> Just remember, they are talking about the Corporate level, and to 
> whom 
> coursing should report to.  They have decided that Coursing is not 
> regulated 
> at that level.  So, each Kingdom decides what office They want it to 
> belong 
> to.  Which is why Trimaris' program is a part of the Marshal's 
> Office.
> 
> Randwulf
> Kingdom Marshal of the Hunt, Trimaris

And so too remain the hounds in the Kingdom of Artemisia. It goes like
this:
1. Minister of the Royal Stables of Artemisia: the Kingdom Equestrian
Officer as deputy to the Earl Marshal overseeing all animal activities
within the kingdom used in the reenactment of pre-17th century life
involving the hunt, joust/carousel and/or wartime training.
2. Regent of the Hound: deputy to the MOTRS overseeing all hounds related
activities, their safety and education and making of kennel
mistresses/masters.
3. Regent of the Horse: is the MOTRS overseeing all horse related
activities, their safety and education, and making of Equestrian
Marshals.
4. Regent of the Hawk: deputy to the MOTRS overseeing al hawking and
falconry activities, their safety and education.

Consider that much of what we do in the SCA has no real representation in
history... Lords and Ladys were much above Mistresses and Masters in
period. Knights were not separated into Laurels, Pelicans and the
Chivalry. It's the SCA, what can I say? And, in the SCA we have no
peasants, plagues and prisons. So there is a lot of good in the current
middle ages. Please don't take this as a rant.

Historically, those persons overseeing animal activities would be
mareschals and those overseeing laws (visualize the insurance guidelines
here) would be called constables. Now would anyone here like to see your
kingdom constable oversee the legal representation of your hound
activities... current vaccinations, safety guidelines for camping, etc?
Not me. I believe the kingdom stables office is the perfect place. The
office is already animal oriented and prepared to handle marshaled
activities and these marshals are deputies to the office. It is easy to
bring in the hounds with lure-operators... a marshal of sorts... into the
fold. We call them kennel mistress/masters in our kingdom. 

Yes, the historical peasants kept their hogs and chickens out the back
door (garbage disposables) and flocks of sheep on the hill side, but more
than likely only one side of the village/shire/barony was home to the
stables, kennels and mews. And, those critters kept in the stables,
kennels and mews belonged to the nobles ruling the village/shire/barony.
Therefore, I believe a more accurate representation of times past might
be one office (group of like minded people on the same side) overseeing
all animal activities. This office should have deputies in each of the
areas of expertise... see above example.  IMO, this is an Earl Marshal
office onto itself and one of the reasons I believe the equestrian
activities should come out from under the Earl Marshal's office. But,
that is another subject, one of which I will not address in this post.

I will say here that  I believe all of our play in the SCA is related to
Art and all of what we do  fits somewhere in the A&S department. That
said I believe that like  the horse activities, the hound activities need
to be represented by a marshal of sorts, for the mere reason that we must
deal with safety and health.

Yasmeena



> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:46 PM
> Subject: [SCA_Coursing] Atenveldt Pack (was BoD minutes on hounds)
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/5/2005 10:25:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard 
> Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > Thanks  for posting that. It looks like no one wants to have 
> coursing
> > in their  division as Marshals said to put it under A&S and the 
> A&S
> > said 'No  thanks!'. Guess we're on our own then?
> >
> >
> >
> > All the better -- We can do more that way, looks like.  I am all 
> for  an
> > Atenveldt Pack who will ROCK the West.  We'll be so cool, people 
> will 
> > PRETEND
> > THEY HAVE HOUNDS just to get into our group (I even know some guys 
>  who 
> > THINK
> > THEY are hounds... lol)!  Fionnghuala, I'll write to you later  
> this 
> > weekend and
> > we'll make some intermediary plans for the scope of our group  and 
> 
> > recruitment
> > issues.  I have some awesome stuff sent to me by a variety  of 
> people we 
> > can
> > use to organize our efforts.  Thank you to everyone who  has been 
> *so*
> > helpful!  Will write more later...
> >
> > ;>
> >
> > Jami'a
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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"The Equestrian Mistress"
Minister of the Royal Stables of Artemisia 
Mounted Companion of the Lance of St. Anne 
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