>>> together. There is another here ??? in ??????????. It is all
>>> interesting. But it will become digressing from our composing the verse and
>>> understanding its meaning.
>>>
>>> Exercises 4
>>> From the words 1 to 13 in the glossary, prepare the following phrases -
>>>
>>>
>>> No. Phrase Sanskrit in
>>> transliteration Sanskrit in
>>> Devanagari 1by diligence, only, are accomplished, tasks, __________
>>> __________ ___________ __________ __________ _________ 2 not, by
>>> dreams,
>>> __________ ___________ ________ __________ __________ ________ 3not,
>>> of course, of sleeping, lion's __________ __________ _________ __________
>>> __________ ________ 4 enter, into mouth, deer __________ __________
>>> _________ __________ __________ ________
>>>
>>>
>>> In the glossary, you have the word "not" only once. Actually we had this
>>> word earlier also. It is repeated here just for convenience. Word (2) has
>>> two different meanings and are judiciously put in phrases (1) and (3).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For the English word "does" we have in the glossary two Sanskrit words
>>> ?????? and ?????. They are interchangeable. Or even any one of the two
>>> can be used at both the places. But to keep the matter simple, in phrase 3,
>>> I have put "does" independently after "not". In phrase 4, I have put it
>>> together "does only" as in the glossary. Use the glossary. So you will know
>>> which fits better where.
>>>
>>>
>>> As usual, now you can write down two-two phrases in one line. By that it
>>> becomes a good two-line verse, a good saying a ????????? !!
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is, how it would read -
>>>
>>> ??????? ?? ??????????? ???????? ? ??????? ?
>>>
>>> ? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ????? ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In many a ????????? we shall find this style of a hypothesis and its
>>> proof by a commonplace example or an example and a moral therefrom. Isn't it
>>> all charming how the poets have thought of an example, derived a moral or a
>>> proof and put it all in a short, sweet verse !
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure you will like this good saying ????????? as well. Learn it by
>>> heart.
>>>
>>> ???????? |
>>>
>>> -o-O-o-
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>> ???????? ,
>> ?????????????????? ???????? |
>> S. L. Abhyankar
>> "God is ready to listen. Have I time to pray?
>> ?????? ?? ???? ???????????? ? ????? ????? ???? ??????????? ?"
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ???????? ,
> ?????????????????? ???????? |
> S. L. Abhyankar
> "God is ready to listen. Have I time to pray?
> ?????? ?? ???? ???????????? ? ????? ????? ???? ??????????? ?"
>
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:37:03 +0530
From: kamalesh pathak <kamleshsomn...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Font for displaying in Sanskrit
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sri Abhyankar mahodayah
krupayaa pratyuttaram maam prayachhchha ;
kah web address Barah pad download karaNAy?
( i want to download barah pad from net please send me web address )
namaskAra pUrvaka
jayatu somanaath mahAdevAy namah
truly with regards,
kamalesh pathak from Somnath
On 24 May 2010 00:20, S. L. Abhyankar <sl.abhyan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. T. N. Ahuja,
>
> I have found BARAHA pad very user-friendly. There is a Language button on
> the main menu. You can activate Sanskrit or any of the other Indian
> languages. You can switch between languages also.
>
> You type the English spelling and the "pad" converts into activated script
> automatically. For special characters, you can get guidance from the "Help"
> button.
>
> BARAHA pad can be downloaded free. Being a UNICODE font, it can be
> "copy-pasted"d into emails.
>
> But there is no Mac version. You will need a windows VMWare on Mac.
>
> Hope, this helps.
>
> ???????? ,
> ?????????????????? ???????? |
> ???????? ?????? ????????? ?
>
>
>
> 2010/5/23 <sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu>
>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 (T N Ahuja)
>> 2. Re: Learning Sanskrit by a fresh approach - Lesson 4
>> (Naresh Cuntoor)
>> 3. Re: Learning Sanskrit: a fresh approach (Shrinivas Tilak)
>> 4. Re: A good charming list of some 115 idioms, phrases and
>> proverbs in Sanskrit (sudhindra gargesa)
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: T N Ahuja <tnah...@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
>> Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:20:12 +0000 (GMT)
>> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10
>> Could you please let me know the font used to display sanskrit quotes in
>> your emails
>> Regards
>>
>> Triloki N. AHUJA
>> e-mail: tnah...@yahoo.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:49:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Krishnamachary <vedantham_kris...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Font for displaying in Sanskrit
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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Google transliterate tool is much more versatile and could be used for almost
all Indian languages..You can place it as a tool in Yahoo mail page also.It can
be easily picked up from google search engine
Mr.V.Krishnamachary
Retired Civil Engineer
Samskrutha Abhimaani
Email: vedantham_kris...@yahoo.com
--- On Tue, 5/25/10, kamalesh pathak <kamleshsomn...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: kamalesh pathak <kamleshsomn...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Font for displaying in Sanskrit
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 7:07 AM
sri Abhyankar mahodayah
krupayaa pratyuttaram maam prayachhchha ;
kah web address Barah pad download karaNAy?
( i want to download barah pad from net please send me web address )
namaskAra pUrvaka?
jayatu somanaath mahAdevAy namah
truly with regards,
kamalesh pathak from Somnath
On 24 May 2010 00:20, S. L. Abhyankar <sl.abhyan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. T. N. Ahuja,
I have found BARAHA pad very user-friendly. There is a Language button on the
main menu. You can activate Sanskrit or any of the other Indian languages. You
can switch between languages also.
You type the English spelling and the "pad" converts into activated script
automatically. For special characters, you can get guidance from the "Help"
button.
BARAHA pad can?be?downloaded?free.?Being a UNICODE font, it can be
"copy-pasted"d into emails.?
But?there?is?no?Mac?version. You will need a windows VMWare on Mac.
Hope, this helps.
???????? ,
?????????????????? ???????? |
???????? ?????? ????????? ?
2010/5/23 <sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu>
Today's Topics:
? 1. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 (T N Ahuja)
? 2. Re: Learning Sanskrit by a fresh approach - Lesson 4
? ? ?(Naresh Cuntoor)
? 3. Re: Learning Sanskrit: a fresh approach (Shrinivas Tilak)
? 4. Re: A good charming list of some 115 idioms, ? ? ?phrases and
? ? ?proverbs in Sanskrit (sudhindra gargesa)
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To:?sansk...@cs.utah.edu
Date:?Sat, 22 May 2010 16:20:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject:?Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10
Could you please let me know the font used to display sanskrit quotes in your
emails
Regards
?Triloki N. AHUJA
e-mail: tnah...@yahoo.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:20:28 -0700
From: Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krish...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Font for displaying in Sanskrit
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namaste,
> Google transliterate tool is much more versatile
Are you referring to the Google IME? It is very nice, but there is one
problem that prevents me from using it at all. It doesn't allow me to enter
words that are not found in its dictionary. If you have found a way around
this, can you please share the details?
As an example, try typing "patram" without an anusvAra.
bhavadiiyaH,
ajit
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Krishnamachary <
vedantham_kris...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Google transliterate tool is much more versatile and could be used for
> almost all Indian languages..You can place it as a tool in Yahoo mail page
> also.It can be easily picked up from google search engine
>
> Mr.V.Krishnamachary
> Retired Civil Engineer
> Samskrutha Abhimaani
> Email: vedantham_kris...@yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 5/25/10, kamalesh pathak <kamleshsomn...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: kamalesh pathak <kamleshsomn...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Font for displaying in Sanskrit
> To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 7:07 AM
>
>
> sri Abhyankar mahodayah
> krupayaa pratyuttaram maam prayachhchha ;
> kah web address Barah pad download karaNAy?
> ( i want to download barah pad from net please send me web address )
> namaskAra pUrvaka
> jayatu somanaath mahAdevAy namah
> truly with regards,
> kamalesh pathak from Somnath
>
> On 24 May 2010 00:20, S. L. Abhyankar
> <sl.abhyan...@gmail.com<http://us.mc355.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sl.abhyan...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr. T. N. Ahuja,
>>
>> I have found BARAHA pad very user-friendly. There is a Language button on
>> the main menu. You can activate Sanskrit or any of the other Indian
>> languages. You can switch between languages also.
>>
>> You type the English spelling and the "pad" converts into activated script
>> automatically. For special characters, you can get guidance from the "Help"
>> button.
>>
>> BARAHA pad can be downloaded free. Being a UNICODE font, it can be
>> "copy-pasted"d into emails.
>>
>> But there is no Mac version. You will need a windows VMWare on Mac.
>>
>> Hope, this helps.
>>
>> ???????? ,
>> ?????????????????? ???????? |
>> ???????? ?????? ????????? ?
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/5/23
>> <sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu<http://us.mc355.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sanskrit-requ...@cs.utah.edu>
>> >
>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 (T N Ahuja)
>>> 2. Re: Learning Sanskrit by a fresh approach - Lesson 4
>>> (Naresh Cuntoor)
>>> 3. Re: Learning Sanskrit: a fresh approach (Shrinivas Tilak)
>>> 4. Re: A good charming list of some 115 idioms, phrases and
>>> proverbs in Sanskrit (sudhindra gargesa)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: T N Ahuja
>>> <tnah...@yahoo.co.uk<http://us.mc355.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnah...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> >
>>> To:
>>> sanskrit@cs.utah.edu<http://us.mc355.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sansk...@cs.utah.edu>
>>> Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:20:12 +0000 (GMT)
>>> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10
>>> Could you please let me know the font used to display sanskrit quotes
>>> in your emails
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Triloki N. AHUJA
>>> e-mail:
>>> tnah...@yahoo.co.uk<http://us.mc355.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnah...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:46:35 +0200
From: Ramakrishna Upadrasta <uramakris...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Font for displaying in Sanskrit
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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namaste,
I found the following transliterate tool quite useful.
http://www.ibiblio.org/sanskrit/tools/sanscript
namaste
Ramakrishna
2010/5/25 Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krish...@gmail.com>
> namaste,
>
> > Google transliterate tool is much more versatile
>
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:52:31 -0400
From: "S. L. Abhyankar" <sl.abhyan...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] ?????? ????????? ????? ?
To: Prakash Kulkarni <pgku...@yahoo.com>
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??????? "?????? ????????" ?????,
????????? ???? ??????? ?
?? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????, ?????? "????????..."-??? ? ????? ????? ????? ????
??? ???????? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ??? ????????? ? ???? ?????? ??? ????
"????????????? ?????????? ????? ?" ??? ?????? ????????? ???? ??? ?
??????? ????? ?????? ????????????? ?
??? "?????" ????? ???????? ?????????? ????????, ???????????? ??????? ???
????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ?
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2010/5/25 Prakash Kulkarni <pgku...@yahoo.com>
> Dear Shri Abhyankarji,
>
> A small correction.....the first letter in ' Iyamadhik .." is not L but
> capital i. The confusion has occurred because, I am not as quick in using
> devnagari font and am not following your nice convention of using small and
> capital letters to convey correct Sanskrit phonetics.
>
> To add to your informative comment on the word tanvi......
>
> Kalidasa uses the word tanvi in Meghadootam in a nice shloka when the
> Yaksha describes his beautiful wife to Megha so that he could recognise her.
>
> " Tanvi , shyama, shikharidashana, pakvabimbadharoshthi,
>
> Madhye kshama, chakitharinilochana, nimnanabhihi
>
> Shronibharadalasagamana, stoka namra stanabhyam
>
> Ya manye syat yuvativishaye srushtiradyeva dhatuhu "
>
> Best regards,
>
> PGK
>
> --- On *Sun, 5/23/10, S. L. Abhyankar <sl.abhyan...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: S. L. Abhyankar <sl.abhyan...@gmail.com>
> Subject: ????????? ????????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ????????? ?????? ???
> ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? |
> To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
> Cc: "PG Kulkarni" <pgku...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 9:06 PM
>
>
> ???????? "????? ?????" ??? ???????? "?????? ????????"-???????????? ????????
> ????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ?????????
> ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ?
>
> A good charming list of some 116 idioms, phrases and proverbs ! I have
> tried to give my own translations and also some appending comments.
>
>
>
> 1. ??????????????? (= ??????????? ??????) = Familiarity breads
> contempt. Beginning of a ????????? "??????????????? ?????????????? ???? ?
> ???? ????????????? ??????????????????? ?????? ?" meaning, "Familiarity
> breads contempt and frequenting brings disrespect. (For example) a tribal
> woman in Malay mountains would burn sandalwood as firewood."
> 2. ??????? ??????? = Greed will kill (is poison)
> 3. ??? ??????? ???????? = Excess of anything is bad
> 4. ??? ?????? ? ???????? = Too much hankering is bad
> 5. ??????? ????? ???? = More the merrier
> 6. ???????????? ?? ????? = Codes should not be transcended
> 7. ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? = Time is short and obstacles are many.
> 8. ??????????? ???????? = Trading in non-tradeables. In
> ???????????????? "???????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?" This is only
> line which is repeated ditto in the whole of ???????????????? first at 3-35
> and also at 18-47. It is that important. It means, "It is advisable to be
> with one's own inherent character, howsoever unimpressive. (Thinking of
> adopting) character of others is frightful."
> 9. ?????? ???? ????? = Non-violence is the supreme code of conduct
> 10. ?????? ???? = Unattainable gain, A windfall. For example, being
> able to meet a dignitary, whom you would have never dreamt of being able to
> meet, becomes an unattainable gain, a windfall.
> 11. ?????? ????? ?? ??????????????????? ?? (???????????????????
> =??????????? ?????????) = Good or bad, can anyone avoid or evade the
> destiny? In Hindi, ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?
> 12. ????? ?? ???? ???????? ?????? = Money only is the true friend.
> 13. ???????????? ?????????? ?????? = Personality of a crane, but looks
> of (hovering eyesight like that of) a crow
> 14. ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????? (=???? ??????) ???????????? = Hate
> the Moneys which prove troublesome whether by income or outgo
> 15. ?????? ???????? ????? ? ??????? = Sugarcane, even if it is sweet is
> not to be eaten along with its roots.
> 16. ??? ???? ??????? = This side a dug well and that side a trench
> 17. ??? ??????? ??? ??????? = Unethical here, unethical there
> 18. ?????????? ?????? = God's will prevails
> 19. ??????????? ????????? ?????????? ??????? = Dreams of the poor crop
> up and vanish
> 20. ???????????? ??? ?????? = People are given to festivities
> 21. ????????? ?????????????? (= ??????? ?? ?????? ????????) = Use a
> thorn to remove a thorn
> 22. ???????? ????????? = Keep company of the noble. In ???????? ???????
> says, "?????? ???? ????????? ????? ????????" It means, "Better to seek
> prayers of the better ones, even if they may not fructify, than to seek
> from
> the mean ones, even if they may have better chance of getting fulfilled."
> 23. ???? ??? ? ???????? = Is there anything that is beyond the
> imagination of poets?
> 24. ??????????????????? ???? ?????? ??????? = Intelligent people engage
> themselves in poetry, sciences, entertainment. An interesting quote in
> similar vein is, "The knowledgeable ones discuss thoughts, commoners
> discuss
> events, the unintelligent discuss people."
> 25. ????? ????? ??? = Time and tide wait for none. In similar vein, ?
> ????? ??????? meaning, "Time is the best healer."
> 26. ????? ?? ???????? ?????? ?????????? (?????????? = ? + ????????? or
> = ? + ?????????) = ? Thanks to Mr. P. G. Kulkarni for explaining that this
> quotation is the last line in a shloka in ????????????????? by ???????
> ????????| The shloka is - ??????????????? ????????? ??????
> (Sarasijamanuviddham shaivalenapi ramyam) meaning, "Lotus surrounded even
> by
> moss has its own charm", ??????? ??????????????? ???????? ????? ?
> (Malinamapi himanshorlaksma lakshmeem tanoti) meaning, "The dark area of
> moon, even when dusky, shows forth the beauty (provides the backdrop for
> moon's) beauty "????????????? ?????????? ????? (Iyamadhik manojna
> valkalenapi tanvee) meaning, "This petite girl is more attractive even with
> valkal", ????? ?? ???????? ?????? ?????????? to be paraphrased as ????????
> ???????? ????? ?? ?????? ? whatever can not become an adornment for one,
> who
> has inherent beauty of one's own ? There is an interesting experience
> connected with the word ????? Some 20 years back, a friend of mine had
> thought of naming his daughter as ?????. But he did not know its
> meaning. He asked me. I too looked up in Apte's dictionary and found that
> it
> is a word from abhidnyAnashAkuntalam by kAlidAsa, and is used by the great
> poet to describe the beauty of ShakuntalA. Now we have the complete
> shloka!!
> My friend's "tanvee" is of course a charming young girl now !!
> 27. ????? ?? ???????????????? (= ??????? ??????????) = What is
> impossible for the heartless?
> 28. ???????????? ??????????? = What of sweets to donkeys and pigs? In
> Marathi, ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ? means, "What taste donkeys have for
> jaggery
> ?"
> 29. ?????? ??? ? ????????? = What can not be achieved by pardon ? or
> What cannot be achieved by saying "sorry" ?
> 30. ?????? ???? ?? ?????????? ??????? = If one trouble succeeds in
> troubling, it keeps coming back in newer forms. In similar vein,
> ?????????????? ????? ?????? means, "Once there is a hole, drains increase."
> 31. ??? ? ??????? = Let bygone be bygone.
> 32. ?????????? ???? ? ??????? ??????????? = People conduct rooted in
> conventions. Rarely there is anyone, who seeks the supreme meaning.
> 33. ???? ?????? ???? = This is last part in a shloka in
> ???????????????? ?????? ????? ????????? ????????? ? ???????? ? ?????????
> ????????? ???? ?????? ???? ??-??? meaning, "It becomes a matter of very
> deep
> thinking to understand what Karma is. It is to be understood by Karma, as
> it presents itself , also by its anti-theses and also by its non-being."
> 34. ????? ??????? ????????? = Virtues are respected everywhere.
> 35. ?????????????????? ??????? ? ?????? ? = Sorrows and happiness keep
> coming and going in cyclic order as a turning wheel. This quotation is, I
> think, from "svapnavaasavadattam" by dramatist Bhaasa. The quotation at #57
> has almost identical meaning and is from ???????? by ???????
> 36. ???? ??????????? ?????????? ?????? = Mother and motherland are more
> respectable than even heaven. (Source ?) Thanks to Mr. Krishna Kauhsik for
> giving all the hint that this quotation is part of a shloka in Valmiki's
> RaamaayaNam. The complete shloka is ??? ????????? ????? ? ?? ???????
> ????? ? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ?????? ?. After vanquishing RaavaNa, at
> the request of VibheeShaNa, RAma and lakmaNa pay a visit to Lanka. They are
> almost overwhelmed by the grandeur. However, recomposing himself RAma says
> this shloka to LaxmaNa, which means, "Even though Lanka is gold-laden (and
> glittering), LaxmaNa, for me, mother and motherland are more cherished than
> even heaven (what then of LankA?)
> 37. ??????????????? ?????? ??????? ??? = Drops fill up a pitcher. In
> Hindi it is exactly translated as ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?? In Marathi ?????
> ????? ??? ???? means, "drop by drop it becomes a lake"
> 38. ???? ?????? ?????? = Lives survive, one on another. Another version
> of this is ???? ?????? ?????? means "one life is food of another."
> 39. ???????? ???????? ????????? ???? = Relationship severed, quarrel
> pacified. In Marathi, "?? ???, ??? ?????" means "One stroke, two pieces!!"
> 40. ?????????? ????? ????? = Dharma i.e. righteous conduct is the
> guiding light, beacon, in all three worlds (here, in nether world and in
> heaven)
> 41. ??????? ????? ???? ???????? ???? ???????? = Difficult i.e. not in
> everyone's luck to be borne in India. It is further difficult to born as a
> human being.
> 42. ????? ??????? ?????? = Mountains are beautiful from a distance. In
> Marathi, this is exactly translated as ????? ????? ?????
> 43. ???????? ????? ???? = All can be commanded by wealth
> 44. ????? ?????? ?????? = Religion is a friend of the dead (?)
> 45. ????? ?? ???????????? (???????????? = ?????? ?????) = The bold
> conquer obstacles
> 46. ?????? ??????? ????? = There is no religion equal to the Truth
> 47. ? ??????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ???? = It is no use digging a
> well when the house is on fire
> 48. ? ???? ? ???????? = Hasn't been, shall not be. The phrase is used
> to describe an unparalleled event or person. For example, a Mahatma like
> Gandhi has not been, shall not be.
> 49. ? ?? ??????? ????? ????????? ??????? = There is nothing as
> sacrosanct as (true) knowledge. This is first line in a shloka in
> ???????????????? where the second line is ???????? ??????????? ???????????
> ??????? ||?-??||
> 50. ? ??????? ???? ????? = There is no happiness more sublime than
> peace
> 51. ????????? ???????? ???????? ????? = Hiding the hen cannot stop the
> sun from rising
> 52. ??????????? ???? ???????? = What use is putting oil in a lamp,
> where the flame is put out ? Locking the stable after the horse is stolen.
> 53. ??????????? ???? ????????? ????????? = In a plant-less desert, even
> a shrub of castor looks like a (banyan) tree.
> 54. ??????????? ???? ???? = To a person, who has transcended all
> desires, the whole world is but a blade of grass.
> 55. ? ?????????????? ???????? ????? = The determined never halt until
> they achieve their goals. Last line of a ????????? by ????????,
> ????????????????????????? ???? ? ? ?????? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ???? ?
> ??????????????? ? ? ?????????????????????? ????? ? (????????? - ??)
> meaning,
> "(When they were churning the ocean,) the Gods were not satisfied with all
> the "jewels" that sprouted out, nor were they deterred by poison. They did
> not think of any rest until they got the nectar. Because the determined
> never halt until they achieve their goals.
> 56. ????????? ???? ????? =Can a poor be happy ?
> 57. ????????????????? ? ??? ?????????????? = Our conditions go
> cyclically up and down like the spokes of a wheel. See #35 also.
> 58. ??????? ?????? = Other's sorrow is cool (is no sorrow).
> 59. ??????????????? ?????? = This body is for service unto others
> 60. ???????? ??????????? = Sporting wisdom in advising others
> 61. ????????? ???? ??????? = Lives of the noble are for gracing others
> 62. ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ????????? = You may wash coal again
> and again, but it will never become white.
> 63. ?????? ?????? ??????????? = Many people, many minds. Literally,
> every brain has a different mind. This line is actually the beginning of a
> ?????????. The other lines are ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ? ???? ???? ???????
> ???
> ???? ???? ???? ? meaning "every pond has different water, every community
> has its own rituals, every mouth has different speech."
> 64. ????????????? ???????? ??????? = Lamp of knowledge is lit
> 65. ??????????? ??????????? = Find a fly in the first sip.
> 66. ????????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? = There are only three
> true jewels - water, food and good sayings. This line is actually the first
> line of a ?????????. The other line is ????? ???????????? ??????????
> ???????
> meaning, "fools call bits of stone as jewels."
> 67. ??????? ????????? ???????? = A person slow of hearing is better
> than a deaf. In Marathi there is a proverb, "??????? ????? ??? ?????"
> meaning, "A lame cow is yet wiser in a herd of calves"
> 68. ?????????? ?????????? = For the good of many, for happiness of
> many.
> 69. ???????? ???????? = Earth is a treasure of jewels.
> 70. ??????? ????? ???? = Crying is the strength (weapon) of children
> (to get, what they want).
> 71. ??????? ????????????? = Actions cultivate the intellect.
> 72. ???????????? ??? ???? = He is strong, who has intelligence. "Pen is
> mightier than the sword" sounds synonymous.
> 73. ????? ???????? ????????? ????? = Gods! May we get to listen only
> good things by our ears!! The Shaanti-mantra of many stotras, e.g.
> ????????????????????? and others, especially those corollary to
> Atharva-Veda
> begin with this phrase. The next phrase is ? ????? ?????????????????????
> meaning "May we get to see, after our prayers, only good and benevolent
> things by our eyes". These two phrases bring to mind idols of three monkeys
> one having eyes shut, another having ears shut and the third having mouth
> shut." Monkeys represent human mind, which is so much susceptible to
> slightest of distractions, hence needs restraint. Rightly hence, ????????
> ????? in his ??????????? gives right the first ??????? as ????
> ????????????????? ? - really a definition of yoga that "yoga is in getting
> command over waverings of the mind" ???? ????????????????? ? becomes a
> quotation by itself, which merits to be added to this list. See 116.
> 74. ?????? ??????????? ???????? ??????? = Providence provides doors
> (openings, opportunities) all over. You should have the vision to see them
> and alertness to grab them.
> 75. ????????????? ???? = People have different tastes. This fact of
> difference in tastes ?????????: has been very beautifully employed by the
> great poet ??????? in ?????????????????? saying, "????????????????? ?????
> ?????? ?????? ????????? ? ???????????????????????? ???????? ??????? ??????
> ?
> ?????????????????? ???????? ??????? ??????? ? ?????? ????????????????
> ???????????? ????????? ?" meaning, "The Muni's say, (a drama) is a divine
> ceremony very dear to Gods. By his communion with Uma, Rudra put it forth
> in
> two aspects (laasya and taaNDava) by division of his own body. Likes and
> dislikes of people are seen to be different as they show different shades
> of
> the three characteristics (sattva, rajas and taamas). Yet a (good) drama
> would give enjoyment to all."
> 76. ??? ??????? ?????????? ????? ?? ??????? = Has honey on the tip of
> the tongue, but poison in the heart.
> 77. ??? ???? ???????? = Act by your own discretion.
> 78. ??????????????? ??????? = Dreams know no holds.
> 79. ???? ???????? ????????? = Death is natural to everyone born. A good
> way to give solace to the ones bereaved by the death of near and dear ones.
> See, also in ????????????????, "?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ... ??-???
> meaning,
> "what is born, will die."
> 80. ?????? ??? ??? ? ?????? = Two different meanings of this. (1) Great
> are those who followed this path (2) That should be the path, by which the
> great ones went. In meaning (1) "this path" means the path in search of the
> ultimate truth. This quotation is Yudhishthir's answer to one of the 30-odd
> questions asked by Yaksha the ????????????
> 81. ???????????? ?????????? ?????? = Once efforts are undertaken, they
> will succeed. "Try and try forever and you will succeed." Nearly 400 years
> ago, Saint rAmadAsa, precept of Chhatrapati ShivAji wrote in his dAsabodha,
> ???????? ??? ??? ?? ? ??? ?????? ?????? ? meaning, "First do it, only then
> things will happen."
> 82. ???????? ?? = Be one who would respect mother as God. I would
> consider ???????? i.e. ???????: as a compound word ???? ?? ???? ????? ??
> (??????? ????????? ????)
> 83. ???????? ?? = As above, "Be one who would respect father as God"
> 84. ?????????? ?? = As above, "Be one who would respect teacher the
> preceptor as God"
> 85. ????????? ?? = As above, "Be one who would respect a guest (an
> uninvited guest also) as God" ?????: is actually ????? ? (?????) ???? ?? -
> (??? ????????? ????) one who does not come by an appointment, so ?????: =
> uninvited guest
> 86. ???? ?????????????????? = Fools (people of low intellect) will only
> follow. Only intelligent one can lead.
> 87. ???????? ???????? = Softness is encompassing. Most true of softness
> of speech. Have harsh words ever helped anybody?
> 88. ???? ?????????????? = Silence is golden
> 89. ??? ???? ????????? = As you sow, sow you reap. See also 94.
> 90. ??? ???? ??? ????? = As the king, so the subjects. Almost identical
> is ???? ?????? ?????? = Responsibility will finally vest with king (the
> chief executive) In ???????????????? also "?????????? ???????? ???????????
> ??? ? ? ??? ??????? ??????????????? ??-???
> 91. ????? ????? ???????? = Garbage in garbage out. Last phrase in a
> ????????? "???????? ???????? ???? ???????????? ? ???????? ????????? ..
> meaning Think of a monkey, gets drunk, is bitten by a scorpion and is
> further afflicted by a ghost.. the result is anybody's guess!
> 92. ????? ????? ???? = Speaks whatever!
> 93. ????? ????? ???????? ??????????????????? = Like dogs, a beggar
> purrs at another beggar. There is another ????????? ??? ??????? ??????
> ?????
> ? ?? ??????? ? ???????????????? ??? ???? ? ????? ? meaning, "A crow crows
> to call other crows. But one beggar does not call another. Between crows
> and
> beggars, the crow seem to be the better ones!
> 94. ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? = As you sow, sow you reap. See
> also 89.
> 95. ?? ?????????? ? ??????? = One who exemplifies by own conduct is
> really the knowledgeable.
> 96. ???????? ??? ????? = "War-stories are entertaining." What if you
> have to yourself go to the battle-front?
> 97. ??? ??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ????? = Do anything to become
> known ? The previous line is ??? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ??????????
> ??????????? break the pots, tear the clothes or bray like a donkey. ... Do
> anything to become known
> 98. ?????????? ??????? = Good managers are rare. ????: actually means
> "one, who implants", e.g. a guru. Actually the disciple also has to be a
> worthy disciple. Guru also gets real satisfaction when the disciple is as
> good. This is well-stated by ?????? ??????? in ?????????????????? in a
> shloka ??????????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ? ?????
> ???????????? ??????????? ??????? ? meaning, "Art manifests itself with
> different quality, when embedded in a special entity. For example,
> rain-drops falling in a sea-shell can become a pearl (not rain-drops
> falling
> anywhere)."
> 99. ???? ?????? ?????? = Responsibility will finally vest with king
> (the chief executive)
> 100. ????? ?????? = I bow to Mother. Composed by Bankim Chandra
> Chatterjee in his novel (?). This became an inspirational quotation for
> many
> Indian freedom-fighters. Two stanzas of the song are accorded the status of
> national song of India.
> 101. ????? ?????????? = One in ten thousand may be a good speaker. If
> oratory is a Siddhi, an accomplishment, in gItA similar proportion is
> mentioned of commoners and accomplishers. In seventh chapter it is said,
> ?????????? ???????? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????????
> ?????? ???????? ? One in a thousand may strive for accomplishment. Among
> those who strive, rarely one knows Me fundamentally (correct).
> 102. ???? ??? ???????? = Why have poverty in speech?
> 103. ???????? ??????? ??????? = The magi are respected everywhere. Last
> phrase in a ????????? where it is also mentioned ???? ??????? ???? meaning,
> a king is respected in his own country
> 104. ????????? ?????????????? = Wealth of knowledge is the most
> precious wealth
> 105. ????????? ????????????? = In bad times, all discretion is lost.
> 106. ??? ????? ??????? = Tit for tat
> 107. ?????????? ??? ?????????? = Doing any good work demands, first and
> foremost, physical fitness
> 108. ???? ??? ?????? = Character is the most precious ornament. This
> was the motto of our high school in Jamkhandi. Last phrase in a ?????????
> "?????????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ????????? ..."
> 109. ???????? ????? ??????? = May you have a safe journey. KaNva munee
> to Shakuntalaa in ?????????????????
> 110. ???? ???? = May everything be fine
> 111. ??????? ???? ??????? = Inscription on India's emblem. ???? ??
> ?????? ... ????????? ??? ???
> 112. ????? ??????? ?????? = Truth is the right ornament for the throat
> (neck). Part of a ?????????
> 113. ????????????? ????? = Easier said than done. ????? ???? "?????
> ????? ???????????" meaning, "knowledge of bramha (good) to tell to others"
> 114. ?????? ??????????? = Together we prosper. Panchatatra story of
> Birds caught in a net fly carrying the net itself
> 115. ??????? ?????????? = Basic character is difficult to change.
> "Habits die hard"! ????? ???? "???? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????." If you burn
> twisted rope, it will burn. But the ash also will be seen lying with all
> the twists !
> 116. ???? ????????????????? = right the first ??????? in ???????????
> of ???????? ????? This is really the definition of yoga. It means, "Yoga is
> getting command over the mind." This is precisely what is elaborated by
> bhagawAn kRuShNa, especially in the sixth chapter. Arjuna is overwhelmed by
> such elaboration and wonders whether it is really possible. ?????? ?? ???
> ????? ??????? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?
> meaning, "mind is known to be fickle and it would waver. To try to control
> is almost like trying to control the wind! bhagawAn kRuShNa agrees ??????
> ??????? ??? ??????????? ???? still says, ???????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?
> ??????? ? meaning, "by practice and by detachment, it can be controlled"
> People do some yogAsanAni every day and proudly claim that they do yoga
> every day. Neither the strain of ego nor just doing the AsanAni is yoga
> really!
>
>
> ???????? ?
>
>
>
> --
> ???????? ,
> ?????????????????? ???????? |
> ???????? ?????? ????????? ?
>
>
>
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