I "subscribed" to the Slack Rocky EL "list" after the information on
how-to subscribe was posted. It is possible that the public link in the
URL bar of Firefox is not the "real" URL. I did provide a full quote of
the relevant posting to the Rocky EL list; one needs the URL to verify
that I had not mis-quoted. The question I raised still needs to be
addressed: will Rocky EL be done by paid professionals (as with SL or
Springdale Princeton EL) or will it be done by volunteers, some (many)
of whom are "amateurs"? I am very concerned about the use in a
production professional environment of an "amateur" port of RHEL. I am
not interested in "cradle-to-grave" outsourced support, as under a RH or
Oracle support contract, but access to the necessary information from a
"professional" list such as this SL list, and a compensated professional
staff behind the distro (as observed many times on this SL list).
On 12/16/20 6:17 PM, Vinícius Ferrão wrote:
Hi Yasha, link seems to be broken.
It points to a Google Docs document that’s unavailable.
On 16 Dec 2020, at 20:27, Yasha Karant <[email protected]> wrote:
I do not know how many on the SL list have subscribed to the quite different
Slack list for Rocky EL. Appended below is a very recent post. Note:
We have about 70 people in total all working through the following tasks:
• Management
• Web and branding
• Infrastructure
• Security and compliance
• Packaging
• Autobuilder research: will be moved to secure automated infrastructure
• Installer development
Now we are putting out a call for action. We want to hear from everyone who
wants to contribute and be part of Rocky Linux, so we assembled a Google form
which will allow us to to start organizing the team at large.
End excerpt.
Both Princeton EL (Springdale) and SL are supported by paid professionals (as is Oracle EL -- unlike
Princeton or Fermilab/CERN, Oracle is highly a for-profit operation with the overall goal of profiteering by
whatever "legal" means possible -- evidently Oracle EL is not a viable alternative because of what
comes after deployment of the "no-fee" version -- the HEP community does not seem to be adopting
Oracle EL). I see no real personnel selection criteria or other personnel mechanisms in what I am reading
about Rocky EL. Does anyone have further insight into this? An unreliable "bug for bug" port
(distro) of RHEL 8 (and follow-on major releases) done by volunteers (some of whom may be professionals, some
of whom may not be) seems risky for real production use.
Is the HEP community considering Rocky EL executables as supplied? Or will the
HEP community do internal evaluation and testing before deployment, keeping a
working distro separate from the vagaries of what may (NOTE: *MAY*, not will)
be an amateur volunteer distro?
Take care. Stay safe.
Yasha Karant
gmk December 16th at 1:55 PM
@channel This last week has been a rollercoaster, starting with the bad news
from RedHat/CentOS about it no longer being a “community” or “enterprise”
operating system, to seeing a community grow from nothing to something massive.
Again, in just a week, here are some of the notable accomplishments from this
amazing team:• Literally thousands of people wanting to help overnight. This is
the most engaging and motivated community I’ve seen ever over my more than 20
year career with open source.
• The first week was very hard because there were more people asking to help
and be part of this initiative than we could organize. Literally at some point,
it took me about an hour to go from one side of my Slack messages to another.
But now, we’ve built a structure and groups to properly direct the people who
want to help to where they can start working.
We have about 70 people in total all working through the following tasks:
• Management
• Web and branding
• Infrastructure
• Security and compliance
• Packaging
• Autobuilder research: will be moved to secure automated infrastructure
• Installer development
Now we are putting out a call for action. We want to hear from everyone who wants to contribute and be
part of Rocky Linux, so we assembled a Google form which will allow us to to start organizing the team
at large. Please add yourself to the form
here:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_forms_d_e_1FAIpQLSfEXnqD1sNHz9cslkMNOk6krUtDdSCYbxL68TTsn7uGZnoSFQ_viewformThank&d=DwIDaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=sIC8PmIk2u6UC4wZQWqQgQhB2Rcd7iL_Hwc759C6aXk&s=2BgornCkUTyk6kix31RAwLMVh0MGkFRoJ0wG-OkTPEg&e=
you everyone for your patience while we have been setting up the organization itself, and I’m looking
forward to hearing from you.
