Re: [Somewhat More OT] Closed source software Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Saturday 05 April 2008, Chris Walters wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> | On Friday 04 April 2008, Chris Walters wrote:
> | ...
> |
> |> If RMS is basing his ideals on the GNU charter, I don't think he
> |> read it clearly enough.  "Free: As in freedom".  This should apply
> |> whether a person wants to use pure open source software, closed
> |> source software, or a mix of both.  This is freedom.
> |
> | That is how you and most others would define freedom.  It's not how
> | he defines it.  How you define that word makes a big difference.
> |
> | Hal
>
> That is true - how is word is defined does make a big difference. 
> For example, if I define the word "freedom" to mean slavery, and the
> concept of "human rights" to mean "the right be be only a slave, or a
> slave owner", then I am attacking the language by altering
> fundamental definitions of word, and concepts.

Yes, it is an attack on the language, since the other discussion (in 
terms of software) is a matter of degree and freedom is slavery is 
dealing with exact opposites.  (Where have I heard that phrase about 
freedom and slavery before?...)

> I know that he doesn't define freedom as I and most others do, but I
> hope that he and those others are in the minority fringe.

I would think so, but I also think this is a minority fringe that has 
created benefits for the rest of us.

Hal


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dpkg emacs install failure

[Jude DaShiell]

Script started on Sat 05 Apr 2008 12:22:24 AM EDT
ns:~# aptitude -y install emacs -r

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The following NEW packages will be installed:

  emacs emacs22{a} emacs22-bin-common{a} emacs22-common{a}
  emacsen-common{a} xaw3dg{a} 
0 packages upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

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emacs-install emacs22
install/dictionaries-common: Byte-compiling for emacsen flavour emacs22
E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily 
unavailable)
E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another 
process using it?

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Re: Need to reboot Debian frequently

[Alex Samad]

On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 12:00:44PM +0800, Pete Kay wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Here is my w,free, top results when my linux server's network become too
> slow again ( it just happened).
> 
> w output:
>  19:41:19 up 1 day, 20:07,  6 users,  load average: 1.46, 1.85, 1.86
> USER TTY  FROM  LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
> anne :0   -Thu23   ?xdm?  26:59   0.87s
> x-session-manag
> root pts/2:0.0 Thu23   19:28  56.31s 56.29s asterisk
> -v
> root pts/3:0.0 Fri20   10:18   0.42s  0.42s bash
> root pts/4:0.0 Fri210.00s  0.80s  0.00s w
> root pts/5:0.0 Fri01   24:43   0.00s  0.00s bash
> root pts/6:0.0 Fri01   20:02   0.04s  0.04s bash
nothing overly exciting here

> 
> free output:
>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:   10284921009284  19208  0   4700 649756
> -/+ buffers/cache: 354828 673664
> Swap:  2650684 1235322527152
> 
this looks okay as well, about 30% is being used as cache

> top output:
> top - 19:41:37 up 1 day, 20:08,  6 users,  load average: 1.33, 1.80, 1.84
> Tasks: 140 total,   3 running, 134 sleeping,   3 stopped,   0 zombie
> Cpu(s): 32.2%us, 29.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 37.1%id,  1.7%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
> 0.0%st
> Mem:   1028492k total,  1011888k used,16604k free, 4724k buffers
> Swap:  2650684k total,   123532k used,  2527152k free,   652132k cached
> 
>   PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
>  4292 root  25   0 15808 1004  856 R   98  0.1   1441:12 notify.php
do you normally see this running high when you have the network problem
?

>  6623 anne  15   0  337m 145m  26m S   24 14.5 169:28.67 firefox-bin
>  5574 anne  15   0 67260  17m  11m S0  1.8   0:08.40 nautilus
>  5550 root  15   0  2228 1168  856 R0  0.1   0:00.07 top
> 1 root  15   0  1944  504  476 S0  0.0   0:01.27 init
> 2 root  RT   0 000 S0  0.0   0:00.01 migration/0
> 3 root  34  19 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0
> 4 root  RT   0 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 migration/1
> 5 root  34  19 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd/1
> 6 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.68 events/0
> 7 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.01 events/1
> 8 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 khelper
> 9 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kthread
>13 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.04 kblockd/0
>14 root  19  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kblockd/1
>15 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kacpid
>   111 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kseriod
> 
> 
> For the tcpdump, I have to apt-get install it first and then wait under the
> server's network becomes too slow again the next
>  time.
> By the way, when the network becomes slow, the linux server can still run
> fine without any slowness.  This Linux box is behind a router which has two
> computers ( one linux and one vista ) under its network.
my experience is when the network seems slow it because there is a lot
of data being push out it.  The machine can be responsive aslong as the
program you are using doesn't talk to the network.
> 
> How could I solve this problem?  What worries me is that I am consistently
> having to reboot 2 - 3 days which means my server is still not ready for
> production.
when we find out what is causing the slow down we can fix the problem.

> 
> Please help me.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete


can you also do a cat /proc/interrupts

A

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Re: [Somewhat More OT] Closed source software Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

[Chris Walters]

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Hal Vaughan wrote:
| On Friday 04 April 2008, Chris Walters wrote:
| ...
|> If RMS is basing his ideals on the GNU charter, I don't think he read
|> it clearly enough.  "Free: As in freedom".  This should apply whether
|> a person wants to use pure open source software, closed source
|> software, or a mix of both.  This is freedom.
|
| That is how you and most others would define freedom.  It's not how he
| defines it.  How you define that word makes a big difference.
|
| Hal

That is true - how is word is defined does make a big difference.  For example,
if I define the word "freedom" to mean slavery, and the concept of "human
rights" to mean "the right be be only a slave, or a slave owner", then I am
attacking the language by altering fundamental definitions of word, and 
concepts.

I know that he doesn't define freedom as I and most others do, but I hope that
he and those others are in the minority fringe.

Chris
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Re: [Not So Horrendously OT] Psychology, Economics and Debian Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

[Chris Walters]

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s. keeling wrote:
| Mark Allums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|>  Hal Vaughan wrote:
|>> stay alive.  Some, those generally at the lower levels of Piaget's
|>> Hierarchy of Needs, will say survival is important while those focused
|>> on the higher levels (focused on self actualization) where, since it's
|>  Maslow
|
| Thankyou for the redirect.  Not that you've offered to defend it but,
| Poppycock!  :-)  "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to
| lose ..."
|
|   "The first four layers of the pyramid are what Maslow called
|"deficiency needs" or "D-needs": the individual does not feel
|anything if they are met, but feels anxious if they are not met."
|
| ... does not feel anything if they are met ...
|
| This man's never been poor.  When you're poor, even the meanest of
| pleasures make you feel, momentarily, like a real honest to goodness
| human being again (possibly even more willing to stay that way, as in
| alive), and that's just what he needs most then.  In that point of
| one's life, anxious is a constant.  Any respite, even an egg mcmuffin
| or a smoke, can produce bliss.  I very much doubt he ever was there.
| Good for him.
|
| My guess is he's a typical Ivory Tower researcher with little more to
| go on than his theory based on no first hand evidence.  Psycho-
| anything is a primitive science (if that).  No, I'm not a
| Scientologist.

Maslow is more on the theoretical side of psychology than on the experimental
side.  If you look at his theory more closely, you may find some truth to it -
a homeless person is not going to be worried about "Self-actualization needs",
as this person's main goal will be to survive.  Psychology *is* a science, in
that the scientific method is used on the experimental side, at least.

Why is this not so off topic?  Well, psychology and economics are two factors
that affect what any person chooses to "buy".  I will explain this in a minute.
Everything has costs and benefits associated with it, which we perceive through
our imperfect senses (a big area of research in psychology), and through our
imperfect cognition (again an area much researched by psychology).

Now, how can you "buy" something that is "free" like Debian?  Well, it has real
costs associated with it - the price (if you buy it pre-burned, or
pre-installed), the cost of the bandwidth if you download it (plus the cost of
the CD/DVDs - just the bandwidth if you choose a Netinstall.  In addition, all
operating systems have different capabilities and different pitfalls (i.e. they
may work very well on some systems, but not so well or not at all on others).

In the end, it is a matter of choice, based on costs (perceived and real) and
benefits (also perceived and real).  These perceptions are based upon our
imperfect interpretation of how our brains filter sensory data, and upon our
imperfect cognition.  Thus, both psychology and economics (subjects I have
studied) have a place in this discussion.  The real question is:  How can we
maximize the benefits of Debian, for both current and future users, and get
them to perceive these increased benefits as such?

Chris
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Re: Need to reboot Debian frequently

[Pete Kay]

Hi,

Here is my w,free, top results when my linux server's network become too
slow again ( it just happened).

w output:
 19:41:19 up 1 day, 20:07,  6 users,  load average: 1.46, 1.85, 1.86
USER TTY  FROM  LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
anne :0   -Thu23   ?xdm?  26:59   0.87s
x-session-manag
root pts/2:0.0 Thu23   19:28  56.31s 56.29s asterisk
-v
root pts/3:0.0 Fri20   10:18   0.42s  0.42s bash
root pts/4:0.0 Fri210.00s  0.80s  0.00s w
root pts/5:0.0 Fri01   24:43   0.00s  0.00s bash
root pts/6:0.0 Fri01   20:02   0.04s  0.04s bash

free output:
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:   10284921009284  19208  0   4700 649756
-/+ buffers/cache: 354828 673664
Swap:  2650684 1235322527152

top output:
top - 19:41:37 up 1 day, 20:08,  6 users,  load average: 1.33, 1.80, 1.84
Tasks: 140 total,   3 running, 134 sleeping,   3 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s): 32.2%us, 29.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 37.1%id,  1.7%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
0.0%st
Mem:   1028492k total,  1011888k used,16604k free, 4724k buffers
Swap:  2650684k total,   123532k used,  2527152k free,   652132k cached

  PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
 4292 root  25   0 15808 1004  856 R   98  0.1   1441:12 notify.php
 6623 anne  15   0  337m 145m  26m S   24 14.5 169:28.67 firefox-bin
 5574 anne  15   0 67260  17m  11m S0  1.8   0:08.40 nautilus
 5550 root  15   0  2228 1168  856 R0  0.1   0:00.07 top
1 root  15   0  1944  504  476 S0  0.0   0:01.27 init
2 root  RT   0 000 S0  0.0   0:00.01 migration/0
3 root  34  19 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0
4 root  RT   0 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 migration/1
5 root  34  19 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd/1
6 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.68 events/0
7 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.01 events/1
8 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 khelper
9 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kthread
   13 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.04 kblockd/0
   14 root  19  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kblockd/1
   15 root  15  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kacpid
  111 root  10  -5 000 S0  0.0   0:00.00 kseriod


For the tcpdump, I have to apt-get install it first and then wait under the
server's network becomes too slow again the next
 time.
By the way, when the network becomes slow, the linux server can still run
fine without any slowness.  This Linux box is behind a router which has two
computers ( one linux and one vista ) under its network.

How could I solve this problem?  What worries me is that I am consistently
having to reboot 2 - 3 days which means my server is still not ready for
production.

Please help me.

Thanks,
Pete

Re: [Somewhat More OT] Closed source software Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Chris Walters wrote:
...
> If RMS is basing his ideals on the GNU charter, I don't think he read
> it clearly enough.  "Free: As in freedom".  This should apply whether
> a person wants to use pure open source software, closed source
> software, or a mix of both.  This is freedom.

That is how you and most others would define freedom.  It's not how he 
defines it.  How you define that word makes a big difference.

Hal


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Re: lost SD card with newer kernels

[Mumia W..]

On 04/04/2008 04:02 PM, Ernst Doubt wrote:

I have a 2.6.18 (self-compiled) kernel that I can use to successfully mount
an SD card from my camera, but when I built a newer, more trimmed down
kernel, my SD card access is no longer available.  I thought I had enabled
all the correct hardware options, but apparently I've missed something.

My config is at http://pastebin.com/m9d3c9ea

This is a Dell Precision M90 that's running sid.  The kernels I'm building
are from kernel.org and I'm not using debian-specific tools for that part.

   thanks in advance for any help,
  -ed



I see this in your config:

   1567. # CONFIG_MMC_SDHCI is not set
   1568. # CONFIG_MMC_WBSD is not set
   1569. # CONFIG_MMC_TIFM_SD is not set

Enable these and some of the other items under "Device Drivers--> MMC/SD 
card support" in "make menuconfig" (if that's what you're using to 
configure the kernel). I advise enabling them as modules and also 
enabling "automatic module loading support."


Good luck.



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Re: apt-get errors

[Mumia W..]

On 04/04/2008 06:48 PM, hce wrote:

Hi,

I guess somehow my apt list is collapsed. Please see following
sources.list and errors. I am not able to do apt-get install anymore.
Please how can I fix it?

deb http://packages.debian.org etch main contrib
deb-src http://packages.debian.org etch main contrib
[...]


Try http://ftp.us.debian.org/ instead.


W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Couldn't find package php

Thank you.

Jim




Yes, perform "apt-get update" after you change /etc/apt/sources.list. 
Always do this after modifying sources.list.





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Re: At last my built in card reader is supported (acer 5102 wlmi)

[Mumia W..]

On 04/04/2008 05:09 PM, Jabka Atu wrote:

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Howdy,...


Hello




I own acer 5102 Almira (special -v is added) and at last there is
support few the card reader.

I used 2.6.24-1-mad64 kernel with sdhci model.

As far as i know this is the first kernel that support it out from the
box (2.6.22 didn't support it).


Where can i get the developer e-mail to send him a thank you note.
[...]



06:04.2 SD Host controller: ENE Technology Inc ENE PCI Secure Digital
Card Reader Controller (rev 01) (prog-if 01)
Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 009f
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 23
Memory at c0202800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: sdhci
Kernel modules: sdhci


head linux-2.6-2.6.24/drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.h

/*
 *  linux/drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.h - Secure Digital Host Controller Interface 
driver
 *
 *  Copyright (C) 2005-2007 Pierre Ossman, All Rights Reserved.
 *
 * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify


Perhaps Google can help you find Pierre Ossman's e-mail address.


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Re: [Somewhat More OT] Closed source software Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

[Chris Walters]

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Michael C wrote:
| Chris Walters wrote:
| Michael C wrote:
| | Hal Vaughan wrote:
| |> On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
| |>
| |>> Hal Vaughan wrote:
| |>>
| |>>> On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
| |>>>
| | Ivan Savcic wrote:
| |
| |> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
| |>
| |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| |>
| |>> I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
| |>> almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
| |>> allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
| |>> structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
| |>> preventing people from using the software they want.
| |>>
| |> I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a
| |> purist, he dreams to banish all closed source from this world.
| |> Like Hal pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no
| |> freedom when it comes to choosing freedom itself.
| |>
| |> Ivan
| |>
| | RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally objects
| | to distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in their
| | repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this implicitly
| | advocates the use of non-free software, whilst explicitly
| | advocating GPL-licensed software for use in conjunction with that
| | ultimate proprietary platform, MS Windows:
| | http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
| |
| |>>> I think what RMS objects to is anything that was not his idea
| |>>> first.
| |>>>
| |>>> Hal
| |>>>
| |>> Honi soit qui mal y pense!
| |>>
| |>
| |> Merde!
| |>
| |> Granted that's just my opinion, based on what I've read and less than
| |> 2 1/2 hours at one of his talks (including some time talking to him
| |> afterwards), so I could be way off base, but I did get the sense that
| |> his world definitely starts and ends with his own views -- and
| |> basically contains only his views.
| |>
| |>
| |>> The FSF's list curiously doesn't mention the GNU Foundation's support
| |>> for the Win32 port of emacs and gcc:
| |>> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
| |>>
| |>
| |> I admire RMS and a lot of what he's done.  I'm currently working on
| |> source for controlling an HD radio in C++ so I'm using gcc, based on
| |> his earlier version and he did write emacs (isn't that an OS or
| |> religion?).  That doesn't mean that I think he carries things too far.
| |>
| |> But then again, maybe it's that blindness and need of his to go too
| |> far that has achieved what he has.
| |>
| |> Hal
| |>
| |
| | FWIW, I don't have any particular problem with the notion --
| implicit in
| | Stallman's position -- that there's a set of positive political
| freedoms
| | which *morally* override the permissive freedom to install proprietary
| | software.
|
| Ah, but there are many who would disagree with that position.  There
| was a
| person who once said words to the effect that someone who will not
| fight for
| freedom does not deserve it.  Then there are the UN Conventions on
| Human Rights
| - these state, basically, IIRC that the rights of the individual are
| more
| important than any particular moral or political override.
|
| The idea that using closed source software is morally wrong, it
| problematic, at
| best, since:
| 1.  If you drive a car built after a certain point, you are using
| closed source
| software (the computer that controls your engine, and the one that
| monitors
| your acceleration and activates your airbag).
| 2.  If you use a cell phone, you are using closed source software (the
| ROM chip
| set that controls the phone - i.e. finds the cell tower signals and
| locks on).
| 3.  If you use just about ANY computer, you are using closed source
| software
| (various ROM and EPROM chips on the mainboard, and on any cards that
| you add on).
| 4.  If you use a television, you are using closed source software (the
| tuner
| and various ROM chips).
| 5.  If you use pharmaceuticals, cleaning products, etc. you are, by
| proxy,
| using closed source software (the software that controls the production
| process, the software that the pharmacy uses to fill you prescription,
| and so on).
|
|> There's the rub. There are practical/political impediments to the
|> exercise of genuine software freedom (the whole panoply of patents, NDAs
|> etc.) which no software license, no matter how "progressive", could ever
|> hope to effectively combat. So it follows that if there's to be real
|> software freedom, it would have to be predicated on new and transformed
|> social, political and economic arrangements.

This would mean the end of modern economic theory (i.e. capitalism - socialism
spectrum).  It would require a completely new paradigm of economics, where
everyone's basic needs are met, and they can work on other pursuits (for what
motivation, I do not know).  Fo

Re: Need to reboot Debian frequently

[Alex Samad]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 08:13:23PM -0700, Pete Kay wrote:
> Hi
> I am running debian on PC with 1G of memory.  Mostly it is running as
> Asterisk server.
> The problem is everyone once in a while ( after 2 -3 days ) , the Linux
> server's network become so slow
> that I need to reboot it.  After reboot, the network becomes normal again.
> 
> Can someone tell me what problem is it?  This is my test environment, but I
> don't want the same thing to happen in our production server.  Therefore, I
> am thinking whether Debian is suitable for production use.  The version of
> Debian is 2.6.18
could be a lot of things, have you checked what is happening on the
network at that time, or what is happening on the machine

try something like

tcpdump -pni  -count 50

try  these commands to see what is happening on the system
w
free
top

from there we might be able to help a bit further

A


> 
> Please help me.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete

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Re: Alsa question

[Russell L. Harris]

* Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080404 22:07]:
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> My problem is when I setup /etc/asound.conf to this
... 
> anyone got any suggestions on how to make it work ?


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Re: Need to reboot Debian frequently

[Jose Luis Rivas Contreras]

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Pete Kay wrote:
> Hi
> I am running debian on PC with 1G of memory.  Mostly it is running as
> Asterisk server. 
> The problem is everyone once in a while ( after 2 -3 days ) , the Linux
> server's network become so slow
> that I need to reboot it.  After reboot, the network becomes normal again.
> 
> Can someone tell me what problem is it?  This is my test environment,
> but I don't want the same thing to happen in our production server. 
> Therefore, I am thinking whether Debian is suitable for production use. 
> The version of Debian is 2.6.18
> 
> Please help me.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete
> 
What about a full memory and a full swap?

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Question about Email-to-Fax setup

[Pete Kay]

Dear all,
I am trying to following the procedure from postfix faq but I have problem
understanding how to do a few things specified:
1. How do advertise my fax.domain.com in the DNS?
2. I don't have /etc/postfix/transport file, do I just create it and add the
entry there?
3. I don't have main.cf in my Debian install, do I just simply create one
and add these two lines there?
4. How do I specifiy dbm or hash file?

Here is the faq answer, but I don't quite understand how to do it on
Debian.

/etc/postfix/master.cf:
fax   unix  -   n   n   -   1   pipe
flags= user=fax argv=/usr/bin/faxmail -d -n ${user}

/etc/postfix/transport:
fax.your.domain   fax:localhost

/etc/postfix/main.cf:
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
fax_destination_recipient_limit = 1

Specify *dbm* instead of *hash* if your system uses *dbm* files instead of *
db* files. To find out what map types Postfix supports, use the
command *postconf
-m*.

Note: be sure to not advertise *fax.your.domain* in the DNS

Thank you very much for your inputAny help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Pete

Need to reboot Debian frequently

[Pete Kay]

Hi
I am running debian on PC with 1G of memory.  Mostly it is running as
Asterisk server.
The problem is everyone once in a while ( after 2 -3 days ) , the Linux
server's network become so slow
that I need to reboot it.  After reboot, the network becomes normal again.

Can someone tell me what problem is it?  This is my test environment, but I
don't want the same thing to happen in our production server.  Therefore, I
am thinking whether Debian is suitable for production use.  The version of
Debian is 2.6.18

Please help me.

Thanks,
Pete

Re: Evolution: Inserting image into signature block

[Mihira Fernando]

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:00:52 +0100
andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >
> > On 04/04/08 13:40, andy wrote:
> >   
> >> Hello
> >>
[snip]
> >> Google does yield some results about positions of signature
block,
> >but > AFAIK, nothing on the specifics of what I am experiencing. I am
> >confused > as to why the digitised signature (a *.jpg) file is
> >preserved but the > logo is not. Is this because it is within a table
> >or is there another > more subtle reason.
> >>
> >> I would appreciate any help that list users could offer in
> >rectifying > this matter, as the options to the signature function do
> >not seem very > extensive to do the trick.
> >> 
> >
> > I'd do a "show source" on the email in the Sent folder.
> >
> > - --
> > Ron Johnson, Jr.
> > Jefferson LA  USA
> >
> >   
> Thanks Ron. What am I looking for? I can see the logo correctly 
> referenced, but I'm not sure what else I'd be looking for to really 
> progress this intelligently.
> 
> A

I believe outlook/express achieves this by embedding the image as base64
encoded data. Something like this : 

[img src=___data:image/png;base64,__]

where ___ is a base64 encoded image data

Check the source of an email sent from outlook/express that has embedded
images. If the same can be done in Evolution, your problem will get
solved.

Mihira.

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Re: /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size

[Jude DaShiell]

First read the contents of the paniclog file.  If that problem still 
exists go and correct it.  Then use touch on the paniclog file to make it 
have a 0 length and continue with your upgrade.




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After recent Exim4 setup on a new Debian 4.0r3 installed mail server I'm
seeing this error;

'/var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size'

Any suggestions on a workaround woul be appreciated.

thanks,
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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 04/04/08 19:09, s. keeling wrote:
> > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>  On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote:
> >>> AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly
> >>> free -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1]. He talked about this in
> >>> his talk he held in Belgrade, Serbia.
> >>
> >>  I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
> >> almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
> >> allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
> >> structure of its packaging system. IMO that is more free than
> >> preventing people from using the software they want.
> >
> > I have the same problem with it.
> >
> > This is the best thing I've seen in this thread.  The GPL applies
> > to developers and distributors who want to use free software in
> > their productions, as in re-using other's code.
> >
> > It does not apply to users.  The whole intent of the GPL is to free
> > users to be able to use their stuff.  Stock Debian is pure GPL.
> > Debian is not to blame if its user slurps from debian-multimedia.
> > When/if they morph into devs or distribs, then they need to
> > consider the GPL, not before.
>
> You will think as I think, because I think rightly, and if you don't
> think the same rightly I think, then you are Evil and must be
> destroyed!!!

Sounds like Randy Scouse Git:

Why don't you be like me?
Why don't you stop and see?
Why don't you hate who I hate,
Kill who I kill to be free?

-- Micky Dolenz (and sung by the Monkees)


Hal


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Re: [Horrendously OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[s. keeling]

Mark Allums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > stay alive.  Some, those generally at the lower levels of Piaget's 
> > Hierarchy of Needs, will say survival is important while those focused 
> > on the higher levels (focused on self actualization) where, since it's 
> 
>  Maslow

Thankyou for the redirect.  Not that you've offered to defend it but,
Poppycock!  :-)  "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to
lose ..."

  "The first four layers of the pyramid are what Maslow called
   "deficiency needs" or "D-needs": the individual does not feel
   anything if they are met, but feels anxious if they are not met."

... does not feel anything if they are met ...

This man's never been poor.  When you're poor, even the meanest of
pleasures make you feel, momentarily, like a real honest to goodness
human being again (possibly even more willing to stay that way, as in
alive), and that's just what he needs most then.  In that point of
one's life, anxious is a constant.  Any respite, even an egg mcmuffin
or a smoke, can produce bliss.  I very much doubt he ever was there.
Good for him.

My guess is he's a typical Ivory Tower researcher with little more to
go on than his theory based on no first hand evidence.  Psycho-
anything is a primitive science (if that).  No, I'm not a
Scientologist.


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Re: [Somewhat OT] Closed source software Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
...
> There's the rub. There are practical/political impediments to the
> exercise of genuine software freedom (the whole panoply of patents,
> NDAs etc.) which no software license, no matter how "progressive",
> could ever hope to effectively combat. So it follows that if there's
> to be real software freedom, it would have to be predicated on new
> and transformed social, political and economic arrangements.

I'm not sure we don't have a large amount of freedom now.  Actually, I 
feel that more important than whether or not a a program is open source 
is the ability to pick which product we want for a specific need.  In 
that way, I'd consider the current OS monopoly more of a hindrance on 
freedom than that same company selling closed source products.

> But Stallman's is a utopian position, because in place of concrete
> political and economic analyses of capitalism, all he really has to
> offer politically is vague talk about extending Free Software's moral
> example into other social spheres.

I would agree, but on the other hand, I'll ask how we're ever to try to 
reach or build a Utopia if we don't have a few that dare to live and 
believe as if we are already there.

Hal


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Re: --OMG_OPTIMIZED

[Paul Johnson]

On Friday 04 April 2008 11:33:00 am Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 04/04/08 12:27, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >> difference compared to -O1 and i686 --mcpu/--march makes a difference
> >> compared to i386. --fomit-frame-pointer also produced faster binaries.
> >
> > S, your machine was idling faster?  'round here CPU time is
> > rarely a limiter.  In fact I'm messing around with setting up Xen to
> > split up the functions of my main Linux box into 3 VMs.  It's a PIII
> > 667Mhz machine.
>
> Mostly yes.  But certain number-crunching apps will really benefit
> from subarch-dependent instructions.

What packages fall into this category that don't already have subarch 
packages?

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Re: how to upgrade to a 64-bit mobo?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 11:56:57AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Millions(?) must have done this but googling left doubts.
>
> I'm thinking of upgrading my EP-8VTAI 32-bit mobo to an ASUS M2N-SLI  
> which is 64-bit.
>
> I now run one Sid system that is pure i386.
>
> What is best?
>
> 1. install the ASUS M2N-SLI into a new box and keep the old box.
>
> 2. install the ASUS M2N-SLI into the present box but then I have 4 HDD's  
> with only 32-bit Sid.
>
> Many must have faced this question. Pointers?

what I *can* tell you is just reinstall. Do bother trying to migrate
in place unless you're masochistic. It's doable, but just a pain...

A


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Alsa question

[Alex Samad]

Hi

On my machine I run squeezeslave (part of squeezebox/squeezecenter ),
it is basically a deamon that is control from one location. I have to
run it under aoss to get alsa access.

when it is running I can run other applications that want to use the
sound card.

My problem is when I setup /etc/asound.conf to this

pcm.!default {
type plug
slave.pcm "dmixer"
}

pcm.dmixer  {
type dmix
ipc_key 1234
slave {
  format S32_LE
pcm "hw:0,1"
format S32_LE
period_time 0
period_size 1024
buffer_size 32768
}
}


ctl.dmixer {
type hw
card 0
device 1
}

to make use of my digital connection, but when i do this, I can't multi
use the sound card.

so 

user video starts aoss squeezeslave, then user alex can play anything
with the above config

when I remove that config (comment it out), all works fine

anyone got any suggestions on how to make it work ?

Thanks
Alex

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Re: Starting Evolution with work-online enabled [SOLVED]

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 03:52:40PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:23:11 -0700
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:46:09AM +0100, Robin wrote:

> > > Package should be renamed network-mangler:)
> > 
> > indeed. I wonder if this is just something unique to debian's package
> > or a general problem with n-m? Or is it more a problem with the level
> > of sophistication of users on this list? They are sophisticated enough
> > to break n-m in previously unforeseen ways...
> 
> I have never used NM, since I'm a Linux-geek wannabe who assumes that
> GUIs are automatically evil, but I have been quite struck by the fact
> that some of the bcm43xx / b43 devs seem to consider it their preferred
> method of managing their wireless subsystems, and those guys surely
> know wireless as well as anyone.  I believe I have seen Larry Finger
> (one of those devs), write strongly in its favor, although at the
> moment all I find is this comment of his [0]:
> 
> You will find NetworkManager to be a very nice way to connect.
> 
> I'm cc'ing him; perhaps he can shed some light on the issue.
> 
> [0] https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bcm43xx-dev/2007-July/004949.html

I've used it a couple of times and frankly, it just didn't work. Both
my wife's (then etch) box hardwired to a dhcp router and my laptop in
various locations... it never did what was expected. I reverted to
basic /etc/network/interfaces setup for my wife's machine and a custom
script for my laptop tailored to connect to my most likely locations
and that works flawlessly. It must work for someone, and frankly I
suspect it pretty much just works for most people, but I've never had
luck with it and have seen nothing but complaints from it around
here...


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Re: fixing .txt files sent from a MS$ user

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:29:44PM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote:
> On 04/04/2008 10:47 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 11:39:55AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >>My niece sends some of her schoolwork to my wife (e.g. essays) for her 
> >>to read.  First she sent .doc files which I can't access properly (no, I 
> >>do no run OO) although I could get the jist.  I then suggested that she 
> >>send plain text.
 
> That seems to be in Microsoft code page 1250 (cp1250). Install 'recode' 
> and do this:
> 
> recode cp1250..ascii < email.txt

Thanks, I had an "ambiguous" error re linefeeds and just tried the other
cp's and found that cp1258 works fine.

thanks.

doug.


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Re: Xen in Etch, basic setup

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 04:51:10PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Fri, April 4, 2008 9:54 am, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 09:17:46AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >> Something in the process I am missing is.  I have to be missing
> >> something since my configuration, especially this single ethernet
> >> card test, should work.  I can't find any glaringly obvious
> >> difference from the many examples I've seen and my configurations.
> >> Thank you for discussing it with me, however, since sometimes just
> >> having a sounding board will get the ol' synapses firing.  :)
> 
> I think there is something here.  Do you, or anyone, know if telling
> Shorewall not to load in /etc/defaults/shorewall mean everything is wide
> open or that it loads some set which only allows those interfaces with
> routestopped to talk?  If it is the latter that might be the problem
> since only eth0 and eth1 are in my shorewall configuration and neither
> of those are actively in use under Dom0.

so far as I know, having shorewall turned off in
/etc/defaults/shorewall completely prevents it from running. So you
would be left with bog standard iptables setup -- wide open.

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Re: Xen in Etch, basic setup

[Ken Irving]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 04:51:10PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Fri, April 4, 2008 9:54 am, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 09:17:46AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >> Something in the process I am missing is.  I have to be missing
> >> something since my configuration, especially this single ethernet
> >> card test, should work.  I can't find any glaringly obvious
> >> difference from the many examples I've seen and my configurations.
> >> Thank you for discussing it with me, however, since sometimes just
> >> having a sounding board will get the ol' synapses firing.  :)
> 
> I think there is something here.  Do you, or anyone, know if telling
> Shorewall not to load in /etc/defaults/shorewall mean everything is wide
> open or that it loads some set which only allows those interfaces with
> routestopped to talk?  If it is the latter that might be the problem

Shorewall's init.d script won't do anything if /etc/defaults/shorewall
isn't configured (or maybe if the startup variable is spoofed?),
according to a look at /etc/init.d/shorewall on sid.  It could probably
be run by other means, so I don't know if that's definitive.  Running
iptables --list would show what's actually configured, regardless of
how shorewall is or isn't configured.

Ken

> since only eth0 and eth1 are in my shorewall configuration and neither
> of those are actively in use under Dom0.
> 
> > what does your Dom0 /etc/network/interfaces look like?
> 
> > also, what about the output of route on various Doms?
> 
> I'll have to get back to you on these two in a few hours when I have
> some time.
> 
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Re: pc compatibility

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 01:29:26PM -0700, remigio wrote:
> I'd like to buy an Acer Aspire m1610 for a very convenient low price,
> but before this I want to know the Debian Etch compatibility on this
> pc. Have someone  had an experience in this way?
> Thanks very much.

Don't know but if its hot-off-the-press, remember that Etch isn't.  By
the time Stable becomes Stable (as Etch did a year ago), it doesn't take
long before bleeding edge hardware requries a newer kernel.  

Therefore, you may find that the Etch installer doesn't detect
everything and you'll need either Lenny or Sid.

Suggestion: burn the netinst.iso for Etch and try booting it on the box.
Go to a shell and look at the dmesg and check syslog for errors.

Doug.


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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/04/08 19:09, s. keeling wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>  On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote:
>>> AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly free
>>> -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1]. He talked about this in his talk he
>>> held in Belgrade, Serbia.
>>  I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost
>>  assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of allowing the
>>  user to choose to use non-free software within the structure of its
>>  packaging system. IMO that is more free than preventing people from
>>  using the software they want.
> 
> I have the same problem with it.
> 
> This is the best thing I've seen in this thread.  The GPL applies to
> developers and distributors who want to use free software in their
> productions, as in re-using other's code.
> 
> It does not apply to users.  The whole intent of the GPL is to free
> users to be able to use their stuff.  Stock Debian is pure GPL.
> Debian is not to blame if its user slurps from debian-multimedia.
> When/if they morph into devs or distribs, then they need to consider
> the GPL, not before.

You will think as I think, because I think rightly, and if you don't
think the same rightly I think, then you are Evil and must be
destroyed!!!

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Re: fixing .txt files sent from a MS$ user

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 06:33:27PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2008-04-04 17:57 +0200, John Hasler wrote:
> 
> > Douglas writes:
> >> My niece sends some of her schoolwork to my wife (e.g. essays) for her to
> >> read.  First she sent .doc files which I can't access properly (no, I do
> >> no run OO)
> >
> > Try Abiword.
> 
> s/b/nt/  :-)
> 
> No complex library dependencies, no X necessary, startup time close to
> zero, and the text from your M$ document is displayed just fine.
> Antiword can also generate Postscript or HTML output.

I know about antiword and have it.  It still misses some things which is
why I asked her to send plain text.

Doug.


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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[s. keeling]

Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote:
> > 
> > AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly free
> > -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1]. He talked about this in his talk he
> > held in Belgrade, Serbia.
> 
>  I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost
>  assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of allowing the
>  user to choose to use non-free software within the structure of its
>  packaging system. IMO that is more free than preventing people from
>  using the software they want.

I have the same problem with it.

This is the best thing I've seen in this thread.  The GPL applies to
developers and distributors who want to use free software in their
productions, as in re-using other's code.

It does not apply to users.  The whole intent of the GPL is to free
users to be able to use their stuff.  Stock Debian is pure GPL.
Debian is not to blame if its user slurps from debian-multimedia.
When/if they morph into devs or distribs, then they need to consider
the GPL, not before.


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Re: Evolution: Inserting image into signature block

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/04/08 18:00, andy wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 04/04/08 13:40, andy wrote:
>>   
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I am needing some assistance please on inserting images into an
>>> Evolution outgoing email signature block. This concerns Evolution 2.6.3.
>>> running on a GNU/Linux Debian Etch platform.
>>>
>>> At present, I have constructed a signature block with the following
>>> components: an image (digitised hand signature), above a text block of
>>> name and job title, above a 2-celled table, with one cell containing the
>>> image of the company's logo and the second, a text block with contact
>>> details. HTML has been enabled.
>>>
>>> In preview, all components are visible. While writing an email all
>>> components are visible. Once the email has been sent, in the Sent
>>> folder, all except the logo are visible (this is now seen as only a
>>> place-holder). Feedback from recipients confirms that the results in the
>>> Send folder are how the emails are received, with place-holders in the
>>> place of company logo.
>>>
>>> I have experimented with the image itself, opening it in Gimp and saving
>>> it as - variously - a *.gif, a *.jpg, and now a *.png format. All
>>> results are the same.
>>>
>>> Google does yield some results about positions of signature block, but
>>> AFAIK, nothing on the specifics of what I am experiencing. I am confused
>>> as to why the digitised signature (a *.jpg) file is preserved but the
>>> logo is not. Is this because it is within a table or is there another
>>> more subtle reason.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any help that list users could offer in rectifying
>>> this matter, as the options to the signature function do not seem very
>>> extensive to do the trick.
>>> 
>>
>> I'd do a "show source" on the email in the Sent folder.
>>
>> - --
>> Ron Johnson, Jr.
>> Jefferson LA  USA
>>
>>   
> Thanks Ron. What am I looking for? I can see the logo correctly
> referenced, but I'm not sure what else I'd be looking for to really
> progress this intelligently.

Put the raw source on a web page, and then send us the link.

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Re: [Somewhat OT] Closed source software Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

[Michael C]

Chris Walters wrote:

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Michael C wrote:
| Hal Vaughan wrote:
|> On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
|>
|>> Hal Vaughan wrote:
|>>
|>>> On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
|>>>
| Ivan Savcic wrote:
|
|> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
|>
|> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>
|>> I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
|>> almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
|>> allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
|>> structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
|>> preventing people from using the software they want.
|>>
|> I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a
|> purist, he dreams to banish all closed source from this world.
|> Like Hal pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no
|> freedom when it comes to choosing freedom itself.
|>
|> Ivan
|>
| RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally objects
| to distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in their
| repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this implicitly
| advocates the use of non-free software, whilst explicitly
| advocating GPL-licensed software for use in conjunction with that
| ultimate proprietary platform, MS Windows:
| http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
|
|>>> I think what RMS objects to is anything that was not his idea
|>>> first.
|>>>
|>>> Hal
|>>>
|>> Honi soit qui mal y pense!
|>>
|>
|> Merde!
|>
|> Granted that's just my opinion, based on what I've read and less than
|> 2 1/2 hours at one of his talks (including some time talking to him
|> afterwards), so I could be way off base, but I did get the sense that
|> his world definitely starts and ends with his own views -- and
|> basically contains only his views.
|>
|>
|>> The FSF's list curiously doesn't mention the GNU Foundation's support
|>> for the Win32 port of emacs and gcc:
|>> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
|>>
|>
|> I admire RMS and a lot of what he's done.  I'm currently working on
|> source for controlling an HD radio in C++ so I'm using gcc, based on
|> his earlier version and he did write emacs (isn't that an OS or
|> religion?).  That doesn't mean that I think he carries things too far.
|>
|> But then again, maybe it's that blindness and need of his to go too
|> far that has achieved what he has.
|>
|> Hal
|>
|
| FWIW, I don't have any particular problem with the notion -- 
implicit in
| Stallman's position -- that there's a set of positive political 
freedoms

| which *morally* override the permissive freedom to install proprietary
| software.

Ah, but there are many who would disagree with that position.  There 
was a
person who once said words to the effect that someone who will not 
fight for
freedom does not deserve it.  Then there are the UN Conventions on 
Human Rights
- - these state, basically, IIRC that the rights of the individual are 
more

important than any particular moral or political override.

The idea that using closed source software is morally wrong, it 
problematic, at

best, since:
1.  If you drive a car built after a certain point, you are using 
closed source
software (the computer that controls your engine, and the one that 
monitors

your acceleration and activates your airbag).
2.  If you use a cell phone, you are using closed source software (the 
ROM chip
set that controls the phone - i.e. finds the cell tower signals and 
locks on).
3.  If you use just about ANY computer, you are using closed source 
software
(various ROM and EPROM chips on the mainboard, and on any cards that 
you add on).
4.  If you use a television, you are using closed source software (the 
tuner

and various ROM chips).
5.  If you use pharmaceuticals, cleaning products, etc. you are, by 
proxy,

using closed source software (the software that controls the production
process, the software that the pharmacy uses to fill you prescription, 
and so on).


There's the rub. There are practical/political impediments to the
exercise of genuine software freedom (the whole panoply of patents, NDAs
etc.) which no software license, no matter how "progressive", could ever
hope to effectively combat. So it follows that if there's to be real
software freedom, it would have to be predicated on new and transformed
social, political and economic arrangements.

But Stallman's is a utopian position, because in place of concrete
political and economic analyses of capitalism, all he really has to
offer politically is vague talk about extending Free Software's moral
example into other social spheres.



I could go on, but I think I have made my point.

| What concerns me is that Richard, in common with many people
| half-seduced by their followers' portrayal of themselves as a
| prophet/guru figure, has stopped listening to anyone outside of his
|

Re: Xen in Etch, basic setup

[Steve Lamb]

On Fri, April 4, 2008 9:54 am, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 09:17:46AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Something in the process I am missing is.  I have to be missing
>> something since my configuration, especially this single ethernet
>> card test, should work.  I can't find any glaringly obvious
>> difference from the many examples I've seen and my configurations.
>> Thank you for discussing it with me, however, since sometimes just
>> having a sounding board will get the ol' synapses firing.  :)

I think there is something here.  Do you, or anyone, know if telling
Shorewall not to load in /etc/defaults/shorewall mean everything is wide
open or that it loads some set which only allows those interfaces with
routestopped to talk?  If it is the latter that might be the problem
since only eth0 and eth1 are in my shorewall configuration and neither
of those are actively in use under Dom0.

> what does your Dom0 /etc/network/interfaces look like?

> also, what about the output of route on various Doms?

I'll have to get back to you on these two in a few hours when I have
some time.

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apt-get errors

[hce]

Hi,

I guess somehow my apt list is collapsed. Please see following
sources.list and errors. I am not able to do apt-get install anymore.
Please how can I fix it?

deb http://packages.debian.org etch main contrib
deb-src http://packages.debian.org etch main contrib


# apt-get install php
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.debian.org
etch/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.debian.org
etch/contrib Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.debian.org
etch/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.debian.org
etch/contrib Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Couldn't find package php

# sudo apt-get update
Get:1 http://packages.debian.org etch Release.gpg
Get:2 http://packages.debian.org etch Release
Ign http://packages.debian.org etch Release
Get:3 http://packages.debian.org etch/main Packages
99% [3 Packages bzip2 0] [Waiting for headers]bzip2: (stdin) is not a
bzip2 file.
Err http://packages.debian.org etch/main Packages
  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
Get:4 http://packages.debian.org etch/contrib Packages
99% [4 Packages bzip2 0] [Waiting for headers]
1427B/s 0sbzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
Err http://packages.debian.org etch/contrib Packages
  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
Get:5 http://packages.debian.org etch/main Sources
99% [Waiting for headers]
1427B/s 0sbzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
Err http://packages.debian.org etch/main Sources
  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
Get:6 http://packages.debian.org etch/contrib Sources
99% [6 Sources bzip2 0]
1427B/s 0sbzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
Err http://packages.debian.org etch/contrib Sources
  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
Fetched 15.0kB in 8s (1747B/s)
Failed to fetch
http://packages.debian.org/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
Failed to fetch
http://packages.debian.org/dists/etch/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
Failed to fetch
http://packages.debian.org/dists/etch/main/source/Sources.bz2
Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
Failed to fetch
http://packages.debian.org/dists/etch/contrib/source/Sources.bz2
Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://packages.debian.org etch Release: The following
signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.debian.org
etch/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.debian.org
etch/contrib Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.

# apt-get install php
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.debian.org
etch/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.debian.org
etch/contrib Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Couldn't find package php

Thank you.

Jim


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Re: Evolution: Inserting image into signature block

[andy]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 04/04/08 13:40, andy wrote:
  

Hello

I am needing some assistance please on inserting images into an
Evolution outgoing email signature block. This concerns Evolution 2.6.3.
running on a GNU/Linux Debian Etch platform.

At present, I have constructed a signature block with the following
components: an image (digitised hand signature), above a text block of
name and job title, above a 2-celled table, with one cell containing the
image of the company's logo and the second, a text block with contact
details. HTML has been enabled.

In preview, all components are visible. While writing an email all
components are visible. Once the email has been sent, in the Sent
folder, all except the logo are visible (this is now seen as only a
place-holder). Feedback from recipients confirms that the results in the
Send folder are how the emails are received, with place-holders in the
place of company logo.

I have experimented with the image itself, opening it in Gimp and saving
it as - variously - a *.gif, a *.jpg, and now a *.png format. All
results are the same.

Google does yield some results about positions of signature block, but
AFAIK, nothing on the specifics of what I am experiencing. I am confused
as to why the digitised signature (a *.jpg) file is preserved but the
logo is not. Is this because it is within a table or is there another
more subtle reason.

I would appreciate any help that list users could offer in rectifying
this matter, as the options to the signature function do not seem very
extensive to do the trick.



I'd do a "show source" on the email in the Sent folder.

- --
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Jefferson LA  USA

  
Thanks Ron. What am I looking for? I can see the logo correctly 
referenced, but I'm not sure what else I'd be looking for to really 
progress this intelligently.


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Re: how to upgrade to a 64-bit mobo?

[Nuno Magalhães]

>  > 1. install the ASUS M2N-SLI into a new box and keep the old box.

If by that you mean having 2 computers instead of one... Sure, why
not? You can still mount your /home through the network. Try
debian-amd64 list as well.

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At last my built in card reader is supported (acer 5102 wlmi)

[Jabka Atu]

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Howdy,...


I own acer 5102 Almira (special -v is added) and at last there is
support few the card reader.

I used 2.6.24-1-mad64 kernel with sdhci model.

As far as i know this is the first kernel that support it out from the
box (2.6.22 didn't support it).


Where can i get the developer e-mail to send him a thank you note.


00:00.0 Host bridge: AS Technologies Inc RS480 Host Bridge (rev 10)
Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 009f
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium densely, latency 64

00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge (prog-if 00
[Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64
Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=64
I/O behind bridge: 9000-9fff
Memory behind bridge: c010-c01f
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: c800-cfff
Capabilities: [44] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed+
Capabilities: [b0] Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown
device 009f
Kernel modules: shpchp

00:04.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge (prog-if 00
[Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=03, sec-latency=0
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [58] Express Root Port (Slot-), MSI 00
Capabilities: [80] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit-
Queue=0/0 Enable-
Capabilities: [b0] Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 5950
Capabilities: [b8] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed+
Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting 
Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel 
Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
Kernel modules: shpchp

00:05.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge (prog-if 00
[Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=04, subordinate=05, sec-latency=0
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [58] Express Root Port (Slot-), MSI 00
Capabilities: [80] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit-
Queue=0/0 Enable-
Capabilities: [b0] Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 5950
Capabilities: [b8] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed+
Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting 
Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel 
Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
Kernel modules: shpchp

00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB Host
Controller (rev 80) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 009f
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 19
Memory at c0004000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [d0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit-
Queue=0/0 Enable-
Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
Kernel modules: ohci-hcd

00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB Host
Controller (rev 80) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 009f
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 19
Memory at c0005000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [d0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit-
Queue=0/0 Enable-
Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
Kernel modules: ohci-hcd

00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB2 Host
Controller (rev 80) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 009f
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 19
Memory at c0006000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [d0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit-
Queue=0/0 Enable-
Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
Kernel modules: ehci-hcd

00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 SMBus Controller (rev 83)
Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 009f
Flags: 66MHz, medium devsel
I/O ports at 8400 [size=16]
Memory at fed0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
Capabilities: [b0] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable- Fixed+
Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
Kernel modules: i2c-piix4

00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 IDE Controller
(rev 80) (prog-if 82 [Master PriP])
Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 009f
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
I/O ports at 01f0 [size=8]
I/O ports at 03f4 [size=1]
I/O ports at 0170 [size=8]
I/O ports at 0374 [size=1]
I/O ports at 8410 [size=16]
Capabilities: [70] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit-
Queue=0/0 Enable-
Kernel driver in use: ATIIXP_IDE
Kernel modules: ata_generic, generic, atiixp

00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition
Audio Controller (rev 01)
Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 009f
Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16

Re: Sendmail configuration

[Andrius]

s. keeling wrote:

Andrius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

 T o n g wrote:


On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:17:51 -0700, Richard A Nelson wrote:
  
  

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 03:21:17 am Andrius wrote:



how to configure Sendmail to send a messages through ISP SMTP server?
  

Install sendmail-doc and check /usr/share/doc/sendmail/cf.README.gz
for SMART_HOST  ( define(`SMART_HOST', `')dnl )

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Paul Johnson wrote:


It's probably best to avoid sendmail if you're new to setting up email and go
with the debian default of exim instead.
  

I'll assume you were trying to be helpful (and simply failed), and not
trying to start another MTA pissing contest.


Quite agree. The OP asked for Sendmail, so let's keep our focus on
Sendmail, instead of launching religious war each time. In fact, when the
ISP SMTP server need encrypted authentication, I just can't get exim to
work, despite googling and asking for help in various channels including
this mlist. When swithed back to Sendmail, I found the answer just by
googling, without a single question asked.

Andrius, if you don't know what to next after Richard's step, here is a
short guide:

http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/conn/mail/sendmail/sndm06-SendmailSmartHostConfiguration/index.html#Sendmail_Smart_Host
  
 Thank you. The bat book now is on my table. Very interesting thing is 
 Sendmail.



Enjoy the ride.  That book's a great read.  I suggest you supplement
it with a peruse of tldp.org as well.  Rick Moen's linuxmafia.com has
some very interesting and at times detailed (config-ish) reading IME.  



[Well, not like Tolstoy (et al), but you know what I mean.]
  
The stuff is working, that is most important. Perhaps Debian kicked-off 
Sendmail only because difficulties to configure.

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Re: What are these folders in home?

[Claudius Hubig]

Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 08:50:01AM -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
>> paragasu wrote:
>> 
>> > AFAIK,
>> > you can delete all files in $HOME directory. especially the hidden files.
>> > the worst you will get is you lost some setting of the program. But you
>> > can login
>> > just fine.
>> > 
>> 
>> One has to be careful. For example, Kmail (from KDE) uses .kde to store all
>> the mail. If some one deletes the .kde directory thinking that it is just a
>> bunch of rc files they would be in for a nice surprise.
>
>Same goes for .sylpheed .sylpheed-claws and probably other mail clients.

.claws-mail (what it is called in testing) actually only contains the
news messages and configuration files since it's possible to save
your "real" emails somewhere else.

Therefore, I wouldn't say that the same goes for Claws-Mail, too.

Greetings,

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lost SD card with newer kernels

[Ernst Doubt]

I have a 2.6.18 (self-compiled) kernel that I can use to successfully mount
an SD card from my camera, but when I built a newer, more trimmed down
kernel, my SD card access is no longer available.  I thought I had enabled
all the correct hardware options, but apparently I've missed something.

My config is at http://pastebin.com/m9d3c9ea

This is a Dell Precision M90 that's running sid.  The kernels I'm building
are from kernel.org and I'm not using debian-specific tools for that part.

   thanks in advance for any help,
  -ed

Wireless networking, building an AP using WG311T

[andreas]

Hello.

I bought a Netgear WG311T not long ago and I am trying to set it up to become 
an access point for my other machines.
So far I have failed though, using a Windows XP machine I can detect the 
network but fails to connect.

Despite furious googling I have found no solution but I hope someone here can 
spot something in my steps and setup I may have missed;



1) Install the madwifi module

 apt-get update
 apt-get install madwifi-source
 apt-get install madwifi-tools
 m-a prepare
 m-a a-i madwifi


2) Create '/etc/modprobe.d/madwifi'

 options ath_pci autocreate=ap countrycode=752 outdoor=0


3) Loaded module 'ath_pci'

 modprobe ath_pci

Output of 'dmesg'

 ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
 ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
 wlan: 0.9.4
 ath_pci: 0.9.4
 ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:0e.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 20
 ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.4)
 wifi0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps
 wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 
36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
 wifi0: turboG rates: 6Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
 wifi0: H/W encryption support: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP
 wifi0: mac 7.9 phy 4.5 radio 5.6
 wifi0: Use hw queue 1 for WME_AC_BE traffic
 wifi0: Use hw queue 0 for WME_AC_BK traffic
 wifi0: Use hw queue 2 for WME_AC_VI traffic
 wifi0: Use hw queue 3 for WME_AC_VO traffic
 wifi0: Use hw queue 8 for CAB traffic
 wifi0: Use hw queue 9 for beacons
 wifi0: Atheros 5212: mem=0xf300, irq=20


4) Edit '/etc/network/interfaces'

#auto ath0
iface ath0 inet static
 pre-up /etc/network/ath0_preup
 post-down wlanconfig ath0 destroy
 #
 address 192.168.1.1
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 broadcast 192.168.1.255


5) Create '/etc/network/ath0_preup'

 wlanconfig ath0 destroy > /dev/null 2>&1
 wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode ap bssid
 ifconfig ath0 up
 iwconfig ath0 essid SesameStreet
 iwconfig ath0 mode Master
 iwconfig ath0 rate auto
 iwconfig ath0 key 9876-5432-10
 iwconfig ath0 txpower 8


6) Create '/etc/network/ath0_postdown'

 wlanconfig ath0 destroy > /dev/null 2>&1


7) Start the interface 'ath0'

  ifup ath0


8) Edit '/etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf'

interface=ath0
driver=madwifi
logger_syslog=-1
logger_syslog_level=2
logger_stdout=-1
logger_stdout_level=2
debug=0
dump_file=/tmp/hostapd.dump
ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd
ctrl_interface_group=0
hw_mode=g
ssid=SesameStreet
auth_algs=3
ignore_broadcast_ssid=0
eapol_key_index_workaround=0
eap_server=0
wpa=3
wpa_passphrase=0123456789012
wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
wpa_pairwise=TKIP CCMP


9) Start 'hostapd'

Enable hostapd in '/etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf' and start it;

  /etc/init.d/hostapd restart




It feels a bit like buying a WG311T was a bad idea, and I am considering maybe 
trying another brand.

Thank you in advance for any pointers or hints.

// Andreas



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pc compatibility

[remigio]

Hello,
I'd like to buy an Acer Aspire m1610 for a very convenient low price,
but before this I want to know the Debian Etch compatibility on this
pc. Have someone  had an experience in this way?
Thanks very much.

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Re: belkin wireless PCI card

[Angus Auld]

--- Alle Meije Wink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Since my computer moved inside my house, I rely on a
> Belkin "G+" 802.11g 
> Network card (that's all it says on the box).
> 
> Used as I am to debian just starting DHCP without a
> problem, I didn't 
> know what to do when the network did not appear.
> 
> Is this easy to add to my existing configuration?
> I'm hopeful because 
> when I installed Ubuntu (sort-of Debian) on an old
> 486-based laptop the 
> other day, wireless worked out of the box.
> 
> No idea where to start though?
> 
> Does anyone know a how-to, or just a program/script
> to make this work?
> 
> MAny thanks
> Alle Meije Wink
Here is a Debian Reference that has proved helpful to
me when configing a wireless.
(Scroll down about halfway and you will find wireless
info).

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html

HTH. Best regards.

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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Mark Allums]

Hal Vaughan wrote:
stay alive.  Some, those generally at the lower levels of Piaget's 
Hierarchy of Needs, will say survival is important while those focused 
on the higher levels (focused on self actualization) where, since it's 


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Re: Question about sendmail

[Celejar]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:18:17 -0400
Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 02:53:13AM -0700, Pete Kay wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Dear all,
> >  
> > I am looking for a solution to perform specific tasks based on email 
> > received. 
> > So, when emails of specific Send-to address arrives to my mail server, I 
> > would
> > like to kick off certain scripts.  Can anyone tell me how to do that?
> >  
> > Thanks alot in advance for all your suggestion. 
> >  
> > Regards,
> > Pete
> procmail comes to mind. It can redirect mail, forward mail, run scripts,
> and feed the cat!

And see also maildrop.

> -K

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Re: Debian on Sun LDoms?

[Sven Hoexter]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 11:59:29AM -0500, JW wrote:
> I asked this on the SPAC list and didn't get an answer:
> 
> I'm testing out a Sun T1000 with LDoms and want to try running Debian in a 
> guest domain. I'm not able to find any information about running Debian under 
> LDoms with google, although I did find some pages talking about running 
> Ubuntu in an LDom - Sun only specifies that "Linux" can be used.
> 
> Has anyone tried this with Debian?

There were some posts on planet.d.o some time ago.

http://planet.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=sun+ldom&submit=Go

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Re: [Somewhat OT] Closed source software Was [Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]]

[Chris Walters]

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Michael C wrote:
| Hal Vaughan wrote:
|> On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
|>
|>> Hal Vaughan wrote:
|>>
|>>> On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
|>>>
| Ivan Savcic wrote:
|
|> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
|>
|> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>
|>> I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
|>> almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
|>> allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
|>> structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
|>> preventing people from using the software they want.
|>>
|> I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a
|> purist, he dreams to banish all closed source from this world.
|> Like Hal pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no
|> freedom when it comes to choosing freedom itself.
|>
|> Ivan
|>
| RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally objects
| to distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in their
| repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this implicitly
| advocates the use of non-free software, whilst explicitly
| advocating GPL-licensed software for use in conjunction with that
| ultimate proprietary platform, MS Windows:
| http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
|
|>>> I think what RMS objects to is anything that was not his idea
|>>> first.
|>>>
|>>> Hal
|>>>
|>> Honi soit qui mal y pense!
|>>
|>
|> Merde!
|>
|> Granted that's just my opinion, based on what I've read and less than
|> 2 1/2 hours at one of his talks (including some time talking to him
|> afterwards), so I could be way off base, but I did get the sense that
|> his world definitely starts and ends with his own views -- and
|> basically contains only his views.
|>
|>
|>> The FSF's list curiously doesn't mention the GNU Foundation's support
|>> for the Win32 port of emacs and gcc:
|>> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
|>>
|>
|> I admire RMS and a lot of what he's done.  I'm currently working on
|> source for controlling an HD radio in C++ so I'm using gcc, based on
|> his earlier version and he did write emacs (isn't that an OS or
|> religion?).  That doesn't mean that I think he carries things too far.
|>
|> But then again, maybe it's that blindness and need of his to go too
|> far that has achieved what he has.
|>
|> Hal
|>
|
| FWIW, I don't have any particular problem with the notion -- implicit in
| Stallman's position -- that there's a set of positive political freedoms
| which *morally* override the permissive freedom to install proprietary
| software.

Ah, but there are many who would disagree with that position.  There was a
person who once said words to the effect that someone who will not fight for
freedom does not deserve it.  Then there are the UN Conventions on Human Rights
- - these state, basically, IIRC that the rights of the individual are more
important than any particular moral or political override.

The idea that using closed source software is morally wrong, it problematic, at
best, since:
1.  If you drive a car built after a certain point, you are using closed source
software (the computer that controls your engine, and the one that monitors
your acceleration and activates your airbag).
2.  If you use a cell phone, you are using closed source software (the ROM chip
set that controls the phone - i.e. finds the cell tower signals and locks on).
3.  If you use just about ANY computer, you are using closed source software
(various ROM and EPROM chips on the mainboard, and on any cards that you add 
on).
4.  If you use a television, you are using closed source software (the tuner
and various ROM chips).
5.  If you use pharmaceuticals, cleaning products, etc. you are, by proxy,
using closed source software (the software that controls the production
process, the software that the pharmacy uses to fill you prescription, and so 
on).

I could go on, but I think I have made my point.

| What concerns me is that Richard, in common with many people
| half-seduced by their followers' portrayal of themselves as a
| prophet/guru figure, has stopped listening to anyone outside of his
| coterie of sycophants.

I cannot disagree with this.

Chris
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belkin wireless PCI card

[Alle Meije Wink]

Hi,

Since my computer moved inside my house, I rely on a Belkin "G+" 802.11g 
Network card (that's all it says on the box).


Used as I am to debian just starting DHCP without a problem, I didn't 
know what to do when the network did not appear.


Is this easy to add to my existing configuration? I'm hopeful because 
when I installed Ubuntu (sort-of Debian) on an old 486-based laptop the 
other day, wireless worked out of the box.


No idea where to start though?

Does anyone know a how-to, or just a program/script to make this work?

MAny thanks
Alle Meije Wink


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Re: Evolution: Inserting image into signature block

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/04/08 13:40, andy wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I am needing some assistance please on inserting images into an
> Evolution outgoing email signature block. This concerns Evolution 2.6.3.
> running on a GNU/Linux Debian Etch platform.
> 
> At present, I have constructed a signature block with the following
> components: an image (digitised hand signature), above a text block of
> name and job title, above a 2-celled table, with one cell containing the
> image of the company's logo and the second, a text block with contact
> details. HTML has been enabled.
> 
> In preview, all components are visible. While writing an email all
> components are visible. Once the email has been sent, in the Sent
> folder, all except the logo are visible (this is now seen as only a
> place-holder). Feedback from recipients confirms that the results in the
> Send folder are how the emails are received, with place-holders in the
> place of company logo.
> 
> I have experimented with the image itself, opening it in Gimp and saving
> it as - variously - a *.gif, a *.jpg, and now a *.png format. All
> results are the same.
> 
> Google does yield some results about positions of signature block, but
> AFAIK, nothing on the specifics of what I am experiencing. I am confused
> as to why the digitised signature (a *.jpg) file is preserved but the
> logo is not. Is this because it is within a table or is there another
> more subtle reason.
> 
> I would appreciate any help that list users could offer in rectifying
> this matter, as the options to the signature function do not seem very
> extensive to do the trick.

I'd do a "show source" on the email in the Sent folder.

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Re: --OMG_OPTIMIZED

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/04/08 14:46, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Fri, April 4, 2008 11:57 am, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Is there a problem with that?  (I must not be understanding your
>> point...)
> 
> Nope.  The message I was responding to had responded to Paul stating
> that there is a 1-2% increase, measurable by the tools cited, if one
> compiled all programs and libraries for the specific architecture they
> will be running on.  This was after Paul pointed out that selected
> applications are already compiled for targeted platforms if they get a
> significant speed boost but that a total targeted compile for all of
> Debian would be a waste of DD time and mirror space for the negligible
> increase.
> 
> My point was that the 1-2% measurable increase from compiling the rest
> of programs and libraries that are not currently targeted compiled would
> probably be measured in idle time since most programs and most libraries
> are doing just that these days.  Just because 1-2% can be measured from
> an overall targeted compile does not mean it is meaningful in real world
> cases.

Oh, ok.  Then I totally agree with you.

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Re: Starting Evolution with work-online enabled [SOLVED]

[Robin]

On 04/04/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:46:09AM +0100, Robin wrote:
> > On 04/04/2008, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
>
>
> ...
>
>
> > > Resolved problem: apt-get remove network-manager
> > >
>
>
> there seem to be more and more posts that end this way...
>
> ...
>
> >
> > Package should be renamed network-mangler:)
>
>
> indeed. I wonder if this is just something unique to debian's package
> or a general problem with n-m? Or is it more a problem with the level
> of sophistication of users on this list? They are sophisticated enough
> to break n-m in previously unforeseen ways...
>
>
> A
>
>
>
I have a spare partition I use to try out other distros. Fedora, Pclinux OS,
Ubuntu and Sabayon installed over the last couple of months, and n-m has
never worked with my amd64-smp setup.


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Re: Debian on Sun LDoms?

[JW]

On Friday 04 April 2008 13:40:14 Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 04/04/08 11:59, JW wrote:
> > I'm testing out a Sun T1000 with LDoms and want to try running Debian in
> > a guest domain. I'm not able to find any information about running Debian
> > under LDoms with google, although I did find some pages talking about
> > running Ubuntu in an LDom - Sun only specifies that "Linux" can be used.
> >
> > Has anyone tried this with Debian?
> >
> > Anyone know if it's possible, or have any other information about it?
>
> Shouldn't the same info about Ubuntu apply to Debian?

That depends (I think the answer is "No") - exactly what info are you 
referring to? 

At this time, as best I can tell the Linux distro that is going to be 
installed needs to have some specific features (I guess at the kernel level) 
in order to run inside the LDom host. It's not like VMWare, where the host 
can run any generic PC OS because it's a full emulator. 

The client OS has to have the support for the Sun virtual hardware, at the 
very least.

Sun specifically says that Ubuntu and Gento are able to run as an LDoms guest.

I found some references to the fact that Ubuntu "Gusty" is able to run in the 
guest -- apparently "out of the box". I haven't read maybe Ubuntu-specific 
details yet.

Again, my question is; has anyone done this with Debian?

Thanks,

JW

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Re: What are these folders in home?

[Dotan Cohen]

On 04/04/2008, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just move all the $HOME stuff out of the way, and see what happens.  If
>  you see that something important is gone, file movement is
>  reversible :).

Important stuff like .kde I knew not to touch, but the ones that I did
not know about I asked here. Simply erasing things was not my only
intention, I also wanted to learn more about the system, so I probably
should have stated that.

I still don't know what these are, if someone can enlighten me:

~/.mcop/
~/.wapi/ (from gooling this seems to be a Mac folder?!?)
~/.crash_report_checksum
~/.crash_report_frames
~/.crash_report_preview
~/.dmrc (something to do with Compiz?)
~/.esd_auth (it seems to be binary)
~/.ICEauthority
~/.msoprc

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
> >> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >>> On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
>  Ivan Savcic wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
> >> almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom
> >> of allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within
> >> the structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free
> >> than preventing people from using the software they want.
> >
> > I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a
> > purist, he dreams to banish all closed source from this world.
> > Like Hal pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no
> > freedom when it comes to choosing freedom itself.
> >
> > Ivan
> 
>  RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally
>  objects to distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in
>  their repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this
>  implicitly advocates the use of non-free software, whilst
>  explicitly advocating GPL-licensed software for use in
>  conjunction with that ultimate proprietary platform, MS Windows:
>  http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
> >>>
> >>> I think what RMS objects to is anything that was not his idea
> >>> first.
> >>>
> >>> Hal
> >>
> >> Honi soit qui mal y pense!
> >
> > Merde!
> >
> > Granted that's just my opinion, based on what I've read and less
> > than 2 1/2 hours at one of his talks (including some time talking
> > to him afterwards), so I could be way off base, but I did get the
> > sense that his world definitely starts and ends with his own views
> > -- and basically contains only his views.
> >
> >> The FSF's list curiously doesn't mention the GNU Foundation's
> >> support for the Win32 port of emacs and gcc:
> >> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
> >
> > I admire RMS and a lot of what he's done.  I'm currently working on
> > source for controlling an HD radio in C++ so I'm using gcc, based
> > on his earlier version and he did write emacs (isn't that an OS or
> > religion?).  That doesn't mean that I think he carries things too
> > far.
> >
> > But then again, maybe it's that blindness and need of his to go too
> > far that has achieved what he has.
> >
> > Hal
>
> FWIW, I don't have any particular problem with the notion -- implicit
> in Stallman's position -- that there's a set of positive political
> freedoms which *morally* override the permissive freedom to install
> proprietary software.

I see the point, but don't agree completely with it.  There are what I 
consider sound reasons for closed source software and any person or 
company can always elect to not use it.

> What concerns me is that Richard, in common with many people
> half-seduced by their followers' portrayal of themselves as a
> prophet/guru figure, has stopped listening to anyone outside of his
> coterie of sycophants.

I cannot disagree with that.

Hal


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Re: Starting Evolution with work-online enabled [SOLVED]

[Celejar]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:23:11 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:46:09AM +0100, Robin wrote:
> > On 04/04/2008, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> 
> ...
> 
> > > Resolved problem: apt-get remove network-manager
> > >
> 
> there seem to be more and more posts that end this way...
> 
> ...
> > 
> > Package should be renamed network-mangler:)
> 
> indeed. I wonder if this is just something unique to debian's package
> or a general problem with n-m? Or is it more a problem with the level
> of sophistication of users on this list? They are sophisticated enough
> to break n-m in previously unforeseen ways...

I have never used NM, since I'm a Linux-geek wannabe who assumes that
GUIs are automatically evil, but I have been quite struck by the fact
that some of the bcm43xx / b43 devs seem to consider it their preferred
method of managing their wireless subsystems, and those guys surely
know wireless as well as anyone.  I believe I have seen Larry Finger
(one of those devs), write strongly in its favor, although at the
moment all I find is this comment of his [0]:

You will find NetworkManager to be a very nice way to connect.

I'm cc'ing him; perhaps he can shed some light on the issue.

[0] https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bcm43xx-dev/2007-July/004949.html

> A

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Re: --OMG_OPTIMIZED

[Steve Lamb]

On Fri, April 4, 2008 11:57 am, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Is there a problem with that?  (I must not be understanding your
> point...)

Nope.  The message I was responding to had responded to Paul stating
that there is a 1-2% increase, measurable by the tools cited, if one
compiled all programs and libraries for the specific architecture they
will be running on.  This was after Paul pointed out that selected
applications are already compiled for targeted platforms if they get a
significant speed boost but that a total targeted compile for all of
Debian would be a waste of DD time and mirror space for the negligible
increase.

My point was that the 1-2% measurable increase from compiling the rest
of programs and libraries that are not currently targeted compiled would
probably be measured in idle time since most programs and most libraries
are doing just that these days.  Just because 1-2% can be measured from
an overall targeted compile does not mean it is meaningful in real world
cases.

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Re: What are these folders in home?

[Celejar]

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:34:26 +0200
"Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 31/03/2008, paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > AFAIK,
> > you can delete all files in $HOME directory. especially the hidden files.
> > the worst you will get is you lost some setting of the program. But you can
> > login just fine.
> 
> That's what I figured, but:
> 
> > be careful. ;)
> 
> That's why I ask!

Just move all the $HOME stuff out of the way, and see what happens.  If
you see that something important is gone, file movement is
reversible :).

> Dotan Cohen

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Re: What are these folders in home?

[Celejar]

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:08:47 +0300
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 08:50:01AM -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> > paragasu wrote:
> > 
> > > AFAIK,
> > > you can delete all files in $HOME directory. especially the hidden files.
> > > the worst you will get is you lost some setting of the program. But you
> > > can login
> > > just fine.
> > > 
> > 
> > One has to be careful. For example, Kmail (from KDE) uses .kde to store all
> > the mail. If some one deletes the .kde directory thinking that it is just a
> > bunch of rc files they would be in for a nice surprise.
> 
> Same goes for .sylpheed .sylpheed-claws and probably other mail clients.

My Sylpheed (currently 2.5.0beta1 on Sid, but I believe it's been like
this for a while) stores mail by default in ~/Mail, not
under ~/.sylpheed*, although there is some important stuff in the
latter location(s), most notably the addressbooks.

> Regards,
> Andrei

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Re: HP/Compaq dv6700z notebook

[Celejar]

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:56:59 -0400 (EDT)
ISHWAR RATTAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I am inclined to buy the above notebook:
>-- the wireless is listed as Wireless LAN
>   802.11 a/b/g/n and Bluetooth
>-- I am not sure if Linux has a driver

Not enough information; we need to know the chipsets.  I believe,
though, that almost any wireless HW will run these days with
ndiswrapper.  I don't know about bluetooth, but USB adaptors, which are
supported perfectly by linux, were available quite cheaply on ebay, at
least as of a month ago.

> -ishwar

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Re: server security :: user accounts, ssh, passphrases, etc.

[Celejar]

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:23:34 -0500
Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> When using public key auth, copy *only* your public key to the server.
> (ssh-copy-id is a handy way to automate this.)  So long as your private
> key remains secure, there is very little risk to an attacker getting
> their hands on the public key - that's kind of the point of public key
> crypto, after all.  Unless they take the time to successfully factor the
> public key, there is no way it can be used to attack your systems; the
> worst they could do with it is grant you access to their server and run
> a keylogger there.

And IIUC, that's what ~/.ssh/known_hosts is all about; if an attacker's
machine presents your public key to you, ssh will give you a scary
warning about the IP / public key mismatch.

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Re: number of users accessing a wireless network

[Celejar]

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:54:29 +1100
Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> 
> Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:12:33 +1100
> > Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
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> >> Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> >>> My current network configuration is
> >>>
> >>> ISP --> wireless router ---> comp1
> >>> ---> comp2
> >>> ---> comp3
> >>>
> >>> The wireless router is wrt54g. The computers might be running Debian, M$
> >>> etc., Is it possible to figure out the number of users and IP addresses of
> >>> active connections served by the router?
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>> raju
> >> put them all in the same subnet (ie 192.168.0.128-255) and then nmap -sS
> >> - -PN 192.168.0.128/25 | grep [uU][Pp]
> > 
> > IIUC, this will only work for machines that are listening on at least
> > one open port.  BTW, isn't -sS the default?
> > 
> > Celejar
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> > 
> no, -sS is a syn stealth it throws SYN packets out of sequence hoping to
> elicit a RST from the server since it hadn't ACK or ACK/SYN'd.

A SYN / stealth scan, which is, as I wrote, the nmap default, has
nothing to do with throwing packets out of sequence; it sends SYN
packets, which are the perfectly legitimate beginnings of standard
TCP three way handshakes.  The SYN scan is called a half-open scan,
because the attacker never completes the three way handshake, but
that's not why RSTs are received in reply; the TCP stack is indeed
supposed to reply with a RST if nothing is listening on the port (the
port is 'closed').

> Anyway it requires root to do.
> 
> Also the -sS negates the need for them to be listening, really they just

Both the SYN (-sS) and the TCP connect (-sT) scans will receive RSTs
from closed ports; for our purposes there's not much difference between
them.

> need to be a running a not particularly stealthy os, windows will get
> picked up from the 130's where netbios sits, and only some hardened

Of course it will; those ports are open!  My mail asked about systems
without open ports.  Additionally, even Windows systems can easily be
hidden with personal firewalls.

> kernels don't get picked up by -sS

Any system that simply drops incoming packets, without replying with
RSTs, will be invisible to the sort of port scanning you describe.  A
simple personal firewall will do exactly that, often by default.
[Shorewall doesn't stealth ident / auth (TCP 113) by default.]  In any
event, if you have anything listening on any port being scanned, you
will be seen; if you don't, and your system is configured to silently
drop incoming packets to closed ports, you won't.  It doesn't really
depend on any exotic hardening of the kernel, unless by hardening you
inclued a standard iptables based firewall.  I am aware, BTW, of the
heated debate as to whether there's any real security gain by
stealthing all ports.

My original mail was inaccurate, though.  The RSTs will reveal the
existence of systems even without open ports, as long as they are not
firewalled.

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Re: Evolution: Inserting image into signature block

[andy]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 04/04/08 13:40, andy wrote:
  

Hello

I am needing some assistance please on inserting images into an
Evolution outgoing email signature block. This concerns Evolution 2.6.3.
running on a GNU/Linux Debian Etch platform.

At present, I have constructed a signature block with the following
components: an image (digitised hand signature), above a text block of
name and job title, above a 2-celled table, with one cell containing the
image of the company's logo and the second, a text block with contact
details. HTML has been enabled.



That's really Bad Form.

Well, in the text world it's really Bad Form.  Maybe in the Outlook
world it's not Bad Form.

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what someone wants and I would like to be able to provide for that wish 
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away from all things MS. I figured I'd start with the platform and the 
apps and work up to the netiquette later!


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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Michael C]

Hal Vaughan wrote:

On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
  

Hal Vaughan wrote:


On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
  

Ivan Savcic wrote:


On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
preventing people from using the software they want.


I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a
purist, he dreams to banish all closed source from this world.
Like Hal pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no
freedom when it comes to choosing freedom itself.

Ivan
  

RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally objects
to distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in their
repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this implicitly
advocates the use of non-free software, whilst explicitly
advocating GPL-licensed software for use in conjunction with that
ultimate proprietary platform, MS Windows:
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html


I think what RMS objects to is anything that was not his idea
first.

Hal
  

Honi soit qui mal y pense!



Merde!

Granted that's just my opinion, based on what I've read and less than 2 
1/2 hours at one of his talks (including some time talking to him 
afterwards), so I could be way off base, but I did get the sense that 
his world definitely starts and ends with his own views -- and 
basically contains only his views.


  

The FSF's list curiously doesn't mention the GNU Foundation's support
for the Win32 port of emacs and gcc:
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html



I admire RMS and a lot of what he's done.  I'm currently working on 
source for controlling an HD radio in C++ so I'm using gcc, based on 
his earlier version and he did write emacs (isn't that an OS or 
religion?).  That doesn't mean that I think he carries things too far.


But then again, maybe it's that blindness and need of his to go too far 
that has achieved what he has.


Hal



FWIW, I don't have any particular problem with the notion -- implicit in
Stallman's position -- that there's a set of positive political freedoms
which *morally* override the permissive freedom to install proprietary
software.

What concerns me is that Richard, in common with many people
half-seduced by their followers' portrayal of themselves as a
prophet/guru figure, has stopped listening to anyone outside of his
coterie of sycophants.





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Suspend not working

[Frank]

I am running Sid using IceWm, not Gnome. Today for the first time ever I
tried suspending the computer from the GDM menu...but nothing happened. I
have auto login enabled so a few seconds later I was logged back in. Is
there some config files that have to be changed/adjusted for suspend to
work. I am running the stock 686 kernel, and very average hardware on an
Intel MB.

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Re: Evolution: Inserting image into signature block

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/04/08 13:40, andy wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I am needing some assistance please on inserting images into an
> Evolution outgoing email signature block. This concerns Evolution 2.6.3.
> running on a GNU/Linux Debian Etch platform.
> 
> At present, I have constructed a signature block with the following
> components: an image (digitised hand signature), above a text block of
> name and job title, above a 2-celled table, with one cell containing the
> image of the company's logo and the second, a text block with contact
> details. HTML has been enabled.

That's really Bad Form.

Well, in the text world it's really Bad Form.  Maybe in the Outlook
world it's not Bad Form.

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Re: --OMG_OPTIMIZED

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On 04/04/08 13:48, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Fri, April 4, 2008 11:33 am, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 04/04/08 12:27, Steve Lamb wrote:
>>> S, your machine was idling faster?  'round here CPU time is rarely
>>> a limiter.  In fact I'm messing around with setting up Xen to split up the
>>> functions of my main Linux box into 3 VMs.  It's a PIII 667Mhz machine.
> 
>> Mostly yes.  But certain number-crunching apps will really benefit
>> from subarch-dependent instructions.
> 
> Oh, I agree, but Paul covered that by pointing out that certain
> applications which would benefit from it already are compiled for
> different architectures.

Is there a problem with that?  (I must not be understanding your
point...)

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Re: --OMG_OPTIMIZED

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On Fri, April 4, 2008 11:33 am, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 04/04/08 12:27, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> S, your machine was idling faster?  'round here CPU time is rarely
>> a limiter.  In fact I'm messing around with setting up Xen to split up the
>> functions of my main Linux box into 3 VMs.  It's a PIII 667Mhz machine.

> Mostly yes.  But certain number-crunching apps will really benefit
> from subarch-dependent instructions.

Oh, I agree, but Paul covered that by pointing out that certain
applications which would benefit from it already are compiled for
different architectures.

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Re: Debian on Sun LDoms?

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On 04/04/08 11:59, JW wrote:
> I asked this on the SPAC list and didn't get an answer:
> 
> I'm testing out a Sun T1000 with LDoms and want to try running Debian in a 
> guest domain. I'm not able to find any information about running Debian under 
> LDoms with google, although I did find some pages talking about running 
> Ubuntu in an LDom - Sun only specifies that "Linux" can be used.
> 
> Has anyone tried this with Debian?
> 
> Anyone know if it's possible, or have any other information about it?

Shouldn't the same info about Ubuntu apply to Debian?

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Evolution: Inserting image into signature block

[andy]

Hello

I am needing some assistance please on inserting images into an 
Evolution outgoing email signature block. This concerns Evolution 2.6.3. 
running on a GNU/Linux Debian Etch platform.


At present, I have constructed a signature block with the following 
components: an image (digitised hand signature), above a text block of 
name and job title, above a 2-celled table, with one cell containing the 
image of the company's logo and the second, a text block with contact 
details. HTML has been enabled.


In preview, all components are visible. While writing an email all 
components are visible. Once the email has been sent, in the Sent 
folder, all except the logo are visible (this is now seen as only a 
place-holder). Feedback from recipients confirms that the results in the 
Send folder are how the emails are received, with place-holders in the 
place of company logo.


I have experimented with the image itself, opening it in Gimp and saving 
it as - variously - a *.gif, a *.jpg, and now a *.png format. All 
results are the same.


Google does yield some results about positions of signature block, but 
AFAIK, nothing on the specifics of what I am experiencing. I am confused 
as to why the digitised signature (a *.jpg) file is preserved but the 
logo is not. Is this because it is within a table or is there another 
more subtle reason.


I would appreciate any help that list users could offer in rectifying 
this matter, as the options to the signature function do not seem very 
extensive to do the trick.


TIA

Andy

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Re: how to upgrade to a 64-bit mobo?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/04/08 12:56, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> Millions(?) must have done this but googling left doubts.
> 
> I'm thinking of upgrading my EP-8VTAI 32-bit mobo to an ASUS M2N-SLI
> which is 64-bit.
> 
> I now run one Sid system that is pure i386.
> 
> What is best?
> 
> 1. install the ASUS M2N-SLI into a new box and keep the old box.
> 
> 2. install the ASUS M2N-SLI into the present box but then I have 4 HDD's
> with only 32-bit Sid.
> 
> Many must have faced this question. Pointers?

If your /home a "/data" directories not on the same partition as
/usr, then choose option (2) and do a fresh 64-bit install over the
32-bit directories.  Your data directories will (unless you screw
up) be safe.

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Re: --OMG_OPTIMIZED

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/04/08 12:27, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> difference compared to -O1 and i686 --mcpu/--march makes a difference
>> compared to i386. --fomit-frame-pointer also produced faster binaries.
> 
> S, your machine was idling faster?  'round here CPU time is rarely a
> limiter.  In fact I'm messing around with setting up Xen to split up the
> functions of my main Linux box into 3 VMs.  It's a PIII 667Mhz machine.

Mostly yes.  But certain number-crunching apps will really benefit
from subarch-dependent instructions.

> Maybe on a game rig that would help.  Probably not.  Games I get running
> in wine (or cedega) are normally within 3-5 frames of native.  That's
> probably the wine overhead more than anything else.
> 


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cupsys does not print

[Damon L. Chesser]

Two systems:  amd64 and i386.  Both ran Sid.  printer is networked with 
192.168.200.150.  Added printer via localhost:631 as a network (LPD) 
printer url is lpd://192.168.200.150/lpt1.


The printer comes to life, the data light blinks (Samsung ML-1430) then 
the server stops making noise but the data light keeps blinking.  No 
paper comes out.


re-installed i386 to stable, re-add the printer via gnome-cups-manager, 
tested, same results.  So this is not a Sid issue.


tested from a win box, prints fine.

tested from ubuntu live (thinking maybe the Hawkings tech. print server 
was going bad), prints fine.


This worked a month ago on Sid (amd64 box) before I test drove ubuntu.

I don't see any obvious bug reports.

I don't see a flood of messages coming across here.

Nothing in the cups error log: 

E [04/Apr/2008:14:04:57 -0400] PID 26233 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd) 
stopped with status 1!

E [04/Apr/2008:14:06:54 -0400] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
E [04/Apr/2008:14:19:57 -0400] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
E [04/Apr/2008:14:19:59 -0400] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized

all messages there are accounted for.

the print jobs just stays in the print spool.

All this is very strange.  I have not had this issue before (though I 
have had printing killed in sid, never in sid and stable).  What to do?





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Re: Why debian sucks! [was Re: Distributions]

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> 
> But mixing branches (stable, testing and unstable) is a no-no, because
> they depend on different versions of libraries.

People quite often mix testing and unstable.  Still, though, it's
easier to stay with one branch.

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Re: postfix multiple domain total solution.

[Michael Habashy]

thanks..that was it...great
i am still going throught this thing..will give you an update..when done.
thanks again.
mjh

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Ivan Savcic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Michael Habashy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi...I have been followign this tutorial suggest by Ivan on
> debian-users.
> >
> > http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
> > I seem to be getting this error that is making my life miserable...can
> > anyone assist 
> >  I am trying to setup multiple virtual domains email servers with
> > postfix/mysql/dovcat etc...
> >
> > thanks
> > mjh
> >
> >
> > Apr  4 12:42:57 rider postfix/virtual[14784]: fatal: bad string length 0
> <
> > 1: virtual_mailbox_base =
> >  Apr  4 12:42:58 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning: process
> > /usr/lib/postfix/virtual pid 14784 exit status 1
> > Apr  4 12:42:58 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning:
> > /usr/lib/postfix/virtual: bad command startup -- throttling
> >  Apr  4 12:43:58 rider postfix/virtual[14798]: fatal: bad string length
> 0 <
> > 1: virtual_mailbox_base =
> > Apr  4 12:43:59 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning: process
> > /usr/lib/postfix/virtual pid 14798 exit status 1
> >  Apr  4 12:43:59 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning:
> > /usr/lib/postfix/virtual: bad command startup -- thro
>
> Excellent, you spotted an error in the guide. The error above just
> says that you have the virtual_mailbox_base setting empty.
>
> The guide mentions:
>
> "(snip) virtual_mailbox_base directory which is unset by default. (snip)"
>
> It relies on it to be:
>
> virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/
>
> Try it, do tell how did it go.
>
> Ivan
>
>
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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
> >> Ivan Savcic wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> >>>
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
>  almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
>  allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
>  structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
>  preventing people from using the software they want.
> >>>
> >>> I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a
> >>> purist, he dreams to banish all closed source from this world.
> >>> Like Hal pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no
> >>> freedom when it comes to choosing freedom itself.
> >>>
> >>> Ivan
> >>
> >> RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally objects
> >> to distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in their
> >> repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this implicitly
> >> advocates the use of non-free software, whilst explicitly
> >> advocating GPL-licensed software for use in conjunction with that
> >> ultimate proprietary platform, MS Windows:
> >> http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
> >
> > I think what RMS objects to is anything that was not his idea
> > first.
> >
> > Hal
>
> Honi soit qui mal y pense!

Merde!

Granted that's just my opinion, based on what I've read and less than 2 
1/2 hours at one of his talks (including some time talking to him 
afterwards), so I could be way off base, but I did get the sense that 
his world definitely starts and ends with his own views -- and 
basically contains only his views.

> The FSF's list curiously doesn't mention the GNU Foundation's support
> for the Win32 port of emacs and gcc:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html

I admire RMS and a lot of what he's done.  I'm currently working on 
source for controlling an HD radio in C++ so I'm using gcc, based on 
his earlier version and he did write emacs (isn't that an OS or 
religion?).  That doesn't mean that I think he carries things too far.

But then again, maybe it's that blindness and need of his to go too far 
that has achieved what he has.

Hal


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how to upgrade to a 64-bit mobo?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,


Millions(?) must have done this but googling left doubts.

I'm thinking of upgrading my EP-8VTAI 32-bit mobo to an ASUS M2N-SLI 
which is 64-bit.


I now run one Sid system that is pure i386.

What is best?

1. install the ASUS M2N-SLI into a new box and keep the old box.

2. install the ASUS M2N-SLI into the present box but then I have 4 HDD's 
with only 32-bit Sid.


Many must have faced this question. Pointers?

Hugo


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Re: postfix multiple domain total solution.

[Ivan Savcic]

Argh, sorry, my bad: dovecot handles deliveries by itself; this
setting is therefore probably completely unnecessary in main.cf. But
to get Postfix not to complain about it, it either needs to be set to
correct directory, or removed completely.

(I based my previous assumption on my slightly modified configuration,
therefore it's not completely identical to the guide)

Ivan


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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Michael C]

Hal Vaughan wrote:

On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
  

Ivan Savcic wrote:


On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
preventing people from using the software they want.


I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a purist,
he dreams to banish all closed source from this world. Like Hal
pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no freedom when it
comes to choosing freedom itself.

Ivan
  

RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally objects to
distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in their
repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this implicitly
advocates the use of non-free software, whilst explicitly advocating
GPL-licensed software for use in conjunction with that ultimate
proprietary platform, MS Windows:
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html



I think what RMS objects to is anything that was not his idea first.

Hal


  

Honi soit qui mal y pense!

The FSF's list curiously doesn't mention the GNU Foundation's support 
for the Win32 port of emacs and gcc: 
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html




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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
> Ivan Savcic wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
> >> almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
> >> allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
> >> structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
> >> preventing people from using the software they want.
> >
> > I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a purist,
> > he dreams to banish all closed source from this world. Like Hal
> > pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no freedom when it
> > comes to choosing freedom itself.
> >
> > Ivan
>
> RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally objects to
> distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in their
> repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this implicitly
> advocates the use of non-free software, whilst explicitly advocating
> GPL-licensed software for use in conjunction with that ultimate
> proprietary platform, MS Windows:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html

I think what RMS objects to is anything that was not his idea first.

Hal


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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 11:42:47AM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Friday 04 April 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote:
> > > > AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and
> > > > truly free -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1]. He talked about
> > > > this in his talk he held in Belgrade, Serbia.
> > >
> > > I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
> > > almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
> > > allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
> > > structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
> > > preventing people from using the software they want.
> > >
> > > .02
> >
> > Another interesting note, from the same RMS talk.  Someone pointed
> > out that people had the freedom to choose so they should be able to
> > choose non-free if they want.  His response?  A person never has
> > the choice to be a slave.
>
> yeah, this is where RMS loses me. Don't get me wrong, I have immense
> respect for him and the work he does. But these kinds of statements
> are really difficult.

I would agree with you.  I know there are people who will starve rather 
than violate their beliefs, but I also wonder what he would do if he 
had a kid to feed and his choice was to program for a company that 
produces closed source software and not having a job.  From what I know 
of his life, I don't think he has ever been in a position where he had 
to make the tough ethical choices like that and I honestly do not think 
he understands such situations.  He has spent most of his life in the 
Ivory Tower and, like the Prince at the start of "The Prince and the 
Pauper," I think he has little understanding of the reality most people 
live on a day-to-day basis.

> I mean, I can think for a while and get what he's saying (I think):
> if a person is in a position where the only choice is to become a
> slave then they have not actually chosen to be a slave, but have
> merely been forced into it somehow.  

Now we're getting into existentialism.  (The more we get off topic, it 
seems, the more interesting things get so I'm sure a topic cop will be 
here any moment.)  You still have a choice, technically.  For instance, 
if someone holds a gun to your head and says, "Torture this suspect," 
some say, "I had no choice," but there is a choice: die as you are, 
with your morals and ethics intact, or violate your own integrity and 
stay alive.  Some, those generally at the lower levels of Piaget's 
Hierarchy of Needs, will say survival is important while those focused 
on the higher levels (focused on self actualization) where, since it's 
a pyramid, there are far fewer people, will say maintaining your sense 
of self and integrity is more important.  Many with religious views 
would agree with the latter as well.

So if it comes to freedom or slavery, you can still choose freedom.  It 
may mean, in a literal choice of slavery, execution or torture, but you 
can still make the choice to not act as a slave.

In software, that would mean you still have the choice to not use closed 
source software.  In my case making that choice would mean 1) Losing 
clients, 2) Having to either do my taxes by hand or hire an accountant 
(who will himself, use closed source software), and 3) No longer 
playing Myst.

I have to wonder about #2.  It would have been interesting to ask RMS 
who does his taxes.  If he pays an accountant to do them and that 
accountant is using proprietary software, I wonder how he'd respond to 
the charge that he's still using closed source by extension...

> I guess an example of this in 
> computing would be if I chose to use 3-d rendering on my system.
> Since I have an nvidia card then I currently have two choices
> (assuming I don't have the $ to go buy a new card):
>
> 1) choose to use the nvidia proprietary drivers
>
> or
>
> 2) choose to not use 3-d rendering.
>
> So in reality, I don't have choice and my decision is forced, hence,
> no freedom. And in that case I can agree with what he says (though he
> should spend more time trying to explain what he means instead of
> just hanging these things out there...).

But you do have a choice: Use 3d or not.  One you make the choice to use 
3D you are making the choice to use closed source.

> But what about a situation where there is a choice between multiple
> open and closed source software packages that each do the job well?
> What if the particular feature set I want is implemented in a
> particular way that I prefer by the closed source option? (or even, I
> just arbitrarily choose the closed source one for no real reason) In
> that case I am not forced to choose the closed source option, it
> merely happens to be the one I choose. I could just as validly choose
> the open source one and contirbute to the project in such a way that
> it suits my preference better

Re: postfix multiple domain total solution.

[Ivan Savcic]

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Ivan Savcic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Michael Habashy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Hi...I have been followign this tutorial suggest by Ivan on debian-users.
>  >
>  > http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
>  > I seem to be getting this error that is making my life miserable...can
>  > anyone assist 
>  >  I am trying to setup multiple virtual domains email servers with
>  > postfix/mysql/dovcat etc...
>  >
>  > thanks
>  > mjh
>  >
>  >
>  > Apr  4 12:42:57 rider postfix/virtual[14784]: fatal: bad string length 0 <
>  > 1: virtual_mailbox_base =
>  >  Apr  4 12:42:58 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning: process
>  > /usr/lib/postfix/virtual pid 14784 exit status 1
>  > Apr  4 12:42:58 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning:
>  > /usr/lib/postfix/virtual: bad command startup -- throttling
>  >  Apr  4 12:43:58 rider postfix/virtual[14798]: fatal: bad string length 0 <
>  > 1: virtual_mailbox_base =
>  > Apr  4 12:43:59 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning: process
>  > /usr/lib/postfix/virtual pid 14798 exit status 1
>  >  Apr  4 12:43:59 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning:
>  > /usr/lib/postfix/virtual: bad command startup -- thro
>
>  Excellent, you spotted an error in the guide. The error above just
>  says that you have the virtual_mailbox_base setting empty.
>
>  The guide mentions:
>
>  "(snip) virtual_mailbox_base directory which is unset by default. (snip)"
>
>  It relies on it to be:
>
>  virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/

Oh and, you have to create the directory /var/mail/, chown it to
postfix:mail and chmod it to 770.

Ivan


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Debian on Sun LDoms?

[JW]

I asked this on the SPAC list and didn't get an answer:

I'm testing out a Sun T1000 with LDoms and want to try running Debian in a 
guest domain. I'm not able to find any information about running Debian under 
LDoms with google, although I did find some pages talking about running 
Ubuntu in an LDom - Sun only specifies that "Linux" can be used.

Has anyone tried this with Debian?

Anyone know if it's possible, or have any other information about it?

Thanks,

JW

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Re: fixing .txt files sent from a MS$ user

[Mumia W..]

On 04/04/2008 10:47 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 11:39:55AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
My niece sends some of her schoolwork to my wife (e.g. essays) for her 
to read.  First she sent .doc files which I can't access properly (no, I 
do no run OO) although I could get the jist.  I then suggested that she 
send plain text.


I don't run any locales but have LANG=C.

Her plain-text files are fine, except that apostrophies (singel-quote) 
(') are replaced with "\222", opening quotes (") with "\223", and 
closing quotes (") with "\224".


Other than writing a python script, can someone give me a simple command 
to fix this so that it is not so distracting?  Ideally, I'd put it into 
an executable file and pipe the file through it on it's way to lpr.


e.g. 
$ cool-writing.txt | antiAJ | lpr -Pepson


Here is a sample line from one of the files:


inside. I’m tired of the term “Best Friends” because what does it

I see in vim that \222 is ~R, \223 is ~S, and \224 is ~T.  It is on the 
printout (lpd/apsfilter/enscript) that the numbers come out.


Thanks,

Doug.




That seems to be in Microsoft code page 1250 (cp1250). Install 'recode' 
and do this:


recode cp1250..ascii < email.txt

I hope that helps! :-)



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Re: postfix multiple domain total solution.

[Ivan Savcic]

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Michael Habashy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi...I have been followign this tutorial suggest by Ivan on debian-users.
>
> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
> I seem to be getting this error that is making my life miserable...can
> anyone assist 
>  I am trying to setup multiple virtual domains email servers with
> postfix/mysql/dovcat etc...
>
> thanks
> mjh
>
>
> Apr  4 12:42:57 rider postfix/virtual[14784]: fatal: bad string length 0 <
> 1: virtual_mailbox_base =
>  Apr  4 12:42:58 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning: process
> /usr/lib/postfix/virtual pid 14784 exit status 1
> Apr  4 12:42:58 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning:
> /usr/lib/postfix/virtual: bad command startup -- throttling
>  Apr  4 12:43:58 rider postfix/virtual[14798]: fatal: bad string length 0 <
> 1: virtual_mailbox_base =
> Apr  4 12:43:59 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning: process
> /usr/lib/postfix/virtual pid 14798 exit status 1
>  Apr  4 12:43:59 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning:
> /usr/lib/postfix/virtual: bad command startup -- thro

Excellent, you spotted an error in the guide. The error above just
says that you have the virtual_mailbox_base setting empty.

The guide mentions:

"(snip) virtual_mailbox_base directory which is unset by default. (snip)"

It relies on it to be:

virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/

Try it, do tell how did it go.

Ivan


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Re: --OMG_OPTIMIZED

[Steve Lamb]

> difference compared to -O1 and i686 --mcpu/--march makes a difference
> compared to i386. --fomit-frame-pointer also produced faster binaries.

S, your machine was idling faster?  'round here CPU time is rarely a
limiter.  In fact I'm messing around with setting up Xen to split up the
functions of my main Linux box into 3 VMs.  It's a PIII 667Mhz machine.

Maybe on a game rig that would help.  Probably not.  Games I get running
in wine (or cedega) are normally within 3-5 frames of native.  That's
probably the wine overhead more than anything else.

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Re: --OMG_OPTIMIZED

[Ivan Savcic]

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 04 April 2008 01:50:02 am Ivan Savcic wrote:
>  > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Chris Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>  > >  Hash: SHA512
>  > >
>  > >  Ivan Savcic wrote:
>  > >  | Sorry for that personal message, I misclicked. It wasn't aimed at you
>  > >  | specifically.
>  > >
>  > >  Apology accepted.  I am sure most everyone, myself included, has made
>  > > similar
>  > >  mistakes.
>  >
>  > Thanks.
>  >
>  > >  | When Debian Etch was released, I wanted to give Debian a shot again in
>  > >  | some server scenarios, because of it's stability, security and ease of
>  > >  | upgrading. I now deeply respect the concept of "stable", having been
>  > >  | through security-through-bleeding-edge concept of Gentoo, for example.
>  > >  | Long End of Life of stable Debian seems priceless. Yet, on the other
>  > >  | hand, Backports filled the gap caused by some oldish packages and in
>  > >  | general there are a lot of packages for people to use.
>  > >
>  > >  I remember the days of Sarge.  I used backports then, as well as
>  > > compiling source.  Why?  Is it that I have a lot of time on my hands?
>  > > No.  It is/was to
>  > >  streamline the package, and optimize it for my processor.  The main
>  > > problem with precompiled distros, IMHO, is that because the packages,
>  > > especially the
>  > >  kernel, have to run on a multitude of different systems, they tend to be
>  > > larger
>  > >  and slower than if you compile those packages, optimized for your
>  > > system.
>  >
>  > Luckily, there are AMD64 and IA64 flavors of Debian. Shame there
>  > aren't (stable?) versions for i686, Athlon and P3/P4.
>
>  Do you have evidence that would justify this thinking?  Debian already has
>  packages optimized for sub-architectures, but only for the packages it
>  actually makes a difference on.  Optimizing the entire distribution is a
>  waste of DD time, and mirror diskspace for truly epsilon gains.

Long time passed since I was messing around with that, but give it a
shot yourself with Acovea[1], or if you manage to fix it, ccbench[2].
Way back, on my Gentoo Linux, I have concluded that -O2 makes a
difference compared to -O1 and i686 --mcpu/--march makes a difference
compared to i386. --fomit-frame-pointer also produced faster binaries.

[1] http://www.coyotegulch.com/products/acovea/
[2] http://www.rocklinux.net/people/clifford/ccbench/ccbench-0.2.tar.bz2


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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Michael C]

Ivan Savcic wrote:

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost
assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of allowing the
user to choose to use non-free software within the structure of it's
packaging system. IMO that is more free than preventing people from
using the software they want.



I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a purist, he
dreams to banish all closed source from this world. Like Hal pointed
out, RMS believes that there should be no freedom when it comes to
choosing freedom itself.

Ivan



RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally objects to
distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in their
repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this implicitly
advocates the use of non-free software, whilst explicitly advocating
GPL-licensed software for use in conjunction with that ultimate
proprietary platform, MS Windows:
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html






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postfix multiple domain total solution.

[Michael Habashy]

Hi...I have been followign this tutorial suggest by Ivan on debian-users.
http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
I seem to be getting this error that is making my life miserable...can
anyone assist 
I am trying to setup multiple virtual domains email servers with
postfix/mysql/dovcat etc...

thanks
mjh


Apr  4 12:42:57 rider postfix/virtual[14784]: fatal: bad string length 0 <
1: virtual_mailbox_base =
Apr  4 12:42:58 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning: process
/usr/lib/postfix/virtual pid 14784 exit status 1
Apr  4 12:42:58 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning:
/usr/lib/postfix/virtual: bad command startup -- throttling
Apr  4 12:43:58 rider postfix/virtual[14798]: fatal: bad string length 0 <
1: virtual_mailbox_base =
Apr  4 12:43:59 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning: process
/usr/lib/postfix/virtual pid 14798 exit status 1
Apr  4 12:43:59 rider postfix/master[14549]: warning:
/usr/lib/postfix/virtual: bad command startup -- thro

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> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
>
> Works like a charm.
>
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Re: [OT] Need old Packages.gz and Release Files

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 03:35:57PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> I have had an accident on my Debian-Archiv-Server and  unfortunatly  the
> files "Packages.gz",  "Packages.bz2",  "Sources.gz",  "Sources.bz2"  and
> "Release" from the directories
> 
> /debian/dists/${RELEASE}/main/binary-${ARCH}/
> /debian/dists/${RELEASE}/main/sources/
> /debian/dists/${RELEASE}/contrib/binary-${ARCH}/
> /debian/dists/${RELEASE}/contrib/sources/
> /debian/dists/${RELEASE}/non-free/binary-${ARCH}/
> /debian/dists/${RELEASE}/non-free/sources/
> 
> deleted.  The special is, that I have ALL Releases where ${RELEASES}  is
> like:
> 
> potato: 2.2r0 bis 2.2r5 =>  6 Releases
> woody:  3.0r0 bis 3.0r6 =>  7 Releases
> sarge:  3.1r0 bis 3.1r7 =>  8 Releases
> etch:   4.0r0 bis 4.0r2 =>  3 Releases

Certainly archive.debian.org would have the last version of each release
(so 2.2r5, 3.0r6, etc).

> Does anyone has this files?  (e.g from the original CD's)

The CDs would have had seperate (and different) Packages.gz since there
would be one on each CD covering just what was on that CD.

> I have the ugencly need to restore several millionen Symlinks.
> 
> I need it urgently for the restore of  the  Archive-Server  (the  Raid-5
> is gone on Thursday 2008-03-27 because a damaged caused by water from  a
> neighbour)
> 
> Note1:  With the Archive-Mirroe I can install or restore ANY Release
> because I have all "binaries" and  "sources"  since  "SLINK"
> plus  partialy from "BUZZ", "REX", "BO" und "HAMM".
> 
> Note 2: The Archive-Server has currently seven Raid-5 of each fiveteen
> 300 GByte harddrives (=3600 GByte set) and with the release of
> Lenny I will hit the space limit  of  25  TByte.
> (Currently I have  no  sponsor  and  even  no  fixed  Internet
> connection, so I am definitivly Off-Line)

Neat project.  I am not sure why being able to install 3.0r3 rather than
3.0r6 is necesarily very useful, but it is neat to have the choice.

Unfortunate that debian of course only keeps the current version of a
release on their servers, and archive.debian.org only ever archives the
last version of a given release.

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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Ivan Savcic wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
> > almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
> > allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
> > structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
> > preventing people from using the software they want.
>
> I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a purist,
> he dreams to banish all closed source from this world. Like Hal
> pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no freedom when it
> comes to choosing freedom itself.

Personally I use very little closed source software.  I have two Windows 
partitions for testing software for my clients.  I use Java, but that's 
not closed anymore (depending on who you ask).  Other than that, I have 
been using TaxCut to do family taxes (which are too complex now, since 
my Father's death and estate issues, to do on my own).  To me that's a 
good example of what freedom is.  There just isn't a FOSS tax program 
that is as reliable as TaxCut (I know there's one, but that's the kind 
of program I'll consider a new release for at least 5 years due to the 
nature of that particular beast).  I have a choice of spending about 
$25 for TaxCut fed and state or paying an account many times that or 
doing it myself.  In that case I want the freedom to choose.  Using 
TaxCut provides me with more freedom than I lose by not being able to 
modify a program I don't want to modify anyway.

I also would hate to lose the freedom of being able to enjoy the one 
immersive game I've ever enjoyed: Myst.  I like the game and what 
they've done and don't care if it's closed source.  (Although I admit 
if it were FOSS, many more sequels would have been produced, but they 
might also be of low quality compared to the originals.)

Hal


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Re: Xen in Etch, basic setup

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 09:17:46AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Fri, April 4, 2008 7:51 am, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 01:09:09AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > I think it does make some difference in that I don't specify an IP, my
> > vif= lookslike this:
> 
> > dhcp = 'dhcp'
> > vif  = [ 'mac=aa:00:00:00:00:22, bridge=xenbrDMZ' ]
> 
> > but I use dhcp.
> 
> That'll be hard since the DomU is the one that's going to be running the
> DHCP server.  But later on in the message you agree that this is
> probably not it so we'll leave it at that.

yeah, I editted that several times and clearly munged it a bit.

> 
> > the other likely important bit is the made-up MAC
> > address for the virtual interface. That fake mac address becomes the
> > HwAddr in my DomU's ifconfig output. It looks to me like you are
> > passing a real mac address which would cause all kinds of problems, I
> > suspect.
> 
> Nope.  From :
> "It's recommended to use a MAC address inside the range 00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx.
> This address range is reserved for use by Xen."

heh. whoops.

> 
> The MAC address I'm passing to DomU, 00:16:3E:BA:17:79, was generated by
> xen-tools when the image was created and is within the range suggested
> by Xen.
> 
> > the bridge will *not* end up with an IP. It will have a funcky hwaddr
> > like FE:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF and that's it. The bridge just connects
> > different ends of virtual interfaces and is not an interface itself,
> > per se.***
> 
> I'll double check that.  I think the bridge ending up with the IP was
> the result of me really munging something somewhere.  I tried it again
> later in the evening and did not get the same results.
> 
> > I have a working, 3 DomU xen setup with one as firewall, one as DMZ
> > mail server, one as DMZ web server, Dom0 as local fileserver. This
> > includes using pciback to hide my internet-side interface from Dom0. I
> > would be happy to share my complete config if you'd like.
> 
> I appreciate the offer but I'm swimming in complex example
> configurations.  The lack of examples isn't a problem.

I so understand!

> Something in the process I am missing is.  I have to be missing
> something since my configuration, especially this single ethernet
> card test, should work.  I can't find any glaringly obvious
> difference from the many examples I've seen and my configurations.
> Thank you for discussing it with me, however, since sometimes just
> having a sounding board will get the ol' synapses firing.  :)

what does your Dom0 /etc/network/interfaces look like?

also, what about the output of route on various Doms?



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Re: Why debian sucks! [was Re: Distributions]

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 06:24:41PM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Might as well draw some attention with a good subject line ;-P
> >
> >  On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:50:02AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote:
> >  >
> >  > While we're on the topic, can anyone sum it up, what do people
> >  > generally think is "bad" with Debian?
> >
> >  The only thing I think is bad about debian is the perception of it
> >  being crusty and outdated. It comes from a basic misunderstanding
> >  of how the various debian branches work. More than once I've spoken to
> >  people who had that feeling about debian until they actually tried it
> >  and learned how it worked.
> 
> But mixing branches (stable, testing and unstable) is a no-no, because
> they depend on different versions of libraries.

?? who said anything about mixing branches? (though I do it quite
often to maintain build-deps...) I merely suggest that people who
think debian is old and crusty just don't understand what "stable"
means in a debian context.


> 
> On the other hand, Backports aside, the list of unofficial APT
> repositories at apt-get.org is either outdated or the repositories
> listed there are, because few of them have etch supported. Any other
> source?

not a clue.

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Re: fixing .txt files sent from a MS$ user

[Kevin B. McCarty]

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> My niece sends some of her schoolwork to my wife (e.g. essays) for her
> to read.  First she sent .doc files which I can't access properly (no, I
> do no run OO) although I could get the jist.  I then suggested that she
> send plain text.
> 
> I don't run any locales but have LANG=C.
> 
> Her plain-text files are fine, except that apostrophies (singel-quote)
> (') are replaced with "\222", opening quotes (") with "\223", and
> closing quotes (") with "\224".
> 
> Other than writing a python script, can someone give me a simple command
> to fix this so that it is not so distracting?  Ideally, I'd put it into
> an executable file and pipe the file through it on it's way to lpr.
> 
> e.g. 
> $ cool-writing.txt | antiAJ | lpr -Pepson

Use tr?  It's a very simple program meant for exactly this kind of task.
The first argument is the list of characters to replace, and the second
is the list of characters (in order) to replace them with.

tr "\222\223\224" \'\"\" < cool-writing.txt | lpr -Pepson

N.B. the ' and " characters need to be escaped from the shell in the
second argument on the command line above.

tr is even in "coreutils" so you don't have to install anything extra.

best regards,

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Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 11:42:47AM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Friday 04 April 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:04:46AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote:
> > > AFAIK, RMS considers only one distribution to be really and truly
> > > free -- it's the Gentoo based Ututo[1]. He talked about this in his
> > > talk he held in Belgrade, Serbia.
> >
> > I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is almost
> > assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of allowing the
> > user to choose to use non-free software within the structure of it's
> > packaging system. IMO that is more free than preventing people from
> > using the software they want.
> >
> > .02
> 
> Another interesting note, from the same RMS talk.  Someone pointed out 
> that people had the freedom to choose so they should be able to choose 
> non-free if they want.  His response?  A person never has the choice to 
> be a slave.

yeah, this is where RMS loses me. Don't get me wrong, I have immense
respect for him and the work he does. But these kinds of statements
are really difficult. 

I mean, I can think for a while and get what he's saying (I think): if
a person is in a position where the only choice is to become a slave
then they have not actually chosen to be a slave, but have merely been
forced into it somehow.  I guess an example of this in computing would be
if I chose to use 3-d rendering on my system. Since I have an nvidia
card then I currently have two choices (assuming I don't have the $ to
go buy a new card): 

1) choose to use the nvidia proprietary drivers 

or 

2) choose to not use 3-d rendering. 

So in reality, I don't have choice and my decision is forced, hence,
no freedom. And in that case I can agree with what he says (though he
should spend more time trying to explain what he means instead of just
hanging these things out there...). 

But what about a situation where there is a choice between multiple
open and closed source software packages that each do the job well?
What if the particular feature set I want is implemented in a
particular way that I prefer by the closed source option? (or even, I
just arbitrarily choose the closed source one for no real reason) In
that case I am not forced to choose the closed source option, it
merely happens to be the one I choose. I could just as validly choose
the open source one and contirbute to the project in such a way that
it suits my preference better (and that is, FTR, what *I* would
choose). But that is not a case of "slavery" as there are many options
available to me, I merely have chosen one that he doesn't agree
with. That's not a slavery situation. But I also agree that this is a
fairly contrived example.

more .02

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Re: Change the openoffice's UI Font?

[Michael Yang]

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Manon Metten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 4/1/08, Michael Yang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > another problems for OO. The UI Font is so ugly that I want to change
> > it.
> > I've tried every solutions I can find in google, but nothing works!
> >
> > - Check/Uncheck using system font
> > - Apply replacement table for the font "Andale Sans UI", or "Andale
> > Mono".
> > - Tried to replace the other fonts.
> > - Remove old .openoffice.org2 and create a new one.
> >
> > However, nothing changes for the UI Font.
> >
> > Do you guys have any suggestions to fix this? ( lenny/sid, openoffice
> > 1:2.0.4-3, kernel 2.6.24)
> >
>
>
> You could try to set Scaling to 80% in menu
> Tools/Options/OpenOffice.org/View
>
> On my system (etch/kde) OpenOffice.org looks like any other app.
>
> Greetings, Manon.
>
> Thanks. But I tried and it doesn't work at all.
The problem is the font can not be changed at all. I've been trying every
solutions I can find on internet, but always failed.

If there's no solution for this, I'm going to use koffice or others instead.
I can't stand the ugly UI fonts in openoffice.

M.

Re: fixing .txt files sent from a MS$ user

[Sven Joachim]

On 2008-04-04 17:57 +0200, John Hasler wrote:

> Douglas writes:
>> My niece sends some of her schoolwork to my wife (e.g. essays) for her to
>> read.  First she sent .doc files which I can't access properly (no, I do
>> no run OO)
>
> Try Abiword.

s/b/nt/  :-)

No complex library dependencies, no X necessary, startup time close to
zero, and the text from your M$ document is displayed just fine.
Antiword can also generate Postscript or HTML output.

Sven


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Re: Why debian sucks! [was Re: Distributions]

[Ivan Savcic]

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Might as well draw some attention with a good subject line ;-P
>
>  On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 10:50:02AM +0200, Ivan Savcic wrote:
>  >
>  > While we're on the topic, can anyone sum it up, what do people
>  > generally think is "bad" with Debian?
>
>  The only thing I think is bad about debian is the perception of it
>  being crusty and outdated. It comes from a basic misunderstanding
>  of how the various debian branches work. More than once I've spoken to
>  people who had that feeling about debian until they actually tried it
>  and learned how it worked.

But mixing branches (stable, testing and unstable) is a no-no, because
they depend on different versions of libraries.

On the other hand, Backports aside, the list of unofficial APT
repositories at apt-get.org is either outdated or the repositories
listed there are, because few of them have etch supported. Any other
source?

>  Oh, and the other thing I don't like is how darn easy it is. It makes
>  it hard to learn anything past a certain point... hence my occaisional
>  attempts to do things the hard way...

Hahah, true. ;)

Ivan


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Re: Xen in Etch, basic setup

[Steve Lamb]

On Fri, April 4, 2008 7:51 am, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 01:09:09AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> I think it does make some difference in that I don't specify an IP, my
> vif= lookslike this:

> dhcp = 'dhcp'
> vif  = [ 'mac=aa:00:00:00:00:22, bridge=xenbrDMZ' ]

> but I use dhcp.

That'll be hard since the DomU is the one that's going to be running the
DHCP server.  But later on in the message you agree that this is
probably not it so we'll leave it at that.

> the other likely important bit is the made-up MAC
> address for the virtual interface. That fake mac address becomes the
> HwAddr in my DomU's ifconfig output. It looks to me like you are
> passing a real mac address which would cause all kinds of problems, I
> suspect.

Nope.  From :
"It's recommended to use a MAC address inside the range 00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx.
This address range is reserved for use by Xen."

The MAC address I'm passing to DomU, 00:16:3E:BA:17:79, was generated by
xen-tools when the image was created and is within the range suggested
by Xen.

> the bridge will *not* end up with an IP. It will have a funcky hwaddr
> like FE:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF and that's it. The bridge just connects
> different ends of virtual interfaces and is not an interface itself,
> per se.***

I'll double check that.  I think the bridge ending up with the IP was
the result of me really munging something somewhere.  I tried it again
later in the evening and did not get the same results.

> I have a working, 3 DomU xen setup with one as firewall, one as DMZ
> mail server, one as DMZ web server, Dom0 as local fileserver. This
> includes using pciback to hide my internet-side interface from Dom0. I
> would be happy to share my complete config if you'd like.

I appreciate the offer but I'm swimming in complex example
configurations.  The lack of examples isn't a problem.  Something in the
process I am missing is.  I have to be missing something since my
configuration, especially this single ethernet card test, should work. 
I can't find any glaringly obvious difference from the many examples
I've seen and my configurations.  Thank you for discussing it with me,
however, since sometimes just having a sounding board will get the ol'
synapses firing.  :)

-- 
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