Gary McGraw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 > I wrote a book with viega a few years ago called "building secure
 > software"...

Yes, John gave us all copies.  Didn't bother to get it autographed though.  :-)

 > it was not about that company (at all).

It certainly was not about the horribly broken software I spent months banging 
my head against a wall trying to fix....  :-(

 > P.s. I actually like ivan's quip as reported by crispy.

Me too.  It contains the ideas I was trying to convey, more clearly, but it's 
still too long to fit on a bumper sticker.  :-)


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