Yeah, isn't that what United Artists' goal was: to allow the actors to control their own fates? and didn't Tom Cruise recently buy into trying to revive that system? I think it depends on the actors. I trust actors with old school sensibilities: Redford, Clooney, Denzel, Freeman, DiCaprio, Winslet, Streep, Hanks. I think actors like that appreciate the magic of movies and sometimes want a bit more control of their fates to turn out good product that's not something made by committee by a studio only interested in pleasing the widest possible demographic. So in that way, artists having more say is a good thing. It also comes down to good working relationships, which is why you see so many actors form long time working relationships with directors with whom they share views of how movies should be.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:30:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight Yea that is an actor with too much pull. That is totally crazy to me that the actor's opinion can outweigh the directors so much. But if I remember correctly it isn't the first time nor will it be the last. There are certain actors in the past that used to muscle the director. Sinatra for example. Sometimes it goes both ways though. There are directors that got too crazy with their directing and ruined it for all of the directors. The director of Heaven's gate for example. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Say that last again, please! When I heard (again, I believe, from Keith, but please correct an old man if he's wrong) that Edward Norton got the final cut on "American History X", cutting the director out of the process altogether, I lost most of my respect for the man as an actor. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:30:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that they had to stick to stagnant angles in older movies because they usually only had one or two cameras running at once, because they couldn't afford more than that. If they wanted multiple angles they would reset the scene then reshoot it. Now they can afford to rent 10 or 20 cameras and set them up at 50 angles and record them all in one take. The thing with big actors is that they don't want to take direction from the director. So some of them believe whatever their point of view is, is more valid than the director's vision. Which I believe is wrong! On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Watching it now. I was just telling my wife jubilantly, "they just don't film movies like this anymore!" Nowadays director would have twenty thousand camera angles, and you'd never be able to follow the action. This thing is fast-paced and exciting as hell, but I can take it all in. Speaking of great car chase scenes, another all-time one is from "Ronin", one of my fav films. And I also love the classic pursuit of Batman's car in "Batman Begins". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. "Bonnie and Clyde" I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. "The French Connection", though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring himself to do the scene. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 +0000 Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of "Caprica". Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in "Bullitt", with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by "The French Connection", with a typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all time. And then, at midnight, it's "Bonnie and Clyde", Warren Beatty's violent New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers. The movies are part of TCM's "31 Days of Oscar", a month long airing of Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time to catch up on some of the best films of all time, from "Casablanca" to "Citizen Kane", from "Some Like it Hot", to "Cabin in the Sky". The good thing about TCM is that in addition to showing Oscar-nominated films, this being Black History Month, they also show a lot of classic Black film dating back to the '20s. Ethel Waters in "Cabin in the Sky" is just one example. It's about the only place I've seen this and many other of those films from that time. Gonna be a long fun night! Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! 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