Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
I'm probably off topic, and sorry for that, but my camera can't and I'm very interesting by this functionality if one day it appears. Waiting, I would like to thanks so much all peoples working on DT for the incredible works they already done. Le 20/04/2020 à 16:39, Willy Williams a écrit : If your camera body has the capability to stack images within the firmware, and to output both JPG and RAW images already stacked(as so many currently do), why do you need an additional body of work to be added to the post-processing within darktable or Hugin? I'm curious as to the thinking. -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
Hi All, focus stacking is used a lot by scientists when they use microscopes. There are some open source options that should work fine for normal images. I have used Combine ZP with very good results before for macro images. ImageJ I use for microscope images but have not yet tried on macro shots, but it should work. There is also Picoplay which I have not personally tried but I have read that it give good results. cheers On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 05:46, jys wrote: > There's more information about using enfuse here: > > https://patdavid.net/2013/01/focus-stacking-macro-photos-enfuse.html > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 03:29, Frank J. wrote: > > > I do focus-stacking with the following workflow: > > > > 1. Export minimal pre-processed pictures of the stack from darktable > > into a folder. > > > > 2. Align the stack with control-points > > > > 3. Compose the final picture from sharp parts > > > > 4. copy exif-tags to the result (time, camera) > > > > 5. re-import the result into darktable for final processing > > > > > > Examples: > > > > 1. > > You can crop the pictures but all must habe the same size. > > Use copy&paste history stack for all pictures. > > You can use 16bit TIFF for better quality. > > > > 2. > > align_image_stack -v -m -a algn 20200420_0001.tif 20200420_0002.tif > > 20200420_0003.tif > > > > Without "-a " the dt-exports are overwritten with aligned > versions. > > With "-p file" a *.pto is created. That is a hugin-Projekt for manual > > interaction. > > > > 3. > > enfuse "$@" --exposure-weight=0 --saturation-weight=0 \ > >--contrast-weight=1 --hard-mask --contrast-window-size=5 \ > >--compression=92 --output=stacked.jpg algn*.tif > > > > > > > > Hugin can be used as a GUI to manually define some > > inclusion-/exclusion-masks for step 3. But most stacking is well done > > without hugin. > > Step 3 can be done from hugin-gui. > > > > There is a LUA-Script "enfuse professional" to assist you in this > > workflow. It can be found at: > > > https://www.multimedia4linux.de/index.php/bildbearbeitung/darktable/darktable-plugin-enfuse-professional > > > > But this LUA-Script will not work for a stack from your "Olympus OM-D > > E-M5 Mk.III" in some cases. > > > > The reason is: Olymus has two modes for focus-stacking > > > > A. Focus-BKT ON, but Focus-Stacking OFF > > B. Focus-BKT ON, and Focus-Stacking ON > > > > Mode A will take a set auf RAW-Pictures. Beginning with the focussed > > point, moving to the background. This will work with LUA "enfuse > > professional". > > > > Mode B will take a set of RAW and JPG and will process the stacked > > picture in the camera as JPG, as you described. > > The first picture will be taken at the focussed point. Then the focus > > jumps nearer and then stepwise to the back. > > Before processing this stack with "align_image_stack" in step 3 you have > > to *sort this pictures by focus-point*. > > "align_image_stack" compares the pictures pair-wise in the given order > > to find the control-points. The first taken picture will not match with > > the second (nearest). The position of the first picture will be skipped. > > It is possible that the two pictures before and after this position > > don't have overlapping sharp areas when this area is very small. > > > > When using the LUA-Script "enfuse professional" you have no chance to > > manually sort the pictures by "fucus-point" without renaming the > pictures. > > > > Therefore I dont use "enfuse professional" but small shell-scripts > > (*.sh) on my Linux-System. > > > > A correction with hugin is not possible when using "enfuse > > professional". The aligned files are in /tmp and will be deletet. No > > chance for taking them for a hugin-project. > > > > Take care not to use lens-correction twice, in darktable and in the > > LUA-Script. > > > > The results auf "align_image_stack" + "enfuse" are better then the > > internal stacking of the camera. > > I got some results on stacks where the camera fails to stack. > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > -- Dr Terry Pinfold Cytometry & Histology Lab Manager Lecturer in Flow Cytometry University of Tasmania 17 Liverpool St, Hobart, 7000 Ph 6226 4846 or 0408 699053 darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
There's more information about using enfuse here: https://patdavid.net/2013/01/focus-stacking-macro-photos-enfuse.html On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 03:29, Frank J. wrote: > I do focus-stacking with the following workflow: > > 1. Export minimal pre-processed pictures of the stack from darktable > into a folder. > > 2. Align the stack with control-points > > 3. Compose the final picture from sharp parts > > 4. copy exif-tags to the result (time, camera) > > 5. re-import the result into darktable for final processing > > > Examples: > > 1. > You can crop the pictures but all must habe the same size. > Use copy&paste history stack for all pictures. > You can use 16bit TIFF for better quality. > > 2. > align_image_stack -v -m -a algn 20200420_0001.tif 20200420_0002.tif > 20200420_0003.tif > > Without "-a " the dt-exports are overwritten with aligned versions. > With "-p file" a *.pto is created. That is a hugin-Projekt for manual > interaction. > > 3. > enfuse "$@" --exposure-weight=0 --saturation-weight=0 \ >--contrast-weight=1 --hard-mask --contrast-window-size=5 \ >--compression=92 --output=stacked.jpg algn*.tif > > > > Hugin can be used as a GUI to manually define some > inclusion-/exclusion-masks for step 3. But most stacking is well done > without hugin. > Step 3 can be done from hugin-gui. > > There is a LUA-Script "enfuse professional" to assist you in this > workflow. It can be found at: > https://www.multimedia4linux.de/index.php/bildbearbeitung/darktable/darktable-plugin-enfuse-professional > > But this LUA-Script will not work for a stack from your "Olympus OM-D > E-M5 Mk.III" in some cases. > > The reason is: Olymus has two modes for focus-stacking > > A. Focus-BKT ON, but Focus-Stacking OFF > B. Focus-BKT ON, and Focus-Stacking ON > > Mode A will take a set auf RAW-Pictures. Beginning with the focussed > point, moving to the background. This will work with LUA "enfuse > professional". > > Mode B will take a set of RAW and JPG and will process the stacked > picture in the camera as JPG, as you described. > The first picture will be taken at the focussed point. Then the focus > jumps nearer and then stepwise to the back. > Before processing this stack with "align_image_stack" in step 3 you have > to *sort this pictures by focus-point*. > "align_image_stack" compares the pictures pair-wise in the given order > to find the control-points. The first taken picture will not match with > the second (nearest). The position of the first picture will be skipped. > It is possible that the two pictures before and after this position > don't have overlapping sharp areas when this area is very small. > > When using the LUA-Script "enfuse professional" you have no chance to > manually sort the pictures by "fucus-point" without renaming the pictures. > > Therefore I dont use "enfuse professional" but small shell-scripts > (*.sh) on my Linux-System. > > A correction with hugin is not possible when using "enfuse > professional". The aligned files are in /tmp and will be deletet. No > chance for taking them for a hugin-project. > > Take care not to use lens-correction twice, in darktable and in the > LUA-Script. > > The results auf "align_image_stack" + "enfuse" are better then the > internal stacking of the camera. > I got some results on stacks where the camera fails to stack. > > Good luck. > > > Frank > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
Before you put too much effort into this just to use Hugin for focus stacking, it should be pointed out that Hugin *doesn't actually do focus stacking*, only exposure stacking and stitching. :) On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 04:43, J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:11:35 -0700 > David Vincent-Jones wrote: > > > If you have installed the script-manager it is located bottom right > > lightable menu column > > How do you install the script-manage? I have darktable 3.0.2 on Ubuntu > 18.04. The menu column shown here is from bottom up export selected, > geotagging, Tagging, Styles, history stack, selected images and select. > It is not to be seen. > > > > > Hugin needs tif/tiff exported data so you can process in dt then > > directly move to Hugin. If the script manage is not in place, then > > use Hugin anyway. > > > > On 2020-04-19 5:32 p.m., darkta...@911networks.com wrote: > > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:07:32 -0700 > > > David Vincent-Jones wrote: > > > > > >> The Hugin/Lua script is already in place > > > Can you please clarify? Where and how? > > > > > > My problem is slightly different, I want to send the exported to > > > mogrify, but it should be very similar... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > -- jys darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
If your camera body has the capability to stack images within the firmware, and to output both JPG and RAW images already stacked(as so many currently do), why do you need an additional body of work to be added to the post-processing within darktable or Hugin? I'm curious as to the thinking. -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 4/20/20 10:16 AM, Jason Polak wrote: I think darktable won't work very well for stacking. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think dartkable's algorithm does not optimize for contrast in different contrast images like you would get in enfuse/enblend. I also do not think darktable does alignment like hugin, so I believe it is not a good idea to use darktable for this specific purpose. Jason On 2020-04-19 2:48 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is a form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
I think darktable won't work very well for stacking. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think dartkable's algorithm does not optimize for contrast in different contrast images like you would get in enfuse/enblend. I also do not think darktable does alignment like hugin, so I believe it is not a good idea to use darktable for this specific purpose. Jason On 2020-04-19 2:48 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: > Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? > I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. > The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera is so > much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. > I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is a > form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:11:35 -0700 David Vincent-Jones wrote: > If you have installed the script-manager it is located bottom right > lightable menu column How do you install the script-manage? I have darktable 3.0.2 on Ubuntu 18.04. The menu column shown here is from bottom up export selected, geotagging, Tagging, Styles, history stack, selected images and select. It is not to be seen. > Hugin needs tif/tiff exported data so you can process in dt then > directly move to Hugin. If the script manage is not in place, then > use Hugin anyway. > > On 2020-04-19 5:32 p.m., darkta...@911networks.com wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:07:32 -0700 > > David Vincent-Jones wrote: > > > >> The Hugin/Lua script is already in place > > Can you please clarify? Where and how? > > > > My problem is slightly different, I want to send the exported to > > mogrify, but it should be very similar... > > > > Thanks > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
Am 19.04.20 um 20:48 schrieb J. Paul Bissonnette: Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is a form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. Hallo Paul, I do focus-stacking with the following workflow: 1. Export minimal pre-processed pictures of the stack from darktable into a folder. 2. Align the stack with control-points 3. Compose the final picture from sharp parts 4. copy exif-tags to the result (time, camera) 5. re-import the result into darktable for final processing Examples: 1. You can crop the pictures but all must habe the same size. Use copy&paste history stack for all pictures. You can use 16bit TIFF for better quality. 2. align_image_stack -v -m -a algn 20200420_0001.tif 20200420_0002.tif 20200420_0003.tif Without "-a " the dt-exports are overwritten with aligned versions. With "-p file" a *.pto is created. That is a hugin-Projekt for manual interaction. 3. enfuse "$@" --exposure-weight=0 --saturation-weight=0 \ --contrast-weight=1 --hard-mask --contrast-window-size=5 \ --compression=92 --output=stacked.jpg algn*.tif Hugin can be used as a GUI to manually define some inclusion-/exclusion-masks for step 3. But most stacking is well done without hugin. Step 3 can be done from hugin-gui. There is a LUA-Script "enfuse professional" to assist you in this workflow. It can be found at: https://www.multimedia4linux.de/index.php/bildbearbeitung/darktable/darktable-plugin-enfuse-professional But this LUA-Script will not work for a stack from your "Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mk.III" in some cases. The reason is: Olymus has two modes for focus-stacking A. Focus-BKT ON, but Focus-Stacking OFF B. Focus-BKT ON, and Focus-Stacking ON Mode A will take a set auf RAW-Pictures. Beginning with the focussed point, moving to the background. This will work with LUA "enfuse professional". Mode B will take a set of RAW and JPG and will process the stacked picture in the camera as JPG, as you described. The first picture will be taken at the focussed point. Then the focus jumps nearer and then stepwise to the back. Before processing this stack with "align_image_stack" in step 3 you have to *sort this pictures by focus-point*. "align_image_stack" compares the pictures pair-wise in the given order to find the control-points. The first taken picture will not match with the second (nearest). The position of the first picture will be skipped. It is possible that the two pictures before and after this position don't have overlapping sharp areas when this area is very small. When using the LUA-Script "enfuse professional" you have no chance to manually sort the pictures by "fucus-point" without renaming the pictures. Therefore I dont use "enfuse professional" but small shell-scripts (*.sh) on my Linux-System. A correction with hugin is not possible when using "enfuse professional". The aligned files are in /tmp and will be deletet. No chance for taking them for a hugin-project. Take care not to use lens-correction twice, in darktable and in the LUA-Script. The results auf "align_image_stack" + "enfuse" are better then the internal stacking of the camera. I got some results on stacks where the camera fails to stack. Good luck. Frank darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
If you have installed the script-manager it is located bottom right lightable menu column Hugin needs tif/tiff exported data so you can process in dt then directly move to Hugin. If the script manage is not in place, then use Hugin anyway. On 2020-04-19 5:32 p.m., darkta...@911networks.com wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:07:32 -0700 David Vincent-Jones wrote: The Hugin/Lua script is already in place Can you please clarify? Where and how? My problem is slightly different, I want to send the exported to mogrify, but it should be very similar... Thanks darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
Please look in the Script Manage and you will see if it is listed or not. On 2020-04-19 4:05 p.m., Terry Pinfold wrote: I use Windows platform. Is the Hugin/lua in place with windows or is this a Linux only case? On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 08:08, David Vincent-Jones wrote: The Hugin/Lua script is already in place David On 2020-04-19 3:01 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 17:53:44 -0400 Willy Williams wrote: My Lumix G9 does focus stacking in camera, then I punt it out to darktable for finishing. Can your body do that, too? Willy ** The Olympus E-M5.2 puts out 9 jpg + 9 ORF (raw) and one quite impressive stacked jpg. On 4/19/2020 at 17:46, J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:43:01 -0700 David Vincent-Jones wrote: But images can be directly passed to Hugin from darktable with the Lua script. Hugin will do the focus stacking for you. I don't have a clue how to write a lua script. On 2020-04-19 2:37 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:19:29 -0300 Guillermo Rozas wrote: No, focus stacking is not a form of HDR (and darktable doesn't do focus stacking). In the first case you take the best focused parts of each image, in the second case you take the best exposed parts (roughly speaking). The algorithms involved in both cases are very different. Best regards, Guillermo On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:49 PM J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is a form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org Thanks. I was making the wrong assumption. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:07:32 -0700 David Vincent-Jones wrote: > The Hugin/Lua script is already in place Can you please clarify? Where and how? My problem is slightly different, I want to send the exported to mogrify, but it should be very similar... Thanks -- sknahT vyS darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
I use Windows platform. Is the Hugin/lua in place with windows or is this a Linux only case? On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 08:08, David Vincent-Jones wrote: > The Hugin/Lua script is already in place > > David > On 2020-04-19 3:01 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 17:53:44 -0400 > Willy Williams wrote: > > > My Lumix G9 does focus stacking in camera, then I punt it out to > darktable for finishing. Can your body do that, too? > > Willy > > ** > > The Olympus E-M5.2 puts out 9 jpg + 9 ORF (raw) > and one quite impressive stacked jpg. > > > > On 4/19/2020 at 17:46, J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:43:01 -0700 > David Vincent-Jones wrote: > > > But images can be directly passed to Hugin from darktable with > the Lua script. Hugin will do the focus stacking for you. > > I don't have a clue how to write a lua script. > > > > On 2020-04-19 2:37 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:19:29 -0300 > Guillermo Rozas wrote: > > > No, focus stacking is not a form of HDR (and darktable doesn't do > focus stacking). In the first case you take the best focused > parts of each image, in the second case you take the best > exposed parts (roughly speaking). The algorithms involved in > both cases are very different. > Best regards, > Guillermo > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:49 PM J. Paul Bissonnette > wrote: > > Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? > I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. > The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the > camera is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from > darktable. I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that > focus stacking is a form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > Thanks. I was making the wrong assumption. > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > -- Dr Terry Pinfold Cytometry & Histology Lab Manager Lecturer in Flow Cytometry University of Tasmania 17 Liverpool St, Hobart, 7000 Ph 6226 4846 or 0408 699053 darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
The Hugin/Lua script is already in place David On 2020-04-19 3:01 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 17:53:44 -0400 Willy Williams wrote: My Lumix G9 does focus stacking in camera, then I punt it out to darktable for finishing. Can your body do that, too? Willy ** The Olympus E-M5.2 puts out 9 jpg + 9 ORF (raw) and one quite impressive stacked jpg. On 4/19/2020 at 17:46, J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:43:01 -0700 David Vincent-Jones wrote: But images can be directly passed to Hugin from darktable with the Lua script. Hugin will do the focus stacking for you. I don't have a clue how to write a lua script. On 2020-04-19 2:37 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:19:29 -0300 Guillermo Rozas wrote: No, focus stacking is not a form of HDR (and darktable doesn't do focus stacking). In the first case you take the best focused parts of each image, in the second case you take the best exposed parts (roughly speaking). The algorithms involved in both cases are very different. Best regards, Guillermo On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:49 PM J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is a form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org Thanks. I was making the wrong assumption. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 17:53:44 -0400 Willy Williams wrote: > My Lumix G9 does focus stacking in camera, then I punt it out to > darktable for finishing. Can your body do that, too? > > Willy > > ** The Olympus E-M5.2 puts out 9 jpg + 9 ORF (raw) and one quite impressive stacked jpg. > On 4/19/2020 at 17:46, J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:43:01 -0700 > > David Vincent-Jones wrote: > > > >> But images can be directly passed to Hugin from darktable with > >> the Lua script. Hugin will do the focus stacking for you. > > I don't have a clue how to write a lua script. > > > > > >> On 2020-04-19 2:37 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: > >>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:19:29 -0300 > >>> Guillermo Rozas wrote: > >>> > No, focus stacking is not a form of HDR (and darktable doesn't do > focus stacking). In the first case you take the best focused > parts of each image, in the second case you take the best > exposed parts (roughly speaking). The algorithms involved in > both cases are very different. > Best regards, > Guillermo > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:49 PM J. Paul Bissonnette > wrote: > > Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? > > I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. > > The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the > > camera is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from > > darktable. I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that > > focus stacking is a form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >>> Thanks. I was making the wrong assumption. > >>> > >>> darktable user mailing list > >>> to unsubscribe send a mail to > >>> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >>> > >> > >> darktable user mailing list > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to > >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
My Lumix G9 does focus stacking in camera, then I punt it out to darktable for finishing. Can your body do that, too? Willy ** On 4/19/2020 at 17:46, J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:43:01 -0700 David Vincent-Jones wrote: But images can be directly passed to Hugin from darktable with the Lua script. Hugin will do the focus stacking for you. I don't have a clue how to write a lua script. On 2020-04-19 2:37 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:19:29 -0300 Guillermo Rozas wrote: No, focus stacking is not a form of HDR (and darktable doesn't do focus stacking). In the first case you take the best focused parts of each image, in the second case you take the best exposed parts (roughly speaking). The algorithms involved in both cases are very different. Best regards, Guillermo On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:49 PM J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is a form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org Thanks. I was making the wrong assumption. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 14:43:01 -0700 David Vincent-Jones wrote: > But images can be directly passed to Hugin from darktable with > the Lua script. Hugin will do the focus stacking for you. I don't have a clue how to write a lua script. > > On 2020-04-19 2:37 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:19:29 -0300 > > Guillermo Rozas wrote: > > > >> No, focus stacking is not a form of HDR (and darktable doesn't do > >> focus stacking). In the first case you take the best focused parts > >> of each image, in the second case you take the best exposed parts > >> (roughly speaking). The algorithms involved in both cases are very > >> different. > >> Best regards, > >> Guillermo > >> > >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:49 PM J. Paul Bissonnette > >> wrote: > >>> Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? > >>> I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. > >>> The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera > >>> is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. > >>> I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is > >>> a form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. > >>> > >>> > >>> darktable user mailing list > >>> to unsubscribe send a mail to > >>> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >> > >> darktable user mailing list > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to > >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > Thanks. I was making the wrong assumption. > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
But images can be directly passed to Hugin from darktable with the Lua script. Hugin will do the focus stacking for you. On 2020-04-19 2:37 p.m., J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:19:29 -0300 Guillermo Rozas wrote: No, focus stacking is not a form of HDR (and darktable doesn't do focus stacking). In the first case you take the best focused parts of each image, in the second case you take the best exposed parts (roughly speaking). The algorithms involved in both cases are very different. Best regards, Guillermo On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:49 PM J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is a form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org Thanks. I was making the wrong assumption. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:19:29 -0300 Guillermo Rozas wrote: > No, focus stacking is not a form of HDR (and darktable doesn't do > focus stacking). In the first case you take the best focused parts of > each image, in the second case you take the best exposed parts > (roughly speaking). The algorithms involved in both cases are very > different. > Best regards, > Guillermo > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:49 PM J. Paul Bissonnette > wrote: > > > > Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? > > I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. > > The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera > > is so much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. > > I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is a > > form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org Thanks. I was making the wrong assumption. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Focus Stacking
No, focus stacking is not a form of HDR (and darktable doesn't do focus stacking). In the first case you take the best focused parts of each image, in the second case you take the best exposed parts (roughly speaking). The algorithms involved in both cases are very different. Best regards, Guillermo On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:49 PM J. Paul Bissonnette wrote: > > Is focus stacking possible in darktable 3.0.2? > I am using an Olympus OM D E-M5 mark 2 with the latest firmware. > The reason I am asking is that the stacked jpg made by the camera is so > much clearer than the stacked dng file from darktable. > I maybe doing this all wrong I am assuming that focus stacking is a > form of HDR and used the Create HDR button. > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] focus stacking / HDR in DT
hey, just a small comment on our hdr merging. it merges in raw, so it can be done very easily in very little code while being radiometrically meaningful (not much custom blending, masking or any magic going on there). the flipside is it does require perfectly aligned images. so for more complex hdr work for photography you may want to take a detour to other software. -jo On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Owen Mays wrote: > Darktable does have a built-in HDR function. Highlight the relevant images > in the light table and then under "selected images" click "create HDR." It > will generate a DNG by stacking the selected images. It doesn't do any > alignment (I assume that is a hard problem, and not something Darktable is > interested in duplicating since Hugin already does that pretty well). > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Anton Aylward > wrote: >> >> On 04/17/2016 07:10 AM, Stefan Sieben wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > it would be very nice, if there would be a focus stacking / HDR modul in >> > Darktable, so that it would be possible to make focus stacking / HDR >> > direct from RAWs in Darktable, without the necessity to convert the RAWs >> > first in Darktable with further processing in a second program like >> > HUGIN. >> >> +1 >> >> >> >> -- >> "If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, then you will be hacked. >> What's more, you deserve to be hacked." >>-- Richard Clarke, >> the special adviser to the president on cybersecurity >> >> >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] focus stacking / HDR in DT
Darktable does have a built-in HDR function. Highlight the relevant images in the light table and then under "selected images" click "create HDR." It will generate a DNG by stacking the selected images. It doesn't do any alignment (I assume that is a hard problem, and not something Darktable is interested in duplicating since Hugin already does that pretty well). On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Anton Aylward wrote: > On 04/17/2016 07:10 AM, Stefan Sieben wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > it would be very nice, if there would be a focus stacking / HDR modul in > > Darktable, so that it would be possible to make focus stacking / HDR > > direct from RAWs in Darktable, without the necessity to convert the RAWs > > first in Darktable with further processing in a second program like > HUGIN. > > +1 > > > > -- > "If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, then you will be hacked. > What's more, you deserve to be hacked." >-- Richard Clarke, > the special adviser to the president on cybersecurity > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] focus stacking / HDR in DT
On 04/17/2016 07:10 AM, Stefan Sieben wrote: > Hi all, > > it would be very nice, if there would be a focus stacking / HDR modul in > Darktable, so that it would be possible to make focus stacking / HDR > direct from RAWs in Darktable, without the necessity to convert the RAWs > first in Darktable with further processing in a second program like HUGIN. +1 -- "If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, then you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked." -- Richard Clarke, the special adviser to the president on cybersecurity darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
