Who or what is Carl Brandon? Good point: Lit is tricky. We probably range all over the map. for example, i read scifi and fantasy, but vampire/werewolf stuff isn't a fav of mine, yet a lot of people here love it. Recent lists of books being read by Martin and B. Smith were all but Greek to me: not a single one is on my radar. I'm still rocking the latest books from Raymond Feist (Riftwar books), Terry Brooks (Shannara, Knight of the Word), Donaldson (Thomas Covenant), and George RR Martin (Song of Ice and Fire). I wonder, if everyone listed the top ten, or most recent ten, scifi/fantasy books they've read, would we have several that can be discussed?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 1:58:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? We used to have lit discussions, It was about ½ lit, maybe a little less, but if you do not watch TV or go to the movies much, so much on a subject that you cannot relate to might be alienating, even if there is content that speaks to you. This is the feedback that I got when people unsubscribed. So, I set up the literature group, and for about five years that did the trick. The feedback was great. We had few unsubscribes and the list got pretty big. Then I got sick, and stopped moderating and a few people went nuts. At the same time, the Carl Brandon group came into being and a lot of people who got sick of being attacked went there. I went there too as I started to get better. I do not seek to compete, so I even refer people to it. That being said I think it would be good for us to start discussing literature again. While I do not have the heart to delete the other group, the other group is essentially dead. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:38 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Maybe we need to start adding some more lit discussions here? If nothing else, some of us who write can start talking more, even if it's offline... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:15:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I lot of writers used to be on the list way back when. Many of them do not related to TV and even film and told me they felt out of sorts. So I started a literature groups which did pretty well. When I got sick and suffered brain trauma I pretty much abandoned both the TV and film list and the literature list. This list thrived on its own. I tried to get a moderator for the other list , but he never did anything. Anyway we had one person on the list who was kind of in your face who chased a lot of people away. Then Charles Brandon Society started flourishing, so I did not see the need to compete. I am no longer active with Charles Brandon, but it seems to be a good place for writers, but not necessarily for ones that have a love of comic, TV and film From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was on a panel at a scifi/fantasy con called "Women in Science Fiction" and as a panelist, this is pretty much what I concluded/begged/declared. Women and minorities both draw the short straw in scifi, and it drives me more than a bit batshit. It's also made me realize that I need to contribute more to the genre as a writer. I have seriously considered getting more writers onto this list in order to shame them into making their own writing more balanced also. I think people need to get over their fear of writing "outside their experience" when it comes to things such as women writing stories about gay men, Caucasians writing about Native Americans, African Americans, and any other race besides their own, et cetera. And believe me, I'm currently aiming to practice what I'm preaching. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM, C.W. Badie < astromancer2...@yahoo.com > wrote: Not meaning to be harsh, guys, but like I siad when I first joined this group: If you want to see black folks in sci-fi and horror, write them! I've seen a lot of your work, guys, and from some of the intelligent threads I've been reading in the group, we have a lot of potential great storytellers...Before you ask, I have been published twice...and I suck, so you guys with the chops will make an impressive killing if you put your stuff in front of the right eyes...(Think Bill Duke!) "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: From: Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:01 PM Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" <HelloMahogany@ gmail.com > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net > wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very black, very bald, scowling black men. Left a bad taste in my mouth, and frankly one reason i lost some interest in the show. Did it get better? Now on "Caprica" I'm seeing the same thing. Sure, I see black men in the background: in the street traffic, maybe a reporter in the background shouting questions. Back again, I see no high level scientists, politicians, police, or military men who are black. The one black I can remember in anything approaching a recurring role? The big, black, bald, scowling brother who functions as the bodyguard/drive for the Greystones. What's the deal? This reminds me of the old days when we were in the background but little else. I'd ask if it's because of the shooting locale, but if they can find brothers to walk up and down the street, surely they could put some in important roles. It's cool and all they have a Latino in a role that may or may not be "Latino", but my brothers are all but absent... -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
