Re: What have I done wrong.

[Adam Porter]

mkontakt wrote:

> I have the latest Debian key 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03
> [expires: 2007-02-07] despite this  while upgrading Debian packages
> from the official
> sites, I got the warning "The following packages cannot be
> authenticated!". Why, should I trust the Debian packages?

Please search on wiki.debian.org and you will find the proper instructions
to solve this problem.


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Re: Problems installing Debian on old laptop

[Adam Porter]

Piers Kittel wrote:

> When trying to boot Debian (using the 3.1 r0 netboot CD) to install, it
won't work at all:

I recommend trying the newer testing netboot installer CDs, rather than the
Sarge r0 one.  It might help.


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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Ken Irving]

On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 12:28:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 14 April 2006 21:57, Ken Irving wrote:
> >On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 01:11:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> This is not the first time I've seen an argument about whether a
> >> specific message had the unsubscribe tag-line appended to it.
> >> There would seem to be confused mail clients out there that  cut off
> >> the signature if there is also a PGP key.  Does anyone know which
> >> ones?
> >
> >IMHO the confused clients must be the ones showing the tag-line. ;-)
> >
> >I think the pgp thing is a red (pink?) herring; the effect is actually
> > due to MIME encoding, which pgp messages use, as do other messages.
> 
> I think you are correct.  The answer I haven't looked up yet, is what is 
> an email agent supposed to do with 2 or 3 extra text lines that are 
> below the end marker of the mimetype?  IMO it should fall back to plain 
> text mode and display it, but what does the actual rfc say about such a 
> situation?

This page links to several rfcs, http://www.livinginternet.com/e/ea_att_mime.htm
dealing with MIME.  From rfc1341:

In the case of multiple part messages, in which one or  more
different  sets  of  data  are  combined in a single body, a
"multipart" Content-Type field must appear in  the  entity's
header. The body must then contain one or more "body parts,"
each preceded by an encapsulation boundary, and the last one
followed  by  a  closing boundary. ...
...

There appears to be room for additional information prior to
the  first  encapsulation  boundary  and following the final
boundary.  These areas should generally be left  blank,  and
implementations  should  ignore anything that appears before
the first boundary or after the last one.

NOTE:  These "preamble" and "epilogue" areas  are  not  used
because  of the lack of proper typing of these parts and the
lack  of  clear  semantics  for  handling  these  areas   at
gateways, particularly X.400 gateways.

If the message is identified as "multipart" in the header, then it's not
supposed to revert to a flat body model.  It probably could be "recommended"
to work that way, but it doesn't appear to be.

> 
> And, how much screwing around would it be to make the listserver actualy 
> wrap it with the proper mimetype declaration?

The SmartList (used for the debian lists) FAQ ends with:

8.13: Why are MIME and HTML emails a problem for SmartList?

This FAQ entry originated in a discussion about problems with
embedding X-Commands in the body of a MIME formatted message.
... The exact same type of trouble arises when you want to add
a custom message heading or footer to the body of a message. ...
...

Hans-Albert Schneider, by way of Martin Mokrejs contributed this
useful explanation of why X-Commands from the message body won't
work if the email is divided into MIME segments! This is because
MIME segments create extra blank lines between the header and
the body; something like this:
...

Body heading:
Text inserted by recipes immediately after the first blank line
(i.e. at the start of the body if the message were a regular text
email) won't show up because it's before the first MIME separator,
and thus doesn't belong to any of the MIME message parts.

You'd need to properly determine which MIME sections to modify
and which to leave alone (e.g. leave all attachments and binaries
alone). Then you'd need to figure out how to parse each segment
to be modified, and insert the text appropriately, e.g. as html
before the closing html tag in the html section, and just as text
in the text section. Very messy. Probably possible if you're
good with perl and understand the MIME format, and if all of
your submitters use proper MIME formatting email clients. God
save you if someone decides to post the newsletter as a word doc.

Body footer:
Similar to the previous case, but here the text is injected after
the final MIME separator, and so again doesn't belong to any of
the MIME message parts.

A proper MIME-aware text insertion recipe would have to know
how to modify ALL of the text message segments without touching
any message segments which contain non-message text data,
e.g. attachments.

So it looks like it means fixing something, somewhere.

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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[Christopher Nelson]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 11:44:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 02:45 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> > On (15/04/06 10:58), David Purton wrote:
> > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > > From: David Purton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:58:13 +0930
> > > Subject: Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera
> > > Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 05:42:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 21:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> [snip]
> > > You must force the camera to use PTP mode in whatever app you are using.
> > 
> > I tried that workaround and it didn't work.
> > 
> > $ gphoto2 --camera "Canon Powershot S1 IS (PTP mode)" --port=usb\: -L
> > 
> > *** Error ***  
> > An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not
> > find USB device (vendor 0x4a9, product 0x309c). Make sure this 
> > device is connected to the computer.
> > *** Error (-2: 'Bad parameters') ***   
> 
> Regarding the "Could not find USB device", run it as root.

And if that works, add yourself to the 'camera' group rather than
continuing to run it as root everytime you want it.

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Re: trouble getting my wireless stuff to work

[tom arnall]

>
> I haven't made much headway with this, other than there does seem to be
> a change between the sarge gcc and the etch / sid gcc in this area.
>
> Since I'm running sarge I can't immediately try it myself.
>
> One idea though -- given the level of support and Debian-friendliness
> I've found from the last few days' googling for Madwifi, I'd be stunned
> if the guys who put this driver together would deliver something that
> wouldn't work with etch or sid (the usual disclaimers about testing and
> unstable notwithstanding). Especially given that the available packages
> are in /unstable and as such are targetting sid...
>
> There's a sarge-friendly version out there I noticed from my googling --
> where did you get the version of the driver you are trying to compile?
> Is there any chance you've picked up a sarge version of the driver and
> are trying to compile it under etch or sid?
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Mark
>
>

Mark,

thanks very much for your help in this thing.

how do i tell if my kernel is sarge or sid/etch? 'uname -a' gives me: 

Linux debian 2.6.8-2-386

i am trying to stay with the testing segment of debian. will getting the sid 
or etch version of the kernel force me to go to unstable?

tom





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Booting a copy of a Debian system

[Magnus Therning]

I've been trying to re-organise my drives somewhat. Since qtparted can't
move partitions around (at least not the version on Knoppix 4.0.2) I
decided to make copies of my partitions:

 /dev/sda5 [/boot]  -->  /dev/sda7
 /dev/sda6 [/]  -->  /dev/sda8

I modified (/dev/sda8)/etc/fstab like this to mount the proper
partitions. I also modified GRUB's menu.lst, adding the following entry:

 title   New system
 root(hd0,6)
 kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.16-1-k7 root=/dev/sda8 ro vga=793
 initrd  /initrd.img-2.6.16-1-k7

However, when booting "New system" I still end up with the following:

 % mount|grep sda
 /dev/sda6 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro,acl)
 /dev/sda5 on /boot type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev)

What's going on here, and how do I boot the copy I made?

/M

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Re: Cameras.

[Larry Garfield]

On Friday 14 April 2006 06:12, Katipo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm looking at purchasing a digital camera, 5 - 6 MP, and looking for
> recommendations, from those with positive experiences, of makes and
> models they'd be prepared to recommend.
> Thanks in advance.
> Regards,

I'm a fan of small cameras, so I've been happy with my Canon PowerShot SD400.  
5 MP, 3x optical zoom, automatic most things, uses SD cards, nice big screen, 
and overall very small.  (Like, pack of cigarettes but thinner.)  I've no 
idea what it's Linux support is like, since I've never bothered to find out.  
I just take the SD card out and stick it in a card reader like a civilized 
person. :-)

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exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, 
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to 
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession 
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  -- Thomas 
Jefferson


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Re: Upgrading from Ubuntu to Debian

[Miles Bader]

Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 2. change your sources.list to point to debian testing and do a
> dist-upgrade. GOOD LUCK!!!
...
> The second method is VERY error prone. You might get into dependency
> hell, config hell, ... and this (should at least) replaces all
> Ubuntu packages with their debian versions. So not very far from a
> reinstall either.

I've done this, and it actually went much more smoothly than that.

_However_ to deal with the few exceptions that may arise, you should
know how to use apt-get to work around dependency problems (using
aptitude helps because it can suggest possible solutions).

In my case, there were only a few problematic packages, in particular,
ubuntu's different package organization for python and x (window system).

I eventually got around the latter problem by downgrading to xfree86 in
testing then upgrading back up to xorg after I was safely in
debian-land; however this is the sort of thing a novice probably
wouldn't know to try, and of course downgrading is always potentially
dangerous.  [The alternative would be to simply uninstall x and later
re-install it, but this would cause many other GUI type packages to be
uninstalled, so one would need to keep a list of things to re-install
afterwards.]

Other than those things, basically everything just worked.  I didn't
need to do any "manual hacking" of anything, just futzing around with
apt-get (well, actually aptitude, which makes things nicer).  It was
certainly far, _far_, ___FAR___, less annoying than a re-install.  For
anybody that is facile with apt-get/aptitude, I'd certainly recommend
the "upgrade away" route over a re-install.

I think the particular problems I encountered may be less of an issue
these days, because debian seems to have moved towards a packaging of
python and x that is more similar to ubuntu's.

One thing I realized after all that, btw, is that the difference between
debian and ubuntu is a lot smaller than people often seem to think.

-Miles
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Re: Running 2 versions of Debian?

[Marc Shapiro]

Albert Dengg wrote:


On Thu, April 13, 2006 4:54 pm, Redefined Horizons said:


I ran into some trouble when I was trying to install the Debian packages
for
Mono. Turns out the stable packages for Sarge at backports.org required a
newer version of libc6 and libglib, which meant removing about 3/4 of the
other packages on my system.

I need a stable Debian OS for certain applications, but I would also like
to
work with some more recent versions of software for some development
projects. Is it possible to run the stable and testing versions of Debian
on
the same hard drive, but in different partitions? What would be the
disadvantages of that system? Where can I find some more information about
how to set that type of system up? (I'm currently dual-booting Debian with
MS Windows XP.)

Thanks,

Scott Huey



Hi

why would you want to tri boot and not having a simple chroot ?
(you could also combine these two options and run your other bootable
debian install also in a chroot, at least if the uids match...)

and using dchroot every user can run apps in the chroot, and with this
script it is also possible to simply create links to the programms from
outside the chroot and using bind mounts you can share the data between
chroot and outside..

i even ran a daemon once, but then you have to manually create the
startup links by hand...

i use such a setup currently to run i396 aps on my amd64 debian install

I had been thinking of similar things, to test some newer apps from 
Etch, or Sid, while keeping the safety of Sarge.  I have never used 
chroot.  Could you point me to a HOWTO, or tutorial that would tell me 
how to set this up?


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Boom. Sooner or later ... boom!

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Paul Johnson]

On Friday 14 April 2006 11:09, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:54:23 -0700
>
> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > But your message doesn't have it!
> >
> > Yes it does.  Please stop spreading misinformation.
> >
> > --
> >  Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm
> > your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   | main connection to the switchboard of
> > souls.
> > ---+-
> >
>
> I've just been taught better. But strange that it shows only in the
> source. A Sylpheed bug? It seems mutt behaves the same.

The list seems to only do it in the header on GPG messages, though the list 
could add another part after the signature without affecting the message.  Or 
people could do one little bit of troubleshooting for themsleves and google 
it.  Or look at the headers...

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Re: trouble getting my wireless stuff to work

[Mark Fletcher]

Mark Fletcher wrote:


--- tom arnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Looks like whether or not there's a working Linux
driver for your wireless card depends on the
 


hardware
   


revision of your particular card. For your card
 


there
   


appear to be 3 revisions and only 1 (C1) is
 


reported
   


to have a working native Linux driver. Check out
 


this
   


link to help you figure out which revision you
 


have:
   


http://support.dlink.com/products/DWLG650.asp

If you are lucky and have the C1 revision, use the
MadWiFi Linux driver. If not, try the Prism or
 


Madwifi
   


drivers and if you can't get them to work, fall
 


back
   


to the ndiswrapper approach -- but if at all
 


possible
   


use a native Linux driver.

Once you've figured out if you have the C1
 


revision or
   


not, post back here if you need help with getting
 


the
   


driver included in the kernel and other setup, or
 


if
   


you need help with ndiswrapper.

HTH

Mark
 


indeed, i could use some help setting up the madwifi
driver. specifically, in 
the error output from the compiler: 
   



OK let me look into this and get back to you. 


Mark
 

I haven't made much headway with this, other than there does seem to be 
a change between the sarge gcc and the etch / sid gcc in this area.


Since I'm running sarge I can't immediately try it myself.

One idea though -- given the level of support and Debian-friendliness 
I've found from the last few days' googling for Madwifi, I'd be stunned 
if the guys who put this driver together would deliver something that 
wouldn't work with etch or sid (the usual disclaimers about testing and 
unstable notwithstanding). Especially given that the available packages 
are in /unstable and as such are targetting sid...


There's a sarge-friendly version out there I noticed from my googling -- 
where did you get the version of the driver you are trying to compile? 
Is there any chance you've picked up a sarge version of the driver and 
are trying to compile it under etch or sid?


Just a thought...

Mark


 


make[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386'
	  CC [M] 
/home/kloro/linux/madwifi-ng/ath_hal/ah_osdep.o

In file included from include/asm/thread_info.h:16,
  from
include/linux/thread_info.h:21,
  from include/linux/spinlock.h:12,
  from
include/linux/capability.h:45,
  from include/linux/sched.h:7,
  from include/linux/module.h:10,
  from
/home/kloro/linux/madwifi-ng/ath_hal/ah_osdep.c:46:
include/asm/processor.h:93: error: array type has
incomplete element type
make[3]: ***
[/home/kloro/linux/madwifi-ng/ath_hal/ah_osdep.o]
Error 1
make[2]: ***
[_module_/home/kloro/linux/madwifi-ng/ath_hal] Error
2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/kloro/linux/madwifi-ng/ath_hal'
make: *** [modules] Error 1

the line 'include/asm/processor.h:93: error: array
type has incomplete element 
type' refers to the following bit of code in

'processor.h':

extern struct tss_struct init_tss[NR_CPUS];

i did further research which seems to indicate that
version 4 of the gcc 
compiler doesn't like declarations of the form:


extern struct foobar array[];

but wants to see instead the form:

extern struct foobar *array;

but i don't know enough about gcc to determine if
indeed this kind of problem 
is the problem with the declaration in
'processor.h'. and if it is, how does 
the principle apply to the declaration in
'processor.h'? i.e., wtf do i need 
to change in the header file? further, i cannot find
on the internet anything 
like a comprehensive list of gcc error messages.


thanks in advance for your ideas,

tom arnall
north spit, ca



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Odd mouse behaviour under Sarge / KDE

[Mark Fletcher]

I'm running a dual boot Windoze XP / sarge updated with all latest 
security updates, and a custom-built 2.6.15.4 kernel from kernel.org.


Under sarge I'm running KDE. While using KDE I occasionally notice the 
mouse pointer suddenly jumping around the screen in a manner bearing no 
relation to the actual movements of the mouse I'm making, and responding 
to mouse clicks I didn't make. The mouse is a 3-button wheel mouse with 
a PS/2 style connector.


Doing a dmesg, I notice this in the log when it happens:
psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, 
throwing 3 bytes away.


When it happens, if I take my hand off the mouse and just sit there for 
a few seconds, during which time nothing happens on the screen at all, I 
can then start using the mouse normally again. For a while until it 
happens again.


This happens a couple of times an hour on average I'd say. I am not 
noticing any obvious trend like it happening more often the longer the 
machine's been up or anything like that.


I don't see behaviour like this under Windows.

That error message quoted above looks like something in the kernel 
complaining. I have support for a PS/2 mouse compiled into the kernel.


In the meantime, my X config (XF86Config-4 -- I'm still on XFree86) 
relating to mice is as follows:

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier  "Mouse0"
   Driver  "mouse"
   Option  "CorePointer"
   Option  "Protocol" "imPS/2"
   Option  "Device" "/dev/psaux"
   Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "true"
   Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
EndSection

Am I being punished by the boffins above for using a post-"stable" 
kernel with "stable" X? And if so how can I sort it out? Or is something 
else going on?


Mark


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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 02:45 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> On (15/04/06 10:58), David Purton wrote:
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > From: David Purton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:58:13 +0930
> > Subject: Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera
> > Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 05:42:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 21:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
[snip]
> > You must force the camera to use PTP mode in whatever app you are using.
> 
> I tried that workaround and it didn't work.
> 
> $ gphoto2 --camera "Canon Powershot S1 IS (PTP mode)" --port=usb\: -L
> 
> *** Error ***  
> An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not
> find USB device (vendor 0x4a9, product 0x309c). Make sure this 
> device is connected to the computer.
> *** Error (-2: 'Bad parameters') ***   

Regarding the "Could not find USB device", run it as root.

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Re: Upgrading from Ubuntu to Debian

[Rob Blomquist]

On Thursday 13 April 2006 12:38 pm, Chris Dunn so eloquently stated:
> I'm coming to Debian via Ubuntu.
>
> Ubuntu (Breezy Badger) mightily impressed me after struggling for
> several years and never quite succeeding with Slackware.

I recently moved back to Debian from Ubuntu as I wanted to move to something 
open rather than Ubuntu's locked down nature.

I did it as a basic CD base install followed by the rest via apt-get. I had 5 
total lockups with apt-get trying to grab gnome-applets-data, which seems to 
have problems on the server side (corrupted?), but the install survived, and 
I was able to finish the install manually.

Nice thing was that my desktop appeared right as I wanted it after getting 
into KDE.

Now all I have to do is configure it the way I want it to run, which will take 
awhile.

Rob

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 14 April 2006 13:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 09:33:35AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> > Huh, look at that. It doesn't show up in any of the attachments
>> > either. Just not there. Good eye Gene.
>>
>> Not true, here's the unsub instructions from the message I am
>> replying to:
>>
>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>> It's there.
>
>This is not the first time I've seen an argument about whether a
>specific message had the unsubscribe tag-line appended to it.
>There would seem to be confused mail clients out there that  cut off
> the signature if there is also a PGP key.  Does anyone know which
> ones?
>
> -- hendrik

We can put kmail-1.7 at least, into that category.


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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 14 April 2006 21:57, Ken Irving wrote:
>On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 01:11:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 09:33:35AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> > Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> > > Huh, look at that. It doesn't show up in any of the attachments
>> > > either. Just not there. Good eye Gene.
>> >
>> > It's there.
>>
>> This is not the first time I've seen an argument about whether a
>> specific message had the unsubscribe tag-line appended to it.
>> There would seem to be confused mail clients out there that  cut off
>> the signature if there is also a PGP key.  Does anyone know which
>> ones?
>
>IMHO the confused clients must be the ones showing the tag-line. ;-)
>
>I think the pgp thing is a red (pink?) herring; the effect is actually
> due to MIME encoding, which pgp messages use, as do other messages.

I think you are correct.  The answer I haven't looked up yet, is what is 
an email agent supposed to do with 2 or 3 extra text lines that are 
below the end marker of the mimetype?  IMO it should fall back to plain 
text mode and display it, but what does the actual rfc say about such a 
situation?

And, how much screwing around would it be to make the listserver actualy 
wrap it with the proper mimetype declaration?

Test question for the mutt users here.  Is there a way to turn off mutts 
automatic sig trimming (anything below the "-- ") thats preventing 
those users from seeing it in a message I originate since with that 
exception, I'm sending plain text.

> Looking at my debian list mail, most multipart messages are pgp,
> others are html, and a few have just plain text sections.  The
> unsubscribe tag-line does not show in my mutt MUA in any of these. 
> If I add another mime boundary before the debian tag-line, then it
> does show up (er, except for the html ones for some reason...).
>
>I've looked a bit at the SmartList source, but haven't found where/how
>this is configured; adding the tag-line, that is.  Per another
> ressponse in this thread, if the tagline were to be identified
> properly as another multipart section it would probably appear in
> compliant MUAs.
>
>Hard to say if this would really help for the OP, of course,
> especially as there are plenty of non-MIME messages that should show
> the information.
>
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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Marc Shapiro]

Marc Shapiro wrote:

I'm using Firefox and the unsub messages shows up at the bottom of 
some posts, but not others.  It is in the raw message text of those 
that do not display it.


Sorry, that should be Thunderbird, not Firefox.  Standard Debian Package 
1.0.2 in Sarge.


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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:55:49 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Huh, look at that. It doesn't show up in any of the attachments
> either. Just not there. Good eye Gene.

Yes, it's very clean.   ;-]

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Marc Shapiro]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 09:33:35AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:


Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


Huh, look at that. It doesn't show up in any of the attachments
either. Just not there. Good eye Gene.


   Not true, here's the unsub instructions from the message I am replying to:

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   It's there.

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  PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
---+-




Interesting. So, I'm using mutt and there is no way I can see the sig
in a pgp signed (and I assume encrypted) message. But if I dit the
raw message it is there. It's something in mutt that doesn't show the
sig outside the signed message. Tbird obviously doesn't have this
problem. I'm not afraid to admit however that it might be a config
issue on my end as I'm only a week or so in mutt.


I'm using Firefox and the unsub messages shows up at the bottom of some 
posts, but not others.  It is in the raw message text of those that do 
not display it.


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What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here.
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Re: Sylpheed vs. Claws (was Re: thunderbird -> kmail)

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:28:34 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> WMII is a dynamic windowmanager that defaults to a "tiled" setup. Each
> window occupies a set area of the screen which is adjusted depending
> on how many windows you open. The windows don't overlap, they are laid
> out on the screen like tiles would be on a floor.
> 
> some gui apps don't play well with that kind of setup, hence my
> question. Windows that do lots of automatic resizing and respawning
> etc can often be a problem as the display tries to alter ALL your
> tiles to suit...
> 
> A

I'd wonder about How Sypheed or Sylpheed-claws would work with that
since they are paned programs, themselves.
Even though you can separate the three panes, each would take up one of
the tiles on your WM.  This might be a little too busy.

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Today's sid dist-upgrade.

[L . V . Gandhi]

Today after my dist-upgrade, x is broken. It says it could not load
default font fixed. It says x11-coomon and other two files couldn't be
installed. Any body faced this? any solutions?

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Re: Xorg upgrade troubles

[Bill Wohler]

Žáček Kryštof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I agree, but only partially.

Agree with what? Top posting makes it really hard to follow a
discussion.

> This proves lack of software quality testing in
> the Debian release model.

Sid isn't released. What part of unstable don't you understand?

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Re: problem chroot-ing apache2 in debian 3.1

[Gezim Hoxha]

On Fri, 2006-14-04 at 09:39 +0200, Sonixxfx wrote:
> I  do not know what is causing this, but I do know that the program
> makejail does the chrooting automatically for you. Maybe you would
> like to have a look at it.

I tried makejail, however I get the same error:
# /etc/init.d/apache2 start
Starting web server: Apache2/usr/sbin/chroot: cannot run command
`/usr/sbin/apache2ctl': No such file or directory

Here is the config file I used:

chroot="/var/chroot/apache"
testCommandsInsideJail=["/usr/sbin/apache2ctl start"]
processNames=["apache2"]

# Eventually append here the commands which access some services
# such as cgi or php scripts, database access, ...
#testCommandsOutsideJail=["wget -r --spider http://localhost/";,
#"lynx --source
https://localhost/";]

preserve=["/var/www",
  "/var/log/apache",
  "/dev/log"]
users=["www-data"]
groups=["www-data"]


Keep in mind I have apache2. So, any suggestions?

Thanks,
-Gezim


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Re: Xorg upgrade troubles

[L . V . Gandhi]

On 4/14/06, Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri April 14 2006 17:07, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
> > I use aliases for all apt jobs. I was thinking I was upgrading. But
> > actually doing dist-upgrade.
> > but for me everything was ok except virtual terminals opening, which
> > is no t happening still, though I have the following in my laptop dell
> > i600m.
> > Option"XkbRules"  "xorg"
> > Option"XkbModel"  "pc104"
> > Option"XkbLayout" "gb"
>
> This is probably a silly question but are you sure you're looking
> at /etc/X11/xorg.conf? I had the same problem and made the mistake of
> changing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
>
> Make certain that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the one that has those three Option
> lines.
Thinking oneself intelligent is good. but not the otherway. What I
have written if from xorg.conf file only.

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Re: Screen resolution problem / unstable

[Matthew R. Dempsky]

(I'm subscribed to the list, so you don't need to send me duplicate
copies.  It's also advisable to avoid top posting your replies.)

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 09:54:30PM +0100, Steve Sheldon wrote:
> I daren't go to the KDE desktop settings here as it will go directly to
> 800 x 600 max .. grin

Oh, I wonder if I misunderstood.  Do you have full resolution when X 
first starts and it only goes away when you open the KDE settings 
window?  If so, that seems more likely to be a KDE bug (which I 
apologize that I am mostly unfamiliar with and cannot help with any 
further :-().


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Re: Cameras.

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Katipo wrote:

Hello,

I'm looking at purchasing a digital camera, 5 - 6 MP, and looking for 
recommendations, from those with positive experiences, of makes and 
models they'd be prepared to recommend.

Thanks in advance.
Regards,




Canon A410
Worked out of the box with gphoto2 -P

H


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statd not binding to outgoing-port

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

In according to:
http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/security.html#FIREWALLS

one way to force statd to fixed ports is with the -p and -o options.

So I added
STATDOPTS="-p 854 -o 856"
to /etc/init.d/nfs-common.

But checking with:
netstat -tnupl

I get:
...
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:854 0.0.0.0:*
LISTEN 5381/rpc.statd
...
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:854 0.0.0.0:*
   5381/rpc.statd
...

which is only half right.

I found a query about this on the nfs-mailing list:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-nfs&m=103547835112190&w=1

but that got never answered.

Anybody have an answer?

Thanks!

H



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Re: Xorg upgrade troubles

[Michael M.]

Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:


Finally, to all those people, who keep referring unstable for newbies -
situations like this should be kept in mind.

raju

  
I have not recommended Debian's stable branch to people new to Linux for 
a long time, and I don't think I ever would, except as a "just try it to 
get your feet wet" sort-of thing.  I'm talking about people who are 
garden-variety desktop computer users, not people with specialized needs 
or with particular purposes in mind other than finding an alternative to 
Windows.  The simple reason is that the software in Debian stable is too 
old.  People who are already using open source software on Windows -- 
things like Firefox, OpenOffice.org or AbiWord, the GIMP, Thunderbird, 
etc. -- are the people most likely to be curious about Linux in the 
first place.  That's how I came to Linux -- it was a result of my 
gradual realization that open-source software almost always worked 
better than proprietary counterparts, so it was natural to wonder if an 
open-source operation system would also work better.  Those people are 
already using the latest versions and they are used to using the latest 
versions without giving it a second thought, because that's how it works 
in the Windows world.  I can't see myself saying "Yeah, use Linux and 
you'll be back to a version of Firefox you left behind 1 1/2 years ago.  
It's great!"


I would tell people either to try out Debian stable, then install or 
upgrade to testing, or try Ubuntu, depending upon what I know about them 
(how patient they are, whether they enjoy tinkering with their machines 
or not, etc.).  Debian stable has a lot of value and serves many 
important purposes, but being a showcase for a nice up-to-date Linux 
desktop is not one of them.


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Re: newbie question on finding and keeping customized files with dpkg or apt

[Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much)]

Marco Prandini wrote:

[...]
1) I'd like to find which files of a package have been altered with 
respect to the original version, in the same way I did with "rpm -V".

2) I'd like to instruct "apt-get upgrade" to leave them alone



For 2) you can use dpkg-divert to tell dpkg (the low-level packaging 
system) to divert installations of a file from the default location to 
an alternate location. See "man dpkg-divert".


HTH
Sumo



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Re: /dev/mouse disappears during reboot...

[Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much)]

Rainer Dorsch wrote:

Hello,

on a sarge system I created a link

ln -s /dev/psaux /dev/mouse

After reboot it is gone.
[...]


It's probably related to udev. I'd imagine that you can either create a 
udev rule for /dev/mouse or use a boot script to create the link on each 
boot.


Caveat: I'm not very knowledgeable about udev.



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Re: Xorg upgrade troubles

[James Westby]

On (14/04/06 22:24), Rick Friedman wrote:
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> From: Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=7.0 tests=none autolearn=ham 
>   version=3.1.1
> X-Spam-Level: 
> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:24:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: Xorg upgrade troubles
> 
> On Fri April 14 2006 17:07, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
> > I use aliases for all apt jobs. I was thinking I was upgrading. But
> > actually doing dist-upgrade.
> > but for me everything was ok except virtual terminals opening, which
> > is no t happening still, though I have the following in my laptop dell
> > i600m.
> > Option"XkbRules"  "xorg"
> > Option"XkbModel"  "pc104"
> > Option"XkbLayout" "gb"
> 
> This is probably a silly question but are you sure you're looking 
> at /etc/X11/xorg.conf? I had the same problem and made the mistake of 
> changing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
> 
> Make certain that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the one that has those three Option 
> lines.
> 
> Rick
> -- 
> Rick's Law: What cannot be imagined will be accomplished by a fool.

(Apologies for replying to the wrong message.)

What driver are you using for your keyboard? keyboard of kbd? I
switched to kbd and I am able to open virtual terminals (though I
didn't try beforehand). 

James

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Re: statd not binding to outgoing-port

[Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much)]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

In according to:
http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/security.html#FIREWALLS

one way to force statd to fixed ports is with the -p and -o options.

So I added
STATDOPTS="-p 854 -o 856"
to /etc/init.d/nfs-common.
[...]


Did you add that line before the invoking of /etc/default/nfs-common or
after. Perhaps you should examine /etc/default/nfs-common, as that might
be a better place for your settings.

Note: I've never explicitly used rpc.statd or nfs. I just looked at the
scripts on my system.

/etc/init.d/nfs-common has code to invoke /etc/default/nfs-common. 
/etc/default/nfs-common sets STATDOPTS. If you set STATDOPTS before the 
invokation of /etc/default/nfs-common, your settings will be lost.




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Re: Xorg upgrade troubles

[Rick Friedman]

On Fri April 14 2006 17:07, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
> I use aliases for all apt jobs. I was thinking I was upgrading. But
> actually doing dist-upgrade.
> but for me everything was ok except virtual terminals opening, which
> is no t happening still, though I have the following in my laptop dell
> i600m.
> Option"XkbRules"  "xorg"
> Option"XkbModel"  "pc104"
> Option"XkbLayout" "gb"

This is probably a silly question but are you sure you're looking 
at /etc/X11/xorg.conf? I had the same problem and made the mistake of 
changing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.

Make certain that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the one that has those three Option 
lines.

Rick
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pgpAiVB3uGCpo.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: What have I done wrong.

[Felipe Sateler]

mkontakt wrote:
> I have the latest Debian key 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03
> [expires: 2007-02-07] despite this  while upgrading Debian packages
> from the official sites, I got the warning "The following packages cannot
> be authenticated!". Why, should I trust the Debian packages?
Have you imported it correctly (via apt-key)? Have you got other
repositories in your sources.list? Did you apt-get update after importing
the key?
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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Ken Irving]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 01:11:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 09:33:35AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > Huh, look at that. It doesn't show up in any of the attachments
> > > either. Just not there. Good eye Gene.
> > It's there.
> 
> This is not the first time I've seen an argument about whether a 
> specific message had the unsubscribe tag-line appended to it.
> There would seem to be confused mail clients out there that  cut off the 
> signature if there is also a PGP key.  Does anyone know which ones?

IMHO the confused clients must be the ones showing the tag-line. ;-)

I think the pgp thing is a red (pink?) herring; the effect is actually due
to MIME encoding, which pgp messages use, as do other messages. Looking
at my debian list mail, most multipart messages are pgp, others are html,
and a few have just plain text sections.  The unsubscribe tag-line does
not show in my mutt MUA in any of these.  If I add another mime boundary
before the debian tag-line, then it does show up (er, except for the
html ones for some reason...).

I've looked a bit at the SmartList source, but haven't found where/how
this is configured; adding the tag-line, that is.  Per another ressponse
in this thread, if the tagline were to be identified properly as another
multipart section it would probably appear in compliant MUAs.

Hard to say if this would really help for the OP, of course, especially
as there are plenty of non-MIME messages that should show the information.

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Re: irssi & core dumps

[Morten O. Hansen]

On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 17:44 -0500, lostson wrote:
>  Hello 
>  For the past few days irssi keeps dumping core files quite regularly.
> Has anyone encountered a fix for this problem, thanks.
> -- 
> LostSon

Same here, it dumps core every time I quit.

- Morten



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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[James Westby]

On (15/04/06 10:58), David Purton wrote:
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> From: David Purton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:58:13 +0930
> Subject: Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera
> Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 05:42:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 21:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > I am trying to get my Canon S1 IS to work under Debian. I am running a
> > > mixed testing/unstable system (mostly testing, except for libc6,
> > > X.org, udev and linux-image and their dependencies).
> > 
> > Could it be that the S1 IS uses the PTP protocol?
> > 
> 
> It does use PTP and this camera is currently broken with gphoto2. See
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=8874&atid=108874&func=detail&aid=1224783
> 
> You must force the camera to use PTP mode in whatever app you are using.

I tried that workaround and it didn't work.

$ gphoto2 --camera "Canon Powershot S1 IS (PTP mode)" --port=usb\: -L

*** Error ***  
An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB 
device (vendor 0x4a9, product 0x309c). Make sure this device is connected to 
the computer.
*** Error (-2: 'Bad parameters') ***   

For debugging messages, please use the --debug option.
Debugging messages may help finding a solution to your problem.
If you intend to send any error or debug messages to the gphoto
developer mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, please run
gphoto2 as follows:

env LANG=C gphoto2 --debug --camera "Canon Powershot S1 IS (PTP mode)" 
--port=usb: -L

Please make sure there is sufficient quoting around the arguments.

At least the person in the bug report had their camera detected, so I
know I should at least be able to get that far. It's also what makes
me think that I have a problem with my configuration, and it might be
Debian specific.

> 
> I went and bought a card reader...
> 

I might well end up doing that. It also reduces the risk that I catch
the wire and send my camera plummeting to the floor.


James

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Re: newbie question on finding and keeping customized files with dpkg or apt

[Olafur Jens Sigurdsson]

Hi Marco, if it is enough for you to just check for MD5 sums then use
the debsums program, it does that for you.

Cheers

Oli

Þann 2006-04-14, 18:04:03 (+0200) skrifaði Marco Prandini:
> 
> Hello,
> I'm switching to Debian after a long time on RedHat, and I haven't been 
> able to find a couple of functions of the package manager I'd like to 
> use... hoping they exist at all!
> 
> 1) I'd like to find which files of a package have been altered with 
> respect to the original version, in the same way I did with "rpm -V".
> 2) I'd like to instruct "apt-get upgrade" to leave them alone
> 
> That's because I didn't resist the urge to make some customization to my 
> system, and I don't want them to be overwritten by the upgrade procedure.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
>  Marco
> 
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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[James Westby]

On (15/04/06 11:24), John O'Hagan wrote:
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> From: John O'Hagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:24:50 +1000
> Subject: Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera
> 
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:52 am, James Westby wrote:
> 
> >
> > I tried writing a udev rule for the camera
> >
> > BUS="usb", SYSFS{vendor}="Canon Inc.", SYSFS{product}="Canon Digital
> > Camera", NAME="camera%n"
> >
> I think you need to use "==" when you are testing for a condition, and "=" 
> when assigning a value in a udev rule. So in the above example, all the 
> keys above except NAME would take "==".
> 
It looks like that is the normal way, but it seems like it doesn't
matter either way. Other rules I had written have = but they work. 

I gave it a go anyway, but it made no difference. Thanks for the
suggestion. 


> Worth a try...
> 
Indeed.


James

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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[David Purton]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 05:42:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 21:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I am trying to get my Canon S1 IS to work under Debian. I am running a
> > mixed testing/unstable system (mostly testing, except for libc6,
> > X.org, udev and linux-image and their dependencies).
> > 
> [snip]
> > snd_page_alloc  8328  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
> > snd_util_mem3392  1 snd_emu10k1
> > 8139too21632  0 
> > i2c_viapro  7316  0 
> > snd_hwdep   7236  1 snd_emu10k1
> > snd45312  14 
> > snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep
> 
> Could it be that the S1 IS uses the PTP protocol?
> 


It does use PTP and this camera is currently broken with gphoto2. See

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=8874&atid=108874&func=detail&aid=1224783

You must force the camera to use PTP mode in whatever app you are using.

I went and bought a card reader...


cheers

dc

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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[John O'Hagan]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:52 am, James Westby wrote:

>
> I tried writing a udev rule for the camera
>
> BUS="usb", SYSFS{vendor}="Canon Inc.", SYSFS{product}="Canon Digital
> Camera", NAME="camera%n"
>
> but this has no effect. I have neither /dev/sd* nor /dev/camera* with
> or without this rule.
>
I think you need to use "==" when you are testing for a condition, and "=" 
when assigning a value in a udev rule. So in the above example, all the keys 
above except NAME would take "==".

Worth a try...

John


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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[hendrik]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 09:33:35AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > Huh, look at that. It doesn't show up in any of the attachments
> > either. Just not there. Good eye Gene.
> 
> Not true, here's the unsub instructions from the message I am replying to:
> 
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> 
> It's there.

This is not the first time I've seen an argument about whether a 
specific message had the unsubscribe tag-line appended to it.
There would seem to be confused mail clients out there that  cut off the 
signature if there is also a PGP key.  Does anyone know which ones?

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Re: Upgrading from Ubuntu to Debian

[Jhair Tocancipa Triana]

Chris Dunn writes:

> I'm coming to Debian via Ubuntu.
> Ubuntu (Breezy Badger) mightily impressed me after struggling for
> several years and never quite succeeding with Slackware.

> I'd now like to remove the fluff, and get to the underlying Debian
> basics.

> Is there any established method for moving from Ubuntu to Debian Testing
> without doing a complete new installation of Debian?

I use Ubuntu and Debian (testing) on my laptop, the Debian install was
done through debootstrap.

Take a look at

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en

for details.

This requires a new installation of Debian accessible through the
chroot (I cannot think of a way to move from Ubuntu to Debian without
a new installation of Debian).

HTH,

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Re: Xorg upgrade troubles

[David R. Litwin]

Raju: > Finally, to all those people, who keep referring unstable for newbies -
> situations like this should be kept in mind. Mark Crean: Don't worry. With the kind of  attitude on display among some of the regular
Debian-fanciers who post here, I should imagine these "newbies" will beheading for Ubuntu; don't you think so? It's quite revealing that the new DPLhas suggested cleaned-up releases of testing from time to time, which kind of
suggests that the more practical-minded folks know full well that in practicemany desktop users will be heading for unstable or testing. Repeating themantra of "stable, stable" when it quite obviously isn't credible to a
sizeable chunk of your users is really a waste of time.Thank The Light! some one finally had the moxie to say this (and very well too).I will refrain from saying more.
-- —A watched bread-crumb never boils.—My hover-craft is full of eels.—[...]and that's the he and the she of it.

Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Ken Irving]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 07:33:58PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Apr 14, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Ken Irving wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 04:04:53PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >>[...snip...]
> >>Taking a brief look at the specs, but not enough to grok them:
> >>I suspect that the problem is that the notice is tacked on _after_
> >>the attachments---essentially turning the notice into an "epilog''
> >> without a content-type rather than either:
> >>(a) placing it within the first text part; or
> >>(b) attaching it as a well-formed part.
> >>
> >>Since it's an ill-formed part, it's properly ignored.
> >
> >Good analysis!  rfc2046 seems to supersede 1341, but says the
> >same thing wrt epilog(ue) parts, including:
> >
> >   The boundary delimiter line following the last body part ...
> >   indicates that no further body parts will follow. ...
> >
> >Presumably clients that do show the unsub sig are not RFC compliant,
> >and the ones that are "failing to show it" are compliant.
> >
> >>[...snip...]
> 
> ...for rfc2046 messages.  My understanding is that all MUAs should  
> show the trailer when handling unencapsulated rfc822 messages.

IANAL, nor particularly versed in RFCs, but it looks to me like RFC
2046 and neighbors (in several parts) lay out the recommendations for
MIME messages.  The debian "unsubscribe sig" does appear on non-MIME
messages (non-rfc2046?) on my MUA (mutt), but are correctly not shown
in MIME encoded ones since they fall into the epilogue section.  I 
can't find anything relevant on "unencapsulated rfc822"; can you 
provide any references?

Ken

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Re: Posting to d-u with gmail smtp

[Rob Bochan]

On Friday 14 April 2006 11:50, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> ...
> Anyone found a workaround for this? My only idea is to use two separate
> accounts, one for posting and one for receiving, but I want to use this
> only as a last resort...
>

I see the same effect here, but I've worked around it, because the ISP I use 
isn't the smartest. My ISP allows anyone with one of their IP addresses use 
their SMTP servers with no authentication other than having an IP they own. 
Perhaps your ISP can do something similar?

Hence, I'm able to send messages independent of gmail. I also set my address 
showing as the Debian-user mailing list, which has eliminated the obligatory 
CC'ing. 

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Re: newbie question on finding and keeping customized files with dpkg or apt

[James Westby]

On (14/04/06 18:04), Marco Prandini wrote:
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Cc: Marco Prandini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: Marco Prandini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:04:03 +0200
> Subject: newbie question on finding and keeping customized files with dpkg
>  or apt
> 
> 
> Hello,
> I'm switching to Debian after a long time on RedHat, and I haven't been 
> able to find a couple of functions of the package manager I'd like to 
> use... hoping they exist at all!
> 
> 1) I'd like to find which files of a package have been altered with 
> respect to the original version, in the same way I did with "rpm -V".

I don't know of this function but it could well be in there somewhere.

> 2) I'd like to instruct "apt-get upgrade" to leave them alone
> 
> That's because I didn't resist the urge to make some customization to my 
> system, and I don't want them to be overwritten by the upgrade procedure.
> 

If the maintainer has them marked as a config file (and they should
have) then apt won't overwrite them, and it will tell you when the
new package changes this file and ask you what to do. You can keep
your own version with the new package version saved along side for
reference, you can overwrite your version, or you can view a diff of
the two then pause apt and make any changes you want. IMO a very good
system. 

This won't work for non-config files though, so if you are planning to
do some hacking then need to find a different method (e.g. making your
own versions of packages (v.easy))

James

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Fwd: Re: lyx-common 1.3.4-2 file has got a loop hole

[formless void]

Thanks for the help, Kevin

I'm using Xandros Network to install the .deb file. 
The beauty of the utility is that after each
installation, the program updates the detail of the
package database which is extremely ordered.

Can Synaptic, aptitude do the same thing?  Are these
two programs using the same principle as Xandros
Network do to install the packages?  I mean Xandros
Network do installation following a program written
guidelines   Debian Law :-)

Note: forwarded message attached.


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formless void wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that this file is buggy?
> 
> I'm using Xandros desktop and have tried to install it
> onto my system.  However, it asks for lyx-qt and
> lyx-xforms.  When I tried to install the lyx-qt and
> lyx-xforms, they were asking for lyx-common.
> 
> I have noticed that when lyx-common asked for lyx-qt
> and lyx-xforms, it did not ask for version numbers
> which are unusual

What program are you trying to install lyx-common with?

If you are using Synaptic, aptitude, apt-get, or another APT front end,
try installing one of lyx-qt or lyx-xforms, and lyx-common should get
pulled in automatically.

If you are using dpkg, you will need to tell it to install two of the
.deb files at once:

dpkg -i lyx-common*.deb lyx-qt*.deb (if you want the Qt interface)
dpkg -i lyx-common*.deb lyx-xforms*.deb ("   "" xforms interface)

It is highly recommended that you use some APT front-end, not try to
install things with dpkg.  Dpkg is a very low-level tool and not really
suited for package management by itself.

To answer the only question that you explicitly asked :-) you're correct
that circular dependencies are usually considered to be a packaging bug.
 This one has already been reported at http://bugs.debian.org/341848
although it has not yet been fixed.  If you have this kind of problem
with other packages in the future, consider filing a similar bug report.

P.S.  Since you are using Xandros, you should probably go through their
help forums first, not Debian's.

regards,

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newbie question on finding and keeping customized files with dpkg or apt

[Marco Prandini]

Hello,
I'm switching to Debian after a long time on RedHat, and I haven't been 
able to find a couple of functions of the package manager I'd like to 
use... hoping they exist at all!


1) I'd like to find which files of a package have been altered with 
respect to the original version, in the same way I did with "rpm -V".

2) I'd like to instruct "apt-get upgrade" to leave them alone

That's because I didn't resist the urge to make some customization to my 
system, and I don't want them to be overwritten by the upgrade procedure.


Thanks a lot!
Marco


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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[James Westby]

On (14/04/06 18:52), Ron Johnson wrote:
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:52:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera
> 
[snip]
> 
> Hmmm.  Which version of libusb-0.1-4, usbutils & usbview are you
> using?
> 
ii  libusb-0.1-4   0.1.11-4   userspace USB programming library
ii  usbutils   0.71+cvs200510 USB console utilities
ii  usbview1.0-7  USB device viewer

So i hit aptitude and now I've got

ii  gphoto22.1.6-3The gphoto2 digital camera
command-line clie
ii  libgphoto2-2   2.1.6-8gphoto2 digital camera library
ii  libgphoto2-por 2.1.6-8gphoto2 digital camera port library
ii  libusb-0.1-4   0.1.12-2   userspace USB programming library
ii  usbutils   0.71+cvs200510 USB console utilities
ii  usbview1.0-7  USB device viewer

but this makes no difference, and I can't see any difference in the
debug output apart from the version numbers. 

Does gphoto work with device nodes, mounted file systems or the raw
bus?

Thanks,

James 

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Re: Xorg upgrade troubles

[Mark Crean]

On Friday 14 April 2006 22:18, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
[snip]

> Finally, to all those people, who keep referring unstable for newbies -
> situations like this should be kept in mind.
>
> raju

Don't worry. With the kind of  attitude on display among some of the regular 
Debian-fanciers who post here, I should imagine these "newbies" will be 
heading for Ubuntu; don't you think so? It's quite revealing that the new DPL 
has suggested cleaned-up releases of testing from time to time, which kind of 
suggests that the more practical-minded folks know full well that in practice 
many desktop users will be heading for unstable or testing. Repeating the 
mantra of "stable, stable" when it quite obviously isn't credible to a 
sizeable chunk of your users is really a waste of time.

"Newbies" is also a rather patronising term. This isn't a cult.

:)

Fish




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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 23:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> On (14/04/06 17:42), Ron Johnson wrote:
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=7.0 tests=none autolearn=ham 
> > version=3.1.1
> > X-Spam-Level: 
> > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:42:52 -0500
> > Subject: Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera
> > 
> > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 21:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > I am trying to get my Canon S1 IS to work under Debian. I am running a
> > > mixed testing/unstable system (mostly testing, except for libc6,
> > > X.org, udev and linux-image and their dependencies).
> > > 
> [snip] 
> > Could it be that the S1 IS uses the PTP protocol?
> > 
> I've read that it does. Does this mean that I have to do something
> differently? gphoto2 says that it supports
> 
>  "Canon PowerShot S1 IS (normal mode)"
>  "Canon PowerShot S1 IS (PTP mode)"
>  
> 
> > As root, this would be helpful too:
> > # LANG=C gphoto2 --debug --auto-detect
> > 
> > *Attach* the output, or, better yet, upload the file to a web server.
> >
> 
> http://jameswestby.net/autodetect.txt
> 
> I have this from udevinfo. This combination is checked by gphoto2, but
> it reports that no device is detected.
> 
> SYSFS{idProduct}=="309c"
> SYSFS{idVendor}=="04a9"

Hmmm.  Which version of libusb-0.1-4, usbutils & usbview are you
using?

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Re: exim4 smtp tls/ssl question

[Stephen]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:16:36 +0200, Lubos Vrbka in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:

>hi guys,

>i want to setup the exim on my machine to trasnsfer all outgoing mail to
> a smarthost client only - i'd like to try mutt and since it (according
>to docs) doesn't do smtp, i need mta.

That's what I use as well. Mutt is an excellent choice.

>i dpkg-reconfigured exim4-config and selected the option 'mail sent by
>smarthost; no local mail' because it's exactly what i need, i think.

Not so sure about that. Wouldn't local mail be stuff sent to the root
account etc. ? In any event I don't think it'll hurt to enable this
option, as I have it enabled in my Exim4 configuration -- I'm using
smarthost as well.

>now, i'd like exim4 to use ssl when logging to the smarthost to avoid
>sending password in plaintext.  i put relevant information to
>/etc/exim4/passwd.client.

>then i tried to send a message to one of my mail addresses. it was
>delivered correctly, however i'm not sure whether it used TLS or not.

>the transcript of the 'session' is given below:



>i can see the command STARTTLS, but was it really used? also, i recall
>that for TLS transactions port 465 should be used, shouldn't it?

Not sure. Is the e-mail actually being sent ? Does your smarthost
have a web front end to view e-mails ?


>if i'm wrong what else i need to supply? many pages mention adding
>cert/key files and some tls-related switches to the config but it seems
>to be related to the situation when exim4 acts as the smtp server...
>(and that's not my situation).

I've sent mine up to send via GMail as smarthost. You're asking Exim4 to
be a smtp server BTW.

>i'd be glad for any hints.

See above. Enable local delivery and to see if it makes a difference.

I'm not exactly sure what your problem is; Are you saying it doesn't
work or that you're not sure if it's working ?



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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Rich Johnson]

On Apr 14, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 04:04:53PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote:


On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:


Doofus wrote:

Since one of the points of this thread seems to be to highlight the
incidences of people blithely advising "do as it says at the
bottom of
the post" to other people who evidently can't see anything at the
bottom



Especially
when the kind of person incapable of unsubscribing from a mailing
list
is unlikely to even know what you're talking about when you tell
them to
view the raw message.


Taking a brief look at the specs, but not enough to grok them:
I suspect that the problem is that the notice is tacked on _after_
the attachments---essentially turning the notice into an "epilog''
 without a content-type rather than either:
(a) placing it within the first text part; or
(b) attaching it as a well-formed part.

Since it's an ill-formed part, it's properly ignored.

Bottom line: I suspect the problem lies with the mechanism used to
append the message.




The above sums it up nicely, IMHO. To wit:

We get a lot of annoying mail from people who can't figure out how to
unsubscribe from the list. Although there is clear information
appended to every message describing how to unsubscribe, that
information is not reliably displayed in every message due to a
variety of factors. Perhaps a better method of providing the
unsubscribe instructions would be in order. I suggest a fully formed
text attachment entitled: Debian-user Subscription Instructions or
something to that effect. And as a matter of being a friendly list, we
should make better efforts to provide clear unsubscribe instructions
in recognition of the fact that some people just won't see them
otherwise.


...taking care that unencapsulated body text (old-school rfc822  
messages) is encapsulated...right?



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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Rich Johnson]

On Apr 14, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Ken Irving wrote:


On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 04:04:53PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote:


[...snip...]
Taking a brief look at the specs, but not enough to grok them:
I suspect that the problem is that the notice is tacked on _after_
the attachments---essentially turning the notice into an "epilog''
 without a content-type rather than either:
(a) placing it within the first text part; or
(b) attaching it as a well-formed part.

Since it's an ill-formed part, it's properly ignored.


Good analysis!  rfc2046 seems to supersede 1341, but says the
same thing wrt epilog(ue) parts, including:

   The boundary delimiter line following the last body part ...
   indicates that no further body parts will follow. ...

Presumably clients that do show the unsub sig are not RFC compliant,
and the ones that are "failing to show it" are compliant.


[...snip...]


...for rfc2046 messages.  My understanding is that all MUAs should  
show the trailer when handling unencapsulated rfc822 messages.





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Gimp and Wacom freezes X.Org.

[Jan Brons]

Hi all,I am having trouble with my Wacom Graphire3 when using Gimp.As soon as I start drawing X.Org freezes. The mouse cursor and the Wacom pointer still move but X is hard frozen. I can only do a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart X.
If I use Gsumi and the Wacom there is no problem. As Gsumi uses Gtk1.2 and Gimp Gtk2.0 I have a feeling it has something to do with Gtk2.0.Has anyone ever experienced this or have a suggestion?Package: gimp
Status: install ok installedPriority: optionalSection: graphicsInstalled-Size: 8824Maintainer: Ari Pollak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Architecture: amd64Version: 2.2.10-2
Replaces: gimp1.2 (<< 1.2.5-1), gimp1.3, gimp-nonfree, gimp-data (<< 2.0.2-4)Provides: gimp2.0, gimp-nonfreeDepends: wget, gimp-data (= 2.2.10-2), libaa1 (>= 1.2), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk
1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libexif12, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.7), libgimp2.0 (>= 2.2.0+rel), libglib2.0-0 (>= 
2.8.5), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libice6, libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libmng1 (>= 1.0.3-1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.10.2), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libsm6, libtiff4, libwmf0.2-7 (>= 
0.2.8.3), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxi6, libxinerama1, libxmu6, libxpm4, libxrandr2, libxrender1 (>= 1:0.9.0.2), libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)Recommends: gimp-svg, gimp-print
Suggests: gimp-help-en | gimp-help, gimp-python, libgimp-perl, gimp-data-extras, libasound2 (>= 1.0.0)Conflicts: gimp1.2 (<< 1.2.5-1), gimp1.3, gimp-nonfree, gimp-data (<< 2.0.2-4), libgimp2
.0 (>= 2.3.0)Description: The GNU Image Manipulation Program The GIMP lets you draw, paint, edit images, and much more! GIMP includes the functionality and plug-ins of other famous image editing and processing programs.
Thanks in advance,Jan 

Re: Cameras.

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Katipo wrote:

Hello,

I'm looking at purchasing a digital camera, 5 - 6 MP, and looking for 
recommendations, from those with positive experiences, of makes and 
models they'd be prepared to recommend.

Thanks in advance.
Regards,




Canon A410
Worked out of the box with gphoto2 -P

H


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Re: Re: Adaptec 2940 UW

[vatch23]

hi, I`ve got an 2940UW in my sytem , but I cant boot Debian from it ,
the installation goes perfect, everything is recognized, but reboot ,
no-no-no! Can anyone help me 


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Re: Cameras.

[Stephen]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:54:12 +0100, Clive Menzies in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
>On (14/04/06 19:12), Katipo wrote:
>> I'm looking at purchasing a digital camera, 5 - 6 MP, and looking for 
>> recommendations, from those with positive experiences, of makes and 
>> models they'd be prepared to recommend.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Regards,

>We got dimage Z1 a while back which is OK but has an annoying shutter
>delay and the mechanism jammed a while back - just out of warranty and
>cost c GBP70 to repair ... disappointing to say the least.

>My daughter's got a Fuji Finepix F11 6.3 Mpixel which she's very pleased
>with; it's small and takes really good photos.

I second the recommendation of the Fujii Finepix line -- Damn good
photos for a consumer package at a good price point and small size.

I managed to get a FinePix A345 for $199 CDN and they threw in a 64MB
card for free.


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Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?

[hendrik]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 09:18:07AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 13:12 +0100, Doofus wrote:
> > Pubs these days (British ones, anyway) are brimming with people who'd 
> > say "bush" and "blair" are synonymous with "moron", and I also find that 
> > to be the case in general, worldwide. I can't speak with experience 
> > about the region east of Idaho and west of Ohio though, which I'd guess 
> > holds a different average view on this issue, but then I don't suppose 
> > that region is awash with debian users either.
> 
> So, "User Of Debian" implies "I think GWB is an idiot"?

It wouldn't surprise me if some users of Debian were idiots, too.

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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[James Westby]

On (14/04/06 17:42), Ron Johnson wrote:
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=7.0 tests=none autolearn=ham 
>   version=3.1.1
> X-Spam-Level: 
> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:42:52 -0500
> Subject: Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera
> 
> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 21:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I am trying to get my Canon S1 IS to work under Debian. I am running a
> > mixed testing/unstable system (mostly testing, except for libc6,
> > X.org, udev and linux-image and their dependencies).
> > 
[snip] 
> Could it be that the S1 IS uses the PTP protocol?
> 
I've read that it does. Does this mean that I have to do something
differently? gphoto2 says that it supports

 "Canon PowerShot S1 IS (normal mode)"
 "Canon PowerShot S1 IS (PTP mode)"
 

> As root, this would be helpful too:
> # LANG=C gphoto2 --debug --auto-detect
> 
> *Attach* the output, or, better yet, upload the file to a web server.
>

http://jameswestby.net/autodetect.txt

I have this from udevinfo. This combination is checked by gphoto2, but
it reports that no device is detected.

SYSFS{idProduct}=="309c"
SYSFS{idVendor}=="04a9"

Thanks,

James


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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 14 April 2006 16:06, Doofus wrote:
>Steve Lamb wrote:
>>Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>>But your message doesn't have it!
>>
>>Yes it does.  Please stop spreading misinformation.
>
>It isn't shown by this Thunderbird client. Not unless you hit Ctrl-U
> and bash through the source.
>
>Since one of the points of this thread seems to be to highlight the
>incidences of people blithely advising "do as it says at the bottom of
>the post" to other people who evidently can't see anything at the
> bottom of the post, then to argue "oh yes it is there as long as you
> know which spells and incantations to cast in order to see it" seems
> to me to be unfairly bogging down  the novice with unhelpful
> pedantics. Especially when the kind of person incapable of
> unsubscribing from a mailing list is unlikely to even know what
> you're talking about when you tell them to view the raw message.


Amen, couldn't have said it better, so I won't.
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'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
stupid bounce rules.  I do use spamassassin too. :-)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 14 April 2006 15:23, Steve Lamb wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> No it doesn't Steve.  If the message is a signed message such as you
>> are posting, that extra append by the mailing list server isn't
>> there.
>
>Yes it is, Gene.  Just because the email client does not display
> it does not mean it isn't there.  Those are two different conditions.
>  If your email client failed to show the DATE field would you say it
> wasn't there even though it is required by RFC2821 to be present and
> every MTA adds it if it is missing?  No.  You'd say the email client
> failed to show it.

Ok, I found a pulldown that said view source, and you are correct, it is 
indeed there.  But kmail apparently doesn't switch display modes back 
to at least show it in the footer list window after doing whatever it 
does to prevent me from reading your pgp key.  I don't use pgp here, 
and have only used pgp maybe 10 times in more years than that.  I used 
it a few times to make a protest statement about Phil rotting away in a 
federal jail when he was.

Civil disobediance I think they call that...

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irssi & core dumps

[lostson]

 Hello 
 For the past few days irssi keeps dumping core files quite regularly.
Has anyone encountered a fix for this problem, thanks.
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Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 21:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am trying to get my Canon S1 IS to work under Debian. I am running a
> mixed testing/unstable system (mostly testing, except for libc6,
> X.org, udev and linux-image and their dependencies).
> 
[snip]
> snd_page_alloc  8328  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
> snd_util_mem3392  1 snd_emu10k1
> 8139too21632  0 
> i2c_viapro  7316  0 
> snd_hwdep   7236  1 snd_emu10k1
> snd45312  14 
> snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep

Could it be that the S1 IS uses the PTP protocol?

As root, this would be helpful too:
# LANG=C gphoto2 --debug --auto-detect

*Attach* the output, or, better yet, upload the file to a web server.

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Problems installing Debian on old laptop

[Piers Kittel]

Hello all,

Am trying to install Debian on a fairly old laptop (manufactured 1998), 
as I've broken my old one (flying hard drives and laptop LCD's doesn't 
mix well together) and can't afford a new one right now. The laptop is a 
Pico Systems (long since gone out of business - good riddance) 
Silvernote with the following spec:


Mobile P1 MMX 233MHz (I have a P2 233MHz processor that fits but the 
case/processor fan has failed, so have gone back to old CPU to prevent 
overheating)

192 MB RAM upgraded from 128MB (maxed out)
40GB IBM Travelstar hard drive (upgraded from 3GB) dated Dec 2002
430TX chipset
PIIX4 southbridge
NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD video chipset
Latest possible BIOS (either 8th March 1999 or 3rd August 1999)

I've tried Knoppix 3.8.1 and it works perfectly fine (if a bit slow). 
I've installed Windows 2000 on it and it works perfectly fine.  When 
trying to boot Debian (using the 3.1 r0 netboot CD) to install, it won't 
work at all:


==
Booting from CD-ROM

ISOLINUX 2.04 2003-04-16 Copyright (C) 1994-2003 H. Peter Anvin

Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot:
Loading /install/vmlinuz..
Loading /install/initrd.gz..
Ready.
==

and at this point it crashes completely.  Pressing ctrl_alt+del works 
fine though.  I've tried the CD-ROM in my broken laptop and it boots up 
fine, and I've tried a few Debian install CD-ROMs in the laptop and same 
problem.


I tried booting Ubuntu (as a test, I much prefer to use Debian on such 
an old laptop) and it works fine, and I was able to install Ubuntu 
successfully on the laptop but when I reboot for the first time, GRUB 
crashes when loading itself (i.e. before displaying the kernel list)


I just found out right now if I remove the hard drive and try the 
install CD, it works perfectly fine.  Strange!


The hard drive is laid out as follows:

/dev/hda1 9.8gb windows
/dev/hda2 27GB linux
/dev/hda3 361MB (I assume swap - Ubuntu chose the partitions)

with no more free space or partitions anywhere.

So what am I doing wrong and how do I fix this problem please?

Thanks very much for your help in advance!

Regards - Piers


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Re: amd64: why is sizeof(int) =4? why not =8?

[hendrik]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:42:37PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Mitchell Laks wrote:
> >On Wednesday 05 April 2006 15:16, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >
> >
> >>This program has defects. The type of the results of
> >>the sizeof operator is an unsigned integer of unspecified
> >>size. The only portable way to do this is...
> >>
> >>printf("Size of int is %lu\n",(unsigned long)sizeof(int));
> >>
> >
> >
> >Why do I have cast something from size_t? I see the construct I used in 
> >"C a reference Manual" by Harbisson and Steele p148.
> 
> Well, it is defective. The C Standard simply states that the
> type returned by the sizeof operator is an unsigned integer
> type, but which one is implementation dependent. Since you
> don't know whether it be an unsigned short int, or an
> unsigned long int, you have to cast, because they have

If it turns our to have been unsigned long long, have you possibly just 
truncated it? (Not that I really expect sizeof(int) to be greater than, 
say, 128 for the foreseeable future.)

> (potentially) different formats, and definitely different
> format specifiers. In any case, the use of "%d" which
> specifies a signed integer conversion is just wrong,
> since sizeof returns an unsigned integer type.
> 
> 
> >I am not a c expert - and I dont understand why you do the cast.
> 
> Everybody is ignorant, just about different things.[*]
> Well, I just gave you the explanation.
> 
> >Do you have an example of a compiler where the length of sizeof(int) is 
> >greater than size_t ? 
> 
> Umm, it's likely to be the other way around. In any case, using
> a signed integer conversion format specifier with an unsigned
> integer type is wrong.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> * Will Rogers
> 
> Mike
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> This message made from 100% recycled bits.
> You have found the bank of Larn.
> I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.
> I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Ken Irving]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 04:04:53PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> >Point is that there is a different condition between it being there and
> >the client failing to show it.  How?  Because if it wasn't there NO* client
> >would show it.  Just because one, or a few, clients don't show it doesn't 
> >mean
> >all don't show it.  It's called being precise in reporting problems.
> >
> >-- 
> > Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink,  
> >I'm your
> >   PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   | main connection to the switchboard  
> >of souls.
> >--- 
> >+-
>  I'm using a different reader altogether and I sometimes see the  
> unsubscribe annotation and sometimes I don't.
> The difference correlates perfectly with whether the message is  
> multipart mime(rfc1341), or not.--it does not appear whenever the  
> sender mails a multi-part message.  For example you _WON'T_ see it  
> with Steve's messages as illustrated above; you _WILL_ see it with  
> this message (I hope).
> 
> Taking a brief look at the specs, but not enough to grok them:
> I suspect that the problem is that the notice is tacked on _after_   
> the attachments---essentially turning the notice into an "epilog''  
>  without a content-type rather than either:
> (a) placing it within the first text part; or
> (b) attaching it as a well-formed part.
> 
> Since it's an ill-formed part, it's properly ignored.

Good analysis!  rfc2046 seems to supersede 1341, but says the
same thing wrt epilog(ue) parts, including:

   The boundary delimiter line following the last body part ...
   indicates that no further body parts will follow. ...

Presumably clients that do show the unsub sig are not RFC compliant,
and the ones that are "failing to show it" are compliant.  

> Bottom line: I suspect the problem lies with the mechanism used to  
> append the message.

Makes sense to me.

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Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?

[John Hasler]

Doofus writes:
> I can't speak with experience about the region east of Idaho and west of
> Ohio though...

This is very clear.
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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[hendrik]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 01:51:00AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 02:54:31PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 12 April 2006 12:41, Barbara Oncay wrote:
> > > I have been trying to unsubscribe with no success.
> > > I have sent more than 10 e-mails with no response.
> > > I have used the cancel link but it only sends me to a link where I am
> > > directed to subscribe to a link. TELLL ME HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE OR I WILL
> > > CONTACT THE FCC.  There are others who can't seem to unsubscribe.
> > 
> > Follow the instructions at the end of every list message, including this 
> > one.  
> > Also, don't threaten people who have the means to find out where you work 
> > and 
> > publicize your stupidity in the international press.
> > 
> Hi D-u regulars,
> this may be a new candidate for 'Tuttle,Ok' page on wikipedia.org x-) 

Found it at 'Tuttle Ok'

> 2 'Tuttle's is one year!
> cheers,
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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 04:04:53PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> >Doofus wrote:
> >>Since one of the points of this thread seems to be to highlight the
> >>incidences of people blithely advising "do as it says at the  
> >>bottom of
> >>the post" to other people who evidently can't see anything at the  
> >>bottom

> >>Especially
> >>when the kind of person incapable of unsubscribing from a mailing  
> >>list
> >>is unlikely to even know what you're talking about when you tell  
> >>them to
> >>view the raw message.
> 
> Taking a brief look at the specs, but not enough to grok them:
> I suspect that the problem is that the notice is tacked on _after_   
> the attachments---essentially turning the notice into an "epilog''  
>  without a content-type rather than either:
> (a) placing it within the first text part; or
> (b) attaching it as a well-formed part.
> 
> Since it's an ill-formed part, it's properly ignored.
> 
> Bottom line: I suspect the problem lies with the mechanism used to  
> append the message.
> 


The above sums it up nicely, IMHO. To wit:

We get a lot of annoying mail from people who can't figure out how to
unsubscribe from the list. Although there is clear information
appended to every message describing how to unsubscribe, that
information is not reliably displayed in every message due to a
variety of factors. Perhaps a better method of providing the
unsubscribe instructions would be in order. I suggest a fully formed
text attachment entitled: Debian-user Subscription Instructions or
something to that effect. And as a matter of being a friendly list, we
should make better efforts to provide clear unsubscribe instructions
in recognition of the fact that some people just won't see them
otherwise. 

A


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Re: Debian, X and ATI Radeon X1300

[Luis R Finotti]

Vitaliy Ischenko wrote:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=414 



*ATI v8.23.7 Display Drivers*

Yet again ATI continues in their monthly ritual of releasing new
Linux display drivers that are accompanied by the release of their
usual Windows CATALYST suspect. The candidate taking center stage
today is v6.3 for Windows CATALYST, while the Linux version making
its presence known is v8.23.7. _*While *__*no*__* X1000*_ series
support has been added in this March release, there are a handful of
prominent changes that many Linux ATI ...


В Пнд, 10/04/2006 в 11:11 +0100, Peter Karlsson пишет:


Hi!

The graphics card in my Debian machine died a couple of weeks ago, and
I had to buy a new one. I ended up with a ATI Radeon X1300, since I
have had good experiences with ATI cards and Debian before.

[snip]

FYI, a new driver has been made available (or so it seems).  Check:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=442&num=1

or

https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27

HTH,

Luis


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fetchmail + multidrop tipical problem

[pedro lopez]

hi list.

i use fetchmail with a multidrop acount, but my ISP,
do not write any X-Develope line, not X-Original-To:,
X-Envelope-To,Delivered-To.

my porblen is only wiht one type of email, if dont
have a To: valid user local domain.

this is a part  of headers of mail

Received: from server2(server2[1.1.1.1])
by server1(8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id k3EMwrP01244
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:58:53
-0400 (CDT)
(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED])

i can use the Received for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> line
for envelope option on fetchmail?



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/dev/mouse disappears during reboot...

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hello,

on a sarge system I created a link

ln -s /dev/psaux /dev/mouse

After reboot it is gone.

Does anybody know, who deletes the link and why?

Thanks,
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Re: Cameras.

[chris roddy]

Mitja Podreka wrote:
> I have long and pleasing experience with Canon PowerShot A60/70/80
> series and all I can say that they are very good cameras, with lots of
> functions and functionalities. The good point of Canon is that they
> know how to make high-end professional cameras and they are using
> their knowledge also in the compact cameras. This is probably true
> also for Nikon cameras, but I have no experiences with their digital
> models. Lately I've started to use PowerShot G6. Excelent, top-end
> compact camera, but it might just be outside your price range. 

Agreed. I have a Canon PowerShot A610 and it's a great camera for my
needs (which are a combination of auto-exposed snapshots and manual
exposures). It worked immediately with gphoto2 (and gthumb and gtkam),
although not yet with f-spot.

My AT-1, though, still won't work with Debian. I can't seem to find a
USB port on it anywhere...


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Re: Xorg upgrade troubles

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

On Thursday 13 April 2006 07:36, ?á?ek Kry?tof wrote:
> I agree, but only partially.
>
> look - STABLE is too outdated for desktop, TESTING is often broken more
> than unstable (mainly missing dependancies or completely missing apps (e.g.
> K3b was absent from testing for many months!)). SID appears to be the best
> choice for Debian desktop (regardless to what official policy states) and
> as such it is chosen by many.

It does not matter what your reasons for running unstable are. But unstable is
what it is - unstable. Problems like these always come up. If you are not
happy with problems arising due to the nature of unstable, please use Stable.
period.

Just because someone is running unstable for 1 year without any problems, does
not guarantee that it will not have any problems in the next year. Problems
can arise on ANY given day.

Finally, to all those people, who keep referring unstable for newbies -
situations like this should be kept in mind.

raju

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Re: Xorg upgrade troubles

[L . V . Gandhi]

On 4/13/06, S. M. Ibrahim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry for this post. I tell  him (L.V.Gandhi) to make dist-upgrade now, as i
> found that, at the first upgrade you may not get xserver-xorg 7.1 . I tested
> this on one of my pc. After that, when i make apt-get update and check the
> cache policy of xserver-xorg , i found 7.1 version is waiting  for upgrade.

I use aliases for all apt jobs. I was thinking I was upgrading. But
actually doing dist-upgrade.
but for me everything was ok except virtual terminals opening, which
is no t happening still, though I have the following in my laptop dell
i600m.
Option"XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option"XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option"XkbLayout" "gb"


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Re: Cameras.

[Jesus Arocho]

I purchased a Nikon D50 this past December.  We have been very happy with the 
unit unit.  The camera was recognized by kde and debian.  I also modified 
some scripts available on the net for the D70 to automate some of the chores, 
such as downloads and conversion to jpg.

On Friday 14 April 2006 07:12, Katipo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm looking at purchasing a digital camera, 5 - 6 MP, and looking for
> recommendations, from those with positive experiences, of makes and
> models they'd be prepared to recommend.
> Thanks in advance.
> Regards,


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Re: Screen resolution problem / unstable

[Steve Sheldon]

Hi,
I daren't go to the KDE desktop settings here as it will go directly to
800 x 600 max .. grin
Meanwhile though I have an Athlon 64 3000, 1Gb ram, and a Siluro GF4 MX-8X
E-Bios V4.18.20.15.0 (c)1996-2000 Nvidia 64Mb Card.
Oddly I havent had this problem before, but whether that is due to Fedora
and SuSe being more plug and play .. I have considered maybe downloading
the NVidia bios update util, but I know that if I do that and update the
kernel I need to get the source code and re-patch the kernel.
My only other thought (bearing in mind I am a newbie at Debian) is maybe
there is some tweaking I can do in the X server config?
I appreciate your help.
Regards
Steve Sheldon

> On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 09:56:26AM +0100, Steve Sheldon wrote:
>> Where my screen resolution has always been stable under SuSE or Fedora,
>> it
>> doesnt appear to be with Debian.
>
> Do you recall if you also used the nv driver on SuSE/Fedora, or did you
> use nvidia or something else?
>
> Also, it would probably be helpful to know what specific video card you
> have.
>
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SCSI emulation of USB camera

[James Westby]

Hi all,

I am trying to get my Canon S1 IS to work under Debian. I am running a
mixed testing/unstable system (mostly testing, except for libc6,
X.org, udev and linux-image and their dependencies).

It appears to me that there is some problem with SCSI emulation of my
camera. I insert the camera and /var/log/messages reports

Apr 14 21:26:25 loser kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using
uhci_hcd and address 3
Apr 14 21:26:26 loser kernel: usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1
choice

but no SCSI information after like I get with other USB devices. lsusb
shows nothing informative, but usbview correctly shows my camera
suggested. I found a bug report filed against the kernel that
suggested having ehci_hcd loaded might cause problems, so I recompiled
my kernel with the USB stuff as modules and tried different
combinations of modules loaded to see if it made a difference. The
uhci_hcd module has to be loaded to get any recognition of the camera
being plugged in, and whether ehci_hcd is loaded makes no difference.
Loading scsi_debug shows no extra information.

I tried writing a udev rule for the camera 

BUS="usb", SYSFS{vendor}="Canon Inc.", SYSFS{product}="Canon Digital
Camera", NAME="camera%n"

but this has no effect. I have neither /dev/sd* nor /dev/camera* with
or without this rule.

gphoto2 cannot autodetect the camera either.

Comparing with my USB flash drive shows that the versions are
different (1.10 and 2) and the Driver is different (none and
usb-storage). This info is from /proc/bus/usb/devices, and the first
of each pair is the camera. I guess the lack of reported driver for
the camera is the problem, but I'm not sure this is possible to set is
it?

Is there a step I am missing in getting SCSI emulation of this device?
Is there anywhere else I can look for hints about what may be
happening?


Thanks,

James

$ cat /proc/bus/usb/devices (camera)

T:  Bus=03 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  5 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=04a9 ProdID=309c Rev= 0.01
S:  Manufacturer=Canon Inc.
S:  Product=Canon Digital Camera
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=06(still) Sub=01 Prot=01 Driver=(none)
E:  Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   8 Ivl=96ms

$ cat /proc/bus/usb/devices (usb key)

T:  Bus=03 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  6 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0951 ProdID=1601 Rev= 1.00
S:  Manufacturer=Kingston
S:  Product=DataTraveler II+
S:  SerialNumber=5B511D05874E
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=200mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=  64 Ivl=1ms


$ lsmod

Module  Size  Used by
uhci_hcd   29072  0 
usb_storage24452  0 
rt2500186084  1 
ipv6  241792  25 
thermal10440  0 
fan 3140  0 
button  4752  0 
processor  13488  1 thermal
ac  3268  0 
autofs416772  1 
ip_conntrack_ftp5980  0 
ip_conntrack_irc5080  0 
it87   18724  0 
hwmon_vid   2240  1 it87
lm90   11428  0 
i2c_dev 7264  0 
hwmon   2132  2 it87,lm90
i2c_isa 3264  1 it87
nvidia   4538452  12 
snd_emu10k1   117476  4 
snd_rawmidi20832  1 snd_emu10k1
snd_ac97_codec 92704  1 snd_emu10k1
snd_ac97_bus1792  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm78984  3 snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec
snd_seq_device  6860  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
snd_timer  20484  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc  8328  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
snd_util_mem3392  1 snd_emu10k1
8139too21632  0 
i2c_viapro  7316  0 
snd_hwdep   7236  1 snd_emu10k1
snd45312  14 
snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep


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Re: Gimp and Wacom freezes X.Org.

[jmt]

On Friday 14 April 2006 22:09, Jan Brons wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am having trouble with my Wacom Graphire3 when using Gimp.
> As soon as I start drawing X.Org freezes. The mouse cursor and the Wacom
> pointer still move but X is hard frozen. I can only do a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
> to restart X.
>
> If I use Gsumi and the Wacom there is no problem. As Gsumi uses Gtk1.2 and
> Gimp Gtk2.0 I have a feeling it has something to do with Gtk2.0.
> Has anyone ever experienced this or have a suggestion?
>

I have no troubles with Gimp from CVS and linuxwacom 7.2 on amd64 with 
Graphire4.
Did you test with the wacom debugging tools ?

jmt 


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PDF print driver in OOo 2.0 (Sarge Backports)?

[Dennis Carr]

Running Sarge, and recently installed OpenOffice.org 2 from the
backports.  While it seems to perform better than the default as
available in Sarge (1.something), I noticed last night that it seems to
lack any sort of an option to print to a PDF, unlike the 1.x default in
Sarge, where it seemingly just comes with the package.  What am I
missing, and how can I solve this?

-Dennis Carr



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Gimp and Wacom freezes X.Org.

[Jan Brons]

Hi all,I am having trouble with my Wacom Graphire3 when using Gimp.As
soon as I start drawing X.Org freezes. The mouse cursor and the Wacom
pointer still move but X is hard frozen. I can only do a
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart X.
If I use Gsumi and the Wacom there is no problem. As Gsumi
uses Gtk1.2 and Gimp Gtk2.0 I have a feeling it has something to do
with Gtk2.0.Has anyone ever experienced this or have a suggestion?Package: gimp
Status: install ok installedPriority: optionalSection: graphicsInstalled-Size: 8824Maintainer: Ari Pollak <

[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Architecture: amd64Version: 2.2.10-2
Replaces: gimp1.2 (<< 1.2.5-1), gimp1.3, gimp-nonfree, gimp-data (<< 2.0.2-4)Provides: gimp2.0, gimp-nonfreeDepends: wget, gimp-data (= 2.2.10-2), libaa1 (>= 1.2), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk
1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libexif12, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.7), libgimp2.0 (>= 2.2.0+rel), libglib2.0-0

 (>= 
2.8.5), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libice6, libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libmng1 (>= 1.0.3-1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.10.2), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libsm6, libtiff4, libwmf0.2-7 (>= 


0.2.8.3), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxi6, libxinerama1, libxmu6, libxpm4, libxrandr2, libxrender1 (>= 1:

0.9.0.2), libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)Recommends: gimp-svg, gimp-print
Suggests: gimp-help-en | gimp-help, gimp-python, libgimp-perl, gimp-data-extras, libasound2 (>= 1.0.0)Conflicts: gimp1.2 (<< 1.2.5-1), gimp1.3, gimp-nonfree, gimp-data (<< 2.0.2-4), libgimp2


.0 (>= 2.3.0)Description: The GNU Image Manipulation Program The GIMP lets you draw, paint, edit images, and much more! GIMP includes the functionality and plug-ins of other famous image editing and processing programs.
Thanks in advance,Jan 

Re: SATA RAID 0 in Debian

[Michael Schurter]

chris roddy wrote:

Michael Schurter wrote:
Let me rephrase: how do I setup SATA RAID 0 in Debian? 


Were these set up using a hardware RAID controller? You may need to plug
them into a controller of the exact same model to get to the data. The
on-disk format is frequently not interchangeable from one RAID
controller to the next.


Hm.  This sounds bad as it was a builtin motherboard controller - Via 
maybe?  Don't have it in front of me.  I'm not even sure if it was a 
hardware or software RAID because Windows required drivers to see it, 
and (obviously) I never mounted it in Debian.  This is a very humbling 
experience indeed...



I suppose you could attempt to set up a Linux software RAID and present
these drives to it. I wouldn't count on it working, though. The Software
RAID Howto is a good place to start:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html


Thanks for the link!  It seems a bit outdated (like so many HOWTOs), and 
I can't tell if any of the instructions would work for "importing" an 
existing array because of statements like the following:
"This should initialize the superblocks and start the raid device." 
(section 5.5)


Basically, I want to be able to mount 2 NTFS formatted disks readonly as 
a RAID 0 array with 64kb chunks.


Thanks, for the help!
Michael Schurter


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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Rich Johnson]

On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:


Doofus wrote:

Since one of the points of this thread seems to be to highlight the
incidences of people blithely advising "do as it says at the  
bottom of
the post" to other people who evidently can't see anything at the  
bottom
of the post, then to argue "oh yes it is there as long as you know  
which

spells and incantations to cast in order to see it" seems to me to be
unfairly bogging down  the novice with unhelpful pedantics.  
Especially
when the kind of person incapable of unsubscribing from a mailing  
list
is unlikely to even know what you're talking about when you tell  
them to

view the raw message.


Point is that there is a different condition between it being  
there and
the client failing to show it.  How?  Because if it wasn't there  
*NO* client
would show it.  Just because one, or a few, clients don't show it  
doesn't mean

all don't show it.  It's called being precise in reporting problems.

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 I'm using a different reader altogether and I sometimes see the  
unsubscribe annotation and sometimes I don't.
The difference correlates perfectly with whether the message is  
multipart mime(rfc1341), or not.--it does not appear whenever the  
sender mails a multi-part message.  For example you _WON'T_ see it  
with Steve's messages as illustrated above; you _WILL_ see it with  
this message (I hope).


Taking a brief look at the specs, but not enough to grok them:
I suspect that the problem is that the notice is tacked on _after_   
the attachments---essentially turning the notice into an "epilog''  
 without a content-type rather than either:

(a) placing it within the first text part; or
(b) attaching it as a well-formed part.

Since it's an ill-formed part, it's properly ignored.

Bottom line: I suspect the problem lies with the mechanism used to  
append the message.



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Re: SATA RAID 0 in Debian

[chris roddy]

Michael Schurter wrote:
> Michael Schurter wrote:
>> I've never worked with SATA RAID's in Debian (or Linux in general),
>> so I'm sorry if this is a stupid question.
>
> Let me rephrase: how do I setup SATA RAID 0 in Debian? 

Were these set up using a hardware RAID controller? You may need to plug
them into a controller of the exact same model to get to the data. The
on-disk format is frequently not interchangeable from one RAID
controller to the next.

I suppose you could attempt to set up a Linux software RAID and present
these drives to it. I wouldn't count on it working, though. The Software
RAID Howto is a good place to start:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html



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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Steve Lamb]

Doofus wrote:
> Since one of the points of this thread seems to be to highlight the
> incidences of people blithely advising "do as it says at the bottom of
> the post" to other people who evidently can't see anything at the bottom
> of the post, then to argue "oh yes it is there as long as you know which
> spells and incantations to cast in order to see it" seems to me to be
> unfairly bogging down  the novice with unhelpful pedantics. Especially
> when the kind of person incapable of unsubscribing from a mailing list
> is unlikely to even know what you're talking about when you tell them to
> view the raw message.

Point is that there is a different condition between it being there and
the client failing to show it.  How?  Because if it wasn't there *NO* client
would show it.  Just because one, or a few, clients don't show it doesn't mean
all don't show it.  It's called being precise in reporting problems.

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Re: Cameras.

[Doofus]

Matt Zagrabelny wrote:


sony p200

pros:
* very large, bright, responsive lcd



This is quoted as one of the cons for the A80, which has a small screen 
by current standards. If, like me, you started your photography along 
with Fox Talbot and will always use the viewfinder anyway, then you 
could argue this is a pro, since the LCD display is a big battery drain 
in digital cameras.


Also, the A80 LCD panel is hinged in two planes, allowing it to be swung 
out, rotated back into the body of the camera and switched off 
altogether, or allowing you to accurately compose a delayed shutter 
release by looking at the camera's composition from your position in the 
scene (ie the hinged LCD will swing out from the camera and rotate 
forwards, automatically inverting the image so you can view it from in 
front of the camera). Wonderful.



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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Steve Lamb]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> No it doesn't Steve.  If the message is a signed message such as you are 
> posting, that extra append by the mailing list server isn't there.

Yes it is, Gene.  Just because the email client does not display it does
not mean it isn't there.  Those are two different conditions.  If your email
client failed to show the DATE field would you say it wasn't there even though
it is required by RFC2821 to be present and every MTA adds it if it is
missing?  No.  You'd say the email client failed to show it.

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Re: X programs crash with request_code 151

[Samuel Krempp]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (14 April 2006 03:38,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) a écrit :
> there have been several reports identical to yours and it appears that
> another upgrade is required. Something that broke earlier has
> supposedly been fixed. I haven't made this upgrade yet so can't be
> sure, check the archives for yesterday and today.

yes, in fact I reported this as a bug to x11-com, and it got merged with
other reports on libxfixes3, where the bug is actually coming from. The
other reports had different error codes (152 while mine is 151) thus I
hadn't found them in my searches, and I had no clue which exact X library
this error was coming from. My report was quickly replied to, and then
downgrading libxfixes3 did solve the problem.
(on the mirrors I use, unstable hasnt yet replaced libxfixes 1:3.0.1.2-2
with a new, fixed version ; so downgrading it is the temporary solution
till that happens)

>> PS : two previous attempts at reaching the mailing list still haven't
>> produced any effect, 10 hours after sending the first mail. Is it me
>> or are some emails being blocked by the ML system ?? what does it take
>> to make it thru to this list ??
> 
> you are getting through. are you subscribed?

no, I'm using gmane to read the list.
I had first sent a post with a trashmail.net adress, and waited 10 hours
before deciding it had been somehow blocked out. When trying other 'From's
I did not wait that long, and the delay in gmane made me think those were
still being blocked... ah well, sorry the duplicates. the ironical thing is
how I end-up putting 2 of my email adresses in a public list while
initially trying to protect from spam behind a trashmail alias :/

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Doofus]

Steve Lamb wrote:


Andrei Popescu wrote:
 


But your message doesn't have it!
   



   Yes it does.  Please stop spreading misinformation.

 



It isn't shown by this Thunderbird client. Not unless you hit Ctrl-U and 
bash through the source.


Since one of the points of this thread seems to be to highlight the 
incidences of people blithely advising "do as it says at the bottom of 
the post" to other people who evidently can't see anything at the bottom 
of the post, then to argue "oh yes it is there as long as you know which 
spells and incantations to cast in order to see it" seems to me to be 
unfairly bogging down  the novice with unhelpful pedantics. Especially 
when the kind of person incapable of unsubscribing from a mailing list 
is unlikely to even know what you're talking about when you tell them to 
view the raw message.



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Re: Cameras.

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 12:47:08PM -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> 
> > 1. go for a camera that uses standard batteries. The A80 uses 4 AAA
> > batteries. This is great because if you don't have a charger along or
> > whatever, you can find them just about anywhere in a pinch.
> 
> i disagree with andrew here. i suggest getting a camera with a
> lithium-ion or equivalent battery.

I use li-ion AA's in my A80 and they are great. I get well over 1000 shots
on a full charge (never counted to see how far it will go, ymmv
depending on flash usage, etc). My point was that if you are out and
about and your batteries die, you can always duck into the nearest  and find batteries to get you through the day. I
meant "Standard" as opposed to a proprietary battery shape/size that
can't be found  easily when you're in a pinch.

> 
> i have a minolta dimage 7hi and it takes regular AA batteries. not only
> are they huge, but they dont last very long at all (this may be changing
> with the standard battery sizes coming out in lithium-ion).

:)

> 
> i also have a sony dsc p200. it is wonderful. it has a InfoLithium
> Battery, whatever that is. :)

I have that in my camcorder. The InfoLithium is a smart battery that
can report on its charge state, I believe. Very useful.

A

> 
> sony p200
> 
> pros:
> * very large, bright, responsive lcd
> * removable, rechargeable, lithium battery. lasts very long.
> * small
> * mounts as a standard usb drive
> * good pics
> * unlimited mpeg movies with sound at 640 x 480
> 
> cons:
> * only 3x optical zoom, but i think youll find this on any slim camera.
> (the cameras need depth for a bigger zoom)

my link in another post mentions the benefits of 3x over higher
optical zoom. Basically, 3x is so far within the boundaries of
available technology, that there is better assurance of quality versus
higher zoom levels. ymmv.

A


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Re: LVM2 and custom kernel

[Morten O. Hansen]

Aaaah, finally, it works. :) I had to enable ramdisk-support, since I
have the root on LVM. (ramdisk- and initrd-support).

Thanks for your help!

- Morten



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Re: Problems with security.debian.org

[Adam Porter]

anonym ano wrote:
 >
(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
> der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht
> gefunden) W: Sie möchten vielleicht »apt-get update« aufrufen, um diese
> Probleme zu lösen
> E: Einige Indexdateien konnten nicht heruntergeladen werden, sie wurden
> ignoriert oder alte an ihrer Stelle benutzt.

http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/

As you can see, there is no amd64 directory on the server.


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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 14 April 2006 13:54, Steve Lamb wrote:
>Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> But your message doesn't have it!
>
>Yes it does.  Please stop spreading misinformation.

No it isn't, but it is present in the headers also.

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 14 April 2006 13:54, Steve Lamb wrote:
>Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> But your message doesn't have it!
>
>Yes it does.  Please stop spreading misinformation.

No it doesn't Steve.  If the message is a signed message such as you are 
posting, that extra append by the mailing list server isn't there.

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 14 April 2006 12:58, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:33:35 -0700
>
>Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> > Huh, look at that. It doesn't show up in any of the attachments
>> > either. Just not there. Good eye Gene.
>>
>> Not true, here's the unsub instructions from the message I am
>> replying to:
>>
>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>> It's there.
>>
>> --
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>
>But your message doesn't have it!

And this one, which is not signed, has it.  Trimmed by kmail as kmail 
always trims the '-- ' sig stuff when replying.

>Andrei
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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 14 April 2006 12:33, Steve Lamb wrote:
>Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> Huh, look at that. It doesn't show up in any of the attachments
>> either. Just not there. Good eye Gene.
>
>Not true, here's the unsub instructions from the message I am
> replying to:
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>It's there.

kmail-1.7, from a kde-3.3.0 konstruct build, doesn't show it in any form 
if the message is pgp signed.  As to that being a bug that should be 
bugzilla'd, I have NDI.

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Andrei Popescu]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:54:23 -0700
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > But your message doesn't have it!
> 
> Yes it does.  Please stop spreading misinformation.
> 
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I've just been taught better. But strange that it shows only in the
source. A Sylpheed bug? It seems mutt behaves the same.

Andrei
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Re: apt-get

[Kim Christensen]

> In spite of having the latest Debian key 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03
> [expires: 2007-02-07] and upgrading Debian packages from the official
> sites, I got the warning "The following packages cannot be
> authenticated!".
> 
> Why, should I trust the Debian packages?

apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
apt-key update

This should give you the correct keys. Seems like the one(s) you have 
added to your keyring is outdated, or wrong.

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