Re: List Problems?
I've said it before and I'll probably say it many times again. Thank you for your time, bandwidth, storage and CPU-hours! Also thanks for the update. /P On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 04:12:57PM -0600, Jay West via cctalk wrote: > Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went down a couple weeks ago > and again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the > classiccmp server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather > than just migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything. All > software, all dependancies, OS, etc etc. > > My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and > then migrate one website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This way > I could make sure things are running ok before just moving everything. What > that means is that as of this moment, some classiccmp related websites are on > the 'old' but running server, and some are on the 'new' but running server. > That is why - for just one example - that when the old (but still in > production) server went down a couple weeks ago (see below)... bitsavers > still stayed up and running. It had already been migrated. > > So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a > horrendous iscsi issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some silly > assumptions made by the developers, or at least lack of time to fix it. It's > also due to some bad network related items. But mostly it is due to the fact > that all of our production clients we moved off the old stuff a year ago and > that hardware isn't well maintained and targeted for decommission. That can't > happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and all the vintage computer > related sites that I host for free get moved. > > Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue > presents itself, I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long long > time. > > So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just need > to find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it will be > stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at times. About the > only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event, buy me a > glass of beer and I'll be happy. > > J > > > > >
Re: HP 9836U processor mystery...
On 11/6/2017 8:59 PM, Tony Duell wrote: On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: I'm curious if other people out there with 9836U's can confirm whether their machine has a 68000 or a 68010 in it, I'd just like to settle the internet discrepancy once and for all :). Mine identifies the CPU as a 68010 in the power-on diagnostic. But from what I remember the PGA socket could also take a 68012 (with extra address pins brought out). I don't have such a chip, so no idea what it would identify as. -tony Interesting. So it looks like either processor was possible for the U variant. (With a 68012 as a possibility as well.) hpmuseum.net is back up; here's the document I was referring to that mentions the 68000, see page 16: http://www.hpmuseum.net/pdf/ComputerNews_1983_Dec1_37pages_OCR.pdf What BOOTROM version do you have in your machine? I have 4.0, I'm curious if there's a later version. Thanks, Josh
Re: List Problems?
On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz >> >> On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >>> I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems. Are >>> there still issues? >> >> I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based >> mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not >> responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was >> GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists >> all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two. >> >> No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I >> have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to >> spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved >> itself and chances are, very few were affected. > > This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a > friend here in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and > www.classiccmp.org not responding. The only reason I saw these two emails is because I’m CC’d on them. At least I now know that I can send emails to classiccmp, but I’m not getting emails from at this address. I’m not sure if the problem is with my new email provider (Rackspace), or with classiccmp. This is the only mail that I’m aware of not coming through. I’m not on as many email lists as I used to be, but the others seem to be working. Oddly enough, I’m still getting email at my Aracnet address since regaining email access to that account. Zane
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 11/7/2017 7:53 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: They looked like giant purple snowballs. The droppings destroy the paint on your car, however. Irvine is covered with them. There is another tree with a red flower that has the tendril type bloom, I couldn't find what they were called. Same problem with paint. Maybe someone here more familiar with tree blooms might know. Just called them red and purple trees, but did know the purple was the Jacaranda. Would have loved to visit, if you come back out, let me know. thanks Jim
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
On 11/07/2017 05:47 PM, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote: A ballpen with normal inards but a outside of wood - real Jakkaranda (old stock from an well known swedish carpenter.) I have no idea what Jacaranda (US spelling) looks like, but the trees are absolutely STUNNING when they are in bloom. I happened to be in the Los Angeles area late this spring, and got to see them in that state. They looked like giant purple snowballs. Jon
Re: List Problems?
>About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy. I'm some 10.000 km from you, I doubt I'll have the pleasure of buying you a beer in person. Maybe a button we could remotely click? :) 2017-11-07 20:12 GMT-02:00 Jay West via cctalk : > Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went down a couple weeks ago > and again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the > classiccmp server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather > than just migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything. All > software, all dependancies, OS, etc etc. > > My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and > then migrate one website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This > way I could make sure things are running ok before just moving everything. > What that means is that as of this moment, some classiccmp related websites > are on the 'old' but running server, and some are on the 'new' but running > server. That is why - for just one example - that when the old (but still > in production) server went down a couple weeks ago (see below)... bitsavers > still stayed up and running. It had already been migrated. > > So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a > horrendous iscsi issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some > silly assumptions made by the developers, or at least lack of time to fix > it. It's also due to some bad network related items. But mostly it is due > to the fact that all of our production clients we moved off the old stuff a > year ago and that hardware isn't well maintained and targeted for > decommission. That can't happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and > all the vintage computer related sites that I host for free get moved. > > Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue > presents itself, I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long > long time. > > So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just > need to find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it > will be stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at times. > About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event, > buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy. > > J > > > > > >
Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA
sön 2017-10-29 klockan 23:49 +0100 skrev Tomasz Rola via cctalk: > On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 08:43:36PM -, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony > > > Duell > > > via cctalk > [...] > > > > > > Doesn't randomly crash. > > > Doesn't get viruses > > > Doesn't have licence agreements > > Also: no ransomware. > Personally i got myself this weekend a a nice ballpen. A ballpen with normal inards but a outside of wood - real Jakkaranda (old stock from an well known swedish carpenter.) > > These devices are not without problems... > > > > If I use a Pen the ink leaks all over my shirt, > > > I switched to a clutch pencil and when I dropped it all the leads broke... > > I have been using ballpen a lot. Problem was, when original ink holder > ran out, the replacements I could buy were of mediocore quality. So I > optimised and now go with disposables - like Stabilo. Also, Bic, if I > have chance. Or anything from that shelve, I am not purist. > > As of ink leaks, perhaps holding pen in some hardened case would do? > Maybe together with notepad? > The ink patron itself is a standard version (unfortunately not Ballograf.)
RE: List Problems?
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, Jay West via cctalk wrote: it will be stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at times. About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy. Until we happen to run into you, is there a beer button that we can click?
RE: List Problems?
Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went down a couple weeks ago and again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the classiccmp server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather than just migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything. All software, all dependancies, OS, etc etc. My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and then migrate one website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This way I could make sure things are running ok before just moving everything. What that means is that as of this moment, some classiccmp related websites are on the 'old' but running server, and some are on the 'new' but running server. That is why - for just one example - that when the old (but still in production) server went down a couple weeks ago (see below)... bitsavers still stayed up and running. It had already been migrated. So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a horrendous iscsi issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some silly assumptions made by the developers, or at least lack of time to fix it. It's also due to some bad network related items. But mostly it is due to the fact that all of our production clients we moved off the old stuff a year ago and that hardware isn't well maintained and targeted for decommission. That can't happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and all the vintage computer related sites that I host for free get moved. Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue presents itself, I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long long time. So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just need to find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it will be stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at times. About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy. J
snippit of R2E hisoty on the surplus market. DEALIN'' ELECTRONICS date??
Later in life when Bull owned R2E there was a z-80 with either just floppy or floppy and hard drive... I have a catalog of an outfit surplussing a group of them in USA called DEALIN'' ELECTRONICS in Palo Alto. Date? Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Re: List Problems?
I had this just last weekend. No mail from the list starting early morning on the 4th and didn't start getting new mail till the morning of the 6th. During that time the website wasn't responding for me either. -- Hayden On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz >> Rola via cctalk >> Sent: 07 November 2017 18:26 >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> Cc: Zane Healy >> Subject: Re: List Problems? >> >> On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >> > I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems. Are >> > there still issues? >> >> I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based >> mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not >> responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was >> GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists >> all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two. >> >> No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I >> have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to >> spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved >> itself and chances are, very few were affected. >> > > > This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a > friend here in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and > www.classiccmp.org not responding. > > Regards > > Rob >
Re: List Problems?
>> -Original Message- >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz >> Rola via cctalk >> Sent: 07 November 2017 18:26 >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> Cc: Zane Healy >> Subject: Re: List Problems? >> >> On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >> > I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems. Are >> > there still issues? >> >> I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based >> mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not >> responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was >> GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists >> all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two. >> >> No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I >> have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to >> spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved >> itself and chances are, very few were affected. >> > > > This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a > friend here in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and > www.classiccmp.org not responding. > > Regards > > Rob If better hosting is required and there was a donation button, I'd be happy to click it. I'm sure many other list members would be too. Aaron.
RE: List Problems?
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz > Rola via cctalk > Sent: 07 November 2017 18:26 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Cc: Zane Healy > Subject: Re: List Problems? > > On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems. Are > > there still issues? > > I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based > mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not > responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was > GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists > all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two. > > No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I > have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to > spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved > itself and chances are, very few were affected. > This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a friend here in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and www.classiccmp.org not responding. Regards Rob
Re: List Problems?
On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems. Are > there still issues? I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two. No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved itself and chances are, very few were affected. [...] > > It will be interesting to see if this makes it through. It made it through, apparently. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
Re: PDP-8 chassis on eBay
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > Yes. An 8/e/f/m bezel and panel should fit. It shouldn't be horribly > hard to find a bare Omnibus backplane block. The original PSU might > be a bit tougher, but except for classic purity, there's nothing > wrong with coming up with a modern PSU for it. Not sure why there's a > 10A fuse for -15V. I totally believe the 1.5A for +15V, but I don't > know what peripherals draw that much current at -15V, unless it's part > of the core memory requirements. M-series logic is mostly TTL and > mostly +5V. I don't know how much current it needs, but a quick check in the PDP8/e printset shows that that the core memory does use the -15V supply rail. -tony
Re: PDP-8 chassis on eBay
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Dave via cctalk wrote: > Can you tell which PDP8 this goes with? Would an 8/e panel fit? Looks like a long Omnibus chassis, so -8/e or -8/f. Yes. An 8/e/f/m bezel and panel should fit. It shouldn't be horribly hard to find a bare Omnibus backplane block. The original PSU might be a bit tougher, but except for classic purity, there's nothing wrong with coming up with a modern PSU for it. Not sure why there's a 10A fuse for -15V. I totally believe the 1.5A for +15V, but I don't know what peripherals draw that much current at -15V, unless it's part of the core memory requirements. M-series logic is mostly TTL and mostly +5V. If you were going to fit a modernish unit in there, like some flavor of 6120 board, you'd probably have to roll your own front panel. The Spare Time Gizmos products are all 2:3 scale. -ethan
Re: PDP-8 chassis on eBay
The seller in the past sold an 8i I believe, it's probably an 8i. Bill On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Dave via cctalk wrote: > Can you tell which PDP8 this goes with? Would an 8/e panel fit? > Dave > > On Monday, November 6, 2017 11:26 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > So if someone's building an earlier -8 from bits and pieces, here: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/192350321318 > > is something they might find useful - an empty chassis. > > (I'm not associated with the seller, although I've bought stuff from them > before. They have some other PDP-8 stuff listed, too.) > > Noel > > > > >
Re: PDP-8 chassis on eBay
Can you tell which PDP8 this goes with? Would an 8/e panel fit? Dave On Monday, November 6, 2017 11:26 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: So if someone's building an earlier -8 from bits and pieces, here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/192350321318 is something they might find useful - an empty chassis. (I'm not associated with the seller, although I've bought stuff from them before. They have some other PDP-8 stuff listed, too.) Noel
Re: RK06 dirve
On 11/1/2017 11:03 PM, william degnan via cctalk wrote: > Does anyone out there have an DEC RK06 drive? > Bill > I have neither a drive nor packs. However, I did disassemble a couple of RK06 drives many years ago, and have a smattering of parts and boards, a couple of backplanes, spindles, power supply parts, etc. JRJ
Re: HP 9836U processor mystery...
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk > wrote: >> >> Mine identifies the CPU as a 68010 in the power-on diagnostic. But from >> what >> I remember the PGA socket could also take a 68012 (with extra address pins >> brought out). I don't have such a chip, so no idea what it would identify >> as. > > > Do you mean that it will actually use the extra address pins? Well, theyare certainly wired to the MMU circuitry. I have no idea if any software makes use of it though. -tony
Re: RL02 Spinup fails
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:21, Aaron Jackson via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> I based my terminator off Mark >> Blair's RL02 to USB project: >> >> https://github.com/NF6X/RL02-USB/blob/master/pcbs/RL02-USB-terminator/RL02-USB-terminator.pdf > > Hi there! Just one warning: My project stalled after I ordered boards and > lost inertia while waiting for them, and I have not yet put together the > hardware. Thus, I can’t guarantee that my terminator design is correct yet. > I’m glad that it has been deemed to be potentially useful even in its > unfinished state, and I sure hope that I haven’t led anybody down the wrong > path due to any errors that may be in the design. Good luck! Hi Mark, Thanks for your words of caution. :) I think it is correct thought. I found this old post on classiccmp which seems to agree with your design, although the pins might be reversed. I've tried it both ways... https://marc.info/?l=classiccmp&m=104966057301826&w=2 Thanks, Aaron.
Re: Sun part available, new old stock
FWIW, this is a lot of Pci dual and quad ethernet nics, a mounting kit and a couple of fiber channel adapters. done by googling each number, no further investigation. I think there was on sbus nic Nice if you need it. thanks for passing along thanks jim On 11/6/2017 11:22 PM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: I have no idea if these are old enough to be useful. Not affiliated with seller, etc. WTS Sun MODULES, NEW, qty 300, CALL, New Surplus Sun Accessories and Modules We have quantities of the following Sun part numbers. All stock is new/surplus. SUN 594-3394-01 SUN XA SUN SG-XPCIE1FC-QF4 SUN QLE2460-SUN-X0 SUN X6920A SUN X7282A-Z SUN X4422A-2 SUN X4447A-Z SUN X4445A SUN 375-3418-01 SUN X4213A SUN X5043A-Z SUN 375-3382-01 Contact us at sale...@assetlc.com for additional details. Thank you. Asset Life Cycle, LLC Phone: (785) 861-3100 Fax: (785) 861-3193 sale...@assetlc.com Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: RL02 Spinup fails
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:21, Aaron Jackson via cctalk > wrote: > > I based my terminator off Mark > Blair's RL02 to USB project: > > https://github.com/NF6X/RL02-USB/blob/master/pcbs/RL02-USB-terminator/RL02-USB-terminator.pdf Hi there! Just one warning: My project stalled after I ordered boards and lost inertia while waiting for them, and I have not yet put together the hardware. Thus, I can’t guarantee that my terminator design is correct yet. I’m glad that it has been deemed to be potentially useful even in its unfinished state, and I sure hope that I haven’t led anybody down the wrong path due to any errors that may be in the design. Good luck!