I just really thought Batman himself in this movie was boring. I was more interested in Commissioner Gordan, Harvey Dent, and the other cast then Christian Bale. if he didn't come back for the 3rd film I wouldn't be mad. Personally Batman could have not even been in this movie
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:13 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's my point don't try to top this film. Just make a good third film that > logically continues the threads left over from the second film. Don't try to > outdo the second in any way, just tell a good story. And for that, I think > Ra's, Talia, and maybe even Two Face might work > > I disagree about Bale. I think he was good, and for some reason Batman > himself seemed to be more accessible, more real this time around too. I > thought Bale did a great job, as did the entire cast. > > What annoyed you about Christian? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Mike Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> I don't think it would top what was done in this film. The center >> piece was the Joker and without a major center piece like that I don't >> think it will see the same success. >> >> If I where him I would go with the Ridder as the next villain and have >> be be a serial killer putting secret messages all around gothem trying >> to get at batman. But the Joker is batman's greatest villain and can't >> easily be out done. They will have to think and think and think long >> before they even go into production on a 3rd film. And as we all have >> seen 3rd films are cool but just not as good as the original or the >> master piece that was The DArk Joker..cause really Christan Bale was >> annoying to me in this movie. It was all about Heath. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:24 PM, wrote: >> > I've been talking to people about this for a few weeks. Think we discussed >> this here a while back. Back then I stated that I think Ra's Al Ghul's return >> would be a great idea. I still think that would work. One, Ra's is immortal >> (or >> at least long-lived) so he could return. If Nolan doesn't want to go with the >> Lazarus Pit thing, it's always possible to craft a way for Ra's to have >> survived >> the tram crash. Ra's is a master manipulator, so we could return to a battle >> that's less focused on powers or physical prowess, and one that more has Bats >> trying to take on Ra's machinations and his organization, a battle of wits. >> Also, I think bringing ni Talia as a love interest for Bruce/Batman would be >> great. Find a sultry, intelligent, dangerous, tough, raven-haired actress who >> could be a femme fatale, assassin, and daddy's girl all at once, and make her >> the potential dagger into Bruce's heart. Perhaps even make her worm her way >> into >> Bruce's life unknown to him, with Ra's only revealed as he >> > r father later. Maybe Talia could even be introduced as someone helping >> > Batman >> from his current problems (can't say more here). Perhaps Ra's could bring in >> another villain, or another villain could be brought in, but with him, Talia, >> and a good treatment of Batman's current plight (can't say more) that would >> suffice. >> > >> > I think the biggest mistake most directors make is trying to make the third >> film *more*: bigger, louder, more CGI-filled, more FX, more fights, more >> villains. Thats when you get a muddled, overblown, crowded mess like >> Spider-Man >> 3 or X-Men 3. Studios of course want to do more, more more! But that's not >> really Nolan's thing. He wants to make good films, not just *big* films. >> > >> > So I think the third flick should be in a way "smaller" than the second, >> backed down a bit in tone and tempo, and allow Bats to work on his problems >> (can't say more) and battle wits with Ra's. I return to that, a battle of >> wills >> and one of image and symbols, would be a fitting end to the trilogy. Fitting >> also because Ra's was there at Bruce's genesis, so why not bring him back for >> the last film? >> > >> > I think a third film is warranted, even mandated by the way the second >> > ended >> (can't say more) and Nolan *has* to return! >> > >> > >> > -------------- Original message -------------- >> > From: "Tracey de Morsella" >> > Do We Need a Christopher Nolan Batman Trilogy? >> > >> > Was 'The Dark Knight' good enough? Should we leave it at that? >> > >> > Congratulations Christopher >> > Nolan. You just >> > delivered the best comic-book film ever. And creeping hell, it happens to >> > be >> > one of the all-time great sequels too. And did I mention it just shattered >> > box-office records like a sledgehammer on a potato chip? What are you doing >> > next…after going to Disney World of course? Oh yes, you might just attempt >> > to break the dreaded comic-book film trilogy curse. Good luck mate, >> > succeeding with that will make your accomplishments on >> > The Dark Knight seem >> > down-right pathetic. >> > >> > After witnessing the cholesterol reducing* genius of The Dark Knight this >> > weekend, a weird thought struck me. Do we need a third entry in Nolan's >> > Batman trilogy? Don't get me wrong, we all want to see one. But should >> > Nolan >> > (who's technically not signed on for a third film, but I'd be shocked if he >> > passed) risk soiling all he has rebuilt from the ashes of Joel Schumacher's >> > napalm raid with another foray into bat country? Can we not just leave >> > Batman Begins and The >> > Dark Knight as one of the great one-two punches in cinematic history? Of >> > course not, The Dark Knight was too damn good and made too much cash not to >> > green-light The Caped Crusader.** >> > >> > I don't think I need to remind you that a fully satisfying third film in a >> > comic-book trilogy currently exists in the same realm of the Tooth Fairy >> > and >> > a talented Paul W.S. Anderson's. Superman III. Sucks. Batman Forever. Three >> > words: Tommy Lee Jones. Blade: Trinity. I don't like vampires in my iPod >> > commercials. X-Men: The Last Stand. Seriously, was that fucking Prince with >> > the sonic hand-clap superpower? In my opinion the closest film to make a >> > dent in a the curse is Spider-Man 3 - deeply flawed and lazy, but full of >> > great action. Yet, not many are willing to even give it that much credit. >> > After all, it's hip to hate on Spidey these days. Only when a third >> > installment of a comic-book franchise gains an overwhelming consensus that >> > it's worth a damn will I admit the curse is broken. >> > >> > It's no coincidence that the suckitude of comic-bock film number three is >> > inversely proportional to the ass-kickery of movie number two. With no >> > origin story and a bigger budget, the first sequel allows the filmmakers to >> > essentially blow their loads in both action and character exploration. >> > Hell, >> > Nolan admitted as much during an interview >> > > > dark_knight_to_life/> RopeofSilicon ran last week: "We certainly didn't >> > want to hamper ourselves by saving anything for future films." And it's >> > pretty hard to disagree with that statement considering how epic The Dark >> > Knight is. >> > >> > Nolan and company played it smart by waiting to break out the franchise's >> > best villain until the second film - something most comic-book films don't >> > do. Yet, part of me almost wishes they'd save The Joker for the third film. >> > After the emotional meat grinder The Joker throws Batman, Commissioner >> > Gordon, and Harvey Dent into, how can you top that? It'll be nearly >> > impossible to raise the stakes that high again. And let's face it, we'll >> > probably never see another Joker story in this franchise since no actor is >> > stupid enough to jump in the gigantic clown shoes Heath Ledger left behind. >> > >> > If a film is only as good as its villain, how can you beat Ledger's Joker? >> > Like most people - SPOILER AHEAD - I thought The Dark Knight was setting up >> > a Two-Face story for the next film - perhaps the only villain that could >> > follow-up The Joker. Oh how we underestimated Nolan's ambition. Who knew >> > he'd wrap the entire Two-Face arc into The Joker's story…and succeed wildly >> > at it? >> > >> > So now we don't have too many choices left. The Riddler is like a nerdier, >> > less menacing version of The Joker. Mr. Freeze: great tragic villain, but >> > too sci-fi >> > > > trilogy> for Nolan's world. And so is Killer Croc and Clayface for that >> > matter. Catwoman would be interesting, yet Tim Burton covered the subtext >> > of >> > her relationship to Batman pretty well. Poison Ivy: nah. And Bane is pretty >> > much a beefed up version of The Gimp from Pulp Fiction - although a leather >> > daddy super villain would definitely be a first for a mainstream film. The >> > Penguin, perhaps, but I'm only interested if they could guarantee Phillip >> > Seymour Hoffman in the role. And then there's the Mad Hatter. Quite simply, >> > fuck the Mad Hatter. >> > >> > Perhaps the best path for the third film lies within Frank Miller's "The >> > Dark Knight Returns." It's a radical idea, but just maybe Nolan should jump >> > 30 years in the future and do a loose adaptation of Miller's masterwork. >> > Several of the ideas found in Nolan's films would dovetail seamlessly into >> > Miller's story (Batman gangs, Batman's one rule, Batman as an outlaw). And >> > yes, I just said no actor would be stupid enough to follow-up Ledger's >> > work, >> > but The Joker in "The Dark Knight Returns" is 30 years older and that opens >> > up new avenues for exploration. So recast the role with an older actor, and >> > maybe you'll hit some sparks. Who knows? >> > >> > Yet, that'll never happen. Not unless fanboys rise from their mother's >> > basements and stage a coup at Warner Bros. However, with all of that said >> > about the odds being against the third film, I have complete and utter >> > faith >> > in Nolan (with the exception of his debut film, Following¸ the man has >> > never >> > made a movie that didn't end up on my top-ten list). If anyone can pull it >> > off, he can. The Dark Knight alone should win anyone's trust. Although if >> > confirmation comes that Robin will cartwheel into the next film, be afraid, >> > very afraid because Nolan has lost his mind. >> > >> > * Not scientifically proven…yet. >> > >> > ** The rumors begin here on the third film's title. I'd love The Dark >> > Knight >> > Returns, but it carries too much baggage between Frank Miller's hailed >> > graphic novel of the same name and Batman Returns. Although, I'm back to >> > that in a second. >> > >> > http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/do_we_need_a_christopher_nolan_batman_t >> > rilogy >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Yahoo! 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