Am Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:34:06 +0900 (JST) schrieb Teika Kazura <[email protected]>:
> On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:30:30 +0200, Christopher Roy Bratusek wrote: > > Teika suggested rename-window to rewrite _NET_WM_VISIBLE_NAME rather > > than _NET_WM_NAME. But: this does have no effect here. > > Theory first: Ewmh specifies that _NET_WM_VISIBLE_NAME is set by the > WM if the WM "changes" a window's name, like "xterm <1>". On the other > hand, WM_NAME and _NET_WM_NAME are set by clients, not WMs, but > rename-window breaks this. It is implied pagers should respect > _NET_WM_VISIBLE_NAME over WM_NAME / _NET_WM_NAME. (Ewmh says "allowing > pager to display...") > > Your observation shows that GNOME / KDE / ... pagers (you mean > trayers?) Pagers. > don't follow ewmh, i.e., they've got a bug. It's too hackish > to check the DE and change the behavior to kill their bug in Sawfish > (javascript?). Anyway DE check is not a safe detection of trayers. Right, but I thought "better than nothing". > Sawfish is already breaking ewmh in this respect, too, so simply > adding _NET_WM_VISIBLE_NAME suffices here, as a practical solution. Yep, I know we break it. I don't understand why the user isn't allowed to change the name of a window. Of course it's useless for stuff like media-players or browsers, but for others it might help. > So please revert 3b72e3. Anyway it can't be included in 1.7.1. > A strict solution is more difficult. (I don't enlarge on it now.) Well since you finally got me, I'll release 1.7.0.1 today and adjust the function in 1.7.1 > Ah, which was ineffective exactly? _NET_WM_VISIBLE_NAME only, or > _NET_WM_NAME either? _VISIBLE_NAME was completely ineffective, _NET_WM_NAME was adopted by Sawfish. But I haven't checked whether SawfishPager accepts _VISIBLE_NAME > Thank you very much for your work. > Teika (Teika kazura) Regards, Chris
