Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Or you could say he likes facts instead of hyperbole. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:21 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > > That just shows that you are less interested in discussing technology than > you are in scoring debating points. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Actually, it was a lot better than listening to the usual political fare. At least the panelists were making sense--no crackpot theories, no totally non-reality-based assertions, etc. And I was doing t'ai chi at the time, so I wasn't particularly demanding. And, as the participants pointed out, without having the device in hand, there's not a lot you CAN say about the iPad [and similar yet- to-be released devices] in a public forum on the radio, without looking silly. And speaking of silly--the Frontline program on the Digital Revolution (or whatever) on WETA last night. I agree that looking things up on Google is a lot faster than looking them up in the encyclopedia, and texting to your friends is a little faster than talking on the phone, but will we have a whole new type of human being, just because a lot of middle-class people have bought wireless plans and carry smartphones? Because students cheat by downloading a plot synopsis of "Romeo and Juliet" instead of getting it from Cliff's Notes? On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:36 AM, t.piwowar wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I listened. It was about what you would expect. The participants concluded that the iPad was a developmental stage beyond the iPod or iPhone, but not really revolutionary, at least for now. They agreed that there could be interesting developments in the future (involving the iPad and its successors), but they couldn't foresee anything specific, because the exact nature of computer "progress" is often difficult to predict. Oh you make it sound sooo sad. Nowhere near as much fun as listening to the weather forecast. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I listened. It was about what you would expect. The participants concluded that the iPad was a developmental stage beyond the iPod or iPhone, but not really revolutionary, at least for now. They agreed that there could be interesting developments in the future (involving the iPad and its successors), but they couldn't foresee anything specific, because the exact nature of computer "progress" is often difficult to predict. Oh you make it sound sooo sad. Nowhere near as much fun as listening to the weather forecast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
I listened. It was about what you would expect. The participants concluded that the iPad was a developmental stage beyond the iPod or iPhone, but not really revolutionary, at least for now. They agreed that there could be interesting developments in the future (involving the iPad and its successors), but they couldn't foresee anything specific, because the exact nature of computer "progress" is often difficult to predict. That's about it. The Diane Rehm show can be accessed in various formats from the website, if you want further details. --Constance On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Did anyone listen to the Diane Rhems show this morning where they discussed the Ipad? Stewart At 02:13 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: Apple requests removal of USB functionality for file transfer from developer. http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/02/apple-stanza-usb/ ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:00 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: This is what others have been saying in one fashion or another, and each in their own way, including folks on this list. This is one thing you wrote saying just a few days ago in response to such observations: That just shows that you are less interested in discussing technology than you are in scoring debating points. Studding the iPad with obsolescent ports is not a good thing. My wanting better interchange is not an appeal for more ports. The built- in 802.11n should be entirely sufficient. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wireless vs. wired, just a thought to chew on
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:42 PM, tjpa wrote: > Of course it has "n". That you would even raise the question shows you don't > know Apple. Sigh. I already answered this anyway. Your post here is redundant, but it did give you a chance to snark. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wireless vs. wired, just a thought to chew on
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: > So that the government can snoop more easily? Actually, quite possibly. The government snoops have been absolutely thrilled about our penchant for cell phones and for exactly that reason. The national security state is being cemented into place to a great degree by the so-called "digital revolution." Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:40 PM, tjpa wrote: > This lack of interchange is the #1 iPhone/iTouch/iPad deficiency. I > understand why Apple is so extreme about protecting their product, but I > wish they could find a better way. The thing that made the iPod so appealing > was that I could easily fill it with my own content. If the Apple Store were > the only source of MP3s I don't think the iPod would have been successful. This is what others have been saying in one fashion or another, and each in their own way, including folks on this list. This is one thing you wrote saying just a few days ago in response to such observations: "You forgot to mention the lack of parallel port and built-in floppy disk drive. Apple is showing you the future while you cling to the past. Everything you mention is a technology on its way out. You want the iPad studded with ports that you should no longer need. That is not how Apple leads." Jobs was fond of quoting Wayne Gretzky about how he, Gretzky, was successful because he always skated to where the puck was going to be, not to where it currently was. Of course, that tack would work for Gretzky because he was almost exclusively a shooter. Well, it took a lot of "muckers" working that puck where it lay on the ice in order to put it onto Gretzky's stick so that he could score those goals. Jobs sees himself as Gretzky. The "muckers" are his minions and the buying public. So, just maybe Apple's lead, real as it is in many ways, may be predicated to a great extent upon protecting its own turf and increasing corporate attempts to demonstrate to the public who the boss really is even as they put out some nice products. Serving the wishes or desires of their end users for hardware that they can use in a manner and style of their own choosing may be more secondary than primary these days. Is Mr. Jobs personal trepidation or any likely fears about his own human frailty being reflected in how he is running Apple Corp? Just a thought. And, yes, your observation about the success of the iPod is well taken. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wireless vs. wired, just a thought to chew on
So that the government can snoop more easily? Fred Holmes At 09:43 AM 2/2/2010, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: >Why would we want to go from megabits to nanobits per >second, in a comparative sense, along with lost packets and lots of >RFI for everyone, everywhere? I can think of but two reasons at this >moment, a potential for convenience and money. Perhaps others can >come up with additional reasons. > > Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wireless vs. wired, just a thought to chew on
No as I am not sure the Ipod Touch even has N yet. I think it maxes out at G. As most portable devices are right now. Stewart At 06:42 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: On Feb 2, 2010, at 3:54 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Answering myself here, the iPad is configured for "n." Of course it has "n". That you would even raise the question shows you don't know Apple. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
No but I am not going to get into a shouting match with you either. Stewart At 06:41 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: Do you think you will be misusing their intellectual property if you gave us an outline? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wireless vs. wired, just a thought to chew on
On Feb 2, 2010, at 3:54 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Answering myself here, the iPad is configured for "n." Of course it has "n". That you would even raise the question shows you don't know Apple. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:13 PM, rocky lee wrote: Apple requests removal of USB functionality for file transfer from developer. This lack of interchange is the #1 iPhone/iTouch/iPad deficiency. I understand why Apple is so extreme about protecting their product, but I wish they could find a better way. The thing that made the iPod so appealing was that I could easily fill it with my own content. If the Apple Store were the only source of MP3s I don't think the iPod would have been successful. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: They made some interesting points about the Ipad, and about Apple in the conversation. Do you think you will be misusing their intellectual property if you gave us an outline? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
They made some interesting points about the Ipad, and about Apple in the conversation. Do not want to belabor the discussion if no one listened to it. Stewart At 06:08 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > Did anyone listen to the Diane Rhems show this morning where they discussed > the Ipad? I did not. I am truly not interested in the iPad for my own use although I can easily see how many would be quite taken by the device. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > Did anyone listen to the Diane Rhems show this morning where they discussed > the Ipad? I did not. I am truly not interested in the iPad for my own use although I can easily see how many would be quite taken by the device. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital goes awry, or a scare tactic?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:31 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > Well she is a reporter and doesn't need to be the brightest bulb on the > strip. > > I would not expect to see much in the way of liquid water or slush on the > ground if she had anything resembling an accurate reading. I must say that I became immediately suspicious that she, or someone else, may have intentionally calibrated that digital thermometer in a manner to cause it to give a low reading for dramatic purposes, but did not realize that it had been set to come up with such a wildly inaccurate reading. All pure speculation, but I do know how TV loves to overly dramatize things to keep viewers glued to their televisions in order to please advertisers who are, in fact, their only customers. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Did anyone listen to the Diane Rhems show this morning where they discussed the Ipad? Stewart At 02:13 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: Apple requests removal of USB functionality for file transfer from developer. http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/02/apple-stanza-usb/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital goes awry, or a scare tactic?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:34 PM, John Duncan Yoyo > wrote: > > > Having worked in laboratories all my life I can tell you calibration is a > > big issue. > > I immediately thought of a calibration problem when I saw that very > improbable reading on the thermometer the reporter was using. I dunno > why she didn't think of that as well, but then again, she was out in > the field and maybe, just maybe, she thought that reading was correct. > Someone at the TV station, at least the weather person, surely must > have realized that something was probably wrong. After all, that > reading was 16 degrees off from what the TV station was displaying > on-screen, adjacent to their logo, as being the current temperature. > > That apparent inaccurate reading did, however, conform to the > hyperventilating she was engaged in at the moment. She had just > finished interviewing a motorist, trying her best to elicit admissions > from him that he was facing a terribly challenging task on the > roadways given all the snow. But he was not going along, insisting > instead that even his Mustang, hardly a snow car, would have no > problems getting him home in a reasonable amount of time, and that the > roads looked pretty good to him. And with that, she whips out the > digital thermometer and gets the 16 degree reading and accompanies > that with exclamations about the perils of ice. Final tally for the > TV viewers? She wins the argument and the poor guy might die trying > to get home. Go figure. > > Well she is a reporter and doesn't need to be the brightest bulb on the strip. I would not expect to see much in the way of liquid water or slush on the ground if she had anything resembling an accurate reading. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital goes awry, or a scare tactic?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:34 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > Having worked in laboratories all my life I can tell you calibration is a > big issue. I immediately thought of a calibration problem when I saw that very improbable reading on the thermometer the reporter was using. I dunno why she didn't think of that as well, but then again, she was out in the field and maybe, just maybe, she thought that reading was correct. Someone at the TV station, at least the weather person, surely must have realized that something was probably wrong. After all, that reading was 16 degrees off from what the TV station was displaying on-screen, adjacent to their logo, as being the current temperature. That apparent inaccurate reading did, however, conform to the hyperventilating she was engaged in at the moment. She had just finished interviewing a motorist, trying her best to elicit admissions from him that he was facing a terribly challenging task on the roadways given all the snow. But he was not going along, insisting instead that even his Mustang, hardly a snow car, would have no problems getting him home in a reasonable amount of time, and that the roads looked pretty good to him. And with that, she whips out the digital thermometer and gets the 16 degree reading and accompanies that with exclamations about the perils of ice. Final tally for the TV viewers? She wins the argument and the poor guy might die trying to get home. Go figure. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital goes awry, or a scare tactic?
Having worked in laboratories all my life I can tell you calibration is a big issue. Thermometers for people only really need to accurate over fairly narrow range. Something like 90 to 110 F should cover most situations that a doctor would expect to see in practice. They could still be wildly innaccurate outside that range and be useful. Another big issue is using instrumentation properly. Waving that IR thermometer around and getting a proper and accurate reading is at best iffy. Not knowing the exact instrument I would bet that it has a Maximum effective range of around a couple feet any more than that and the readings should be suspect. http://www.allqa.com/IR.htm Plus she just may have found a cold spot. Vienna did get dumped on last night. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: > You may have seen tape recorded some time ago. However, when responding > to my doctor's questions about temperature, I replied, adding, but it's > just an old glass/mercury thermometer. Doctor replied - those are still > the best. > > Thank you, > Mark Snyder > -Original Message- As it was snowing here in the DC area last > night, I tuned to Channel > 9 at 11pm to see what they were reporting. Lo and behold they had, as > usual, someone out in the weather. A reporter was on the scene, out > in the show, pointing out how treacherous things may be getting. > Nearing the end of her short piece, she pulls out a digital > thermometer as says that she is going to take a temperature reading > just to let viewers see how bad things are getting (actually, it was > not really all that bad, but as we know, TV has to hype things up.) > She points the digital thermometer toward the ground and the camera > zooms in to get a close look at the digital display. Amazingly, the > thermometer is reading 16 degrees F. I say to myself, "How can that > possibly be." I live miles to the west where it is always colder and > it is but 30 degrees, and the on-screen temperature display as > provided by the TV station next to their logo says 32 degrees. No > correction or mention is made about the glaring disparity, so I was > left to wonder about just what the heck that was all about. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Apple requests removal of USB functionality for file transfer from developer. http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/02/apple-stanza-usb/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital goes awry, or a scare tactic?
You may have seen tape recorded some time ago. However, when responding to my doctor's questions about temperature, I replied, adding, but it's just an old glass/mercury thermometer. Doctor replied - those are still the best. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- As it was snowing here in the DC area last night, I tuned to Channel 9 at 11pm to see what they were reporting. Lo and behold they had, as usual, someone out in the weather. A reporter was on the scene, out in the show, pointing out how treacherous things may be getting. Nearing the end of her short piece, she pulls out a digital thermometer as says that she is going to take a temperature reading just to let viewers see how bad things are getting (actually, it was not really all that bad, but as we know, TV has to hype things up.) She points the digital thermometer toward the ground and the camera zooms in to get a close look at the digital display. Amazingly, the thermometer is reading 16 degrees F. I say to myself, "How can that possibly be." I live miles to the west where it is always colder and it is but 30 degrees, and the on-screen temperature display as provided by the TV station next to their logo says 32 degrees. No correction or mention is made about the glaring disparity, so I was left to wonder about just what the heck that was all about. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital goes awry, or a scare tactic?
Good question. I know these infrared thermometers are all the rage in baby thermometers right now. Presumably if those things are 15 degrees off we would have heard something? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > As it was snowing here in the DC area last night, I tuned to Channel > 9 at 11pm to see what they were reporting. Lo and behold they had, as > usual, someone out in the weather. A reporter was on the scene, out > in the show, pointing out how treacherous things may be getting. > Nearing the end of her short piece, she pulls out a digital > thermometer as says that she is going to take a temperature reading > just to let viewers see how bad things are getting (actually, it was > not really all that bad, but as we know, TV has to hype things up.) > She points the digital thermometer toward the ground and the camera > zooms in to get a close look at the digital display. Amazingly, the > thermometer is reading 16 degrees F. I say to myself, "How can that > possibly be." I live miles to the west where it is always colder and > it is but 30 degrees, and the on-screen temperature display as > provided by the TV station next to their logo says 32 degrees. No > correction or mention is made about the glaring disparity, so I was > left to wonder about just what the heck that was all about. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Digital goes awry, or a scare tactic?
As it was snowing here in the DC area last night, I tuned to Channel 9 at 11pm to see what they were reporting. Lo and behold they had, as usual, someone out in the weather. A reporter was on the scene, out in the show, pointing out how treacherous things may be getting. Nearing the end of her short piece, she pulls out a digital thermometer as says that she is going to take a temperature reading just to let viewers see how bad things are getting (actually, it was not really all that bad, but as we know, TV has to hype things up.) She points the digital thermometer toward the ground and the camera zooms in to get a close look at the digital display. Amazingly, the thermometer is reading 16 degrees F. I say to myself, "How can that possibly be." I live miles to the west where it is always colder and it is but 30 degrees, and the on-screen temperature display as provided by the TV station next to their logo says 32 degrees. No correction or mention is made about the glaring disparity, so I was left to wonder about just what the heck that was all about. Steve -- WARNING: Due to a Presidential Executive Order, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant or notic * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New SIM
The one flaw here is I don't believe 98% of us are GIs in Iraqi sandstorms. However, I do prefer regular sized things I generally use like keyboards, mice, etc. But this last year of flying on commercial airlines has me wishing for smaller other things. After seeing the new projection phones I was thinking it would be great if they made a regular sized keyboard with the computer built in and a projection capability so I wouldn't need a monitor. Nuclear powered of course. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:40 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: > Deconstructing: smaller, key parts, every year. Fine. And good for those > who crave koolaid. Now, let others of us get on with our purposes in life. > Selling the next smaller key parts every year is kinda dull. Is that all > there is? I haven't time or cash to devote to the bottom line of those who > bring hollow enforced "improvement" in order to ask for new investment on > their behalf. Perhaps you do. Good luck with that, and make that four wheel > drive. 98% of the world's people haven't time for such profligacy. Or > better yet: ask a GI to change the new, improved 30% smaller sim card in an > Iraqi sand storm. > > Tell us you have not noticed the trend where everything electronic gets > smaller every year. Is it not natural that as part of this process key > internal parts get smaller too? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
