Hi Rick,

First, no, I'm sure WE has nothing to do with you having to login or not; I 
cannot explain that, unless you've got some program that is simulating activity 
(Rod wrote such an app for instance to help keep alive a wireless audio 
connection, but such activity would also fool windows into thinking someone was 
at the pc).

Second, I have seen issues with extra unwanted speech tied to use of the arrow 
keys; in my case, it was a WE feature for speaking "tool tips".  It would read 
whatever line the mouse pointer was on, after reading the line my arrow key 
cursor indicated.  So, sometimes I'd get a lot of extra speech, and others I'd 
not get any, depending upon where the mouse pointer was positioned.

You can eliminate this by going into the WE control panel  and finding the 
General group of settings, open it up and find its "other" subgroup, and tab 
over to the "speak tool tips" setting and set it to "off" (and save of course).

Hth and thanks for keeping us updated on what you find.

Chip



Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314


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From: Scripting 
[mailto:scripting-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Scripting
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:19 AM
To: 'LB'; 'Window-Eyes Scripting List'
Subject: RE: Patterns Of Focus Problems

Hi Bruce EtAl:
Have you installed Windows 10 yet?
Also, I disabled a bunch of the "standard" apps provided by WE leaving a
couple enabled and this morning so far, I havent had any problems like I was
having yesterday and WE is running more snappy with better response - at
least it seems that way so far.
I did notice, after stopping these same disabled apps, that yesterday when I
went to work out leaving the machine active for a couple of hours, that when
I came back I did not have to log in again as I usually do - no log in
screen had come up.
I thought this was a feature of Windows itself but everything was still
active without me having to log in again.
Does WE have anything to do with having to log in after leaving the computer
inactive for a long period of time?
Rick USA


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From: LB [mailto:lab...@fltg.net] 
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 1:14 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Scripting List
Subject: Re: Patterns Of Focus Problems

Hi Rick,
    Download Windows 10, it is free.

    I encountered almost the same problem inside Windows 8 in general. It 
seems to slow down, stop and think, then move back into normal mode. Windows

8.1 made it worse; HP techs said do not do that upgrade from Windows 8.
    If Jaws has no problem then it is probably how Windoweyes obtains focus 
on a window. I had a long talk with a Windows8-10 beta tester and Microsoft 
has changed many things, including the stop of using end tags on the 
Internet. Which I found out when writing the next version of my Breaking 
News program, which resolved those issues not knowing what had changed; 
which I probably should upload the latest version since it has been more 
than a year I had uploaded it.

    I guess you should also make sure you are in local sign-in mode and not 
the web mode for that will surely cause a crash, especially with the WE 
program.

    Also, I have been told you can download the Windows 10 from the 
Microsoft web store for free since it is actually a bug fix of Windows 8.

    I suggest you do that and see if it works better.

        Bruce

Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 6:00 AM
Subject: Patterns Of Focus Problems


Hi Scriptors:
After using WE for some time now with MS Windows 8.1 I have noticed a
pattern to some problems.
In my in-house Microsoft Visual Studio Developed project WE has trouble
holding or finding focus on a Master Detail form with a MenuBar.
When I open the menu bar and right arrow WE might read File View File View
File View Edit File View file view edit sorts etc...
It reads the first couple of menus like the other ones are not there for a
few times then might pick up another menu and so on until they are all read
but sometimes goes back to the first 2 menus only if I keep arrowing around
the Menu Bar, sometimes it works pretty much correctly if I go slow.
When I try to down arrow through the Menu Items in one of the menus we may
start reading the first few menu items then lock up until I tab or alt tab
to change focus to another control and back again.
Then it is a struggle to get back into the menu and find a given menu item
as described above.
Sometimes reading through the ListBox using the arrow keys WE just locks up.
Sometimes I might hear the word graphic spoken before it locks up, most
times not.
Note that sometimes WE works fine but lately it is getting worse and worse.
Always  When I LogOn to my computer after letting it go into sleep mode WE
stutters on the Password like Sta star sta star sta star sta star etc as I
type each letter.
Sounds like it is trying to read then ReRead the word star cutting off
speech in the middle of trying to speek the word twice.
Also, after logging on this way my Outlook messages wont read and the last
time even Internet Explorer wouldnt read, just ping ping trying to read
using the arrow keys in both cases - web problem for WE?
Sometimes I hear things spoken that are not in a focused object I am trying
to either alt-tab to or otherwise navigate to.
Now, all this speaks of WE trying to read more than it should, perhaps
reading the entire dom for each keypress or some "hidden" object(s) that are
causing WE focus and, or, reading problems?
I dont know but this seems to be hinting at some type of problem related to
WE trying to find the correct item to hold focus and thus speak.
None of these problems are exhibited by JAWS - I have tested them out with
the alternate reader to ensure it was  not a Microsoft problem.
Note that my past experience, postings, on Visual Studio problems fall into
this focus problem category as well and that the Visual Studio problems are
also not present in JAWS or, for that matter, in a couple of other screen
readers I usually have to fall back on.
So, these problems may be a result of trying to read the entire dom or WE
getting lost in the middle of trying to position itself and allowing focus
to get mixed up during this process somehow like trying to handle some
hidden object(s) or something else that impacts focus temporarily and,
sometimes, causing unresolvable focus problems?
While this all is indeed problematic the reason for this posting is to help
identify, perhaps, the source(s) of the many problems WindowEyes is having
lately so dont take it personally guys but see if you can add to the
analysis.
Perhaps the WE Staff will have a light bulb moment if they see a pattern and
recognize something from their deep knowledge of the WE code base.
I posted to the talk list to see if anyone has noticed these types of
problems as well but not so much detail just in case they can add something
relevant.
Note that if I go really slow sometimes some of these problems don't crop up
so often but sometimes they still do.
Rick USA

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