>From what's been implied other Dollhouses do engage in just that sort of thing.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" <ravena...@...> wrote: > > But that is my point. The Dollhouse would be an extremely expensive place to > maintain so they would require clients with deeper pockets than the ones I > recall from the first season. Their clients WOULD be conglomerates and > governments - not thrill seekers and guys who could get the same bang for > their buck at the "Bunny Ranch." > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" <tdlists@> wrote: > > > > It would be extremely expensive to maintain such a place. Who else other > > than the rich, conglomerates and governments could afford such services? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Kelwyn > > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:46 PM > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re:Re: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse > > > > One of my pet peeves with the show is with all the money, clout and > > resources behind the Dollhouse, why do they have such a penny ante client > > list? Why aren't these dolls used to undermine multi-million dollar > > corporations and to effect regime change? Also, how much money could there > > be guarding pop stars from stalkers and posing as someone's fantasy wife? > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith" <daikaiju66@> wrote: > > > > > > I feel you but if they avoided some of the nasty bits and had everyone > > > that uses the Dollhouse be like Patton Oswalt's character folks would > > > grumble that Whedon was soft pedaling. > > > > > > I like the show but I would have rather had another season of The Sara > > > Connor Chronicles. > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have seen every episode of the first season and the first couple of > > > > episodes from this season and I agree with "this person" (of course, > > > > the "this person" you are referring to could be me). I came to both > > > > "Buffy" and "Angel" late and I wanted to love "Dollhouse" - but I > > > > don't. It annoys me the way Republicans annoy me; the way born-again > > > > Christians annoy me; the way born-again virgins annoy me because they > > > > all purport to be purer than they are (while larceny lurks in their > > > > hearts). > > > > > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Leslee Freeman" <msles59130@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree. This person obviously doesnt watch the show, and has missed > > > > > the point entirely. With all the true problems for women in this > > > > > world, why do people like her feel they have to create one? > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email > > > > > > > > > > ------Original Message------ > > > > > From: Adrianne Brennan <adrianne.brennan@> > > > > > To: <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 06:14 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse > > > > > > > > > > It's not pretty, but it's heartbreakingly realistic. In a setup like > > > > > the > > > > > Dollhouse, the first thing people would go for would be sex and most > > > > > of the > > > > > people affected would be women. > > > > > > > > > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > > > > > Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: > > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon > > > > > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > > > The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): > > > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Tracey de Morsella < > > > > > tdlists@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Bosco: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the show has excellent writing, however I also think Rave > > > > > > view of > > > > > > the ongoing theme is dead on. In fact, from my view, itââ¬â¢s a > > > > > > bit of a turn > > > > > > off. It's not loss of me that the aspect of the show that turns me > > > > > > off > > > > > > works for most guys. I realize I am not in the target demographic, > > > > > > but I > > > > > > think this penchant to position the women on the show like this is > > > > > > one of > > > > > > the show's greatest weaknesses. It would not bother me if it were > > > > > > occasionally. But it is the episodes that do not play like this > > > > > > that are > > > > > > the anomaly. Despite this move, they still can't get the ratings. > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the talent in the writing in the performances, but after > > > > > > viewing the > > > > > > episode list Rave just presented, can you blame him for his > > > > > > perspective? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Kelwyn > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:48 AM > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse > > > > > > > > > > > > Lessee... > > > > > > > > > > > > Echo is a "doll" who is sold to the highest bidder to fulfill their > > > > > > (often > > > > > > sexual) fantasies. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Episode 1 (actually Episode 2 but the first one shown) Echo is > > > > > > "the > > > > > > perfect date," both a prostitute (she sleeps with the client on > > > > > > assignment) > > > > > > and the human prey of the same sadistic sicko (after he beds her he > > > > > > sets > > > > > > out > > > > > > to kill her - nice) - AND she is fully compliant because she is a > > > > > > programmed > > > > > > "doll" and not a fully functioning human being in control of her > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > and actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Episode 2, she is a "video ho." > > > > > > > > > > > > In Episode 3, she is a "call girl/antiquities thief/lost little > > > > > > girl." > > > > > > > > > > > > In Episode 4, she is a "powerless and compliant cult member." > > > > > > > > > > > > Episode 8:(I personally found episode 8, where Victor is sent on a > > > > > > "lonely > > > > > > hearts" mission and the client turns out to be his "boss" extremely > > > > > > creepy) > > > > > > > > > > > > SEASON TWO > > > > > > > > > > > > Episode 1, she is perfect "wifey" - a role she has played more than > > > > > > once. > > > > > > > > > > > > Episode 2, she is a hot "baby mama." > > > > > > > > > > > > Episode 3, she is the student "muse" to a college professor. > > > > > > > > > > > > And I haven't even mentioned the misogynistic symbolism of a > > > > > > character > > > > > > having her face razor sliced. > > > > > > > > > > > > At least Larry Flynt had the good grace to call the dolls he sold > > > > > > "polyvinyl > > > > > > perversity." > > > > > > > > > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco <ironpigs3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're about 180 degrees off the mark here and over simplifying > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > extreme. It's unfortunate but hey if you wanna ignore amazing work > > > > > > from one > > > > > > of the finest character development folks in the history of > > > > > > television, > > > > > > that's certainly your business. I'll continue to enjoy some of the > > > > > > finest > > > > > > Whedon so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bosco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Kelwyn <ravenadal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Kelwyn <ravenadal@> > > > > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: catching up on dollhouse > > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:27 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kinky sexual fetishes did Whedon explore in these > > > > > > > episodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~rave? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Bosco Bosco <ironpigs3@ ..> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm really really busy these days and my outside work and family > > > > > > activities, like reading and watching TV are at a snails pace. I > > > > > > just > > > > > > caught > > > > > > up on the last three episodes of Dollhouse. I'm completely > > > > > > overwhelmed with > > > > > > how good it's gotten and how expertly Whedon is weaving the story > > > > > > line. I > > > > > > feel 100% redeemed in my prediction that he would make a great > > > > > > series out > > > > > > of > > > > > > this concept and I'll go out on a limb here and say this is some of > > > > > > his > > > > > > absolutely best work. What an amazing piece of television. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bosco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa > > > > > > hoo! 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