Topic 8. Re: Translations? (Alexander Wagner)
Please, send me the files needing translation to Portuguese BR and i'll
complete them.
Every time you have the need for translation, let me know. I'm glad to help.
Kind regards,
Gilberto Peres
gilberto.pe...@gmail.com
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> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:45:01 +0100
> From: "Gerd Lorscheid" <gerd.lorsch...@onlinehome.de>
> Subject: Re: [Scid-users] [SPAM?]: Re: ScidBase?
> To: "'Gerd Lorscheid'" <gerd.lorsch...@onlinehome.de>, "'J. Wesley
> Cleveland'" <j.wesley.clevel...@gmail.com>,
> <scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
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> Hello,
>
> this here is really funny to read. There are no copyrights on chess games.
> So what you can do is order Bigbase for 50 Euro from Chessbase and you have
> pretty good edited 4.500.000 games. Bigbase has no annotations, which have
> copyrights. You can convert them to .si4 and distribute them. Nothing else
> Chessbase is doing. For sure they did not enter 4.500.000 games (4.500.000
> games * 5 minutes per game * 12 Euro per hour == 4.500.000 Euro).
> It look like you try to walk to the moon but have entered a apple tree
> happy to have done the first step.
>
> By the way: I have entered Zurich Candidates 1953 to pay my Chessbase
> license 25 years ago.
>
> Gerd
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: J. Wesley Cleveland [mailto:j.wesley.clevel...@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Januar 2011 20:22
> An: scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: [SPAM?]: Re: [Scid-users] ScidBase?
>
> > From: Chris Lott <ch...@chrislott.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Scid-users] ScidBase?
> > To: Alexander Wagner <a.wag...@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
> > Cc: Scid Users List <scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net>, Chris Lott
> > <chris.l...@gmail.com>
> > Message-ID:
> > <aanlktinhd4b=tzvft8t3q5b8hmv1w6=rffxmaissj...@mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Alexander Wagner
> > <a.wag...@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> The pragmatic way would be something like: Chris works in Zurich
> >> Candidats 1953. Checks the games, cleans data, and once he places a hook
> >> at Zurich 1953 this tournament is done. Fullstop. Next one... Unless
> >> someone spots an inconsistency it is never touched again.
> >>
> >> That way I have a prelimiary starting point of about 105.000 games here
> >> contributed by some diligent users on this list. The basic
> >> infrastructure needed to do this is: "You work on this, I work on that".
> >> I think all you need is a Wiki to jot down which tournaments are already
> >> done. (This is the nice thing: you can work by years and tournaments
> >> instead of individual games. This gives some nice chunks and a natural
> >> order.) If I remember correctly the guys who did the work so far just
> >> split it by time frames and then started to work up some game archives
> >> on the Net tourney by turney, unified player names, corrected missing
> >> data as far as it was possible and so on.
> >
> > I'd be interested in picking this project back up if others are... or
> > at least doing the legwork to get a wiki page together capturing what
> > has been done so far with the base you have (if you haven't already)
> > in preparation for making some contributions.
> >
> > Would it then make sense to "commit" these as individual PGN files per
> > match/tournament/etc to make it easy to note and pick up additions as
> > they were made?
>
> >
> >> PS: For the time being I'd leave out commented games for the time being
> >> to avoid any sort of trouble in advance. It could be worthwhile to
> >> collect them separately with identical PGN headers. (BTW:
> >> crossreferencing would then be indeed easy by some sort of ID.) There
> >> might be some idea of copyright issues here and not all players might
> >> confirm with Anands views on this issue. (To the best of my knowledge
> >> the annotation of a game of chess does not give you ANY copyright on
> >> that annotation. Juristic reasoning here is AFAIK that chess is logic,
> >> so annotation of chess does not involve any creative act, thus you can
> >> not obtain copyright of an annotation.)
> >
> > Yeah, the annotations are a debatable thing, so it would make sense
> > to, if not exclude them entirely, only include them as something
> > optional...
> I would like to see this go forward also. My first question is where
> and in what format would the database be hosted. Sourceforge, github,
> or google sites are possibilities, but none seem ideal. CVS, GIT, or
> equivalent would would make updates and revision tracking easy but
> would not be userfriendly. A wiki, especially with a chessboard
> gadget, would be convenient but I don't know how easy it would be to
> download the pgn from it.
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> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:01:43 +1300 (NZDT)
> From: Simon Lyall <si...@darkmere.gen.nz>
> Subject: Re: [Scid-users] [SPAM?]: Re: ScidBase?
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> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Gerd Lorscheid wrote:
> > this here is really funny to read.
> > There are no copyrights on chess games. So what you can do is order
> > Bigbase for 50 Euro from Chessbase and you have pretty good edited
> > 4.500.000 games. Bigbase has no annotations, which have copyrights.
>
> I'd be careful before doing this. Some countries have compilation
> copyrights on large sets of information. Things like the telephone
> whitepages.
>
> I'm sure one of the "Open data" type projects will be able to point you to
> the relivant law here.
>
> http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/compilation.htm
> http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/database.html
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:12:59 +0100
> From: Alexander Wagner <a.wag...@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
> Subject: Re: [Scid-users] ScidBase?
> To: Gerd Lorscheid <gerd.lorsch...@onlinehome.de>
> Cc: scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net, "'J. Wesley Cleveland'"
> <j.wesley.clevel...@gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <4d297c1b.1030...@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
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> On 01/04/2011 08:41 PM, Gerd Lorscheid wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> > this here is really funny to read. There are no copyrights
> > on chess games.
>
> Right.
>
> > So what you can do is order Bigbase for 50
> > Euro from Chessbase and you have pretty good edited
> > 4.500.000 games. Bigbase has no annotations, which have
> > copyrights.
>
> Even if an annotation of a game of chess entitles you to
> some rights is not clear at all. What gives you a
> "copyright" has to be a "creative act". Most simply you can
> see this with some painting. You did it nobody else could
> have done it, you created it. Now, a game of chess follows a
> logical sequence of moves. One can argue that _everybody_
> who just follows logic comes to the same conclusions. Thus
> no creative act involved in annotating games. AFAIK this is
> still up to some discussions at the lawyers and far from
> clear at all.
>
> (Some time ago I read a quite interesting article by Anands
> who took up that point. I do not have the URL at hand
> anymore but it was some interview he gave right after his
> defence of the WCC title.)
>
> > You can convert them to .si4 and distribute them.
>
> I think your argument is to short here. Copyright for
> databases is quite a different thing. Though the individual
> entry may not give you any rights you usually DO have
> copyright on the collection as such. I.e. the act of
> collecting and making a selection usually entitles you for
> Copyright even if the entries you collected are public
> domain. Things may work out if you take only parts if they
> are small enough and so on. E.g. you are NOT allowed to dump
> out a commercial database even if it contains only public
> domain data.
>
> (I may add that we do not have Copyright in Germany, but
> Urheberrecht, there're some nifty details about this
> distinction)
>
> > Nothing else Chessbase is doing. For sure they did not
> > enter 4.500.000 games (4.500.000 games * 5 minutes per
> > game * 12 Euro per hour == 4.500.000 Euro).
>
> Right. But they did the collection and compilation and this
> is what gives them certain rights for their bases. For this
> reason, if by some community effort we could make up a
> collection/compilation of games for Scid all issues are
> solved once and for all. We could license it with GPL and it
> would be free. IMHO this can not be done legally in the way
> you suggest.
>
> Again, I'm no lawyer but in fact I've quite some dealings
> with this, IMHO senseless, copyright stuff in my regular
> job.
>
> cu
> Alexander
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:31:59 +0100
> From: Alexander Wagner <a.wag...@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
> Subject: Re: [Scid-users] R: Re: Patch
> To: "f...@libero.it" <f...@libero.it>
> Cc: scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <4d298e9f.4040...@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
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> On 01/01/2011 01:06 PM, f...@libero.it wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Fulvio sent me a final version of his patch which is now in CVS. Please
> check it out.
>
> cu
> Alexander
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 08:32:50 -0500
> From: Benoit St-Pierre <benbon...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Scid-users] ScidBase?
> To: scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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> Here are two videos on copyrights:
>
> http://blog.ted.com/2010/05/25/lessons_from_fa/
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/larry_lessig_says_the_law_is_strangling_creativity.html
>
> Let's hope that this'll convince Alex that videos can be instructive ;-)
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:11:36 +0200
> From: none none <tripala...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Scid-users] Translations?
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> How can I translate Scid to my native language?
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:37:51 +0100
> From: Oliver Korff <o...@xynyx.de>
> Subject: Re: [Scid-users] Bug#609062: scid: feature suggestion: merge
> game moves from an imported PGN file
> To: scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Cc: Ian Zimmerman <i...@buug.org>, 609...@bugs.debian.org
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> On 05.01.2011 23:18, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> > Package: scid
> > Version: 1:4.2.2.cvs20100202-2
> > Severity: wishlist
> > Tags: upstream
> >
> >
> > Currently it is possible to replace the whole selected game with the
> > Tools|Import One PGN Game menu item. Websites which offer the online
> > analogue of correspondence chess often have a feature to export the
> > game moves in PGN format, and doing that periodically combined with
> > the Import feature of scid is usually easier than entering each move
> > manually, at least for this lazy chessplayer. However each time I do
> > this I lose all the analysis I saved as variations in scid. So, I
> > would find it extremely useful if there were a "merge PGN" or "sync
> > PGN" feature that would just append the moves from the PGN that are
> > _not_ in the game, and leave the common moves (and their variations!)
> > untouched.
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> I received this feature request at the debian bug tracker, and I wanted
> to report it to the upstream mailing list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Oliver
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:24:58 +0100
> From: Alexander Wagner <a.wag...@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
> Subject: Re: [Scid-users] Translations?
> To: none none <tripala...@gmail.com>
> Cc: "\[Scid-users\]" <scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Message-ID: <4d2c926a.8020...@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
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> On 01/10/2011 11:11 PM, none none wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> > How can I translate Scid to my native language?
>
> This involves some technicalities I'd have to do in the backend. I could
> send you an input file for translation, however. What would your native
> language be?
>
> Please note also that the translation file has to be maintained and
> updated from time to time. Currently, Scid is available in 15 languages,
> but we have quite some missing translation activity as you can see from
> the following list (the numbers denote missing tags):
>
> czech 29
> francais 14
> hungary 73
> italian 205
> nederland 13
> norsk 522
> polish 522
> portbr 69
> russian 561
> serbian 522
> spanish 9
> suomi 8
> swedish 520
>
> All in all, without help contents, each language requires 1378 tags
> (menu entries, dialogue texts and so on) to be translated, so it's a bit
> of work. I'd of course not hinder anyone who wants to take up that
> challenge, but I admit that IMHO all those translations should be kept
> alive as well, so adding a new language requires some longer term
> commitment from the translator. I don't want to blame anyone here who
> had to stop working on it, I know destructive interference with real
> life all too well. I just wanted to mention that point. And if we have
> some reading members of the list, native speakers of one of the above
> languages, I could give instructions what has to be done.
>
> And while I'm at it: It would be _REALLY GREAT_ and IMHO we'd gain the
> largest profit for the entire users community if someone could start
> reworking Scids english online documentation. Not starting it from
> scratch, but just chapter by chapter go over the current text adjust
> what is outdated, add what is missing, make clear what is only clear to
> a programmer and so on. Most likely the gain here would be much larger
> than adding other languages, IMHO(!!!)
>
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> ever dared to ask if you're done and you'd wonder what Scid could
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>
> The docs really need quite some work. I may also add that it is nearly
> impossible for a programmer to write a users manual, especially if you
> want the user to understand it.
>
> So if anybody has free capacities here, who wants to contribute to the
> project, and be it only for parts of the manual please contact me. You
> only need minimal technical knowledge for that. But it would be great if
> people could document those functions they use heavily and know inside
> out FROM A USERS PERSPECTIVE.
>
> cu
> Alexander
>
>
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