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--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Meta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Are any of them on sale anywhere. I could use a Hawk dose. > I was telling my children about these shows and they really want to > see them. > Meta > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "drcsaid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm glad that I taped those Hawk episodes on Spencer and "A Man > > Called Hawk" series...Wesley, Wendall Pirece, Angela Basset, Samuel > > Jackson, Eric LaSalle etc were i the cut on those series... > > > > I'm going to burn them to DVD...hey an I write that here? I don't > > want this site shut down too! > > > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > LMAO...I wasn't goiong to say that...but you have a point...On top > > of that, if anyone can get my mom to say "Boy is he good lookin'," He > > has got to be impressive...Mom has never uttered that about anyone on > > TV except Avery Brooks... > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that. He'd lost the fire > > after his wife's death. I'm just saying I wish he'd started out as > > Captain Sisko of whatever that starship was he was on. But hey, like > > you say, he grew like hell in what is probably my favorite Trek > > series. > > > Oh course, ol' boy didn't really shine until he shaved that head > > and grew that beard, and became Hawk in the 24th Century! > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Also remember that Sisko was Highly Pissed off at the world when he > > lost his wife...Realistically, I think that was the reason that, if > > he was passed over for the promotion, was...From what I gather, It > > seemed as if Sisko was on his way out of Starfleet as I read > > it...Hence, his posting at DS9...Very plausible...And I thought he > > did a helluva job turning himself around in one episode... > > > > > > > > > Keith Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually I was going back to the premiere, where Sisko was First > > Officer > > > of his ship. I felt his character should have been a captain of that > > > starship, not the XO. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Astromancer > > > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 19:20 > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black > > > people? > > > > > > > > > On one point, I have to say militarily was incorrect...Sisko was a > > > commander, but of an outpost, not a ship, which I am assuming the > > > captain's rank was reserved for ship's commanders...But I do see > > your > > > point... > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Your point is dead-on, which is what I > > > meant. Star Trek was the beacon, starting slowly (a Black woman, no > > > Black men in major roles), then grew with Geordi (whose disability > > > definitely raised eyebrows among Blacks) and Worf, and reaching > > fruition > > > in Sisko. The series matured in its treatment of people of color > > (though > > > why Sisko was the only lead character in all the shows that started > > out > > > as a commander instead of a captain was puzzling). That's what I > > meant > > > about "Enterprise" going backwards. They literally regressed over > > three > > > decades and relegated the Black and Asian characters to the same > > levels > > > of background noise that unfortunately mostly defined Uhura and > > Sulu. > > > And speaking of Sulu, MAJOR crime to my mind that George Takei, who > > has > > > great screen presence, was never able to shine in Trek as he > > deserved. > > > I'd have loved to have seen a movie based on his Excelsior. > > > > > > And you are so correct in saying that you hate the treatment of > > people > > > of color on Galactica more now that you like it. I'm the same way. I > > > hated the show when it started, wrote a scathing review in our > > group, > > > then grew to love it. But then I look up and see the Asian girl > > being > > > the love interest for two different white dudes, and ditto for the > > Black > > > girl (Moore hints to a developing love triangle between the Sister, > > > Billy, and Apollo). I see no Brothers playing anything but guards > > and > > > "muscle", as you say. And i just have to wonder, is it intentional > > or > > > just more of the same white ignorance? Moore is a white man, and > > maybe > > > bringing women of color on to be love interests for white men is > > > "diversity" to him. Maybe he hasn't noticed that on several > > occassions > > > he's used BBM (Big Black Men) as prisoners, and that they're even > > > stereotypically dark-skinned and bald. Maybe he just doesn't get > > it, > > > but I know it bothers me a great deal. Like I said, when the entire > > > Pegasus command structure > > > turns out white, and two bald brothers show up as the Admiral's > > personal > > > guard, I was stunned. > > > > > > I'm hoping season three will somehow address this problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "tetsuwanatom1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Well, you know, we hold up Trek as the beacon, but it was really > > just > > > the first. I don't think they really got it until TNG was deep into > > > its run. Uhura was a hot swingin babe in a miniskirt. TOS did have > > > black cast members playing doctors (!) and scientists (!!!) though. > > > But really, a black dude with "space shades?" Burton really worked > > > that character into something. And what abt other minorities in > > TNG? > > > Had the Japanese nurse . . .. Worf, he's Klingon, just the actor > > is > > > black. Casting Dorn as Worf though did lead to primarily casting > > > black (men) as Klingons most often. Same could be said for Tuvok, > > > though Vulcans are a little more human looking so his color is more > > > in your face. > > > Funny that the lack of black males on BSG bothers me more now than > > it > > > did at first. That's because I HATED the show at first. Now it's at > > > least tolerable. I like Olmos, Sackhoff has grown on me, and I'm a > > > bit curious to see where their going, even if on occasion they do > > > telegraph their punches. To that end, I'm also kinda hanging around > > > to see if Moore will EVER come right out and say that there is > > racism > > > in the colonies, as his constant presentation of black males as > > > jailbirds and muscle seems to suggest. Or perhaps one day he'll > > admit > > > he just has no idea what to do with issues of race or ethnic actors > > > (who are not asian women). > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Johnson" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > yeah, "Enterprise" was a huge one. I posted a review of every > > single > > > > episode here, and I can think of maybe one show--two at best-- > > where > > > > Mayweather had a significant role. I often stated only half- > > jokingly > > > > that he had less screen time than Archer's dog Porthos! Hoshi-- > > the > > > > Asian Comm officer--fared only slighter better. It was very > > > confusing > > > > for a modern Star Trek show to take steps backwards in usage of > > > people > > > > of color. Before we had Geordi, Worf, Tuvok, Torres. Some used > > > better > > > > than others, but all used more than Mayweather. That misstep was > > more > > > > of the same bad written that helped doom the series, as the whole > > > thing > > > > was a confused mess until the last season. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > Behalf Of Carole McDonnell > > > > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 09:56 > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black > > > people? > > > > > > > > Ah, so true!! > > > > > > > > That's also one of the reasons I couldn't watch Enterprise. They > > > didn't > > > > seem to know what to do with "the black guy." I mean...they had > > > > a "black guy" on the deck and all. But it was so obvious, they > > > didn't > > > > think enough to give him a personality. So he was just this good- > > > > natured token. Quota filled but essentials still not understood. - > > C > > > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think it is as simple as this: 'We' didn't write it...'We' > > have > > > > very little to do with it...'We' are not part of his world... > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:And to repost yet again, > > > > I'm still wondering. On the season-ending show > > > > where the Battlestar Pegasus is found, Admiral Caine travels to > > > > Galactica. As her Raptor doors open, we see that she's > > accompanied > > > by an > > > > impressive group of officers and security. The first to disembark > > > are > > > > two snarling, armed guards, who scan the crowd with suspicion. 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