I think that the writers were prompted to focus more on Echo after the show got popular. That makes it easier and less expensive to shoot than having people running around with guns and stunt men with explosions.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Kelwyn <ravena...@yahoo.com> wrote: > My question is still "why"? The branch of the Dollhouse shown serves no > purpose other than to provide a catalyst for Echo's psychological growth and > examination. All the glandular needs of this Dollhouse's client list could > be better (and more cheaply)met in Las Vegas or, in my case, Atlanta. > > ~(no)rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith" <daikaij...@...> wrote: > > > > From what's been implied other Dollhouses do engage in just that sort of > thing. > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> wrote: > > > > > > But that is my point. The Dollhouse would be an extremely expensive > place to maintain so they would require clients with deeper pockets than the > ones I recall from the first season. Their clients WOULD be conglomerates > and governments - not thrill seekers and guys who could get the same bang > for their buck at the "Bunny Ranch." > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" <tdlists@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > It would be extremely expensive to maintain such a place. Who else > other than the rich, conglomerates and governments could afford such > services? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Kelwyn > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:46 PM > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re:Re: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse > > > > > > > > One of my pet peeves with the show is with all the money, clout and > resources behind the Dollhouse, why do they have such a penny ante client > list? Why aren't these dolls used to undermine multi-million dollar > corporations and to effect regime change? Also, how much money could there > be guarding pop stars from stalkers and posing as someone's fantasy wife? > > > > > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith" <daikaiju66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I feel you but if they avoided some of the nasty bits and had > everyone that uses the Dollhouse be like Patton Oswalt's character folks > would grumble that Whedon was soft pedaling. > > > > > > > > > > I like the show but I would have rather had another season of The > Sara Connor Chronicles. > > > > > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen every episode of the first season and the first > couple of episodes from this season and I agree with "this person" (of > course, the "this person" you are referring to could be me). I came to both > "Buffy" and "Angel" late and I wanted to love "Dollhouse" - but I don't. It > annoys me the way Republicans annoy me; the way born-again Christians annoy > me; the way born-again virgins annoy me because they all purport to be purer > than they are (while larceny lurks in their hearts). > > > > > > > > > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Leslee Freeman" <msles59130@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. This person obviously doesnt watch the show, and has > missed the point entirely. With all the true problems for women in this > world, why do people like her feel they have to create one? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------Original Message------ > > > > > > > From: Adrianne Brennan <adrianne.brennan@> > > > > > > > To: <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Date: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 06:14 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not pretty, but it's heartbreakingly realistic. In a setup > like the > > > > > > > Dollhouse, the first thing people would go for would be sex and > most of the > > > > > > > people affected would be women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > > > > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > > > > > > > Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: > > > > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon > > > > > > > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > > > > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > > > > > The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): > > > > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Tracey de Morsella < > > > > > > > tdlists@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Bosco: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the show has excellent writing, however I also think > Rave view of > > > > > > > > the ongoing theme is dead on. In fact, from my view, > it’s a bit of a turn > > > > > > > > off. It's not loss of me that the aspect of the show that > turns me off > > > > > > > > works for most guys. I realize I am not in the target > demographic, but I > > > > > > > > think this penchant to position the women on the show like > this is one of > > > > > > > > the show's greatest weaknesses. It would not bother me if it > were > > > > > > > > occasionally. But it is the episodes that do not play like > this that are > > > > > > > > the anomaly. Despite this move, they still can't get the > ratings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the talent in the writing in the performances, but > after viewing the > > > > > > > > episode list Rave just presented, can you blame him for his > perspective? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Kelwyn > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:48 AM > > > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lessee... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Echo is a "doll" who is sold to the highest bidder to fulfill > their (often > > > > > > > > sexual) fantasies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Episode 1 (actually Episode 2 but the first one shown) > Echo is "the > > > > > > > > perfect date," both a prostitute (she sleeps with the client > on assignment) > > > > > > > > and the human prey of the same sadistic sicko (after he beds > her he sets > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > to kill her - nice) - AND she is fully compliant because she > is a > > > > > > > > programmed > > > > > > > > "doll" and not a fully functioning human being in control of > her thoughts > > > > > > > > and actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Episode 2, she is a "video ho." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Episode 3, she is a "call girl/antiquities thief/lost > little girl." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Episode 4, she is a "powerless and compliant cult member." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Episode 8:(I personally found episode 8, where Victor is sent > on a "lonely > > > > > > > > hearts" mission and the client turns out to be his "boss" > extremely creepy) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SEASON TWO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Episode 1, she is perfect "wifey" - a role she has played > more than once. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Episode 2, she is a hot "baby mama." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Episode 3, she is the student "muse" to a college professor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I haven't even mentioned the misogynistic symbolism of a > character > > > > > > > > having her face razor sliced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least Larry Flynt had the good grace to call the dolls he > sold > > > > > > > > "polyvinyl > > > > > > > > perversity." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco <ironpigs3@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're about 180 degrees off the mark here and over > simplifying in the > > > > > > > > extreme. It's unfortunate but hey if you wanna ignore amazing > work from one > > > > > > > > of the finest character development folks in the history of > television, > > > > > > > > that's certainly your business. I'll continue to enjoy some > of the finest > > > > > > > > Whedon so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bosco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kelwyn <ravenadal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Kelwyn <ravenadal@> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse > > > > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:27 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kinky sexual fetishes did Whedon explore in > these episodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~rave? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Bosco Bosco > <ironpigs3@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm really really busy these days and my outside work and > family > > > > > > > > activities, like reading and watching TV are at a snails > pace. 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