date:20040207

Re: Problem getting sound to work

2004-02-07 Thread Mark Healey

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 09:18:24 -0600, Kent West wrote:

>Mark Healey wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:21:09 +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mark Healey (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
I have no sound.

When I boot knoppix it uses via82cxxx_audio and works.  I have that
module installed so I added the line to my "via82cxxx_audio" to my
/etc/modules.  Still no sound.

What do I check next?

>>>Check if you are in the audio group, and if the channels are unmuted.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>How do I do those?  It also doesn't work as root.  And, another bit of
>>information.  When I try system sounds there is nothing.  When I try
>>xmms it hangs (xmms, not the system).
>>
>>
>>
>In a terminal logged in as yourself, type "groups" to see what groups
>you're in.
>
>What kernel are you using ("uname -a")?

2.4.18-bf2.4

>What modules do you have loaded ("lsmod")?

Module  Size  Used byTainted: P
via82cxxx_audio18144   1
ac97_codec  9568   0  [via82cxxx_audio]
soundcore   3236   2  [via82cxxx_audio]
bcm440029180   1
hpfs   61408   0  (unused)
keybdev 1664   0  (unused)
input   3072   0  [keybdev]
usb-uhci   20708   0  (unused)
usbcore48032   0  [usb-uhci]

>What's the output of "lspci" in regard to your sound card?

00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3189
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device b168
00:09.0 Ethernet controller: BROADCOM Corporation: Unknown device 4401 (rev 01)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 80)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 80)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 80)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3104 (rev 82)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3177
00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Audio Controller (rev 
50)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4e44
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4e64

>Use a mixer program (kmix, amix, aumix, GnomeMixer, etc) to make sure
>your volume is not muted/too low.

I couldn't find any of these instlled.  I tried
"apt-get install GnomeMixer" and was told it doesn't exist.

>Configure xmms to use the proper output in preferences (OSS, esound,
>alsa, etc).

The problem exist with system sounds as well.  I juste used xmmx as a
double checker.

If it doesn't work after I get system sounds then I'll look into it's
settings.

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Re: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Jacob S.

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:12:32 -0600
"David Dyer-Bennet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Henrik Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > A final comment:
> > The install procedure is not half as hard as everyone
> > said! Refreshing actually!
> 
> Glad you found it that way.  
> 
> Personally, my experience has been less than good.  (I'm still
> experimenting, and am by no means ready to give up yet.)

Sorry to hear you're having trouble getting it setup to work with your
hardware. I came to Debian straight from playing with Mandrake (7.1 &
7.2, I think) and have loved it ever since.

> The apt-get tool, from what little I've seen so far, is quite nice.  I
> didn't find dependencies especially hard to manage in RedHat, though,
> and apt-get seems to sacrifice the *really really useful* rpm -ql and
> rpm -qf capabilities (asking for all the files in a package, and
> asking for what package a file came from).  At least I haven't found
> how to do it yet.

dpkg -L  - lists the files installed by 'package_name'

dpkg -S  - lists the package(s) that contain files matching
  the 'file_name' you entered.

"man dpkg" for some more really helpful tools. It's not part of apt, but
still uses Debian's great package management system. Both dpkg and apt
have their own distinct and wonderful uses in my arsenal of tools.

> The layers of sources is *really good* design, and will make my life
> easier, and use less net bandwidth, and generally be a very good
> thing.  
> 
> As I say, despite having some troubles on the initial learning curve,
> I'm still favorably inclined and expect to eventually convert my
> systems to Debian.

The fastest way I've found to learn Debian is to install it on your
desktop machine and force yourself to use it, instead of resorting to
whatever other OS may be installed to dual-boot. :-)

HTH & HAND,
Jacob

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Re: Knoppix is Not Debian

2004-02-07 Thread Erik Steffl

Marc Wilson wrote:
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 10:28:03PM +0100, David Baron wrote:

Once you do the HD installation, you have their, allbeit mixed, distro based 
on Debian and KDE.


Ok, now... we've got a stupid who couldn't figure out how to read well
enough to run the Debian installer.  You thus propose to him that he
install a completely non-standard Knoppix, which he does.

You then upgrade and play with it the way you would with any purer Debian
installation.


And *now* you propose that the same stupid move to unstable, which is the
only possible sane upgrade target from the mess that is Knoppix.  Just
great... he didn't have enough clue to understand *stable*, and now you
propose to shunt him directly to *unstable*.  Please.

What Knoppix gives you is decent hardware detection and auto-setup.
Debian will itself be doing this.


Yes, unfortunately even Debian will be pandering to the stupids who can't
be bothered to read well enough to know what was on the invoice they just
signed.
And NO, before you whine... there's no reason why the stupids should have
to know that.  There's no reason why he should be installing operating
systems, either, any more than he should be building cars.  Or performing
brain surgery.  Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some things that Joe
Stupid has no business doing.
Sorry... the answer to Barbie's statement "But that's so hard!" is not to
dumb it down so that Barbie can continue not to think, but rather to
understand that there are some things Barbie just shouldn't be doing
without appropriate training.
  while that's true IMO the OS should be as self-sufficient as 
possible. It should be able to figure out what HW is installed and offer 
it for users to use.

  at this point user has to know too much about internals of OS (and 
the rest of the software installed) -  e.g. if I weren't developer I 
have no idea how would I be able to setup my computer. not talking about 
install only but about setting of all subsystems (imap, X windows with 
3D support, sound etc.)

  it's not about dumbing iot down but about making it reasonably user 
friendly. which it is not, yet.

	erik

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Re: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread David Dyer-Bennet

"Henrik Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> A final comment:
> The install procedure is not half as hard as everyone
> said! Refreshing actually!

Glad you found it that way.  

Personally, my experience has been less than good.  (I'm still
experimenting, and am by no means ready to give up yet.)

I've run Linux since kernel 0.99pl13, and Red Hat since 4.2 I think,
and am now seriously considering moving to Debian; it seems to be the
local favorite among serious users.  I'm running two internet servers,
not a desktop workstation. 

So far, I've had three complete failures to get Debian to install, on
two different systems (both of which installed fine with RedHat 7.3).

On my third try on the second system, I've gotten an apparent install,
except that it won't boot from the hard drive.  Since I've got a
rescue disk and a boot disk, and even a theory on what the problem is,
I actually expect to get over this hurdle the next time I have time to
work on it, maybe this weekend yet.  

The installation programs seem to be *very much* not ready for prime
time, and the documentation is horrid; containing little useful
information and none of the most important thing to document, namely
the overall framework of how things *work* (which I need to know to
debug anything that goes wrong). 

One thing that's helped a lot is falling back to stable.  At least the
documentation isn't outright *wrong* so often there.  However, stable
contains rather outdated things like perl 5.6.1; which is now old
enough that the perl community is starting to tell me that the first
thing I need to do is get to a more recent perl when I have trouble
with things.

The apt-get tool, from what little I've seen so far, is quite nice.  I
didn't find dependencies especially hard to manage in RedHat, though,
and apt-get seems to sacrifice the *really really useful* rpm -ql and
rpm -qf capabilities (asking for all the files in a package, and
asking for what package a file came from).  At least I haven't found
how to do it yet.

The layers of sources is *really good* design, and will make my life
easier, and use less net bandwidth, and generally be a very good
thing.  

As I say, despite having some troubles on the initial learning curve,
I'm still favorably inclined and expect to eventually convert my
systems to Debian.  
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Re: What command tells you most about your hardware?

2004-02-07 Thread Roger Chrisman

Kent West wrote:
> "lshw" is what you're looking for. It's in unstable; I'm not sure about
> stable and/or testing.

lshw

Outstanding, 'lshw' discovers detects displays and tells me my hardware very 
nicely indeed.

I am using Testing (Sarge).

HowTo:

su
apt-get update
apt-get install lshw
lshw

Very nice.

Thanks everybody,

Roger :-)

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Re: can't get php in woody to work

2004-02-07 Thread Jacob S.

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:46:31 -0500
Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, I went to the same machine where the server is and php was
> working fine. However, when loging from another machine it doesn't
> work, even worse, can read only the default index. Any other page is
> refused by the server. I haven't been able to locate the fix.

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

"You went to the same machine where the server is..." Are you talking
about one computer or two in that sentence?

"... when loging from another machine it doesn't work, even worse, can
read only the default index." Do you mean another machine is logging to
the server with Apache on it or is there something on the server that
you're logging into from another computer?

What is the error you're seeing when "any other page is refused by the
server"?

You also mention php working fine at one point... How were you testing
it? Do you have X windows installed on the server? 

What are you trying to do with Apache? Are you running any virtual
hosts? Are you seeing the same problem with all domains on the server,
or just one?

Please give us some more information and then we'll try to help.

Jacob

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Re: Old x486 as thin client

2004-02-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:43:10 -0800, 
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 07:16:32PM -0500, Andy Firman wrote:
> > I have always wanted to do this.  How do you have the 486s run an
> > X server without an OS? 
> 
> Heh, you don't.
> 
> > Or do they get a base Debian install?
> 
> Get a base Debian install, fetch a display manager.
> 
> > Also, what are the best hardware thin clients for this sort of
> > setup?
> 
> Dunno, I've only done it just to do it with more powerful machines.
> Considering X is 20 years old or so, it should give you an idea.

..fwiw, I _have_ run a clusterKnoppix client on a 486 with 32MiB ram 
off a PII 233 OpenMosixTerminalServer, so it _can_ be done.  ;-)

..you just need a net boot loader such as from http://rom-o-matic.net/
and then use the _remainder_ of your 300MiB disk as swap.  ;-)

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Re: recompiling kernel: sound

2004-02-07 Thread Monique Y. Herman

On 2004-02-07, Peter Samuelson penned:
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> [Monique Y. Herman]
>> luigi:~# lspci | grep audio 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller:
>> Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0)
>
> That's i810_audio, as you noticed in your old module list.  The
> menuconfig option looks like:
>
> Intel ICH (i8xx), SiS 7012, NVidia nForce Audio or AMD 768/811x
>

Thank you!

It just occured to me that I could have done the following instead of
pestering the list:

home:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.24-2/drivers/sound# grep i810 Makefile
obj-$(CONFIG_SOUND_ICH) += i810_audio.o ac97_codec.o


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Re: What command tells you most about your hardware?

2004-02-07 Thread Kent West

Roger Chrisman wrote:

Hi,

What command tells me most about my hardware?

I have tried these:

# discover
(couldn't figure out how to get it to tell my anything)
# hw-detect
(couldn't find this packaged)
# hwdetect
(couldn't find this packaged either)
	# lspci

	# uname -a

I like those last two. They tell me a fair amount. However, I had a package 
installed once that even told me I had a Coppermine CPU but I cannot remember 
what the package was nor the command now.

I would like to be able to see as much as I can about my hardware from within 
the command line environment.

What command would you use to display details about your hardware - cpu, ram, 
drives, etc?

I know my BIOs tells me some of this. I am looking for a command line tool.
 

"lshw" is what you're looking for. It's in unstable; I'm not sure about 
stable and/or testing.

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Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-07 Thread Katipo

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:54:53 +
Steve Hargreaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> What would people recommend I start with (assume I'm a complete
> novice) that will guide me through the basics of Linux (and more
> specifically, debian) that I can get without trawling the web and
> spending several pound on printer ink and paper to get (and if my
> local library can get hold of it - even better).

> Steve
> 
Hello Steve,

Debian GNU/Linux Bible - Steve Hunger. ISBN 0-7645-4710-0
Linux Power Tools - Roderick W. Smith. ISBN 0-7821-4226-5
Regards,

David.


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Re: Old x486 as thin client

2004-02-07 Thread Kent West


On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 07:16:32PM -0500, Andy Firman wrote:
 

I have always wanted to do this.  How do you have the 486s run an
X server without an OS? 
   

Basically you have the 486 boot off the network; newer BIOSes can do 
this, but a 486 will either require a boot prom in the network card or a 
boot floppy.

The small amount of information on the floppy or on the NIC ROM calls 
out on the network looking for a dhcp server. A dedicated server answers 
with an IP address, then the 486 calls out again for a tftp (Thin FTP) 
server (which is usually the same as the dhcp server). (Using a boot 
floppy, the dhcp and tftp information, including the kernel, can 
possibly be on the floppy.) The tftp server gives to the 486 a kernel to 
boot, and from there the 486 boots more or less normally, only instead 
of looking to a local hard drive for the OS and applications, it looks 
to the "remote hard drive" which is the "terminal server". Since the 486 
doesn't have a local OS/apps, and is a client to the terminal server, 
it's called a "thin client". Knoppix has this capability built-in 
(although it requires tweaking in some cases). You can also find info 
at: http://www.ltsp.org/

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Re: HOWTO - Speed up IDE HD's

2004-02-07 Thread Alvin Oga


hi ya

fun stuff

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Marc Wilson wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:07:26AM +, Svens wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Gee, let's turn another cluebie loose with a shotgun, and see if he can
> zorch his data.

yupperz... its fairly easy to lose your disk if you play with the 
wrong options on hdparm
 
> Let's not find out what modes his drives actually support, and let's make
> sure that the kernel can't reset it if it's wrong.  Let's unmask
> interrupts, without finding out if his hardware can deal with it.  Let's
> try to force DMA on, without finding out whether or not his kernel supports
> his IDE chipset.
>
> Never mind that the kernel can do 90% of this on its own, and a wonderful
> first step should *always* be finding out why it HASN'T.

i assume that assumption was made ... that one would check before applying
various hdparm options and checking against hw

most distro set the disk options to a  "safe option" to work with
most any mb/hd combo

Nano> To be honest, I tried what he said and got very little speedup.
Nano> I did try "hdparm -c" and saw that by default I was doing -c0.

yup.. if dma was already on .. doing those settings might not help
and definitely can hurt your disks if it didnt support -Xxx whatevr
you changed it to

if dma is on .. and your disks supports -c3 -u1 ... you can get some
10% - 20% speed improvement doing the "same tasks over and over"
- say an infinite kernel compile for 24 hrs...
a xp-1700 will be able to do the same number of passes as 
a xp1800 

other ways to ide speed improvements
- one ide disk per ide cable
- do NOT mix different ata disks if you use 2 disks per cable
atx33/ata66/ata100/ata133 should all be different cables
- blah blah..

> People who write hdparm HOWTOs need to be hung up by their toenails.  I've
> yet to read one that tried to be an even minimally responsible resource.

fun stuff

c ya
alvin


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Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-07 Thread Paul E Condon

On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:54:53AM +, Steve Hargreaves wrote:
> Hi folks
> 
> OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM 
> mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are called, now), WinNT networks etc. 
> and an Amiga developer (not using C) - but this damn Linux business is 
> driving me nuts. First time I've used an OS that you (literally) have to 
> build yourself, and has so many quirks it's untrue.
> 
> So - in a bid to not flood this list with questions, I'm prepared to go out 
> there and try to become an expert myself, but despite my love of technology 
> and computers, I'm still something of a traditionalist when it comes to 
> reading - ie - I like paper.
> 
> What would people recommend I start with (assume I'm a complete novice) that 
> will guide me through the basics of Linux (and more specifically, debian) 
> that I can get without trawling the web and spending several pound on printer 
> ink and paper to get (and if my local library can get hold of it - even 
> better).
> 
> You never know - I may be another expert in the making.
> 

Debian is a distribution of GNU/Linux.
GNU/Linux is a variant of UNIX. It is mostly POSIX compliant, IMHO.
UNIX depends heavily on command line, and command line scripting. 

Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. 

Then, for more modern info., look at Hekman, Linux in a Nutshell and
Newham & Rosenblatt, Learning the bash Shell.

For SysAdmin stuff look at Nemeth et al., UNIX SYSTEM Administration
Handbook. This gives lost of grubby detail for several variants of UNIX.

O'Reilly has a program which, I think, gives books to local Linux
Users Groups for distribution to group members who write or present
reviews of their books. Some groups just give them away in raffles, but
some guide them to people who really present reviews.

Don't be narrow in your knowledge of Debian. It fits into a universe of
good thought about OS design. 

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Evolution: Strange things happen

2004-02-07 Thread Phillipus Gunawan

Hi there,

I woke up this morning and I found my debian log-out from its GDM and
back to the log-in screen. I usually leave my Debian online 24 hours and
I am pretty sure it's still log-in before I go to sleep last night.

I use Evolution, and I found out that the folder I set for Debian
mailing list has been wipe-out, I lost my old mailling list (only a few
which I want to keep as reference)

How/where/which log file I should check to find what is going on while I
were sleeping? I can not find the log file I can have a look for
Evolution.

I found something that I couldn't understand from /var/log/messages:

Feb  8 06:47:03 funburst syslogd 1.4.1#13: restart.
Feb  8 06:59:25 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 07:19:25 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 07:39:25 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 07:59:26 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 08:19:26 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 08:39:27 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 08:59:27 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 09:19:28 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 09:39:29 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 09:59:29 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 10:19:29 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 10:39:29 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 10:40:34 funburst kernel: memory.c:100: bad pmd 0004.
Feb  8 10:59:30 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 11:19:30 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 11:39:30 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 11:59:31 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 12:09:22 funburst gconfd (xxx-xxx): Received signal 15, shutting
down cleanly
Feb  8 12:09:22 funburst gconfd (xxx-xxx): Exiting
Feb  8 12:19:31 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 12:39:31 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 12:59:31 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 13:19:31 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 13:39:31 funburst -- MARK --
Feb  8 13:59:31 funburst -- MARK -- 

This, I believe, showing that I log-in and turn my box on all the time,
but at Feb 8 12:09:22, it was shutting down?

Thanks.



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Re: HOWTO - Speed up IDE HD's

2004-02-07 Thread Nano Nano

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 07:57:55PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:07:26AM +, Svens wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Gee, let's turn another cluebie loose with a shotgun, and see if he can
> zorch his data.
> 
> Let's not find out what modes his drives actually support, and let's make
> sure that the kernel can't reset it if it's wrong.  Let's unmask
> interrupts, without finding out if his hardware can deal with it.  Let's
> try to force DMA on, without finding out whether or not his kernel supports
> his IDE chipset.
> 
> Never mind that the kernel can do 90% of this on its own, and a wonderful
> first step should *always* be finding out why it HASN'T.
> 
> People who write hdparm HOWTOs need to be hung up by their toenails.  I've
> yet to read one that tried to be an even minimally responsible resource.
> 
> > good luck  
> 
> Yeah, he'll need it.

To be honest, I tried what he said and got very little speedup.
I did try "hdparm -c" and saw that by default I was doing -c0.


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Re: HOWTO - Speed up IDE HD's

2004-02-07 Thread Marc Wilson

On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:07:26AM +, Svens wrote:



Gee, let's turn another cluebie loose with a shotgun, and see if he can
zorch his data.

Let's not find out what modes his drives actually support, and let's make
sure that the kernel can't reset it if it's wrong.  Let's unmask
interrupts, without finding out if his hardware can deal with it.  Let's
try to force DMA on, without finding out whether or not his kernel supports
his IDE chipset.

Never mind that the kernel can do 90% of this on its own, and a wonderful
first step should *always* be finding out why it HASN'T.

People who write hdparm HOWTOs need to be hung up by their toenails.  I've
yet to read one that tried to be an even minimally responsible resource.

> good luck  

Yeah, he'll need it.

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Re: USB surround sound - what's my chances?

2004-02-07 Thread Edward Murrell

On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 02:49, Jonathan Melhuish wrote:
> Jonathan Melhuish wrote:
> 
> > There's a logic3 5.1 surround sound USB sound card going on eBay, 
> > which looks like exactly what I was after: 
> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2785283904&category=3701&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1
> >
> >
> > But the question is, what's my chances of getting it working under 
> > Debian?
> 
> Okay, let me rephrase that.  Are most USB soundcards generally standard
> "USB Audio" devices?  Are surround sound ones usually just several "USB
> Audio" devices?
> 
> I'm not looking for a definative answer here, just an idea of whether
> it's worth buying and selling on if it doesn't work.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jon

In theory... yes.

There is a USB-audio standard, and it's supported by ALSA.

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=USB&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=usb-audio

However, going on personal experience with USB devices, the cheaper they
are, the more likely it seems the engineers didn't do their homework and
failed to follow specifications. (See mass-storage devices for the
occasional bad example where almost everyone follows the standard, and
USB modems for an example of where practically nobody does.)

The remote could be anything, depending mostly on if the engineer did in
hardware (which he should have) or left control up to software (which is
a bad thing). If it's a half and half option, say where the USB reciever
hooks in as a serial device, you may even be able to make use of lirc to
use it.

Let us know how it goes, and email the various hardware compatibility
lists with your results.

Regards
Edward

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Re: What command tells you most about your hardware?

2004-02-07 Thread Alvin Oga


hi ya roger

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Roger Chrisman wrote:

> Thanks for the tips. Here's what I have so far:

more stuff

dmesg
read-edid
DMIDecode
lshw

> 
> # lspci
> 
> # uname -a
> 
> # cat /proc/cpuinfo
> - gives you info about your cpu
> 
> # cat /proc/meminfo
> - gives you info about your memory

cat /proc/interrupts

> # x86info
> - a package that gives you the same as 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' but in some more 
> detail
> 
> # cpuid
> - another package that gives you the same as 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' but in some 
> more detail
> 
> # free
> - tells how much ram is free and how much is used. 

top -i
 
> and some I have not figured out how to use:
> 
> # man sysinfo
> (I have not figured out how to use sysinfo. Seems to be some kind of system 
> call. I don't know how to do that stuff.)
> 
> # discover
> (couldn't figure out how to get this one to tell my anything)
> 
> # hw-detect
>  (couldn't find this packaged)
> 
> # hwdetect
> (couldn't find this packaged either)
> 

semi endless list :-)

c ya
alvin


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Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-07 Thread Debian User

I'm sure someone will want to flame me for such a bold statement...
Of all of the books I've ever bought on linux, the

Linux Administration Handbook
Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent R Hein

is the only one that was worth the paper it was written on.  Everything
else was about 1/4 to 1/3 on installation.  My copy of this is worn and
I usually find what I need.  Not necessarily a beginner book, but
definitely the book you want on top of your monitor.

There are probably a few others out there that are ok, I'll be watching
with interest, but the beginning books frankly suck and the non-beginner
books often aren't much better.  Like science-fiction, diet books and
new age music, linux sells.  There are hardcore devotees and few
writers, I think anyone who wants to write a linux book can get
published.  I personally liked that series that was almost all
pictures, always good for a laugh.  

As far as beginner stuff goes, the coolest thing you can do for yourself
right now is find one of the short online bash tutorials and learn how
to use command line in Linux, then learn a command line editor like vi
(type vimtutor for a crash course), though nano and mcedit are great for
beginners.  I'm not sure that there really is anything else thats
'beginner' level.  The linux ieberg is rather flat, there is
unfortunately not much of a tip.  get comfortable with comand line
though, that will make all of your tasks less frustrating.  Try learning
to use vi and links or lynx (web browser) and bitchx (irc) and mutt
(mail).  If you get comfortable with the command line all will be
smooth.  lots of stuff still needs to be configged that way, so make
yourself at home.  Of course you sound like you came fromt hat
environemen as did I (TRS-80 model 1), but you get out of practice
quick.

Good luck,
Brian

On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:54:53AM +, Steve Hargreaves wrote:
> Hi folks
> 
> OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM 
> mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are called, now), WinNT networks etc. 
> and an Amiga developer (not using C) - but this damn Linux business is 
> driving me nuts. First time I've used an OS that you (literally) have to 
> build yourself, and has so many quirks it's untrue.
> 
> So - in a bid to not flood this list with questions, I'm prepared to go out 
> there and try to become an expert myself, but despite my love of technology 
> and computers, I'm still something of a traditionalist when it comes to 
> reading - ie - I like paper.
> 
> What would people recommend I start with (assume I'm a complete novice) that 
> will guide me through the basics of Linux (and more specifically, debian) 
> that I can get without trawling the web and spending several pound on printer 
> ink and paper to get (and if my local library can get hold of it - even 
> better).
> 
> You never know - I may be another expert in the making.
> 
> Thanks for listening :o)
> 
> Steve
> 
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Re: RSS-Reader - toursst broken ?!

2004-02-07 Thread Uwe Dippel

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:10:07 +0100, Andy Firman wrote:

> RSS feeds come right into your email.  

Which is exactly what I don't want ...

> ps. Evolution has a pretty cool RSS headline feature
> that displays on the summary section.

Enjoyed it as long as I used Evo.

Btw.: found and installed straw and liferea in the meantime. Both work,
but both are in need of polishing; with edges in usability, GUI, you name
it.
But, if anyone wants a small RSS Reader, I think liferea installs with
little footprint and few dependencies.

Uwe

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Re: Antivirus software for gnu/linux

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson

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On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 10:53:52PM +0100, David Baron wrote:
> I am not running exim4. I would like to stop incoming (as well) so
> need a pop3 block. Filters in Kmail trap the Debian-user-digest as
> well :-)

fetchmail is your friend.

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Re: nvidia driver compiling problem

2004-02-07 Thread Steve Hargreaves

On Saturday 07 February 2004 5:35 pm, Andreas Janssen wrote:

> > I have installed the 2.4.24 kernel for i386 from www.backports.org (I
> > failed miserably trying to compile my own kernel), and since the
> > nvidia kernel module needs the kernel sources to compile, I downloaded
> > and installed the accompanying source package. So far so good.
>
> It doesn't need the source. Install the matching kernel-headers package
> instead:
>
> apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.24-1-386
>
>  and call the installer with
>
> --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.24-1-386/include

OK - you live and learn - I didn't even know that the header package was 
available (I was looking for kernel-source). Anyway - that's done the trick, 
as far as compiling goes - and the module is now accepted, but if I then use 
the nvidia driver, all I get is a blank screen, and I can't even Alt-Fx to a 
spare console to recover - I have to do a hard reset to get back - but read 
on...

> > This is getting to be a pain - I've done nothing but download stuff
> > for 2 days over a 56k dial up connection - it'd be nice if I could get
> > the right stuff first time :o(
>
> I think there are drivers available from Intel for your winmodem that
> can be compiles using the kernel-headers package. Go to
>  to find more info.

There are - I've got the sources from the Intel site (the only binaries are 
for RedHat - not Debian - but I get a bucketload of errors (directory tree 
problems, I assum) when I try and compile it... but as in the "read on" 
before - see my other posting entitled "recomended reading"

thanks for your help so far.

Steve

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Re: can't get php in woody to work

2004-02-07 Thread Antonio Rodriguez

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 10:40:04AM -0600, Jacob S. wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:24:33 -0500
> Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Well, I googled and found
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200210/msg03434.html
> > Sure enough, those lines were commented, uncommented them, and here is
> > what I get next:
> > edu:/etc/init.d# apache restart
> > [Sat Feb  7 11:17:53 2004] [warn] module config_log_module is already
> > loaded, skipping[Sat Feb  7 11:17:53 2004] [warn] module mime_module
> > is already loaded, skippingedu:/etc/init.d# apache reload
> >  same thing
> > 
> > Still not working. How do I force apache to not skip reading the
> > configuration?
> 

Well, I went to the same machine where the server is and php was
working fine. However, when loging from another machine it doesn't
work, even worse, can read only the default index. Any other page is
refused by the server. I haven't been able to locate the fix.



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Re: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson

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Please do not hijack threads.  Post a new thread instead of replying
to another one to start a new topic.

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:48:56PM +0100, Henrik Johansson wrote:
> Why is the standard webserver Apache 1.3
> and not 2.0? I thought it was stable.

PHP doesn't work on it yet, and it's not made it down to stable.
Stable is just that:  Rock solid.

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Re: Old x486 as thin client

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson

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On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 07:16:32PM -0500, Andy Firman wrote:
> I have always wanted to do this.  How do you have the 486s run an
> X server without an OS? 

Heh, you don't.

> Or do they get a base Debian install?

Get a base Debian install, fetch a display manager.

> Also, what are the best hardware thin clients for this sort of setup?

Dunno, I've only done it just to do it with more powerful machines.
Considering X is 20 years old or so, it should give you an idea.

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Re: What command tells you most about your hardware?

2004-02-07 Thread Roger Chrisman

Thanks for the tips. Here's what I have so far:


# lspci

# uname -a

# cat /proc/cpuinfo
- gives you info about your cpu

# cat /proc/meminfo
- gives you info about your memory

# x86info
- a package that gives you the same as 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' but in some more 
detail

# cpuid
- another package that gives you the same as 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' but in some 
more detail

# free
- tells how much ram is free and how much is used. 


and some I have not figured out how to use:

# man sysinfo
(I have not figured out how to use sysinfo. Seems to be some kind of system 
call. I don't know how to do that stuff.)

# discover
(couldn't figure out how to get this one to tell my anything)

# hw-detect
 (couldn't find this packaged)

# hwdetect
(couldn't find this packaged either)


Have I left anyone's favorite one out?
Tips for the four I do not know how to use?

Thanks,

Roger


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Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson

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On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 03:35:41PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> No, procmail is what the tech demo mutt needs to act like a real mail 
> client.  That's a deficiency in mutt.

Why does an MUA need to be an MDA?  Why waste the added resources
sorting when procmail can presort it on far fewer resources and
perform consistently in absolutely heroic conditions?

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Re: sftp sources?

2004-02-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:20:22 -0500, 
Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 20:20, Jens Rantil wrote:
> > Hi Colin,
> > 
> > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:11:20 +
> > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > I don't believe there are any such official mirrors. You could set
> > > one up, though ...
> > 
> > I'm just curious (as I am planning to perhaps put a server in near
> > future) Anyone who knows how much harddrive space such a mirror
> > would take up?
> 
> For just a partial Mirror of the Debian Archive that I exclude:
> 
> arm, hppa, hurd-i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mips-el, powerpc, sh, s390
> 
> I am keeping: i386, alpha, sparc (stable, testing, stable,
> experimental and source)
> 
>   greg:~/bin$ du -hs /publish/debian
>   51G /publish/debian
>   greg:~/bin$ du -hs /publish/debian-non-US/
>   558M/publish/debian-non-US
>   greg:~/bin$
> 
> So that is 52+GB
> 
> Good Luck.

..I have i386 with woody, sarge, sid and experimental 
if I did what I meant to do.  ;-)
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119M/mnt/hda11/debian-non-US

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dhcpd trouble

2004-02-07 Thread Johannes Graumann

Hello,

I just installed 'testing' on my new VIA based machine using 2.6 (uname
-a --> Linux server 2.6.0-1-386 #2 Sun Jan 11 16:54:21 EST 2004 i686
GNU/Linux). Since this is supposed to be the firewall for my home
network I'm trying to get dhcpd to run - which I have sucessfully done
in the past - but it's not working for me this time.
Originally I thought that the fact that I wanted the serve to listen on
an interface that is a USB/ethernet adapter was the problem, but I can't
make it work using the NIC on the motherboard either ...

Please let me know if you spot anything in the configs below.

Thanks, Joh

So here are my configurations:
ifconfig:
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:40:63:CA:C3:CA  
  inet addr:131.215.35.209  Bcast:131.215.35.255 
Mask:255.255.255.0  inet6 addr: fe80::240:63ff:feca:c3ca/64
Scope:Link  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:103 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:19 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:14146 (13.8 KiB)  TX bytes:1650 (1.6 KiB)
  Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe800 

eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0B:2B:13:33:55  
  inet addr:192.168.1.1  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::20b:2bff:fe13:3355/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1540  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:378 (378.0 b)

loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)

/etc/dhcpd.conf:
option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
default-lease-time 600;
max-lease-time 7200;
subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.1.2 192.168.1.5;
}

/etc/default/dhcp:
INTERFACES="eth1"

/etc/network/interfaces:
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# This entry was created during the Debian installation
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
#iface eth0 inet static
#   address 192.168.1.1
#   netmask 255.255.255.0
#   network 192.168.1.0
#   broadcast 192.168.1.255

auto eth1
#iface eth1 inet dhcp
iface eth1 inet static
address 192.168.1.1
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.1.0
broadcast 192.168.1.255

and the output from lsmod:
Module  Size  Used by
md5 3968  1 
ipv6  223936  8 
rtl815011776  0 
af_packet  19848  4 
uhci_hcd   29456  0 
ohci_hcd   16768  0 
ehci_hcd   21380  0 
usbcore98652  6 rtl8150,uhci_hcd,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd
evdev   8704  0 
via82cxxx_audio25864  0 
uart40111332  1 via82cxxx_audio
sound  75436  2 via82cxxx_audio,uart401
soundcore   8896  2 via82cxxx_audio,sound
ac97_codec 16908  1 via82cxxx_audio
ide_scsi   13700  0 
via_rhine  19720  0 
mii 4864  1 via_rhine
crc32   4608  1 via_rhine
parport_pc 32940  1 
lp 10176  0 
parport39400  2 parport_pc,lp
aes32704  3 
cryptoloop  3584  3 
ide_cd 36740  0 
cdrom  31392  1 ide_cd
rtc11960  0 
loop   16008  7 cryptoloop
reiserfs  196464  2 
isofs  32184  0 
ext3  103208  0 
jbd53912  1 ext3
sd_mod 15520  0 
ata_piix7684  0 
libata 35456  1 ata_piix,[permanent]
scsi_mod  108856  3 ide_scsi,sd_mod,libata
ide_disk   15872  4 
ide_probe_mod  15872  0 [unsafe]
via82cxxx  13084  1 [unsafe]
ide_mod   133420  5
ide_scsi,ide_cd,ide_disk,ide_probe_mod,via82cxxx unix  
25520  10 font8576  0 
cfbcopyarea 3968  0 
cfbimgblt   3328  0 
cfbfillrect 3712  0


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Re: HOWTO - Speed up IDE HD's

2004-02-07 Thread Nano Nano

On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:47:17AM +, Svens wrote:
> Svens wrote:
> 
> > hi, here is a vary short HOWTO about speed up IDE Harddisks:
> > 
> > open file /etc/init.d/hwtools and insert this lines:
> > 
> > if command -v hdparm >/dev/null 2>&1; then
> > # insert begin
> >hdparm -c3 -d1 -D1 -k1 -u -X68 /dev/hda
> > # insert end
> >true
> > fi
> > 
> > Parameters are:
> > -c3 <- use 32bit I/O with write sync
> > -d1 <- using dma on
> > -D1 <- on-drive defect managment on (hd firmware)
> > -k1 <- keep dmu settings over reset on
> > -u1 <- umask on
> > -X68 <- 64(UltraDMA) + 4(UltraDMA mode 4);
> > 
> > good luck
> > 
> > svens
> > 
> >
> 
> i forget to set Parameter -u, it's of course -u1
> 
> for using UltraDMA mode 5, set Parameter -X to -X69

Thanks nine billion percent.  I never grokked hdparm until now.
Now I get it -- see what Intel Application Accelerator says in Windows
and match the query and match the settings in Linux, following this 
example.

All instructions should be so concise.  Thanks!


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EXTRAVERSION problem with nvidia kernel module

2004-02-07 Thread Olle Eriksson

I am using Sid and I just compiled and installed the 2.6.0 kernel from
the source package. I am using the Debian way and added
--append_to_version -040207 to the call to make-kpkg. The problem is
when I am trying to install the nvidia binary kernel module (ver 5336).
I compiled modules_image while running the 2.6 kernel and used
--append-to-versionn -040207 here too. Everything is fine except I am
unable to load the module (module-init-tools is installed BTW).
/var/log/syslog gives me this:

modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia
(/lib/modules/2.6.0-040207/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
kernel: nvidia: version magic '2.6.0 PENTIUMIII gcc-3.3' should be
'2.6.0-040207 PENTIUMIII gcc-3.3'

modprobe -f nvidia works, but I don't want to do that every time. Is
there any solution to the problem with EXTRAVERSION or can I force
nvidia to be loaded automatically somehow?

Thanks
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Re: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Jacob S.

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:11:01 +0100
"Henrik Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, do you know the time frame for stable release of 2.0?
> I can settle for 1.3 but i really like the new features in 2.0.
> 
> Henrik

As you said before, I believe 2.0 is now a stable release. It just
wasn't at the time Woody was released. 

Apache 2.0 should be included in the next Stable release of Debian.
The next stable release of Debian will come when the developers think
all of it's packages are ready.

HTH,
Jacob

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Re: US Robotics Modem drivers ?

2004-02-07 Thread Edward Murrell

On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 01:02, Marc Hultquist wrote:
> Hey All
> 
> I just got hold of a us robotics 56k message modem and am busy trying to
> install it under linux however, I hit
> a huge snag, I cant find a driver for it, and I dont have a origional cd
> from it :\ I tried probing for it but as of yet I have
> not been able to find anything, I also had a look at
> http://www.usr-emea.com/support/s-prod-template.asp?loc=emeaâ=5668b
> which is the direct link to the modem in specific but I cant seem to find
> anything in regard to their modems being compatiable
> under linux ?
> 
> Has anyone installed one of these before, and if so would they be willing to
> give me some pointers ? Or maybe show me where I could
> look for a driver ?
> 
> Kind regards

As others have mentioned, this is a standard serial modem, so you should
be able to plug it in to COM1 or COM2 and link /dev/modem to /dev/ttyS0
or /dev/ttyS1 respectively with the following command;
ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem

This isn't strictly necessary, but many dialling programs look at
/dev/modem by default.

As a further note, that I know from personal experience dealing with my
parents modem of this type, with the default ATZ init string, it
connects at only 33.6k. To activate the X2/V.90 protocols, you also need
a second init string. From /memory/ this is ATF1, or maybe AT&F1.

Regards
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Re: Plustek 9636P and SANE on Debian Unstable?

2004-02-07 Thread Fiodar Bandarenka

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 11:35:33PM +, Joseph Jones wrote:
> If anyone knows anything about this, please reply :) Thanks alot.

Look at sane.alioth.debian.org
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Re: ifupdown configuration

2004-02-07 Thread Paladin

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:36:06 -0500
Adam Aube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  You should probably report this as a bug at bugs.debian.org
>  (probably as a wishlist item), if you really want to see this
>  behavior changed in a future release.

Many thanks Adam, I'll do that now! =)

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Re: HOWTO - Speed up IDE HD's

2004-02-07 Thread Svens

Svens wrote:

> hi, here is a vary short HOWTO about speed up IDE Harddisks:
> 
> open file /etc/init.d/hwtools and insert this lines:
> 
> if command -v hdparm >/dev/null 2>&1; then
> # insert begin
>hdparm -c3 -d1 -D1 -k1 -u -X68 /dev/hda
> # insert end
>true
> fi
> 
> Parameters are:
> -c3 <- use 32bit I/O with write sync
> -d1 <- using dma on
> -D1 <- on-drive defect managment on (hd firmware)
> -k1 <- keep dmu settings over reset on
> -u1 <- umask on
> -X68 <- 64(UltraDMA) + 4(UltraDMA mode 4);
> 
> good luck
> 
> svens
> 
>

i forget to set Parameter -u, it's of course -u1

for using UltraDMA mode 5, set Parameter -X to -X69

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Re: What command tells you most about your hardware?

2004-02-07 Thread Roberto Sanchez

Roger Chrisman wrote:
Hi,

What command tells me most about my hardware?


Try cpuid (that is the name of both the debian package and the command).

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Re: where are drmlib and radeon_dri?

2004-02-07 Thread Roberto Sanchez

Tom Vier wrote:
i'm trying to get this radeon card to work. it loads the kernel modules
(from 2.4.24) just fine. the screen comes up with a gradiant background and
a functioning cursor. my window manager never starts, though. here's what i
get from startx:
XFree86 Version 4.2.1.1 (Debian 4.2.1-12.1 20031003005825 [EMAIL PROTECTED])
/ X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 18 October 2002
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1-ac1-cryptoloop i686 [ELF] 
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Sat Feb  7 19:14:02 2004
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
(EE) Failed to load module "xie" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) Failed to load module "pex5" (module does not exist, 0)
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:debug_xform.o":  No
symbols found
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o":  No symbols
found
(EE) Failed to load module "drmlib" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) Failed to load module "radeon_dri" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) LoadModule: Module radeon_drv does not have a radeon_drvModuleData data
object.
(EE) Failed to load module "radeon_drv" (invalid module, 0)
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
xinit:  connection to X server lost.

i have agpgart and dri support in the kernel. what am i missing? apt-cache
search drmlib is no help.
What model Radeon do you have?  What are the contents of your .config
and your XF86Config-4?
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Re: What command tells you most about your hardware?

2004-02-07 Thread Joey Hess

Roger Chrisman wrote:
> What command would you use to display details about your hardware - cpu, ram, 
> drives, etc?

cat

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dist-upgrade needs computation via another machine

2004-02-07 Thread Dan Jacobson

#Makefile
#We can't do apt-get dist-upgrade over our puny modem,
#we must go to town to a pal's Debian machine and burn the
#files onto a CDROM to take back and install.

#Apt-zip like idea, without ignoring newer packages that
#appeared while our list is in transport.

#On one's poorly connected machine:
apt-poor: extra-wants
grep-status -vF Status 'purge ok not-installed'|\
perl -wne 'unless(\
/^( |Priority|Section|Description|Maintainer|Suggests|Source|Recommends)/)\
{print}'> status
tar zcf aptgob.tar.gz extra-wants status
#Days later, on the richly connected machine
apt-rich:
apt-get update #with perhaps some additions to sources.list, we assume also 
sid etc.
tar xzf aptgob.tar.gz
{ $(aptcom) dist-upgrade; $(aptcom) install $$(cat extra-wants);}|\
sed "s/ .*//;s/'//g"|sort -u>wget.list
wget -x -i wget.list
#   Then burn it onto a CDROM to take back to the poorly connected machine and
#   install in various ways...

extra-wants: #just a list of additional packages to install
touch $? #if we don't have one
aptcom=apt-get -o Dir::State::status=/tmp/status --print-uris -yqq

#I haven't tested the above idea yet. Seems like one big unhappy hack
#There should be a apt.debian.org web server to compute all this...


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apt.debian.org server to compute dist-upgrade needs

2004-02-07 Thread Dan Jacobson

[Say] we can't do apt-get dist-upgrade over our puny modem.  We must go to
town to burn the files onto a CDROM and take them back to install it.

Sure, we could do apt-get dist-upgrade --print-uris, or use apt-zip,
but that creates a list that gets stale in the few days it takes us to
get to town... we'll miss the latest upgrades.

Therefore there should be an "apt.debian.org" web server to compute
what we need on the spot.  One would give it various detail about our
machine, and a sources.list and e.g. dpkg --get-selections
output... all of which we have taken to town.  It would spit out a
fetch list of URIs.

OK, I suppose 99% of people are better connected than my scenario, and
perhaps this is only applicable to the third world.


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Re: What command tells you most about your hardware?

2004-02-07 Thread Jeffrey L. Taylor

Quoting Roger Chrisman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I like those last two. They tell me a fair amount. However, I had a
> package installed once that even told me I had a Coppermine CPU but
> I cannot remember what the package was nor the command now.
> 

cat /proc/cpuinfo


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Re: Knoppix is Not Debian

2004-02-07 Thread Brad Sims

On Saturday 07 February 2004 6:05 pm, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I think there is a place for Knoppix in introducing newbies to Debian.
> You suggest to them that they pop the Knoppix CD into the CD drive, and
> try to boot from it. Tell them that if Knoppix boots from the CD they
> really should be able to install Debian, in the sense that there are
> surely no hardware/software impediments to a successful install. It may
> turn into a real learning experience but it can be done.

Yup thats what I did, I popped in knoppix, and ran "lsmod|a2ps"  and made 
sure that the modules were loaded when I installed Sid.

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Re: i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host

2004-02-07 Thread Micha Feigin

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:02:00PM +0100, bruno doutriaux wrote:
> i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host.
> could somebody help me.
> (i have some hints: the debian host is using gaim 0.75 which has security
> fails and i would like to also listen it with a trojan, is it possible on a
> debian?)
> 

Login using ssh and use su with root password. If you don't know the
root password then you are in the wrong place.

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where are drmlib and radeon_dri?

2004-02-07 Thread Tom Vier

i'm trying to get this radeon card to work. it loads the kernel modules
(from 2.4.24) just fine. the screen comes up with a gradiant background and
a functioning cursor. my window manager never starts, though. here's what i
get from startx:

XFree86 Version 4.2.1.1 (Debian 4.2.1-12.1 20031003005825 [EMAIL PROTECTED])
/ X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 18 October 2002
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1-ac1-cryptoloop i686 [ELF] 
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Sat Feb  7 19:14:02 2004
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
(EE) Failed to load module "xie" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) Failed to load module "pex5" (module does not exist, 0)
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:debug_xform.o":  No
symbols found
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o":  No symbols
found
(EE) Failed to load module "drmlib" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) Failed to load module "radeon_dri" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) LoadModule: Module radeon_drv does not have a radeon_drvModuleData data
object.
(EE) Failed to load module "radeon_drv" (invalid module, 0)
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
xinit:  connection to X server lost.


i have agpgart and dri support in the kernel. what am i missing? apt-cache
search drmlib is no help.

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Re: Unexpected signal: 11

2004-02-07 Thread Micha Feigin

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 01:15:30PM -0600, daybrown wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:58:42PM -0800, Barameswari Thoreraj said
> > 
> >
> >>hi,
> >>
> >>I am running debian 2.2.19. I had been receiving the message below in my
> >>logs and sendmail has not been able to send or receive mail, although it
> >>didn't crash.
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >This is a very old kernel that has at least a couple of security issues.
> >Upgrade immediately.
> >
> I have 2.2.16 with Corel, and I'd love to upgrade, but I cant. I wouldnt 
> bother with it, and just get a newer debian install, but the only other 
> Linux install disks that will run a ppp driver which logs on to my local 
> isp is Redhat 9, which has numerous other characteristics I dont like.
> The Corel comes with an 'update' icon on the gui, but the links are out 
> of date. I tried updating them with debian.org... and did apt-get, but 
> it appears that the kernel is hopelessly out of date. IIRC, it told me 
> that my glibc was NG, and when I got a new version, it told me that gtk+ 
> was ng, and so on down the line, each download telling me that whatever 
> it was that I had, was not quite good enough for the package to function 
> properly. It'd be gonzo easier to just get a new debian install cd and 
> quit screwing around with endless error messages and failed installs.
> 
> For most people, the new install cd makes a lot more sense unless your 
> time is only worth half a buck an hour. For me, my local isp is weird. 
> I've installed BSD, Caldera, Corel, Debian, Gentoos, Mandrake, Redhat, 
> Slackware, Storm, & Suse. But of the lot, only RH and Corel will 
> actually logon to my local server. I'd change servers, but I live rural, 
> and no other option works either.
> 

That sounds strange. I am guessing that it is only some settings
problem that probably can be solved but it will take some more
information.

I don't think that its the kernel driver but more probably ppp
setup. Worst case scenario maybe using alian on the rpm package, or
installing the corel package may work.

Any idea of the specifics?

How are you setting up the ppp connection. What does ps ax | grep ppp
return, what do you get when running tcpdump on the interface over
which you connect ppp, what about tcpdump and ppp0 during connection?
lsmod for a working connection?

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What command tells you most about your hardware?

2004-02-07 Thread Roger Chrisman

Hi,

What command tells me most about my hardware?

I have tried these:

# discover
(couldn't figure out how to get it to tell my anything)

# hw-detect
(couldn't find this packaged)

# hwdetect
(couldn't find this packaged either)

# lspci

# uname -a

I like those last two. They tell me a fair amount. However, I had a package 
installed once that even told me I had a Coppermine CPU but I cannot remember 
what the package was nor the command now.

I would like to be able to see as much as I can about my hardware from within 
the command line environment.

What command would you use to display details about your hardware - cpu, ram, 
drives, etc?

I know my BIOs tells me some of this. I am looking for a command line tool.

Thanks,

Roger
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Re: Re:Knoppix is Not Debian

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Morgan

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:28:03 +0100, David Baron wrote:

[snip]
> 
> Knoppix is a quick jumpstart into Linux for Novices, yes. One can also
> purchase Lindows or Xandro for similar results. After HD installation,
> this mailing list becomes the best source of advice. Knoppsters on their
> mailing list will tell you this as well.

Well, sure.  It's much easier to toss questions over the wall to
debian-user and waste someone else's time rather than use one's own.

Try asking a knoppix related question in #debian.

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HOWTO - Speed up IDE HD's

2004-02-07 Thread Svens

hi, here is a vary short HOWTO about speed up IDE Harddisks:

open file /etc/init.d/hwtools and insert this lines:

if command -v hdparm >/dev/null 2>&1; then
# insert begin
   hdparm -c3 -d1 -D1 -k1 -u -X68 /dev/hda
# insert end
   true
fi

Parameters are:
-c3 <- use 32bit I/O with write sync
-d1 <- using dma on
-D1 <- on-drive defect managment on (hd firmware)
-k1 <- keep dmu settings over reset on
-u1 <- umask on
-X68 <- 64(UltraDMA) + 4(UltraDMA mode 4); 

good luck  

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Re: Old x486 as thin client

2004-02-07 Thread Andy Firman

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 11:04:56AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 12:56:35PM -0600, Mark Gillingham wrote:
> > In your opinion, am I wasting my time doing this?
> 
> No.  In fact, the local school districts recently were threatened by
> Microsoft, the school districts gave MS the finger and switched to
> Linux (in case you're wondering why k12ltsp exists).
> 
> > If I am not wasting my time, is rdesktop suitable for my purpose of
> > displaying normal Windows apps (e.g., Office). Thanks for your
> > thoughts.
> 
> Why not just set up a real machine with Linux, lots of ram and disk,
> and a fast network, use all the 486s as X servers, and just use X11?

I have always wanted to do this.  How do you have the 486s run an
X server without an OS?  Or do they get a base Debian install?

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Re: Kernel compilation woes

2004-02-07 Thread Andy Firman

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 12:09:10PM -0600, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:
> I'm trying to compile my own 2.4.24 kernel using the sources from 
> kernel.org and the .config from Sarge, and I'm getting some errors:
> 
> # make-kpkg kernel_image
> 
> 
> 
> if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map -b 
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.
> 24/debian/tmp-image -r 2.4.24; fi
> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/debian/tmp-image/lib/mod
> ules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-core.o
> depmod:   init_cmd640_vlb
> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/debian/tmp-image/lib/mod
> ules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/net/wan/comx.o
> depmod:   proc_get_inode
> make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.24'
> make[1]: *** [real_stamp_image] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.24'
> #
> 
> Anyone have any idea what could cause something like this?

Just went through something similar as I was building kernels
today.  You are missing some sort of dependency in the config.

For example, I pulled out a bunch of stuff like pcmcia, irda,
wireless, scsi, isdn, etc... from a kernel config today and got the
same kind of error.  I tracked it down to "sound" and once I put
oss and aci(something) back into the config, it worked fine.

So go to http://groups.google.com/ and type in:

/drivers/ide/ide-core.oor /drivers/net/wan/comx.o

and you will get some ideas of what you need.


-Andy


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Re: i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Morgan

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:02:00 +0100, bruno doutriaux wrote:

> i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host. could
> somebody help me.
> (i have some hints: the debian host is using gaim 0.75 which has security
> fails and i would like to also listen it with a trojan, is it possible on
> a debian?)

I can help you.  Go to the following link and fill out the email form,
pasting your above request into the email body.

As there are no specific fields for this, be sure to add to your request
your vehicle description and license number, and, especially, where you
can normally be located at 5 am your local time.  The good people of the
FBI will be delighted to arrange assistance for you.  Even if you do not
live in the US, some very nice people from an FBI partner will be happy to
drop by and help you out.

BTW, the link is called "tips" because it's where you get "tips", such as
the ones you are requesting.

https://tips.fbi.gov/

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Re: problem

2004-02-07 Thread Kent West

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I recently purchased from your organization a set of 7 CDs to install debian
GNU/Linux 'Woody" 3.Or2.
Yesterday I tried to install the program, but cannot install the base system
using the first CD in the package.
I first get a warning: file:/instmnt/pool/main/n/nano/nano_1.0.6-3_i386.deb
was corrupt
Then I get an error: couldn't download nano

And I was then returned to the screen to install the base system. My
installation will not go past the screen to "install the base system".
I tried several times to load the base system, always with the same result.
I copied the first install CD and tried to install with the copy, with the
same result. I think I have a corrupt first CD, and request a replacement.
Thanks

Douglas Brown
364 W Crestmont Ct
Beverly Hills FL 34465
 

This "organization" is just a mailing list for users of Debian.

The Debian organization itself does not sell CDs 
(http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ - "Debian does not manufacture its 
own CDs, but relies on 3rd party vendors.").

You must've gotten your CDs from a third-party vendor, and it's that 
vendor whom you should be contacting.

However, since Debian is freely available in a variety of ways, there 
are alternatives. For example, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/

You can also use one of the other CDs; since I don't install from CD, 
I'm not familiar with which CD does what, but just try booting off a 
different CD and see how far along that gets you.

Alternatively, if you have a broadband connection (or even a slow 
dial-up connection and you're willing to wait and your modem is a real 
modem and not a "soft-modem"), you can install just far enough to tell 
Debian to install from the network, and pick up from there.

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Re: Knoppix is Not Debian

2004-02-07 Thread Paul E Condon

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 05:12:28PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Marc Wilson wrote:
> 
> >There's no reason why he should be installing operating
> >systems, either, any more than he should be building cars.  Or performing
> >brain surgery.  Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some things that Joe
> >Stupid has no business doing.
> > 
> >
> Installing an OS or building a car aren't quite the same as doing brain 
> surgery. If Joe Stupid wants to build a car, let him. (We might not want 
> to let him drive it in places where faulty design/implementation might 
> get someone hurt, but that's a different issue than building.)
> 
> Just because you wouldn't use Knoppix as a starting point, or jump from 
> stable to unstable, is no reason someone else might not. I tend to agree 
> with you about using Knoppix as a starting point; I wouldn't do it. But 
> I have different reasons than yours. Apparently, installing Knoppix as 
> the basis of a Debian system works for many folks.
> 
> Also, the use of the phrase "a stupid" seems harsh (and most likely, 
> inaccurate).
> 

I think there is a place for Knoppix in introducing newbies to Debian.
You suggest to them that they pop the Knoppix CD into the CD drive, and 
try to boot from it. Tell them that if Knoppix boots from the CD they
really should be able to install Debian, in the sense that there are 
surely no hardware/software impediments to a successful install. It may
turn into a real learning experience but it can be done. On the other
hand, if Knoppix doesn't boot from its CD, it can be suggested that
it will probably be beyond their skill to install Debian on this particular
hardware. And it is reasonably honest to suppose that the hardware is
not yet supported by Debian. 

As to whether or not people who can't install Debian are "stupid", all of
us were newbies at least once, with respect to some topic, potty training
for instance. If the problem is that the newbie is so ill equipped to do
computer stuff that he can't get Knoppix to boot from CD on a computer that
is capable of handling Knoppix, then it is a kindness to blame his failure
on the hardware, and be done with it.

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problem

2004-02-07 Thread dbrown53

I recently purchased from your organization a set of 7 CDs to install debian
GNU/Linux 'Woody" 3.Or2.

Yesterday I tried to install the program, but cannot install the base system
using the first CD in the package.

I first get a warning: file:/instmnt/pool/main/n/nano/nano_1.0.6-3_i386.deb
was corrupt

Then I get an error: couldn't download nano

And I was then returned to the screen to install the base system. My
installation will not go past the screen to "install the base system".

 I tried several times to load the base system, always with the same result.
I copied the first install CD and tried to install with the copy, with the
same result. I think I have a corrupt first CD, and request a replacement.

Thanks

Douglas Brown
364 W Crestmont Ct
Beverly Hills FL 34465


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Re: RSS-Reader - toursst broken ?!

2004-02-07 Thread Andy Firman

On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 01:53:15AM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote:
> 
> Anybody out there with a better alternative for RSS ?

Yes in my opinion.  Try this:

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/rss2email/

RSS feeds come right into your email.  

Awesome, especially if you use mutt for easy reading.

I've always wondered if there is a way to do the same thing
with newsgroups?

-Andy

ps. Evolution has a pretty cool RSS headline feature
that displays on the summary section.

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Re: apache won't start although no errors

2004-02-07 Thread Kevin Coyner

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 05:25:33PM -0500, Adam Aube wrote..

> On Saturday 07 February 2004 05:20 pm, Kevin Coyner wrote:
> 
> > However, if now I go back into httpd.conf, and add the following line
> > to a virtual host directive:
> > SetEnv SQWEBMAIL_TEMPLATEDIR /home/vmail/sqwebmail
> > and restart once more, it all falls apart.
> 
> It's because you commented out the line loading the env_module, which the 
> SetEnv directives rely on. Uncomment the LoadModule line for mod_env.so, 
> and the SetEnv directives should start working again.

I guess my writing wasn't too clear.

I start with the env_module line commented out to get the darn thing
running.  Once it's running, I go back into httpd.conf and UNcomment the
env_module line and restart.  It continues to work through this step.

I then go back again into httpd.conf, and this time uncomment the line:

SetEnv SQWEBMAIL_TEMPLATEDIR /home/vmail/sqwebmail

and then restart yet again.  And it's this time around that it won't
restart.  Or more accurately, it appears to start 'cause I don't get
*any* error msgs, whether on the command line or in the apache logs.
And running 'apache -t' gives a resounding OK.  So one would think that
it's up and running, but there's no PID and any attempts to view a web
page are fruitless.

Kevin

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Re: problem with X

2004-02-07 Thread Bytor the Destroyer

I have done some reading and I have commented out the lines in my XF86Config file load 
GLcore and load dri.  It solved the problem with the errors I got in my XFree86 log.  
I am still having a problem with getting X up and running.  I can get the Nvidia spash 
screen and then I get a black and white screen with a lot of dots on it and a black x 
for the mouse pointer. Then after a quick second it goes back to text mode.  Here is 
my XFree86 log.  I can not see what the problem is.  Hopefully someone can give me a 
clue.  Thanks Clyde

This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any
way.  Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions,
please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository
(http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs)

XFree86 Version 4.2.1.1 (Debian 4.2.1-12.1 20031003005825 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) / X\ 
Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 18 October 2002
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1-ac1-cryptoloop i686 [ELF]
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Sat Feb  7 20:17:38 2004
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
(==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
(**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor"
(**) |   |-->Device "Generic Video Card"
(**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
(**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
(**) XKB: model: "pc104"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "se"
(**) XKB: layout: "se"
(==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled
(**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse"
(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(**) FontPath set to 
"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/l\ib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
(==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
(--) using VT number 7

(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such device)
(II) Module ABI versions:
XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1
XFree86 Video Driver: 0.5
XFree86 XInput driver : 0.3
XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1
XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.3
(II) Loader running on linux
(II) LoadModule: "bitmap"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a
(II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.1.1, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer
ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3
(II) Loading font Bitmap
(II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
(II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.1.1, module version = 0.1.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5
(II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1
(II) PCI: Config type is 1
(II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x8000480c, mode1Res1 = 0x8000
(II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
(II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1106,0305 card , rev 03 class 06,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1106,8305 card , rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01
(II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 1106,0686 card 1106, rev 40 class 06,01,00 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:07:1: chip 1106,0571 card , rev 06 class 01,01,8a hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:07:2: chip 1106,3038 card 0925,1234 rev 16 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:07:3: chip 1106,3038 card 0925,1234 rev 16 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:07:4: chip 1106,3057 card , rev 40 class 06,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:07:5: chip 1106,3058 card 1462,3300 rev 50 class 04,01,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:09:0: chip 1274,5000 card 4942,4c4c rev 00 class 04,01,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:0a:0: chip 10ec,8029 card , rev 00 class 02,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 10de,0111 card 1462,8829 rev b2 class 03,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: End of PCI scan
(II) LoadModule: "scanpci"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
(II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.1.1, module version = 0.1.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5
(II) UnloadModule: "scanpci"
(II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
(II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
(II) PCI-to-ISA bridge:
(II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
(II) PCI-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,0,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set)
(II) Bus 0 I/O range:
[0] -1 00x - 0x (0x1000

Re: Kernel compilation woes

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Morgan

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:09:10 -0600, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:

> I'm trying to compile my own 2.4.24 kernel using the sources from
> kernel.org and the .config from Sarge, and I'm getting some errors:
> 
> # make-kpkg kernel_image
> 
> 
> 
> if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map -b
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.
> 24/debian/tmp-image -r 2.4.24; fi
> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/debian/tmp-image/lib/mod
> ules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-core.o depmod: init_cmd640_vlb
> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/debian/tmp-image/lib/mod
> ules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/net/wan/comx.o depmod: proc_get_inode
> make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.24' make[1]: ***
> [real_stamp_image] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/src/linux-2.4.24' #
> 
> Anyone have any idea what could cause something like this?

One suggestion:  either use the Debian 2.4.24 kernel source, or ditch the
config and make a new one.  Debian kernel sources contain patches which
may affect the config.

Whether this specifically is your problem or not I don't know.  I've
never had problems compiling 2.4.* kernels from Debian source and configs,
including 2.4.24.

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Re: Better program than Putty?

2004-02-07 Thread Steve Lamb

Paul Johnson wrote:
Yours is the only Windows installation that draws the high-ascii lines
correctly in anything other than Lucida Console.  WTF?
No clue.  *shrug*

I like Lucida Console because it's the closest thing to an X font.
Wouldn't that depend on the X font you choose?  In X I use 8x13bold for 
all my console work.  Courier/New Courier look almost identical to 8x13bold 
while Lucida does not.  :)

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Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Steve Lamb

Paul Johnson wrote:
That's what procmail is for, though.
No, procmail is what the tech demo mutt needs to act like a real mail 
client.  That's a deficiency in mutt.

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Plustek 9636P and SANE on Debian Unstable?

2004-02-07 Thread Joseph Jones

Could anyone give me any help with this? I've cursed myself with a 
parallel port scaner, it seems, and I have to go about creating devices 
and all sorts of stuff. Basically, I'm very very lost and also it looks 
as though I'm supposed to be using some kinda kernel module, but I'm not 
sure. Some of the stuff I've read seems to indicate it may be optional.

If anyone knows anything about this, please reply :) Thanks alot.

Joe

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Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Steve Lamb

Paul Johnson wrote:
OK, then why does TB still have more in common than OE than a real
mail client?
Depends on what you call a real mail client.  I see TB having far more in 
commong with Sylpheed-claws and kmail than lookout.  Mutt, on the other hand, 
is a nice tech demo but a crappy client.

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Re: Is Security Host up

2004-02-07 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf

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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:42:54 -0800
Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:17:11AM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> > as per the posting on 2nd of Feb. saying that klecker had crashed, Is
> > security.debian.org back in business...
> 
> And of course it was FAR easier to jump in with another idiot-level
> question, rather than check the archive, or horror of HORRORS, actually
> look and see for yourself?
> 
> Wow... I bet you actually think posting to the list and waiting for a
> response was a faster way to get an answer.
> 
well.. there's nothing wow in it. i better know that refering to debian.org would be 
the best/fastest possible way to get relevant information. For your unkind information 
there's nothing such mentioned.. and for the level of the question being "Idiot", it 
depends on the human mind how you take it.
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Floppy installer fails to load modules

2004-02-07 Thread Jack Carroll

Didn't find anything about this in the archives.
I want to install Woody or Sarge on two older machines that have
SCSI CD-ROMs and SCSI hard disks.  Neither can boot from a CD.  I've always
booted installation programs from floppies in the past.
I downloaded the boot floppy set and wrote them out according to the
instructions in "Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 for Intel x86".  I've read
the manual pretty thoroughly.  I checked each floppy against the downloaded
image with cmp.  None had errors.
After the rescue and root floppies read in, I got a message saying
that no hard disks were recognized.  (The same thing occurs with my
Ethernet boards; they need to have modules loaded before they can be
recognized.)
Then I select "Load modules from floppies".  That fails with a
message saying that it was unable to mount the driver floppy.  If I try to
mount any of them on a machine that has Linux running, it asks me to specify
the filesystem type.  All reasonable guesses fail -- it ain't msdos, ext2,
or ext3.

This sounds like a problem with the installation instructions.  Has
anybody successfully done an install from floppies on a system that needs
modules to be loaded?  Do I need to build a custom kernel and install that
on a rescue floppy?


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Re: Is Security Host up

2004-02-07 Thread Jeff Green



Marc Wilson wrote:
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:17:11AM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:

as per the posting on 2nd of Feb. saying that klecker had crashed, Is
security.debian.org back in business...


And of course it was FAR easier to jump in with another idiot-level
question, rather than check the archive, or horror of HORRORS, actually
look and see for yourself?
Wow... I bet you actually think posting to the list and waiting for a
response was a faster way to get an answer.
Wow... you actually think being abusive to people you don't know is clever?
Why not just politely say "Yes, but it would probably have been quicker for you 
to try it for yourself than to post a message here" ?

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Re: Knoppix is Not Debian

2004-02-07 Thread Kent West

Marc Wilson wrote:

There's no reason why he should be installing operating
systems, either, any more than he should be building cars.  Or performing
brain surgery.  Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some things that Joe
Stupid has no business doing.
 

Installing an OS or building a car aren't quite the same as doing brain 
surgery. If Joe Stupid wants to build a car, let him. (We might not want 
to let him drive it in places where faulty design/implementation might 
get someone hurt, but that's a different issue than building.)

Just because you wouldn't use Knoppix as a starting point, or jump from 
stable to unstable, is no reason someone else might not. I tend to agree 
with you about using Knoppix as a starting point; I wouldn't do it. But 
I have different reasons than yours. Apparently, installing Knoppix as 
the basis of a Debian system works for many folks.

Also, the use of the phrase "a stupid" seems harsh (and most likely, 
inaccurate).

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Re: Is Security Host up

2004-02-07 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf

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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:56:15 -0600
"Jacob S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 03:17:11 +0530
> Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > hi all,
> > 
> > as per the posting on 2nd of Feb. saying that klecker had crashed, Is
> > security.debian.org back in business or should I still use the
> > substitute host (ftp.rfc822.org) ?
> > 
> > rrs
> 
> Security.debian.org is up and has been for a few days now.
> 
> HTH & HAND,
> Jacob
> 

But was there really any official mail from Debian List stating that 
security.debian.org was back.
AFAIR, there wasn't any such mail. Shouldn't there be a notification ?

rrs
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Re: Old x486 as thin client

2004-02-07 Thread Carl Fink

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 12:56:35PM -0600, Mark Gillingham wrote:

> ... is rdesktop suitable for my purpose of displaying normal
> Windows apps (e.g., Office). Thanks for your thoughts.

I don't know.

But I do know this:  VNC works great for the purpose and it's
enormously easier to use.
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Re: Is Security Host up

2004-02-07 Thread Marc Wilson

On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:17:11AM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> as per the posting on 2nd of Feb. saying that klecker had crashed, Is
> security.debian.org back in business...

And of course it was FAR easier to jump in with another idiot-level
question, rather than check the archive, or horror of HORRORS, actually
look and see for yourself?

Wow... I bet you actually think posting to the list and waiting for a
response was a faster way to get an answer.

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Re: Knoppix is Not Debian

2004-02-07 Thread Marc Wilson

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 10:28:03PM +0100, David Baron wrote:
> Once you do the HD installation, you have their, allbeit mixed, distro based 
> on Debian and KDE.

Ok, now... we've got a stupid who couldn't figure out how to read well
enough to run the Debian installer.  You thus propose to him that he
install a completely non-standard Knoppix, which he does.

> You then upgrade and play with it the way you would with any purer Debian
> installation.

And *now* you propose that the same stupid move to unstable, which is the
only possible sane upgrade target from the mess that is Knoppix.  Just
great... he didn't have enough clue to understand *stable*, and now you
propose to shunt him directly to *unstable*.  Please.

> What Knoppix gives you is decent hardware detection and auto-setup.
> Debian will itself be doing this.

Yes, unfortunately even Debian will be pandering to the stupids who can't
be bothered to read well enough to know what was on the invoice they just
signed.

And NO, before you whine... there's no reason why the stupids should have
to know that.  There's no reason why he should be installing operating
systems, either, any more than he should be building cars.  Or performing
brain surgery.  Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some things that Joe
Stupid has no business doing.

Sorry... the answer to Barbie's statement "But that's so hard!" is not to
dumb it down so that Barbie can continue not to think, but rather to
understand that there are some things Barbie just shouldn't be doing
without appropriate training.

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Re: ifupdown configuration

2004-02-07 Thread Adam Aube

On Friday 06 February 2004 05:28 pm, Paladin wrote:
> I think there should be a way for us to select the command line
> options of the used dhcp client. Or at least the package maintainers
> of the dhcp client should create a script for reading command line
> options from the "/etc/default" directory.

You should probably report this as a bug at bugs.debian.org (probably as a 
wishlist item), if you really want to see this behavior changed in a 
future release.

Adam


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Re: apache won't start although no errors

2004-02-07 Thread Adam Aube

On Saturday 07 February 2004 05:20 pm, Kevin Coyner wrote:
> Through a lot of trial and error, I did manage to get back into a
> running state.  Actually, more like a limping state.

> However, if now I go back into httpd.conf, and add the following line
> to a virtual host directive:
> SetEnv SQWEBMAIL_TEMPLATEDIR /home/vmail/sqwebmail
> and restart once more, it all falls apart.

It's because you commented out the line loading the env_module, which the 
SetEnv directives rely on. Uncomment the LoadModule line for mod_env.so, 
and the SetEnv directives should start working again.

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F-prot update cron script fails

2004-02-07 Thread VSJ

Dear List,

I'm using F-Prot antivirus on my Woody 3.0r2 box to scan incoming and
outgoing e-mail using amavis.
F-Prot has been installed using f-prot-installer from sid.
The installation went fine and F-Prot works like a charm.

I'd like to update my virus-definitions twice a day, and I'd like to check
for a new F-Prot version once a week. For this, I use a cron script, pasted
below:

--
P1:~# cat /etc/cron.d/f-prot-installer
#   (c) FRISK Software International
#   author: Svavar Ingi Hermannsson 2002 - 2003
#
#   http://www.f-prot.com/
#
# If you want to run this script in a cronjob, then you
# should put a cron entry into your crontab similar to
# the following example. Here's an example of a crontab
# entry which runs check-updates twice a day: 04:27 and
# 16:27.
#
# m h dom mon dow user  command
27 4,16 * * * root  /usr/lib/f-prot/tools/check-updates -cron -quiet
#
# (consult your crontab manual page, this format may differ between
# versions)

P1:~#
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Unfortunately, this doesn't work, I get an e-mail twice a day with the
following subject:

"Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> root if [ -x /usr/lib/f-prot/tools/check-updates ];
then /usr/lib/f-prot/tools/check-updates -cron -quiet; fi"

(one line, without the quotation marks)

And with the following message body:

/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `then'
/bin/sh: -c: line 1: `root if [ -x /usr/lib/f-prot/tools/check-updates ];
then /usr/lib/f-prot/tools/check-updates -cron -quiet; fi'

(two lines, both starting with "/bin/sh: -c: line 1: ")

This problems exists for almost a year. Now I'd like to solve it. I don't
know where the 'if' statement in the cron error message comes from.
I already tried purging F-Prot, removing the cron script, rewrite the cron
script, etc. I don't know what I should do next.

Thanks in advance for any suggestion and/or a possible solution.

Stanley





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Re: apache won't start although no errors

2004-02-07 Thread Kevin Coyner



On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:07:36AM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote..

> I too am having similar problems.
> 
> executing /etc/init.d/apache start
> shows no errors. But apache isn't running. No telnet response on port 80. Nothing.
> Although apache-ssl works fine. 
> apachectl configtest on my machine also results in "Syntax OK".
> 
> plz help.

Through a lot of trial and error, I did manage to get back into a
running state.  Actually, more like a limping state.  Here's what I did:

1.  copied my httpd.conf file to a backup
2.  apt-get --reinstall install apache
3.  copied my httpd.conf.backup back to httpd.conf
4.  added the following lines 

#LoadModule env_module   /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_env.so
#LoadModule php4_module  /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so

after the line

Include /etc/apache/modules.conf [around line 200+]

5.  Note that these two lines are commented out.  If I start apache with

/etc/init.d/apache start

it starts fine.  
I then go back into httpd.conf and uncomment those two lines, and issue

/etc/init.d/apache restart

and it continues to work.

However, if now I go back into httpd.conf, and add the following line to
a virtual host directive:

SetEnv SQWEBMAIL_TEMPLATEDIR /home/vmail/sqwebmail

and restart once more, it all falls apart.

So for now I'm commenting out all the SetEnv lines and just taking a
breather.  And hoping someone can shed a little more light on this.

Thanks
Kevin


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RE: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Henrik Johansson



-Original Message-
From: Jacob S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: den 7 februari 2004 22:54
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Securing it properly


On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:56:46 -0500
Brett Carrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:48:56PM +0100, Henrik Johansson wrote:
> > Why is the standard webserver Apache 1.3
> > and not 2.0? I thought it was stable.
> If you want to run 2.0 use the package 'apache2'. Because of the
> many changes between the 1.3 tree and 2.0 of apache, Debian has
> put apache2 in it's own package. This is good because 1.3 is still
> being maintained and it doesn't require 1.3 users to upgrade to the
> different paradigm of 2.0.

This will not work in Woody. Apache2 is in Unstable and/or Testing, for
Debian.

As to why it did not make it in to Stable (Woody), a stable release
wasn't ready when Woody went into 'feature-freeze'.

Jacob

Ok, do you know the time frame for stable release of 2.0?
I can settle for 1.3 but i really like the new features in 2.0.

Henrik


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Re: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Adam Aube

On Saturday 07 February 2004 04:54 pm, Jacob S. wrote:
> This will not work in Woody. Apache2 is in Unstable and/or Testing, for
> Debian.

But the OP could check www.backports.org - it probably has a backport of 
Apache 2 for Woody.

Adam


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High ASCII via ssh (was: Re: Better program than Putty?)

2004-02-07 Thread Sascha Andres

Hi,
* Steve Lamb wrote on 06.02.2004 (23:01):
> Yours:
> http://www.dmiyu.org/~grey/lucida.png
> 
> Mine:
> http://www.dmiyu.org/~grey/courier.png
> 
> Notice the lines are the same; high-ascii.

How did you get the thread lines drawn correctly? I tried
several ssh clients on windows based machines, but I never
got them drawn correctly...

-sa

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Re: Knoppix is Not Debian

2004-02-07 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf

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> mailing list becomes the best source of advice. Knoppsters on their mailing 
> list will tell you this as well.
> 
well! as Knoppix users are called Knoppsters (as you say), what do we call debian 
users ?
Debianiac ?


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Re: Is Security Host up

2004-02-07 Thread Jacob S.

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 03:17:11 +0530
Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> hi all,
> 
> as per the posting on 2nd of Feb. saying that klecker had crashed, Is
> security.debian.org back in business or should I still use the
> substitute host (ftp.rfc822.org) ?
> 
> rrs

Security.debian.org is up and has been for a few days now.

HTH & HAND,
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Re: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Jacob S.

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:56:46 -0500
Brett Carrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:48:56PM +0100, Henrik Johansson wrote:
> > Why is the standard webserver Apache 1.3
> > and not 2.0? I thought it was stable.
> If you want to run 2.0 use the package 'apache2'. Because of the
> many changes between the 1.3 tree and 2.0 of apache, Debian has
> put apache2 in it's own package. This is good because 1.3 is still
> being maintained and it doesn't require 1.3 users to upgrade to the
> different paradigm of 2.0.

This will not work in Woody. Apache2 is in Unstable and/or Testing, for
Debian.

As to why it did not make it in to Stable (Woody), a stable release
wasn't ready when Woody went into 'feature-freeze'.

Jacob

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Is Security Host up

2004-02-07 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf

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hi all,

as per the posting on 2nd of Feb. saying that klecker had crashed, Is 
security.debian.org back in business or should I still use the substitute host 
(ftp.rfc822.org) ?

rrs
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Exim4 synchronization error over ssh tunnel

2004-02-07 Thread Philipp Weis

Hi all,

I'm using a ssh tunnel between my local smtp server and the one running on
my mail server to receive my mail. This setup has worked relly well for me
in the past months and has the advantage that I do not have to
periodically check for new mail, but get it delivered directly to me.

I have been running exim4 on the server and the old exim 3 on my local
machine, without any problems. Today I upgraded the local machine to
exim4. Now I get synchronization errors on every incoming smtp connection
from my server. Although exim says the message has been rejected because
of a synchronization error, but receives the message without an error just
after the error, probably in another connection attempt. Exim's mainlog
shows the following:

2004-02-07 22:26:09 SMTP protocol violation: synchronization error (input sent without 
waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=localhost [127.0.0.1]
2004-02-07 22:26:10 1ApZxq-0001PY-GW <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] H=localhost 
(arthur.pweis.com) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp X=TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16 S=1134 [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
2004-02-07 22:26:10 1ApZxq-0001PY-GW => pweis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> R=procmail 
T=procmail_pipe
2004-02-07 22:26:10 1ApZxq-0001PY-GW Completed

My servers transport configuration used for streaming over the ssh tunnel:

stream_smtp:
  driver = smtp
  interface = 127.0.0.1
  allow_localhost = true
  port = my-smtp
  tls_certificate = /etc/exim4/certs/arthur-exim.crt
  tls_privatekey = /mnt/crypto/arthur-exim.key
  tls_verify_certificates = /etc/exim4/certs/CA.pem
  hosts_require_tls = *

The ssh tunnel basically connects arthur:my-smtp to my local machine's
(zaphod) port 25.

If I add 'smtp_enforce_sync = false' to my configuration, exim does not
complain any longer. So I suspect that either the synchronization check is
somewhat broken or something is going wrong over the tunnel. Any ideas?

Regards,

Philipp


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Re: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Brett Carrington

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 10:18:42PM +0100, Henrik Johansson wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:48:56PM +0100, Henrik Johansson wrote:
> I see! Thx!
> 
> I just do: 
>   apt-get remove apache
>   apt-get install apache2
> 
> Right?
> 
> Is the apt-get command really as good as
> the doc implies?
> With dependencies i mean.
> This was a bugger on rh...
> 
  Yes it is that good. You may want to try using the program aptitude
as well. (apt-get install aptitude) and then run either 'aptitude'
alone or use it like apt-get (aptitude install apache2).
> A final comment:
> The install procedure is not half as hard as everyone
> said! Refreshing actually!
It's refreshing because it's The Right Way(tm). ;)


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RE: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Henrik Johansson


-Original Message-
From: Brett Carrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: den 7 februari 2004 21:57
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Securing it properly


On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:48:56PM +0100, Henrik Johansson wrote:
> Why is the standard webserver Apache 1.3
> and not 2.0? I thought it was stable.
If you want to run 2.0 use the package 'apache2'. Because of the
many changes between the 1.3 tree and 2.0 of apache, Debian has
put apache2 in it's own package. This is good because 1.3 is still
being maintained and it doesn't require 1.3 users to upgrade to the
different paradigm of 2.0.

I see! Thx!

I just do: 
apt-get remove apache
apt-get install apache2

Right?

Is the apt-get command really as good as
the doc implies?
With dependencies i mean.
This was a bugger on rh...

A final comment:
The install procedure is not half as hard as everyone
said! Refreshing actually!


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Re: Antivirus software for gnu/linux

2004-02-07 Thread David Baron

On Friday 06 February 2004 16:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > I installed all the "clam" stuff.
> >
> > All the daemons are running. However, all the old virus-spam email, those
> > Microsoft Update thingies, are still coming through without any
> > notification.
>
> Just installing it doesn't do anything, you have to send stuff at
> clamscan for it to check it.
>

I have run the scan, it was clean. Should probably cron it.

> > How do I know the clam is working and what notification options are
> > there?
>
> Don't send notifications.  That only serves to spam people.  Reject it
> at SMTP-time instead.
>
> http://ursine.ca/~baloo/clamd-exiscan.txt

I am not running exim4. I would like to stop incoming (as well) so need a pop3 
block. Filters in Kmail trap the Debian-user-digest as well :-)


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Re: i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host

2004-02-07 Thread Andreas Janssen

Hello

bruno doutriaux (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host.
> could somebody help me.

Ask the admin of that host politely.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Brett Carrington

On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:48:56PM +0100, Henrik Johansson wrote:
> Why is the standard webserver Apache 1.3
> and not 2.0? I thought it was stable.
If you want to run 2.0 use the package 'apache2'. Because of the
many changes between the 1.3 tree and 2.0 of apache, Debian has
put apache2 in it's own package. This is good because 1.3 is still
being maintained and it doesn't require 1.3 users to upgrade to the
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Re: Trying to install Linux on machine that refueses every OS but XP...

2004-02-07 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf

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how do you create the partitions. plz show it.
is your /boot at the beginning ?

rrs

On Sat,  7 Feb 2004 08:08:37 -0800
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> My brother recently built a new computer:
> Albatron 865PE motherboard
> 1 Gig DDR400
> Radeon 9200
> 40GB HDD, 120GB HDD
> P4 2.8Ghz
> 
> I've been trying for the last two days to install Linux on it, and with two
> distributions.  Slackware has an error when it attempts to install LILO to
> either drive's MBR or to the superblock.  Debian has no error, but nothing is
> installed (I get the "INSERT SYSTEM BOOT DISK AND PRESS SPACEBAR" message, not a
> nice one).
> I don't think that the motherboard has anti-MBR-writing features (it rejects
> win2k installs, BTW) but it could be.  Anyone have any advice?
> Regards,
> Dibujante
> 
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Re: apache won't start although no errors

2004-02-07 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf

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I too am having similar problems.

executing /etc/init.d/apache start
shows no errors. But apache isn't running. No telnet response on port 80. Nothing.
Although apache-ssl works fine. 
apachectl configtest on my machine also results in "Syntax OK".

plz help.

rrs

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:54:31 -0500
Kevin Coyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> This one is weird.
> 
> I'm running apache 1.3, and just did a restart, and it won't come up.
> 
> When I execute 'apachectl start' I get:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$ apachectl start
> Processing config directory: /etc/apache/conf.d
> Processing config file: /etc/apache/conf.d/phpmyadmin
> 
> Which is pretty normal.
> 
> But when I check to see if it's running, it's not.  No PID.  Nothing.
> 
> When I execute 'apachectl configtest' I get:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$ apachectl configtest
> Processing config directory: /etc/apache/conf.d
> Processing config file: /etc/apache/conf.d/phpmyadmin
> Syntax OK
> 
> So my httpd.conf file is just fine.
> 
> /var/log/apache/error.log doesn't give any clues.
> 
> What am I missing?  In a bit of a panic here ...
> 
> Thanks
> Kevin
> 
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Re: Old x486 as thin client

2004-02-07 Thread Jeffrey L. Taylor

My 133MHz 5x86 with VLB video was just barely adequate to run X11.
The bottleneck is the video card, not the CPU.  Same problems with a
50MHz 486DX2.

Jeffrey

Quoting Mark Gillingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm a newbie, but have some experience with rdesktop and Terminal 
> Services on W2K. That is, I think it would be suitable for some 
> purposes at our foundation. We have a number of old Zeos (AMD5x86) 
> boxes with 300MB drives that are all alike so parts are available. I 
> installed X11 on one and noticed that it took about 65% of the drive. I 
> don't have X working yet (I need to configure for S3 Trio) so I can't 
> test for myself. In your opinion, am I wasting my time doing this? If I 
> am not wasting my time, is rdesktop suitable for my purpose of 
> displaying normal Windows apps (e.g., Office). Thanks for your thoughts.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 


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Securing it properly

2004-02-07 Thread Henrik Johansson


Hi all!

I'm a former RH user moving to Debian!
Better late than never!

I have a gazillion questions but i'll
settle for this at first.

There is a lot of doc out there...

Why is the standard webserver Apache 1.3
and not 2.0? I thought it was stable.

/ Henrik


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Re:Knoppix is Not Debian

2004-02-07 Thread David Baron

Cute.

Once you do the HD installation, you have their, allbeit mixed, distro based 
on Debian and KDE. You then upgrade and play with it the way you would with 
any purer Debian installation. What Knoppix gives you is decent hardware 
detection and auto-setup. Debian will itself be doing this.

Knoppix is a quick jumpstart into Linux for Novices, yes. One can also 
purchase Lindows or Xandro for similar results. After HD installation, this 
mailing list becomes the best source of advice. Knoppsters on their mailing 
list will tell you this as well.


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Re: Can't play *.wav files in XMMS.

2004-02-07 Thread Adam

On Friday 06 February 2004 19:10, Daniel Frank wrote:

> Wav-files are only container files that can contain uncompressed
> ("standard PCM" or something like this) or compressed sounds. Playing
> a wav-file only works if you have the (de-)compressor available. As
> far as I know xmms can only play uncompressed wav-files (but I'm not
> sure about this).

I didn't know that.  So the problem may not be "can't play *.wav files
in XMMS" but rather "can't play certain *.wav files...".

> Maybe mplayer has the needed decompressor for your wav-file. Try to
> install mplayer if you don't have already and use it to create an
> uncompressed wav-file. AFAIR mplayer is able to create uncompressed
> wav-files (try man mplayer).

I'll try it.

Thanks,
Adam


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Re: Can't play *.wav files in XMMS.

2004-02-07 Thread Adam

On Friday 06 February 2004 14:20, Andreas Janssen wrote:

> Something is wrong with the wav file, or it is some non-standard
> format. I can't say what exactly is the problem from here. Where did
> you get the files? If you have some other software (like some windows
> player) that can play them, maybe using that player's disk writer
> plugin (if it has one) can help.

I know the file can be played on some Windows application (because it
came from a Windows user who had been able to play it).


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Re: Can't play *.wav files in XMMS.

2004-02-07 Thread Adam

On Friday 06 February 2004 19:20, Rob Weir wrote:

>> Something is wrong with the wav file, or it is some non-standard
>> format.

So WAVE is not one standard format but a collection of various
(presumably related) formats?

> On this note, what does "file" say the type of the file is?

$ file start.wav 
start.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, ITU G.711 A-law, mono 8000 Hz

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Re: i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson

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On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 09:02:00PM +0100, bruno doutriaux wrote:
> i would like to read some root files on a distant debian host.

Do you know the root password?  No?  Then we're not going to help you
be a script kiddie.

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Re: Audio Advice

2004-02-07 Thread Paladin

I could swear I've used the i810_audio driver even before the 2.4.18
kernel! Even though I've ever had problems with it...
The biggest one is that my chip only runs at 48kHz, so unless the
program does some conversion the sound plays very "fast". That must
be the case with ESD! I use NAS, but I also had to configure it to
use the 48kHz. But my advice is that you get Debian's ALSA modules
and compile them for your kernel. They are great, and even Opera
plays sounds OK.

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 08:53:11 -0600
Joel Konkle-Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can't run esd. When I start it up, it says it can't find any 
> compatible sample rates/bit rates and exits. Even 16bit/44100Hz is
> 
> listed as "unavailable".

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