Fermilab is not a government facility, but it is so funded:
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Managed by Fermi Research Alliance, LLC
for the U.S. Department of Energy Office of Science
and although this listserve is on a USA Federal government network, it
is not a classified (clandestine, DoD, security clearance, etc.)
network. The Hatch act applies if one discusses specific political
persons or parties (e.g., a specific USA former president, a specific
agenda such as voter suppression by a specific political party), but the
Hatch Act does not apply to societal issues per se. Under those other
governments that I mentioned, their "hatch acts" do apply -- to
everything and by everybody at all times and places.
On 4/27/21 10:52 AM, Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) wrote:
The Hatch Act makes it illegal for federal workers to discuss politics.
This is a government list.
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*Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
For those of us one this list who are ACM members, I quote:
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A computing professional should...
1.1 Contribute to society and to human well-being, acknowledging that
all people are stakeholders in computing.
Similar statements exist in the ethics codes of other
computing/informatics professional societies.
Despite that fact that others have indicated that this, or other
societal issues, are inappropriate for this list, and have threatened to
unsubscribe, some discussion of this matter is appropriate and correct
within the ACM code (and most other codes). This list does not conform
to the codes from the former Third Reich, former USSR, present PRC,
etc., for which any discussion of societal failings of the in-power
control group persons is prohibited and often punishable by the
government controlled by the relevant in-power group.
On 4/27/21 9:49 AM, Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) wrote:
I don't think this list is an appropriate place for political
discussions. Hopefully an administrator will intervene.
If this continues, I will unsubscribe.
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*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:24 AM LaToya Anderson
<lmanderson2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Data does not remove bias. And one can and should both read the article and
watch the movie.
STEM Academy Instructor
Data rather than mere exposition helps prevent bias. How do you refute
or counter unfair bias except with data?
The movie is, itself, profoundly biased. It didn't explore at all why
a public housing project might benefit from cameras on the door of a
densely populated building with numerous poor, old, or unhealthy
tenants. The movie was an icon of "Critical Theory", portraying the
attempt to use science and engineering for social problems as a plot
against the oppressed.
I've lived in scary neighborhoods of London. London accepts and
expects a degree of CCTV monitoring that is outrageous to Americans.
Sadly, citizens can't *get* the videos when a crime occurs, and
photographic evidence can be misused against the innocent. Been there,
done that, watched a London parking cop frame the photos they took to
document a parking ticket, really ticked him off when I very obviously
took photos at angles that showed the car was, in fact parked near a
sign that gave permission and curb markings that matched.
