We are living on a backwater planet in the Milky Way galaxy... Let's flip this topic a little. What if the UFOs that we have been seeing throughout human history are those aliens?
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > > > See, I don't think that First Contact should have necessarily happened by > now. It could be entirely possible that another race is a few thousand light > years away, and just hasn't gotten here yet. If races live closer in to the > Core, for example, the stellar density there is dozens--hundreds--of times > greater than out here in the relative sticks where we live. They may have > simply not finished exploring those closer worlds. > > I can't speak to oxygen-rich worlds. We haven't found any yet (which isn't > a big deal 'cause we don't have the tech to see such worlds). I'm also not > certain that oxygen breathers are necessarily the norm in our galaxy. Maybe > they breathe other gases. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:23:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking > > > > Well I think that if it were to happen it would have happened already by > now and we wouldn't be having this conversation. > > As to the oxygen breathing creatures, there's so many planets that I'm sure > there are quite a few other worlds out there. Then again there are so many > variables that can happen. It took our species a long time to get to > scientific method. > > Can you imagine how different our world would have been if we didn't have > certain intellectual baggage? (religion, racism, greed etc.) > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Keith Johnson > <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > >> >> >> Not necessarily. We already know that planets in that sweet spot where >> water can exist in liquid form and an atmosphere can exist could be rare. >> It's entirely plausible that they'd want Earth as a place to colonize to >> expand their race. If we are an oxygen breathing, carbon-based species, it's >> reasonable to think the universe would create another such that might view >> Earth as a likely place to colonize. >> >> Terraforming nearby planets and building colonies on inhospitable worlds >> might take too long and ultimately support too few people. Even an advanced >> species would probably rather build generation ships to come to Earth rather >> than languish in doomed colonies or the like. Think of it like this: if mars >> were inhabitable right now, and had a primitive race living there, how long >> do you think it'd be before the nations of Earth would find a reason to go >> there and take over? >> >> Also, it's not always about resources like oil, water, and spices. like I >> said, how often do people on Earth seek new vistas in order to live out >> lives the way they want. how often do people seek new lands to worship a new >> way, to create a new form of government, etc? I don't think that just >> because a race is technologically advanced means they would leave behind the >> ugliness, fighting, selfishness, racism, etc., that have often driven people >> here to seek new lands. >> >> Granted I'm taking a cynical view, but I frankly think it's at least as >> likely as the one where they'd come here and want to be buddies. Also, one >> thing you need to remember is that no species is monolithic. Scifi usually >> simplifies races so that the whole planet has one way of thinking, while in >> reality that changes. So even if one faction might want to be friends with >> us, what if there's an election or coup or something were another faction >> gains power and changes policies radically. >> >> Kinda like an alien Republican party gaining ascendance: I wouldn't give a >> plug nickel for our chances if an alien Tea Party led by a green Sarah Palin >> took over the Ministry of Extraplanetary Contact! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:24:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking >> >> >> >> That would be a worse case scenario. Travel light years just to steal >> minerals or water? There's ice the entire trip here. I"m sure that they can >> also find minerals as well. >> >> The overpopulation part would be a little unusual I think. That would mean >> that life only exists in an oxygen rich environment and they would have to >> be at a tremendous infestation level of population to travel that far just >> to live here. >> >> I think as our own technology continues to grow we will look at things >> differently. For example, spices (and the money it brought) were a huge >> reason to go on an expedition. After people learned how to grow majority of >> the spices elsewhere the need to concur for that resource. Eventually we >> will say the same about oil. Hopefully... >> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net >> > wrote: >> >>> I don't think so. Look at the history of Earth: so many technologically >>> superiour races have exploited and destroyed others. Advanced tech can't >>> make up for the loss of key materials or extinguished lifeforms. What if, >>> like Europeans, they simply want to expand to new shores due to >>> overcrowding, or a big group wants a new planet to pursue their unique >>> religious/political ideas outside of the home world? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> >>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:00:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking >>> >>> >>> >>> If they have the technology to reach us, they probably solved their >>> resource problem already. Or close to it. >>> >>> I think that we should keep a positive outlook on this. We may come >>> across both good and bad beings, but that doesn't mean that it isn't worth >>> the journey. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Martin Baxter >>> <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Time to get into a Quisling frame of mind... >>>> >>>> Seriously, that is something to think about. With all of this lovely H2O >>>> we've got lying about, it makes us a tempting target for colonization. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:14 PM, brent wodehouse < >>>> brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7107207.ece >>>>> >>>>> From The Sunday Times >>>>> >>>>> April 25, 2010 >>>>> >>>>> Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan Leake >>>>> >>>>> THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least >>>>> according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials >>>>> are >>>>> almost certain to exist - but that instead of seeking them out, >>>>> humanity >>>>> should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact. >>>>> >>>>> The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one >>>>> of >>>>> the world’s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on >>>>> some >>>>> of the universe’s greatest mysteries. >>>>> >>>>> Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other >>>>> parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre >>>>> of >>>>> stars or even floating in interplanetary space. >>>>> >>>>> Hawking’s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, >>>>> he >>>>> points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of >>>>> millions >>>>> of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet >>>>> where life has evolved. >>>>> >>>>> “To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens >>>>> perfectly rational,” he said. “The real challenge is to work out what >>>>> aliens might actually be like.” >>>>> >>>>> The answer, he suggests, is that most of it will be the equivalent of >>>>> microbes or simple animals - the sort of life that has dominated Earth >>>>> for most of its history. >>>>> >>>>> One scene in his documentary for the Discovery Channel shows herds of >>>>> two-legged herbivores browsing on an alien cliff-face where they are >>>>> picked off by flying, yellow lizard-like predators. Another shows >>>>> glowing >>>>> fluorescent aquatic animals forming vast shoals in the oceans thought >>>>> to >>>>> underlie the thick ice coating Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter. >>>>> >>>>> Such scenes are speculative, but Hawking uses them to lead on to a >>>>> serious >>>>> point: that a few life forms could be intelligent and pose a threat. >>>>> Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating >>>>> for >>>>> humanity. >>>>> >>>>> He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and >>>>> then >>>>> move on: “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life >>>>> might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they >>>>> might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from >>>>> their >>>>> home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking >>>>> to >>>>> conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.” >>>>> >>>>> He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is “a little >>>>> too >>>>> risky”. He said: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be >>>>> much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t >>>>> turn out very well for the Native Americans.” >>>>> >>>>> The completion of the documentary marks a triumph for Hawking, now 68, >>>>> who >>>>> is paralysed by motor neurone disease and has very limited powers of >>>>> communication. The project took him and his producers three years, >>>>> during >>>>> which he insisted on rewriting large chunks of the script and checking >>>>> the >>>>> filming. >>>>> >>>>> John Smithson, executive producer for Discovery, said: “He wanted to >>>>> make >>>>> a programme that was entertaining for a general audience as well as >>>>> scientific and that’s a tough job, given the complexity of the ideas >>>>> involved.” >>>>> >>>>> Hawking has suggested the possibility of alien life before but his >>>>> views >>>>> have been clarified by a series of scientific breakthroughs, such as >>>>> the >>>>> discovery, since 1995, of more than 450 planets orbiting distant stars, >>>>> showing that planets are a common phenomenon. >>>>> >>>>> So far, all the new planets found have been far larger than Earth, but >>>>> only because the telescopes used to detect them are not sensitive >>>>> enough >>>>> to detect Earth-sized bodies at such distances. >>>>> >>>>> Another breakthrough is the discovery that life on Earth has proven >>>>> able >>>>> to colonise its most extreme environments. If life can survive and >>>>> evolve >>>>> there, scientists reason, then perhaps nowhere is out of bounds. >>>>> >>>>> Hawking’s belief in aliens places him in good scientific company. In >>>>> his >>>>> recent Wonders of the Solar System BBC series, Professor Brian Cox >>>>> backed >>>>> the idea, too, suggesting Mars, Europa and Titan, a moon of Saturn, as >>>>> likely places to look. >>>>> >>>>> Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture earlier >>>>> this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human understanding. >>>>> >>>>> “I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we >>>>> can’t conceive,” he said. “Just as a chimpanzee can’t understand >>>>> quantum >>>>> theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the >>>>> capacity of our brains.” >>>>> >>>>> Stephen Hawking's Universe begins on the Discovery Channel on Sunday >>>>> May 9 >>>>> at 9pm >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody >>>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >>> Mahogany at: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >> Mahogany at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! 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