Only way I'd go see it is if they cast Angelina Jolie or Rosario
Dawson as Wonder Woman.  Not gonna happen.

~(no)rave!


--- In [email protected], "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> American female action/superhero movies have sucked but they are 
> quite successful in Asia. If they do an American Wonder Woman with 
> the verve and energy of something like The Heroic Trio it could be a 
> hit.
> 
> I know it goes against the grain but I think the new treatment of 
> Wonder Woman may be the way to go. Make it a kicka$$ action film but 
> flesh Diana's character out. As someone else said, set it in an 
> alternate WWII with all sorts of uber retrofuturist Nazi-tech, big 
> action setpieces and the like and you'll have a hit.
> 
> --- In [email protected], "ravenadal" <ravenadal@> wrote:
> >
> > Female Superhero movies suffer the same fate as black science 
> fiction 
> > movies (white people don't want to see them and BLACK people don't 
> > want to see them): men don't want to see them and WOMEN don't want 
> to 
> > see them.  
> > 
> > "Catwoman" is still the top-grossing female superhero movie ($82 
> > million) and nobody considers that a success.
> > 
> > Elektra: $56 million
> > 
> > Aeon Flux: $52 million
> > 
> > Ultraviolet: $31 million
> > 
> > Female superhero movies - ain't no money in them.
> > 
> > ~(no)rave!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> > Tracey L. Minor)" <tdlists@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Action Or Angst? What Do We Want In Our Superheroes?
> > > COMMENTARY: Can 'Wonder Woman' succeed purely as action hero?
> > > 
> > > By ROBIN BROWNFIELD
> > > Source: SyFy Portal
> > > Feb-04-2007
> > > 
> > > When Joss Whedon announced almost two years after signing on to 
> > write 
> > > and direct a "Wonder Woman" movie that he was no longer attached 
> to 
> > the 
> > > project, the air of shock around the Internet was almost palpable.
> > > 
> > > Around the same time, David S. Goyer, who wrote the story and co-
> > wrote 
> > > the screenplay for "Batman Begins," was told his vision for the 
> > movie 
> > > "The Flash" was not what Warner Bros. producers wanted, and the 
> > movie 
> > > has been shelved for now.
> > > 
> > > The story behind the "Wonder Woman" movie, it seems, is that 
> Warner 
> > > Bros. has purchased a speculative script from newcomers Matthew 
> > Jennison 
> > > and Brent Strickland, and is ready to bring them on board to 
> > replace Whedon.
> > > 
> > > All this leads to the question, "What do people want out of a 
> > superhero 
> > > movie? An escapist action romp or fully fleshed-out characters 
> > facing 
> > > the most painful decisions of their lives?"
> > > 
> > > While it is uncertain what Whedon has done with "Wonder Woman," 
> it 
> > seems 
> > > Joel Silver and company want an action-oriented story set against 
> > the 
> > > backdrop of World War II -- the time period when Wonder Woman 
> > comics 
> > > debuted. Whedon's vision places Princess Diana in the present 
> day. 
> > Based 
> > > on his previous works ("Buffy the Vampire 
> > Slayer," "Angel," "Firefly," 
> > > "Serenity"), one can safely assume that his Wonder Woman would be 
> a 
> > > fully fleshed out character, complete with goddess-like strength, 
> > and 
> > > human foibles. She would most likely be surrounded by fully 
> > developed 
> > > supporting characters, and the story that unwinds would largely 
> > grow out 
> > > from and be advanced by the characters themselves.
> > > 
> > > We could also count on sharp, engaging dialogue where every word 
> is 
> > > measured and infused with meaning.
> > > 
> > > A synopsis of the Jennison/Strickland script has been posted on 
> the 
> > > Internet. It is filled with highly charged action, it appears to 
> > move 
> > > quickly, and is balanced with sharp contrasts between scenes. It 
> > looks 
> > > like it could be exciting, but because there is no dialogue, and 
> > the 
> > > focus is strictly on the action in the movie, it makes me fear 
> that 
> > > there will be little in the way of actual character development. 
> > There 
> > > also is no indicator as to whether the two can write dialogue 
> well. 
> > It's 
> > > possible that they can, but in the end, what I read is the basis 
> > for a 
> > > largely formulaic movie with lots of loud sounds, flashy visuals 
> > and 
> > > action. I don’t see the groundwork laid for creating characters 
> > people 
> > > in the audience can identify with.
> > > 
> > > People need to be able to identify with the characters in a 
> movie. 
> > They 
> > > have to be able to feel with the characters and understand why it 
> > is 
> > > they do what they do. The X-Men and Spider-Man movies have been 
> the 
> > best 
> > > of any in the genre. X-Men movies have been analogous to the 
> > struggles 
> > > with racism and homophobia. In both X-Men and Spider-Man, people 
> > can 
> > > identify with the characters' perpetually feeling like outsiders. 
> > Each 
> > > has unique qualities that allow them to do amazing things, and 
> yet, 
> > > people in general and/or in their immediate surroundings, rarely, 
> > if 
> > > ever, recognize and appreciate this.
> > > 
> > > Most real people can identify with this scenario. How many of us 
> > have 
> > > proven time and time again that we are unique, intelligent and 
> > superbly 
> > > talented people whose accomplishments go largely unnoticed by 
> many 
> > or 
> > > most of the people around us? It is the same kind of scenario 
> that 
> > makes 
> > > "Buffy" so popular. We now see the same happening with characters 
> > in the 
> > > TV show "Heroes."
> > > 
> > > It was Peter Parker's angst that drew me to Spider-Man comics as 
> a 
> > kid. 
> > > I often skipped over the action parts of the stories just to 
> catch 
> > what 
> > > was happening in Peter's world. I still remember Duo Damsel 
> > heartbroken 
> > > because she was in love with Superboy, but knew he was destined 
> to 
> > end 
> > > up with someone else. Things like that got to me as a child, and 
> > they 
> > > still get to me as an adult.
> > > 
> > > Wonder Woman often struggled with being a powerful woman who was 
> > rarely 
> > > appreciated for it in a man's world. Angst is what makes these 
> > heroes 
> > > accessible to an audience. Going through the human experience 
> even 
> > if 
> > > one is not quite human, or is super-human, endears these 
> characters 
> > to us.
> > > 
> > > While it's possible to have a hero who doesn't feel like an 
> > outsider or 
> > > a freak, how that translates into their personality can be 
> > problematic. 
> > > If they are always self-sacrificing, righteous and true, they can 
> > end up 
> > > being downright boring. Then again, someone who doesn't suffer 
> > rarely 
> > > understands the plight of others who are suffering, and usually 
> > isn't 
> > > heroic. Someone like that is likely to come off as arrogant 
> and/or 
> > > self-obsessed, and uses their power for personal gain. I'm not 
> sure 
> > I 
> > > want to know people who are drawn to this kind of "hero." I might 
> > end up 
> > > being the next person they get all self-righteous and true on.
> > > 
> > > People simply can't identify with an action figure. An action 
> > figure may 
> > > present an amusing visual and aural experience, but so does a 
> > musical 
> > > mobile hanging over a crib. Both are forgettable once they're out 
> > of 
> > > sight. A fully realized human being makes for much longer-lasting 
> > > "relationship" between the character and the audience than Action 
> > > Jackson ever can. How many people talk as passionately -- and for 
> > years 
> > > on end -- about Lara Croft as they do about Buffy or River Tam?
> > > 
> > > Then there is the issue of the setting for the movies. Wonder 
> Woman 
> > has 
> > > gone through many eras. She hasn't always been stuck in WWII, as 
> > > Superman hasn't always been stuck in the 1930s. In the early 
> 1970s, 
> > > Wonder Woman had been revamped to fit the times. Steve Trevor was 
> > > killed, she lost her powers, traded in her bathing suit for a 
> > > mini-dress, and learned martial arts from some old guy named I-
> > ching. 
> > > While that probably wasn’t the best version of Wonder Woman, it 
> > kept her 
> > > in the present.
> > > 
> > > Since then, WW has been reinvented several more times, keeping 
> her 
> > in 
> > > the present. All the Superman and Batman movies are in the 
> present 
> > (or 
> > > future). Why must Wonder Woman be stuck back in WWII?
> > > 
> > > My favorite DC-based movie last year was "V for Vendetta," which 
> > while 
> > > it wasn't a superhero movie, was the kind of movie I prefer to 
> > shell out 
> > > money to see. I don’t make a whole lot, and I have a lot of 
> kids 
> > to 
> > > feed, so I can't often waste money on something that is a purely 
> > > escapist formula movie. Most of the superhero/graphic novel 
> movies -
> >  
> > > regardless of their origins - are lackluster at 
> best. "Daredevil," 
> > > "Electra," "Catwoman," "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow," 
> > and "Sin 
> > > City" were all substitutes for Sominex.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately, superhero movie producers have grandiose 
> > expectations, 
> > > but usually resort to mediocre stories and big special effects or 
> > > “artful” facades to pass their production off as marketable. 
> > “Superman 
> > > Returns,” while somewhat better than previously mentioned 
> movies, 
> > still 
> > > suffered the fate of presenting a formulaic plot with some bad 
> > casting 
> > > choices (that was NOT Lois Lane), and uneven acting. Hell, 
> Brandon 
> > Routh 
> > > barely got to do anything beyond his Christopher Reeve-as-Clark 
> > Kent 
> > > impression. While Bryan Singer, Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris 
> > tried 
> > > to infuse some humanity and allusions to Supes being Christ-like 
> > into 
> > > the story, the actual plot was simply a rehash of old plots with 
> > Lex 
> > > Luthor abusing different pieces of real estate.
> > > 
> > > There are passably good comic book hero movies out there 
> > ("Hellboy," and 
> > > even "Fantastic Four" to some extent) that take the action 
> formula 
> > and 
> > > make it interesting and entertaining. For far too many, though, 
> the 
> > > formula starts to become rancid after too long. I had been 
> looking 
> > > forward to something fresh and different in Joss Whedon's "Wonder 
> > > Woman." I had hoped it would be the one movie about a female 
> > superhero 
> > > that wasn't abysmal. I can still hope for this. Jennison and 
> > Strickland 
> > > may turn out to be great writers. Still, I’m not going to put 
> > much faith 
> > > in the judgment of movie studio moguls. They have been wrong many 
> > times 
> > > before.
> > > 
> > > Robin Brownfield is a staff writer for SyFy Portal, writing out 
> of 
> > New 
> > > Jersey. She can be reached at rbrownfield@
> > >
> >
>


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