date:20110223


On 02/23/2011 08:58 PM, Jaromír Mikeš wrote:

Hi all,

I having weird problem with experimental repository.
I want try latest pulseaudio package pulseaudio-module-jack_0.9.22,
but this package is available via synaptic.


*Is* available, or is *not* available?


I tried also apt-get install, but same result.



What result?  We need to see *everything*, including what you typed in.


my source.list entry
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free

But if I search for package manually I can find it.



$ apt-cache policy pulseaudio-module-jack
pulseaudio-module-jack:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.9.21-4
  Version table:
 0.9.22-1 0
  1 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ 
../project/experimental/main amd64 Packages

 0.9.21-4 0
500 http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages



  
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-module-jack_0.9.22-1_amd64.deb

Same problem I have for package gammu

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gammu/gammu_1.29.90-1_amd64.deb

Any idea what can be wrong?



Works for me...

# apt-get -s -t experimental install pulseaudio-module-jack
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  gnome-audio gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio libasound2-plugins 
libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0
  libgstreamer0.10-0 libpulse-browse0 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 
libpulse0 pulseaudio

  pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-utils
Suggested packages:
  gnome-core gstreamer-codec-install gnome-codec-install pavumeter 
pavucontrol paman paprefs rtkit

The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gnome-audio gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio libasound2-plugins 
libpulse-browse0 pulseaudio
  pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-jack 
pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-utils

The following packages will be upgraded:
  libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer0.10-0 
libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0

4 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 0 to remove and 310 not upgraded.
Inst gnome-audio (2.22.2-1 Debian:unstable [all])
Inst libgstreamer0.10-0 [0.10.30-1] (0.10.32-1 Debian:experimental 
[amd64])
Inst libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 [0.10.30-1] (0.10.32-1 
Debian:experimental [amd64])
Inst libpulse-mainloop-glib0 [0.9.21-4] (0.9.22-1 
Debian:experimental [amd64]) []

Inst libpulse0 [0.9.21-4] (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Inst gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio (0.10.27-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Inst libasound2-plugins (1.0.23-1+b1 Debian:unstable [amd64])
Inst libpulse-browse0 (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Inst pulseaudio (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Inst pulseaudio-esound-compat (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Inst pulseaudio-module-jack (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Inst pulseaudio-utils (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Inst pulseaudio-module-x11 (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf gnome-audio (2.22.2-1 Debian:unstable [all])
Conf libgstreamer0.10-0 (0.10.32-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (0.10.32-1 Debian:experimental 
[amd64])

Conf libpulse0 (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf libpulse-mainloop-glib0 (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio (0.10.27-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf libasound2-plugins (1.0.23-1+b1 Debian:unstable [amd64])
Conf libpulse-browse0 (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf pulseaudio (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf pulseaudio-esound-compat (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf pulseaudio-module-jack (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf pulseaudio-utils (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])
Conf pulseaudio-module-x11 (0.9.22-1 Debian:experimental [amd64])



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Re: Centrally locating email (was Re: SSH pauses)


On 02/23/2011 09:04 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

* On 2011 23 Feb 13:45 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 02/22/2011 08:44 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
[snip]

an email (I log into my home box to read and send mail so it's all in
one place).



Install an IMAP server on your home box and then enable imaps.


I see a lot of mention of IMAP, what does it get me except downloading
all my mail *again* to my laptop?


That would "only" happen if your MUA decides to pretend that IMAP is 
POP, or you do off-line IMAP.


And, IIRC, it only happens when you go into the folder, so "archive" 
folders don't transfer to your client.



  What is my misundertanding?



IMAP (Internet Message Access protocol) is flexible, and is 
*designed* for remote access to email.


You can use any MUA on any client (not just your laptop) instead of 
just mutt via ssh.  Heck, you could even install apache and a 
webmail system.



I think the explanation that dropped packets due to Wifi is quite likely
the correct one.  I've been too busy to investigate it further.  Thanks
for the replies.

- Nate>>




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Weird problem with experimental repo

2011-02-23 Thread Jaromír Mikeš

Hi all,

I having weird problem with experimental repository.
I want try latest pulseaudio package pulseaudio-module-jack_0.9.22,
but this package is available via synaptic.
I tried also apt-get install, but same result.

my source.list entry
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free

But if I search for package manually I can find it.

 
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-module-jack_0.9.22-1_amd64.deb

Same problem I have for package gammu

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gammu/gammu_1.29.90-1_amd64.deb

Any idea what can be wrong?

Thanks for any help

mira


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Re: Centrally locating email (was Re: SSH pauses)

2011-02-23 Thread Nate Bargmann

* On 2011 23 Feb 13:45 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/22/2011 08:44 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> [snip]
> >an email (I log into my home box to read and send mail so it's all in
> >one place).
> >
> 
> Install an IMAP server on your home box and then enable imaps.

I see a lot of mention of IMAP, what does it get me except downloading
all my mail *again* to my laptop?  What is my misundertanding?

I think the explanation that dropped packets due to Wifi is quite likely
the correct one.  I've been too busy to investigate it further.  Thanks
for the replies.

- Nate >>

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Debian stable vs. testing for Swift Linux (antiX derivative)

2011-02-23 Thread Jason Hsu

I recently started a new Linux distro called Swift Linux (www.swiftlinux.org).  

Background: The pedigree is Debian Testing -> MEPIS Linux -> antiX Linux -> 
Swift Linux.  The purpose of Swift Linux is to be lightweight and user-friendly 
like Puppy Linux while also offering a superior repository like Debian, Ubuntu, 
and Mint.  Swift Linux is based on antiX Linux and requires just 128 MB of RAM 
(256 MB recommended) and a Pentium II or newer processor.  Like antiX and 
MEPIS, Swift Linux is fully compatible with the Debian repository.

Although antiX Linux is based on Debian Testing, I have Swift Linux default 
settings configured to download  Debian Stable packages instead of Debian 
Testing packages.  However, I'm now considering having all subsequent versions 
use Debian Testing packages, as the Swift Linux base is Debian Testing, and I'm 
not sure that the Debian Stable packages really mean that much improvement in 
stability.  What do you think?

That said, for the versions of Swift Linux that have OpenOffice preinstalled, I 
intend to stick with OpenOffice 2.4 (from Lenny) because it's lightweight.  
Version 3 of OpenOffice has double the requirements of version 2.  I don't 
think version 3 would work well with 128 MB of RAM (minimum requirement for 
Swift Linux), and the extra space it requires would likely make the Swift Linux 
ISO file too large to fit on a CD.

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ISC dhclient deconfigures all interfaces in configuration when ifdown is called

2011-02-23 Thread Martin Kraus

Hi. I'm using ISC dhcp client from testing and I have an interface
configuration in dhclient.conf that sends special dhcp options on a matching
interface. 
The problem is that if I have two interfaces configured using dhcp when one of
them gets deconfigured using ifdown  all of them get deconfigured.

Is there a way to avoid this? This seems weird. I'd think that ifdown would
kill only the coresponding dhclient but all of them die. It might be some
other problem but I haven't figured out what it could be.

thanks for help
martin


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Re: Where is the trust?

2011-02-23 Thread Dr. Ed Morbius

on 12:24 Wed 23 Feb, The Suspect (policeoppress...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >From where comes the trust for your archive?
> 
> Let me explain something that I am sure you are fully aware, just to point
> it out.

Let me short-cut this whole discussion.

Read "How PGP Works":

http://www.pgpi.org/doc/pgpintro/

Pay particular attention to the section titled "Validity and trust".

> Your site says to download the following keyring file in order to trust your
> packages:
> 
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/debian-multimedia-keyring/debian-multimedia-keyring_2010.12.26_all.deb
> 

PGP (from which GNU Privacy Guard is based) relies on two core features:
public key cryptography (or infrastructure, hence: PKI), and a web of
trust.

PGP key distribution is *independent* from the trust of the distribution
site or transport channel.

What you're trusting isn't the keys, the server, or the transport, but
the signatures *you* *know* on the key(s).  These signatures are
cryptographically secure (they're not likely to have been compromised
through cryptographic methods, though other means of breaching trust are
possible).

If you /can't/ establish a trust connection between yourself and a key,
then unless you can come up with a good reason for doing so, you don't
trust it to certify an identity.  The best you can do is attribute an
imputed trust to it over time (say, for a well-known key or for a key
with many well-known signatures)

Listing signatures on the key 1F41B907 shows some 76 signatures
(including multiple self-signatures from Christian Marillat).
Introducing yourself to one of these signers (or establishing a web of
trust including them) would allay some of your fears.

Note that now all you've established is that you've got a
crytographically based trust that the person is who they've said they
are.  Not that you trust them at all times to write/release benvolent
code.

The fact that you're complaining about a keyring and repo outside the
Debian Project / SPI is merely icing on the cake.

As for trusting SSL:

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/12/forging_ssl_cer.html
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/04/man-in-the-midd_2.html
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/09/uae_man-in-the-.html

It's so fortunate the world doesn't have to, say, worry about the
validity and/or moral compass of middle-eastern / north-African
governments.

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Re: shopt -s checkwinsize gone?

2011-02-23 Thread Doug


On 02/23/2011 07:19 PM, Thilo Six wrote:

Thilo Six wrote the following on 24.02.2011 01:11


Wayne Topa wrote the following on 23.02.2011 22:39


Hi Debainites

I just tried, on a testing/unstable partition, the above command
and it no longer works. It (shopt) is still shown in the bash 4.1-3
man page so I would expect it to work.

I have both bash and bash -completion 1:1.3-1 installed.

Have I missed something obvious, again?

TIA

WT

I am using squeeze but bash hasn´t been updated in unstable since and therefore
the versions are the same. Here it works:

$ shopt -u checkwinsize
$ shopt | grep checkwin
checkwinsizeoff
$ shopt -s checkwinsize
$ shopt | grep checkwin
checkwinsizeon

PS. does
$ \shopt -s checkwinsize

work for you?



Not using Debian, but I do have shopt. The man page says that the default is
everything set off  (shopt -u).  And if you do shopt -s, everything it 
controls is

turned on.  I'm afraid I don't see what this command is intended to do, and
especially, why one would arbitrarily turn everything on, if the norm is for
everything to be off.  If someone could explain in words of one syllable or
so what is intended here, rather than several pages of man which don't mean
too much to me, I'd appreciate it.
Thanx--doug

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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian

2011-02-23 Thread Dr. Ed Morbius

on 16:24 Wed 23 Feb, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. (b...@iguanasuicide.net) wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 February 2011 15:11:25 Carlos Mennens wrote:

> > 3. Debian installer defaults to creating user group names which is just a
> > mess.
> 
> Actually, I prefer user group names.  I'm not sure I have a really strong 
> argument for them.  What facts support your assertion that they are "just a 
> mess".

The most compelling argument I could think of would be that NFS *still*
only allows a maximum of (IIRC) 16 groups IDs to be associated with a
given user.

I said "most compelling".  I didn't say compelling.  IMO this is a
severe deficiency of NFS (of which it's not particularly lacking
otherwise).

Debian's extensive use of groups (which otherwise gives a very useful
level of granularity to group permissions) means that you may need to
juggle group order when attaching to an NFS domain.  Put your principle
NFS user group, and any important groups, at the head of the list.
Groups used only in a Debian local system context (e.g.: dip, dialout,
disks, etc.) can probably be safely dropped.

The remainder of Señor Mennens's comments are all either set by default,
or configurable at install tiem (e.g.: world-readable home directories).

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Re: cupsd fails to start - general protection fault SOLVED!

2011-02-23 Thread Joel Roth

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:36:52AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm running sid on amd64. My cupsd fails to start. 
> >From /var/log/syslog:
> 
> kernel: [209082.595638] cupsd[31022] general protection ip:7fc2be37f5e8 
> sp:7fff3feb7058 error:0 in libc-2.11.2.so[7fc2be30+158000]

apt-get upgrade

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Re: shopt -s checkwinsize gone?


On 02/23/2011 07:19 PM, Thilo Six wrote:

Thilo Six wrote the following on 24.02.2011 01:11


Wayne Topa wrote the following on 23.02.2011 22:39


Hi Debainites

I just tried, on a testing/unstable partition, the above command
and it no longer works. It (shopt) is still shown in the bash 4.1-3
man page so I would expect it to work.

I have both bash and bash -completion 1:1.3-1 installed.

Have I missed something obvious, again?

TIA

WT


I am using squeeze but bash hasn´t been updated in unstable since and therefore
the versions are the same. Here it works:

$ shopt -u checkwinsize
$ shopt | grep checkwin
checkwinsizeoff
$ shopt -s checkwinsize
$ shopt | grep checkwin
checkwinsizeon

I get the same here as you have shown and

~$ shopt checkwinsize
checkwinsizeon


PS. does
$ \shopt -s checkwinsize

work for you?

no
VT/dev/pts/4 wtopa@dj-SQUEEZE]
~$ \shopt -s checkwinsize

[VT/dev/pts/4 wtopa@dj-SQUEEZE]
~$

I haven't uses this in ages but IIRC shopt -s checkwinsize used to show 
the display size.


Thanks for checking & the reply.

Wayne


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Re: Debian Multi-Media.


On 02/23/2011 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:46:27PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 02/23/2011 01:50 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:



On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote:





Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos
or widespread a bit more what is going on?








"Should"???

It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing
that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort,
bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad
that he's doing it.


I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the
right ones.

I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable
releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people
can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M
repositories.



Yes, it would be nice and useful.

However, the word "should" in English expresses (in gcide's words)
"moral obligation", and Christian Marillat is under no moral
obligation to do so. Merriam-Webster uses the similar phrase "express
obligation, propriety, or expediency".


Hm.. Camaléon used the ‘interro-negative’ form: ‘shouldn't’..

Quite different from an affirmative ‘should’..

Take for instance:

‘Shouldn't we ban OT'ers and nitpickers from the list?’¹



The answer to which is, "Yes we *should*."


I don't see much (if any) moral obligation involved in the above.. or
expediency.. or propriety..?



Thus, the moral obligation.


Rather a suggestion that so doing might be a good idea. Not essentially
different from ‘Don't you think we should ban...’

When I read it, I felt Camaléon meant ‘What do you guys think?’.. rather
than suggest that the DM team was under any obligation to keep us posted
with regard to their progress.

Yes..? No..?



What I think is that Camaléon in not a native English speaker and so 
we have a moral obligation to (i.e. we *should*) forgive her for 
making that mistake.


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Re: shopt -s checkwinsize gone?

2011-02-23 Thread Thilo Six

Thilo Six wrote the following on 24.02.2011 01:11

> Wayne Topa wrote the following on 23.02.2011 22:39
> 
>> Hi Debainites
>>
>> I just tried, on a testing/unstable partition, the above command
>> and it no longer works. It (shopt) is still shown in the bash 4.1-3
>> man page so I would expect it to work.
>>
>> I have both bash and bash -completion 1:1.3-1 installed.
>>
>> Have I missed something obvious, again?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> WT
> 
> I am using squeeze but bash hasn´t been updated in unstable since and 
> therefore
> the versions are the same. Here it works:
> 
> $ shopt -u checkwinsize
> $ shopt | grep checkwin
> checkwinsizeoff
> $ shopt -s checkwinsize
> $ shopt | grep checkwin
> checkwinsizeon

PS. does
$ \shopt -s checkwinsize

work for you?


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Regular DHCP network drop

2011-02-23 Thread Dr. Ed Morbius

I get a pretty regular (usually mid/late afternoon) DHCP network drop
which appears to affect me but not other users (Mac/Windows) in the
office.


Configured interface is eth0:
$ /sbin/ifconfig
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr f0:de:f1:12:02:18  
  inet addr:172.16.0.167  Bcast:172.16.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  ...

About an hour ago I find a logged DHCP request:
Wed Feb 23 16:09:19 PST 2011

Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 172.16.0.6 port 
67
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost dhclient: DHCPACK from 172.16.0.6
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost dhclient: Invalid domain list.
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost dhclient: Invalid domain list.
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost dhclient: Invalid domain list.
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost dhclient: bound to 172.16.0.167 -- renewal in 
10170 seconds.
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost NetworkManager[2380]:  (eth0): DHCPv4 state 
changed bound -> renew
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost NetworkManager[2380]:address 
172.16.0.167
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost NetworkManager[2380]:prefix 24 
(255.255.255.0)
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost NetworkManager[2380]:gateway 172.16.0.1
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost NetworkManager[2380]:nameserver 
'172.16.0.6'
Feb 23 15:09:12 localhost NetworkManager[2380]:nameserver 
'172.16.2.17'

'ip' shows link:
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state 
UP qlen 1000


... but no neighbor:

$ ip neigh show
172.16.0.1 dev eth0  INCOMPLETE



And route shows my gateway but it's unpingable.

$ /sbin/route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse 
Iface
172.16.0.0  0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 1  00 eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000   00 eth0
0.0.0.0 172.16.0.1  0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
$ ping 172.16.0.1
PING 172.16.0.1 (172.16.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 172.16.0.167 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
From 172.16.0.167 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
^C
--- 172.16.0.1 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 0 received, +2 errors, 100% packet loss, time 4006ms
pipe 2


The resolution is to run 'ifconfig eth0 down; ifdown eth0; dhclient -v
eth0' as root, but I'd like to know why it's necessary in the first
place.

DHCP server is a box in the office running CentOS.  I see the DHCP
requests and lease offers there, no sign of expiry.

Suggestions welcomed.

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Re (3): Skype

2011-02-23 Thread peasthope

From:   David Goodenough 
Date:   Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:59:01 +
> ... I am sure that Google can track down the solution
> which I used a while back with success.

Thanks; it's at the bottom of this page.
  http://developer.skype.com/LinuxSkype

For Squeeze on an old 32 bit NetVista this allows the image 
from my camera.
  LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype

Just when the image begins to transmit, this line appears.
libv4lconvert: Error decompressing JPEG: fill_nbits error: need 1 more bits

The image from the remote peer is scrambled.  I'll guess 
relating to this error or to the slow old processor.

With any luck, a Skype for Squeeze will use the libraries 
properly.

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Re: shopt -s checkwinsize gone?

2011-02-23 Thread Thilo Six

Wayne Topa wrote the following on 23.02.2011 22:39

> Hi Debainites
> 
> I just tried, on a testing/unstable partition, the above command
> and it no longer works. It (shopt) is still shown in the bash 4.1-3
> man page so I would expect it to work.
> 
> I have both bash and bash -completion 1:1.3-1 installed.
> 
> Have I missed something obvious, again?
> 
> TIA
> 
> WT

I am using squeeze but bash hasn´t been updated in unstable since and therefore
the versions are the same. Here it works:

$ shopt -u checkwinsize
$ shopt | grep checkwin
checkwinsizeoff
$ shopt -s checkwinsize
$ shopt | grep checkwin
checkwinsizeon



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Re: Debian Multi-Media.

2011-02-23 Thread Chris Jones

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:46:27PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 01:50 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

>>> On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>>

 Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos
 or widespread a bit more what is going on?

>>> "Should"???
>>>
>>> It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing
>>> that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort,
>>> bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad
>>> that he's doing it.
>>
>> I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the
>> right ones.
>>
>> I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable
>> releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people
>> can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M
>> repositories.
>>
>
> Yes, it would be nice and useful.
>
> However, the word "should" in English expresses (in gcide's words)
> "moral obligation", and Christian Marillat is under no moral
> obligation to do so. Merriam-Webster uses the similar phrase "express
> obligation, propriety, or expediency".

Hm.. Camaléon used the ‘interro-negative’ form: ‘shouldn't’.. 

Quite different from an affirmative ‘should’..

Take for instance:

‘Shouldn't we ban OT'ers and nitpickers from the list?’¹

I don't see much (if any) moral obligation involved in the above.. or
expediency.. or propriety..?

Rather a suggestion that so doing might be a good idea. Not essentially
different from ‘Don't you think we should ban...’ 

When I read it, I felt Camaléon meant ‘What do you guys think?’.. rather
than suggest that the DM team was under any obligation to keep us posted
with regard to their progress.

Yes..? No..?

cj

¹ A purely rhetorical question ;-)

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Re: shopt -s checkwinsize gone?


On 02/23/2011 04:39 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:


Hi Debainites

I just tried, on a testing/unstable partition, the above command
and it no longer works. It (shopt) is still shown in the bash 4.1-3
man page so I would expect it to work.

I have both bash and bash -completion 1:1.3-1 installed.

Have I missed something obvious, again?



The shopt -s extglob had a bug report in version 3,2-5 but no other 
shopt -s function shows any bug reports..


Will add this to my todo report bug list.

WT


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Re: upgrading squeeze/sid to stable

2011-02-23 Thread Alex Declent


my system is or was squeeze testing, installed in sept. 2010,
the last 'aptitude upgrade' was 2 months ago.

I will give it a try, alex

Am 2011-02-24 00:18, schrieb Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.:

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 15:26:12 Alex Declent wrote:

is it so simple

aptitude update
aptitude upgrade

and squeeze/sid becomes stable?

I'm assuming you have a system that claims to be "Debian squeeze/sid" and you
want to make it be running "Debian Squeeze (6.0)".  (If that's not what you
mean, and you actually have a mixed system, I'll get to that later.)

The only time Debian claim(ed) to be squeeze/sid was when you were running
squeeze while it was testing.

Before you do an update (to save bandwidth) and before you do an upgrade or
full-upgrade you need to make sure you sources.list is correct.  If you want
testing -- which will claim to be "wheezy/sid" by now -- use "testing".  If
you want to run Debian Squeeze, which is a stable release now -- use
"squeeze".

After that you can _probably_ just do an update, upgrade, full-upgrade,
reboot.  That said, I don't know how old your "oldtesting" packages are.
You'll want to at least skim the release notes.  Your upgrade may include
none, some, or all of the issues there and maybe even some new ones.  It is
relatively easy to test Lenny ->  Squeeze upgrades, since the packages in Lenny
are mostly fixed.  Each Squeeze (testing) ->  Squeeze (stable) upgrade is
different, depending on when the last time you updated your testing.

---

If you are running a mixed squeeze / sid system, you are probably well served
by adding wheezy / testing in there to ease some of the transitions, if you
want to stay there.  Moving such an installed to "just" squeeze is tricky.
Downgrades of installed packages are impossible, so each package you've pulled
from sid is a potential stumbling block.  First remove sid / unstable from
your sources.list.  Then, perform the update, upgrade, full-upgrade dance.
Now *purge* every package where the installed version is not the stable
version (aptitude purge '~S~i!~A^stable$').  If that causes dependency
problems or removes essential packages or just plain doesn't work, you'll have
to reinstall; downgrading is not always possible.

---

oldstable, stable, testing, unstable, experimental, any active codenames and
the associated -updates and -proposed-updates repositories are all on the same
mirror set.



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Re: mysql replication problem, after upgrade squeeze

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 17:04:01 Dev Newsletter wrote:
> the last months I used the squeeze (testing),

Squeeze isn't testing anymore.  Squeeze was released 2011-02-06 and is not 
stable.

Wheezy is testing.  If you have listed "testing" in your sources.list...

> today I have done a aptitude upgrade, on first sight it seems that anything
> works.

Welcome to Wheezy!

> /usr/sbin/mysqld: File '/var/database/repl/mysql-bin.000206' not found
> (Errcode: 13)
> 
> Errcode: 13 means: Permission denied
> 
> that's why a process set's the owner and group of the mysql-bin.000206 to
> root,
> and not to mysql.
 
> aptitude ends and mysql is not configured, does anyone have an idea what
> happens?

chown the file and try again?
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Re: Debian Multi-Media.

2011-02-23 Thread Charlie

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600
Ron Johnson  wrote:

> On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:04 +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >
> >> For those concerned about oldstable at Debian Multimedia, you'll be
> >> pleased to hear that it's being restored.  So far, about 90% is
> >> available, according to Christian.
> >
> > Good.
> >
> > Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos
> > or widespread a bit more what is going on?
> >
> 
> "Should"???
> 
> It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing 
> that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, 
> bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad 
> that he's doing it.
> 

I must agree with Ron.

Some of us who use Debian and have done so for years, forget that we get
it for free. There are people doing a whole heap of great work
without any realistic recompense or recompense at all.

Thank you for anything at all that someone does for Debian would be the
correct response I imagine.

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mysql replication problem, after upgrade squeeze

2011-02-23 Thread Dev Newsletter

the last months I used the squeeze (testing),
today I have done a aptitude upgrade, on first sight it seems that anything
works.

but aptitude get in troubles when it try to upgrade the mysql database.

my mysql database works as an replication slave, and now when aptitude
try to restart the database I found the log entry

/usr/sbin/mysqld: File '/var/database/repl/mysql-bin.000206' not found
(Errcode: 13)

Errcode: 13 means: Permission denied

that's why a process set's the owner and group of the mysql-bin.000206 to
root,
and not to mysql.

aptitude ends and mysql is not configured, does anyone have an idea what
happens?

alex

Re: To 64 or Not to 64?


On 02/23/2011 05:07 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Mi, 23 feb 11, 16:21:27, Ron Johnson wrote:


There is a 64-bit kernel for the 32-bit distro.  It would make
installing the nvidia driver impossible thru the Debian package, but
it *is* doable via much manual intervention.


Care to elaborate on this? I have squeeze running fine with
linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 and nvidia-glx.



32-bit userland or 64-bit userland?

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Re: upgrading squeeze/sid to stable

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 15:26:12 Alex Declent wrote:
> is it so simple
> 
> aptitude update
> aptitude upgrade
> 
> and squeeze/sid becomes stable?

I'm assuming you have a system that claims to be "Debian squeeze/sid" and you 
want to make it be running "Debian Squeeze (6.0)".  (If that's not what you 
mean, and you actually have a mixed system, I'll get to that later.)

The only time Debian claim(ed) to be squeeze/sid was when you were running 
squeeze while it was testing.

Before you do an update (to save bandwidth) and before you do an upgrade or 
full-upgrade you need to make sure you sources.list is correct.  If you want 
testing -- which will claim to be "wheezy/sid" by now -- use "testing".  If 
you want to run Debian Squeeze, which is a stable release now -- use 
"squeeze".

After that you can _probably_ just do an update, upgrade, full-upgrade, 
reboot.  That said, I don't know how old your "oldtesting" packages are.  
You'll want to at least skim the release notes.  Your upgrade may include 
none, some, or all of the issues there and maybe even some new ones.  It is 
relatively easy to test Lenny -> Squeeze upgrades, since the packages in Lenny 
are mostly fixed.  Each Squeeze (testing) -> Squeeze (stable) upgrade is 
different, depending on when the last time you updated your testing.

---

If you are running a mixed squeeze / sid system, you are probably well served 
by adding wheezy / testing in there to ease some of the transitions, if you 
want to stay there.  Moving such an installed to "just" squeeze is tricky.  
Downgrades of installed packages are impossible, so each package you've pulled 
from sid is a potential stumbling block.  First remove sid / unstable from 
your sources.list.  Then, perform the update, upgrade, full-upgrade dance.  
Now *purge* every package where the installed version is not the stable 
version (aptitude purge '~S~i!~A^stable$').  If that causes dependency 
problems or removes essential packages or just plain doesn't work, you'll have 
to reinstall; downgrading is not always possible.

---

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the associated -updates and -proposed-updates repositories are all on the same 
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2011-02-23 Thread David



On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 05:07:40 pm 
debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:
> debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2011 : Issue 379
> 
> Today's Topics:
>   Re: Debian Multi-Media.   [ "tv.deb...@googlemail.com"  ]
>   cupsd fails to start - general prote  [ Joel Roth  ]
>   Re: help with nvidia and BusID[ Hugo Vanwoerkom  ]
>   Where is the trust?   [ The Suspect  ]
>   To 64 or Not to 64?   [ David Baron  ]
>   Re: Debian Multi-Media.   [ Ron Johnson  
> ]
>   Re: Side Question Regarding Modules   [ Andrei Popescu  ]
>   Re: Where is the trust?   [ Andrei Popescu  ]
>   Re: To 64 or Not to 64?   [ Andrei Popescu  ]
>   Re: To 64 or Not to 64?   [ Aaron Toponce  ]
>   Things I Don't Understand About Debi  [ Carlos Mennens  ]
>   shopt -s checkwinsize gone?   [ Wayne Topa  ]
>   upgrading squeeze/sid to stable   [ Alex Declent  ]
>   Re: upgrading squeeze/sid to stable   [ Aaron Toponce  ]
>   Re: Is there anything wrong with sti  [ "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."  ]
>   Problem with apic (noapic?) during s  [ Charlie  ]
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Re: To 64 or Not to 64?

On Mi, 23 feb 11, 16:21:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> There is a 64-bit kernel for the 32-bit distro.  It would make
> installing the nvidia driver impossible thru the Debian package, but
> it *is* doable via much manual intervention.

Care to elaborate on this? I have squeeze running fine with 
linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 and nvidia-glx.

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Re: upgrading squeeze/sid to stable


On 02/23/2011 03:26 PM, Alex Declent wrote:

is it so simple

aptitude update
aptitude upgrade

and squeeze/sid becomes stable?



Since squeeze *is* stable, and sid is marching forward getting newer 
versions and in some cases incompatible libraries, I don't 
understand your question.


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Re: Where is the trust?

2011-02-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, The Suspect wrote:
> From where comes the trust for your archive?

In the end, it all amounts to thin, dirty air.

That said, the archive keys are signed by several DDs, whose keys are part
of the strong set of the gpg public web-of-trust.

So, if you're troubled by the trust on the release signing keys, find
yourself a trust path to the strong set, or enough weak paths that you're
willing to convince yourself that the keys are indeed valid.

> So, I am basically stuck blindly trusting that your keyring file has not
> been compromised and that your website is not an evil mirror.

Maybe.  See above.

> You might at least put up a secure SSL connection so that someone might have

You are, of course, aware that unless you anchor the CA you are going to
trust *and* that CA has not been subverted in the first place, any https
session can be trivially intercepted through a man-in-the-middle attack,
using valid certificates signed by any of the hundreds of CAs your browser
trusts?

So, why should we bother with something as useless as https, again?

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Re: restarting sound

2011-02-23 Thread Rick Pasotto

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:03AM +, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote:
> Rick Pasotto ask;
> How can I restart sound without rebooting the whole machine?
> 
> ---
> 
> If your using Alsa, there is an alsa-utils file in /etc/init.d/
> 
> # /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart

Thanks. That worked fine.

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Re: upgrading squeeze/sid to stable

On Mi, 23 feb 11, 22:26:12, Alex Declent wrote:
> is it so simple
> 
> aptitude update
> aptitude upgrade
> 
> and squeeze/sid becomes stable?
> 
> are there any package repositories which must be added?

You should read the Release Notes first:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes

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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian

2011-02-23 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2011-02-23 23:14 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 02/23/2011 03:11 PM, Carlos Mennens wrote:
>> 1. Screen from console is not cleared as root or regular user once you log 
>> out.
>>
>
> You're allowed to create /etc/bash.bash_logout which does:
> if [ "$SHLVL" = 1 ]; then
> [ -x /usr/bin/clear_console ] && /usr/bin/clear_console -q
> fi

I would like to add that this snippet has been in /etc/skel/.bash_logout
for almost five years, so any user account created on Debian 4.0 or
newer should have this already in his home directory.

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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 15:11:25 Carlos Mennens wrote:
> 1. Screen from console is not cleared as root or regular user once you log
> out.

Do you want /sbin/init to clear/reset the vt before respawning a process, 
/sbin/login to do so before it outputs anything, or do you want /etc/skel to 
contain .bash_logout, .zlogout, etc. in order to suggest users clear their 
screen?

Any of them is likely a small patch, although /sbin/init and /sbin/login do 
need to support more consoles that the Linux vt.

> 2. Users home directories get created with 755 permissions. Anyone can
> access your home directory and files.

Pretty normal for a Linux really.  SLES does the same thing.  You can always 
change that easily enough.  It makes it easier to share things, and sharing is 
the default in most Free Software communities.

> 3. Debian installer defaults to creating user group names which is just a
> mess.

Actually, I prefer user group names.  I'm not sure I have a really strong 
argument for them.  What facts support your assertion that they are "just a 
mess".

> Obviously these are not critical issues but in my opinion extremely
> annoying and pointless. Does anyone know why Debian developers choose
> these behaviors for a default Debian system? I just don't understand
> the logic.

This is probably best taken up with debian-devel.  This is more of a users-
helping-users group.  There are certainly some DDs here, but most of use don't 
have direct control over the development policies of Debian.
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Re: To 64 or Not to 64?


On 02/23/2011 02:27 PM, David Baron wrote:

I am currently running Sid, 32-bit with recent i686 32 bit kernels.
Here is my cpu: ~$ lscpu
Architecture:  i686
CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit
CPU(s):2
Thread(s) per core:2
Core(s) per socket:1
CPU socket(s): 1
Vendor ID: GenuineIntel
CPU family:15
Model: 4
Stepping:  3
CPU MHz:   3000.282
L1d cache: 16K
L2 cache:  2048K

Should I go to a 64-bit kernel? Benefits vs. Risks?
Will 64bit enable kvm functionality on this box?



What do you do with your PC?

If you're "just a desktop user", then I recommend sticking with 
32-bits (and a PAE kernel if you have gt 4GB RAM).



Will this work with existing packages which could then be changed to 64 bit
piecemeal or if taking the plunge, must/should redo everything?



There is a 64-bit kernel for the 32-bit distro.  It would make 
installing the nvidia driver impossible thru the Debian package, but 
it *is* doable via much manual intervention.



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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian


On 02/23/2011 03:11 PM, Carlos Mennens wrote:

1. Screen from console is not cleared as root or regular user once you log out.



You're allowed to create /etc/bash.bash_logout which does:
if [ "$SHLVL" = 1 ]; then
[ -x /usr/bin/clear_console ] && /usr/bin/clear_console -q
fi



2. Users home directories get created with 755 permissions. Anyone can
access your home directory and files.



http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/02/msg00603.html


3. Debian installer defaults to creating user group names


That's been standard for a decade+.


  which is just a mess.



Says who?


Obviously these are not critical issues but in my opinion extremely
annoying and pointless. Does anyone know why Debian developers choose
these behaviors for a default Debian system? I just don't understand
the logic.



We're just users.  Go ask the Decision Makers (who are the ones 
which put in the actual time and effort) on debian-devel.


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Re: Where is the trust?

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 14:24:23 The Suspect wrote:
> >From where comes the trust for your archive?
> 
> Let me explain something that I am sure you are fully aware, just to point
> it out.
> 
> Your site says to download the following keyring file in order to trust
> your packages:
> 
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/debian-multimedia-keyring/debi
> an-multimedia-keyring_2010.12.26_all.deb

That's for D-M, not Debian.  D-M is an unofficial side project.  Even if the 
people on this list had some control over Debian infrastructure they couldn't 
do much about D-M.  Most of the people on this list are simply users of 
Debian, so they don't have direct control over any Debian infrastructure.

Finally, The keys in debian-multimedia-keyring are also in debian-maintainers-
keyring from the master Debian repository.  Debian CDs already contain the 
necessary information to verify packages from the master Debian repository, 
and there are a number of other ways.  Presumably, if you are running Debian, 
you should have these keys.
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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian

2011-02-23 Thread Roger Leigh

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:11:25PM -0500, Carlos Mennens wrote:
> 1. Screen from console is not cleared as root or regular user once you log
> out.

If you use bash, add this to ~/.bash_logout:

case "$(tty)" in
/dev/tty[0-9][0-9]*) clear
esac

You could also get getty do the blanking as well if you wanted; it
might even already be a configurable option.  Or, you can just add a
form feed to the top of /etc/issue.

> 2. Users home directories get created with 755 permissions. Anyone can
> access your home directory and files.

Yes, other users can read (not modify) files.  This is by design.
You can set a different default by modifying DIR_MODE in
/etc/adduser.conf.  This was discussed just last week on -devel.

Some people do want stricter permissions e.g. 0750, 0700.  Debian can't
provide a default that will satisfy everyone.  But if you're unhappy
with the default, it's easy enough to change.  Who are you worried will
be reading all your files?

(I'm in the camp that prefers 0755; if I want to keep something
private, I'll put it in a subdirectory with 0750 permissions.  I find
being able to share and collaborate with other users on the same
system a boon, akin to leaving the blind up so people can look in,
rather than bricking up the window.)

> 3. Debian installer defaults to creating user group names which is just a
> mess.

This is good security practice.  Every file and directory you create
is owned by a user and a group.  Having a user-private group means
every file you create is owned by you, and you can then opt to change
the group and perms.  It's important when you're working in a
multiuser environment, and does no harm for single user systems.
Having a generic "users" group that's used by all users for all files
is in fact far less secure than the 0755 permissions.

http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups

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Re: Debian Multi-Media.

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 13:50:36 Camaleón wrote:
> I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable
> releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can
> then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories.

They have their own mailing list for announcements and they aren't an official 
part of Debian.  I think announcements on this list would be unwelcome to 
some.  If you need information about D-M, subscribe to the D-M mailing 
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Problem with apic (noapic?) during squeeze install

2011-02-23 Thread Charlie

   I have an i386 machine purchased about 4 years ago (Hewlett-
Packard Pavillion) that ran etch (upgraded later to Lenny) and
Windows XP as a dual boot.  An attempt to upgrade to squeeze led
me to try to install squeeze from scratch, using a netinst CD.

   When I try to boot, I see briefly, before the grub menu:

8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC.

   The subsequent boot attempt  from grub has the monitor briefly display
a "signal out of range" and then go dark.  (I've tried two different monitors)

   Somebody suggested that I add the command "noapic" at the grub prompt.
   Grub displays a debian kernel, 2.6.32-5-686,
which I highlight and then type "e",
which gives me a display:

>insmod part_msdos
>insmod ext2
>set root='(hd0,msdos5)'
> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set blahblah
>echo 'Loading Linux blahblah
> linux /boot/vmlinuz-blahblah
>echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.32-5-686  

   I add the word
noapic

at the end of the line beginning "linux", then control-x to boot,
and get the same dark screen as before.

I've gotten (some) access to the machine using the rescue mode on
the installer, and tried to find a file which I could edit to include
the magic word "noapic".  There is no file /boot/grup/grub.conf

There is a file /boot/grub/grub.cfg.  At the top it says:

# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
#
# It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig using templates from
# /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub.

   /etc/default/grub does not have any line containing the string vmlinu.
 
*
   The only way I have been able to shut the machine off is by shutting
off the power, which is probably not a Good Thing.
 
In response to shutdown in rescue mode, it says

  /dev/initcl: no such file
 


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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 13:56:54 Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:53:39 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as
> > oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as
> > stable and 1 year as oldstable).
> 
> Nope, I expect "a minimum" of 2 years of full security patches support
> (the longer, the better), more or less because Debian has not a fixed
> release cycle like other distributions.

Note that Debian doesn't guarantee 2 years.  It would take some remarkably 
quick releases (harkening back to the buzz-rex-bo releases) to give some 
release less than 2 years, but I suppose it could happen.  (The repositories 
are /only/ 300 times the size of the bo repository.)

[OT] Have the Wheezy release goals been published?  I hope that multi-arch APT 
and wide (>%80 of main) package support is one of them.
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Re: upgrading squeeze/sid to stable

2011-02-23 Thread Aaron Toponce

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:26:12PM +0100, Alex Declent wrote:
> is it so simple
> 
> aptitude update
> aptitude upgrade
> 
> and squeeze/sid becomes stable?
> 
> are there any package repositories which must be added?

That's not upgrading. That's downgrading. Upgrading would be going
stable -> testing -> unstable. Going the other direction will likely
cause a great deal of breakage and other pain. If you want stable, you
need to reinstall your operating system.

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upgrading squeeze/sid to stable

2011-02-23 Thread Alex Declent


is it so simple

aptitude update
aptitude upgrade

and squeeze/sid becomes stable?

are there any package repositories which must be added?

alex


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shopt -s checkwinsize gone?



Hi Debainites

I just tried, on a testing/unstable partition, the above command
and it no longer works. It (shopt) is still shown in the bash 4.1-3
man page so I would expect it to work.

I have both bash and bash -completion 1:1.3-1 installed.

Have I missed something obvious, again?

TIA

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Things I Don't Understand About Debian

2011-02-23 Thread Carlos Mennens

1. Screen from console is not cleared as root or regular user once you log out.

2. Users home directories get created with 755 permissions. Anyone can
access your home directory and files.

3. Debian installer defaults to creating user group names which is just a mess.

Obviously these are not critical issues but in my opinion extremely
annoying and pointless. Does anyone know why Debian developers choose
these behaviors for a default Debian system? I just don't understand
the logic.


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Re: To 64 or Not to 64?

2011-02-23 Thread Aaron Toponce

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:27:31PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> Should I go to a 64-bit kernel? Benefits vs. Risks?
> Will 64bit enable kvm functionality on this box?

I've made these arguements on this list here before:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/05/msg01055.html

In terms of enabling hardware virtualization, check the flags in
/proc/cpuinfo.

% egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo

> Will this work with existing packages which could then be changed to 64 bit 
> piecemeal or if taking the plunge, must/should redo everything?

If you make the move to 64-bit, then you will need to reinstall your
operating system, and pull the packages from the amd64 repository.

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Re: To 64 or Not to 64?

On Mi, 23 feb 11, 22:27:31, David Baron wrote:
> I am currently running Sid, 32-bit with recent i686 32 bit kernels.

Did you try the -amd64 flavour? How much RAM do you have?

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Re: Where is the trust?

On Mi, 23 feb 11, 12:24:23, The Suspect wrote:
> 
> You might at least put up a secure SSL connection so that someone might have
> some chance to blindly trust your server's files. However, if you live in
> France, that might not be possible as I read somewhere that it is illegal to
> use crypto there. So, the only real way to provide some trust is to have
> your key package file included in the official debian archive. That way, if
> someone were to want to use your archive, then they could simply install
> your keyring package and then they would not have to blindly trust your
> server.

This has been discussed before, see the archives of debian-devel.

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Re: Side Question Regarding Modules (Related to Sound Server ?)

On Mi, 23 feb 11, 13:53:53, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> 
> How in the world did you figure out tthat unplugging the mouse would
> resolve a sound conflict?

I got lucky :)

I don't recall exactly what triggered it, but a while ago I realized 
that the sound would break only when that mouse is connected. Since I'm 
not using it I've had no more sound issues.

I was tracking this issue for years (no kidding). Because this is a 
headless machine (if you don't count the TV) it was running without a 
mouse most of times. Only on occasion I would connect the only spare 
mouse (PS/2), but I never made the connection to the sound issues.

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Re: Debian Multi-Media.


On 02/23/2011 01:50 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:


On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote:



Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or
widespread a bit more what is going on?



"Should"???

It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that
neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc,
those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it.


I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the right
ones.

I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable
releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can
then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories.



Yes, it would be nice and useful.

However, the word "should" in English expresses (in gcide's words) 
"moral obligation", and Christian Marillat is under no moral 
obligation to do so.  Merriam-Webster uses the similar phrase 
"express obligation, propriety, or expediency".


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To 64 or Not to 64?

2011-02-23 Thread David Baron

I am currently running Sid, 32-bit with recent i686 32 bit kernels.
Here is my cpu: ~$ lscpu
Architecture:  i686
CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit
CPU(s):2
Thread(s) per core:2
Core(s) per socket:1
CPU socket(s): 1
Vendor ID: GenuineIntel
CPU family:15
Model: 4
Stepping:  3
CPU MHz:   3000.282
L1d cache: 16K
L2 cache:  2048K

Should I go to a 64-bit kernel? Benefits vs. Risks?
Will 64bit enable kvm functionality on this box?

Will this work with existing packages which could then be changed to 64 bit 
piecemeal or if taking the plunge, must/should redo everything?


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Where is the trust?

2011-02-23 Thread The Suspect

>From where comes the trust for your archive?

Let me explain something that I am sure you are fully aware, just to point
it out.

Your site says to download the following keyring file in order to trust your
packages:

http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/debian-multimedia-keyring/debian-multimedia-keyring_2010.12.26_all.deb

Lets say that I work for the NSA, FBI, etc. and I want to gain access to
someone's computer. All that I have to do is to use a man in the middle
attack so that when such a request comes across the wire for that key file,
it will instead receive my evil exploit key file instead. Once a user
installs your package, and configures their system to your your package
archive, then I can replace ANY file on their system simply by providing an
updated version of such file. I would also have to mirror your archive and
block their access to it, or create some other way so that it would be
difficult for them to verify my actions. However, that is quite trivial when
I would also have direct access to their network connection. I could just
send an exploit package file, but then they could use your real key file to
see that it was a forgery. So, by intercepting requests for your key file, I
could compromise thousands of computers.

This might seem a bit paranoid, however, I live in the USA. So, as you
probably are well aware, my Government loves to spy on us Citizens, even
without warrant or cause.

So, I am basically stuck blindly trusting that your keyring file has not
been compromised and that your website is not an evil mirror.

You might at least put up a secure SSL connection so that someone might have
some chance to blindly trust your server's files. However, if you live in
France, that might not be possible as I read somewhere that it is illegal to
use crypto there. So, the only real way to provide some trust is to have
your key package file included in the official debian archive. That way, if
someone were to want to use your archive, then they could simply install
your keyring package and then they would not have to blindly trust your
server.

Sincerely,

The Suspect

Re: help with nvidia and BusID

2011-02-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Rob Owens wrote:

I'm trying to run the nvidia proprietary driver for a PCI video card.  I
also have an onboard video card.  I think xorg.conf needs to specify the
BusID in the device section like this:

Section "Device"
Identifier "nVidia FX 5200"
Driver "nvidia"
BusID  "PCI:00:06.0"
EndSection

lspci shows:

00:06.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX
5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])

Is this correct?  


Second question:  what if I want to use the tv-out connection instead of the 
DVI?  How do I specify that?



First question: I have

Section "Device"
Option  "AllowGLXWithComposite" "On"
Option  "RenderAccel"   "True"
Option  "RandRRotation" "1"
Option  "NvAGP" "0"
Option  "ConnectToAcpid""off"
Identifier  "nvidia0"
Driver  "nvidia"
VendorName  "NVidia"
BoardName   "GeForce 6200 AGP"
BusID   "PCI:4:0:0"
EndSection

and lspci gives:

04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 
GS] (rev a1)


Hugo


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cupsd fails to start - general protection fault

2011-02-23 Thread Joel Roth

Hi,

I'm running sid on amd64. My cupsd fails to start. 
>From /var/log/syslog:

kernel: [209082.595638] cupsd[31022] general protection ip:7fc2be37f5e8 
sp:7fff3feb7058 error:0 in libc-2.11.2.so[7fc2be30+158000]

Any ideas where I should go next? 

If it's nothing obvious, I'll report a bug.

Regards,

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Re: Debian Multi-Media.

2011-02-23 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com

On the 23/02/2011 20:50, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
>> On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>>> Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or
>>> widespread a bit more what is going on?
>>>
>>>
>> "Should"???
>>
>> It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that
>> neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc,
>> those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it.
> 
> I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the right 
> ones.
> 
> I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable 
> releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can 
> then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories.
> 
> Greetings,
> 

Hi, since debian-multimedia is a side project and not Debian proper it
makes sense that news regarding d-m are posted on d-m list and not here.
As for anyone using d-m and willing to stay on top of things subscribing to:
dmo-discuss...@debian-multimedia.org
and other d-m lists, or pay www.debian-multimedia.org a regular visit.
Seems like the right path to follow, to me at least.


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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:33:45 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> On Wednesday 23 February 2011 12:53:39 Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> On Mi, 23 feb 11, 17:01:41, Camaleón wrote:
>> > (effective
>> > Debian support for releases is about 2 years).
>> 
>> By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as
>> oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as
>> stable and 1 year as oldstable).
> 
> If you need longer support, and Ubuntu LTS is derived from Debian
> packaging and supported for 5 years on "servers".  

I don't see my self with Ubuntu/Canonical.

> SLED/SLES and RHEL
> might provide that length of support as well, but they are not derived
> from Debian packages.

Novell (SLES/SLED owner) is now almost dead (as company, not their linux 
distribution) because of the buyout by Attachmate which should be 
finishes in a few weeks. And openSUSE (which I left a year ago) has a 
short-term release cycle and support (18 months). There is a new effort 
in making a long-term supported openSUSE distribution by means of the 
Evergreen project.

RedHat (or CentOS) sounds interesting, but I prefer to keep Debian.
 
(...)

> Debian is the best, most free distribution out there, in part because of
> the excellent support provided by DDs.

Yes, it can sound a bit strange but having no company behind the 
distribution seems to me like a big "plus" :-)

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Re: Side Question Regarding Modules (Related to Sound Server ?)

2011-02-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Mi, 23 feb 11, 05:35:15, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote:
I was thinking about the reply I read to the restarting sound server 
question suggesting removing the modules and re inserting them, 
forgive me author of that post, I forget who suggested it...


Anyway I having not attempted this method before was thinking about 
how to go about it. I would assume an


# lsmod


That would involve at least some guesswork. 'lspci -v' also shows the 
kernel driver used for the specific device (not only for the sound 
card).
 

Would give you the names of your targeted modules and one would follow with

# modprobe -r ModName
 
&&


# modprobe ModName


Yes

But upon reading the man page for modprobe I get the felling the use 
of modprobe is intended for long term management of modules to be 
loaded and unloaded in kernel upon boot, e.g. You remove module for 
sound but fail to properly reload it and you system is fubar upon 
reboot. Should this be a concern with this method? Is modprobe the 
suggested method for this type of action or are their commands I'm not 
thinking/familure with for said purpose??


I will dare to say that if modprobe fails to reinsert the module 
something is *seriously* wrong with the system (hardware and/or 
software). The only problems I have encountered so far with this 
approach:


# modprobe -r snd-hda-intel
FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.

'lsof | grep snd' will help find out what is using it.

On another machine, the sound would suddenly just start distorting and 
removing and reinserting the module had no effect, the only way to get 
it back to normal was a power cycle. I eventually got rid of the problem 
when I unplugged the PS2 mouse so I assume it was a hardware conflict.




How in the world did you figure out tthat unplugging the mouse would 
resolve a sound conflict?


Hugo


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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:53:39 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Mi, 23 feb 11, 17:01:41, Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>> Lenny will drop security patches when wheezy comes out
> 
> or one year after the release of squeeze, whichever comes first[1]

Sure. I hope Wheezy is not released tomorrow :-)

  (effective
>> Debian support for releases is about 2 years).
> 
> By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as
> oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as
> stable and 1 year as oldstable).

Nope, I expect "a minimum" of 2 years of full security patches support 
(the longer, the better), more or less because Debian has not a fixed 
release cycle like other distributions.

> [1] http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan

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Re: Debian Multi-Media.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote:

>> Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or
>> widespread a bit more what is going on?
>>
>>
> "Should"???
> 
> It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that
> neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc,
> those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it.

I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the right 
ones.

I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable 
releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can 
then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories.

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Centrally locating email (was Re: SSH pauses)


On 02/22/2011 08:44 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
[snip]

an email (I log into my home box to read and send mail so it's all in
one place).



Install an IMAP server on your home box and then enable imaps.

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Re: selecting old machines for firewall/router use

2011-02-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> An unpatched machine [for whatever reason], behind NAT has a
> fighting chance, but one which is directly addressable from the

The protection offered by NAT is equivalent to a statefull firewall that
only allow sessions to be initiated by the inside[1]  Only, a firewall is
likely to do a better job of securing the network than a NAT gateway.

Nobody ever proposed directly attaching networks to the wide internet
without border protection.  That has nothing to do with NAT.

And that "unpatched machine" has no fighting chance at all, NAT or no NAT,
unless:

 1. none of its inside neighbours will attack it
 2. all the upgrade paths are safe
 3. nothing else is done while it is upgrading itself.

(2) can be quite difficult if any of the important software wants to open a
browser, and there are ads in the pages for example.  (3) depends on user
awareness.

[1] iptables -I FORWARD -i  -m conntrack --ctstate
NEW -j DROP  (or something like that).

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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 12:53:39 Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mi, 23 feb 11, 17:01:41, Camaleón wrote:
> > (effective
> > Debian support for releases is about 2 years).
> 
> By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as
> oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as
> stable and 1 year as oldstable).

If you need longer support, and Ubuntu LTS is derived from Debian packaging 
and supported for 5 years on "servers".  SLED/SLES and RHEL might provide that 
length of support as well, but they are not derived from Debian packages.  

However, any of these solutions will be rather limiting as far as which 
packages get support.  Debian supports all of main at the same level.  Debian 
usually supports contrib at the same level, but the Depends/Recommends on non-
free make things difficult at times.  Of course, much of non-free is largely 
unsupportable, due to the inability to view / modify the source code.  The 
Ubuntu support is only main/restricted not universe/multiverse.  SLES/SLED 
have a fairly complex support matrix, but intentionally don't include less 
popular or non-"core" packages; this leaves users to get many packages from 
semi-official or completely unofficial projects on the OBS.  I've not looked 
too hard into the support profile for RHEL, but I imagine it as similar to 
SLES/SLED.

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Re: Debian Multi-Media.


On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:04 +, Brad Rogers wrote:


For those concerned about oldstable at Debian Multimedia, you'll be
pleased to hear that it's being restored.  So far, about 90% is
available, according to Christian.


Good.

Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or
widespread a bit more what is going on?



"Should"???

It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing 
that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, 
bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad 
that he's doing it.


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Re: Setting the screen resolution in grub2

2011-02-23 Thread Rob van der Putten


Hi there


On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Brian wrote:


I got carried away there. /etc/default/console-setup doesn't alter the
screen resolution.


It does set COLUMNS and LINES.

Anyway. I solved the problem. It was a hardware and not a config problem;
The motherboard has a onboard VGA and had a NVidia AGP card. It wouldn't 
work without the NVidea. Nor with a PCI card. So I cleared the BIOS with a 
jumper.
It now works with the onboard VGA. My 1280x1024 monitor says it's at 
720x400, but my IBM 8513 (640x480@60 Hz / 640x400@72 Hz) just works.
The IBM 8513 is a 12 Inch monitor that I only use when I can't SSH to my 
server.


Thanks for all your input.


Regards,
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Re: Debian Multi-Media.

2011-02-23 Thread Brad Rogers

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:16:35 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

Hello Camaleón,

> Good.

I knew somebody would appreciate it.   :-)

> Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or 
> widespread a bit more what is going on?

That's up to Christian, not me.  I'm not a member of the team.  I do,
however, subscribe to the D-M mailing list where Christian posted the
info earlier today.

> Two-paragraph messages are not the best way of handling such
> notices :-)

It's better than no notice at all, surely?   :-D

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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

On Mi, 23 feb 11, 17:01:41, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> Lenny will drop security patches when wheezy comes out

or one year after the release of squeeze, whichever comes first[1]

  (effective 
> Debian support for releases is about 2 years).

By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as 
oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as 
stable and 1 year as oldstable).

[1] http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan

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Re: Cannot use USB floppy drive in Squeeze


On 02/23/2011 07:27 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:

I have recently install Debian Squeeze on an IBM ThinkPad X31.  It has
an external USB-attached floppy drive.  The BIOS sees it.  I can boot
from it just fine, and when running Windows 95 in MS-DOS mode (no WIN.EXE
running) I can access it as drive "A:".  I used the FORMAT command of
Windows 95 in MS-DOS mode to format a floppy disk (1.44M) without any
trouble.

When Squeeze boots, the following messages from dmesg appear to
be relevant:



<< SNIP >>

Not having a usb floppy I am just throwing this out there

Have you installed the  ufiformat package?   A search of the package
lists only show that (might) be helpful.

HTH
Wayne


sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled sense code
sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Sense Key : Medium Error [current]
Info fld=0x3
sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Add. Sense: Address mark not found for data field
sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00
end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 3
Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0

-

My next step was going to be dumping a disk image to it with "dd",
(diskette is R/W) but no I/O to the floppy drive is possible.

The bottom line is that the floppy drive is not usable.  What is wrong
here?  I did some searching on the internet, and I've seen other
posts with similar error messages, but none of them seem to match
my situation.




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Re: Debian 6.0

2011-02-23 Thread Chris Brennan

>
> 128 MB seems low for a GUI environment, but I'm fairly certain it is
> possible with Squeeze.
>
> Just for info, I recently did a minimal Wheezy install (no GUI) on a
> machine with 32 MB RAM and 2 GB disk (337 MB of 1.8 GB used for / with the
> remainder used as swap). It was a bit tricky (I had to enable a swap device
> near the start of the install) and slow, but it worked.
>
> I reckon I could get a basic GUI running on it too.
>

It is very possible, with a lightweight WM, to get X up and running, any of
the box WM's (fluxbox/openbox/blackbox), TWM or it's ilk will suite your
needs ... I run a lightwight X server on my Firewall box to manage some GUI
apps (static webpages that I need to see quickly and easily w/o waiting for
a new browser tab to open and load)

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Re: Re (2): Skype

2011-02-23 Thread David Goodenough

On Wednesday 23 February 2011, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> From: deloptes 
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:06:27 +0100
> 
> > I've been using this for few years now with skype and no problems cam is
> > philips SPC 1000/1030NC (pc is dell latitude d520)
> 
> Encouraging.  A Microsoft LifeCam NX-6000 and a Unibrain Fire-i
> both work for other applications here.  Skype has never produced
> even a test image for either.
> 
> Regards,... Peter E.
There is (was) a problem with the version of v4l libraries I seem to recall
with Skype.  For some cameras you have to load an old version.  If this
problem still exists I am sure that Google can track down the solution
which I used a while back with success.

David


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Re (2): Skype

2011-02-23 Thread peasthope

From:   deloptes 
Date:   Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:06:27 +0100
> I've been using this for few years now with skype and no problems cam is
> philips SPC 1000/1030NC (pc is dell latitude d520)

Encouraging.  A Microsoft LifeCam NX-6000 and a Unibrain Fire-i 
both work for other applications here.  Skype has never produced 
even a test image for either.

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Re: Debian 6.0

2011-02-23 Thread Dom

On 23/02/11 16:29, Klistvud wrote:

Dne, 22. 02. 2011 23:54:45 je Chris Brennan napisal(a):

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Marius Pehk 
wrote:

> What the heck version 6.0 when I can not insttall it?I hawe 8 DVDś
witout
> grapphical enviroment Penntium III 500E Acorp moterboard 440 chpset
128MB
> memori, ATi 2000 pro video card LG Flatron LCD monitor

Weird, because I have a GUI environment already and I only used the
minimal
install CD  I think you missed something during the install...

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128 MB seems a little low; does it satisfy Squeeze's minimal system
requirements at all? You must also provide adequate disk space for your
intended install.

128 MB seems low for a GUI environment, but I'm fairly certain it is 
possible with Squeeze.

Just for info, I recently did a minimal Wheezy install (no GUI) on a 
machine with 32 MB RAM and 2 GB disk (337 MB of 1.8 GB used for / with 
the remainder used as swap). It was a bit tricky (I had to enable a swap 
device near the start of the install) and slow, but it worked.

I reckon I could get a basic GUI running on it too.

Dom

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Re: Debian Multi-Media.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:04 +, Brad Rogers wrote:

> For those concerned about oldstable at Debian Multimedia, you'll be
> pleased to hear that it's being restored.  So far, about 90% is
> available, according to Christian.

Good.

Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or 
widespread a bit more what is going on?

Two-paragraph messages are not the best way of handling such notices :-)

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Re: help with nvidia and BusID

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:37:02 -0500, Rob Owens wrote:

> I'm trying to run the nvidia proprietary driver for a PCI video card.  I
> also have an onboard video card.  I think xorg.conf needs to specify the
> BusID in the device section like this:
> 
> Section "Device"
> Identifier "nVidia FX 5200"
> Driver "nvidia"
> BusID  "PCI:00:06.0"
> EndSection
> 
> lspci shows:
> 
> 00:06.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX
> 5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
> 
> Is this correct?

Have you tried by removing that setting? It works?

> Second question:  what if I want to use the tv-out connection instead of
> the DVI?  How do I specify that?

You can try with "xrandr". 

Alternatively, you can dive into nvidia manual to manually specify that 
option (there is a GUI for configuring this or you can edit the xorg.conf 
file by hand):

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/260.19.36/README/index.html

Just verify the version of the readme file matches your driver version.

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Re: Skype

2011-02-23 Thread deloptes

James Brown wrote:

> Simon Brandmair wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:20:02 +0100 Raffaele Morelli wrote:
>>> I wonder if anyone of you is currently using skype on debian amd64 and
>>> which app are you using.
>> 
>> I am successfully running the Ubuntu 8.10+ 64-bit version on debian
>> squeeze 64bit.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
> I am too. But I have problems with video.

I've been using this for few years now with skype and no problems cam is
philips SPC 1000/1030NC (pc is dell latitude d520)

regards


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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:35:19 -0600, Jason Hsu wrote:

(...)

> Is there anything wrong with sticking with Debian Lenny?  

I hope not. I'm also with lenny and won't upgrade until wheezy :-)

> Does Debian shut down support for old versions like Ubuntu does?  

Lenny will drop security patches when wheezy comes out (effective Debian 
support for releases is about 2 years).

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Re (2): wodim: Input/output error.

2011-02-23 Thread peasthope

Andrei,

From:   Andrei Popescu 
Date:   Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:37:14 +0200
> As far as I understand from the manpage the device is specified with 
> dev=...

Oops; yes.  Sorry for the distraction.  I should have reviewed the man page 
rather than rely on memory.

> Does it work if you use the full name instead?

wodim -v dev=/dev/sr0 /root/deb*.iso
works properly.  The I/O error was secondary to the failure 
to get the device parameter.  The new installer starts with 
no problem.

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Re: Debian 6.0

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:35:54 -0800, Marius Pehk wrote:

> What the heck version 6.0 when I can not  insttall it?I hawe 8 DVDś
> witout
>  grapphical enviroment Penntium III 500E Acorp moterboard 440 chpset
>  128MB
> memori, ATi 2000 pro video card  LG Flatron LCD monitor

And the error you get is...?

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Re: Debian 6.0

2011-02-23 Thread AG


On 22/02/11 22:35, Marius Pehk wrote:
What the heck version 6.0 when I can not insttall it?I hawe 8 DVDś 
witout grapphical enviroment Penntium III 500E Acorp moterboard 440 
chpset 128MB memori, ATi 2000 pro video card LG Flatron LCD monitor 


I second Chris' assessment: I used a netinstall disk and am up and running.

Check your hardware specs as Klistvud suggests and then be sure that at 
the tasksel option on the graphical install, select (graphical) desktop. 
The installation should take care of itself and boot you into a GUI 
login. If it doesn't, then your graphics card may be at fault, or it 
could be a failure in the installation process.


Best to post the error messages so that the knowledgeable folk here can 
help you more effectively.


Good luck.

AG


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Re: Debian 6.0

2011-02-23 Thread Klistvud


Dne, 22. 02. 2011 23:54:45 je Chris Brennan napisal(a):
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Marius Pehk   
wrote:


> What the heck version 6.0 when I can not  insttall it?I hawe 8 DVDś  
witout
>  grapphical enviroment Penntium III 500E Acorp moterboard 440  
chpset 128MB

> memori, ATi 2000 pro video card  LG Flatron LCD monitor


Weird, because I have a GUI environment already and I only used the  
minimal

install CD  I think you missed something during the install...


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128 MB seems a little low; does it satisfy Squeeze's minimal system  
requirements at all? You must also provide adequate disk space for your  
intended install.


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Re: Setting the screen resolution in grub2

2011-02-23 Thread Brian

On Wed 23 Feb 2011 at 15:23:02 +, Brian wrote:

> It can and it does. Your video card and the driver it uses have some
> bearing on this, as does /etc/default/console-setup.

I got carried away there. /etc/default/console-setup doesn't alter the
screen resolution.


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Re: Setting the screen resolution in grub2

2011-02-23 Thread Brian

On Wed 23 Feb 2011 at 14:52:56 +0100, Rob van der Putten wrote:

> How do I set the screen resolution to 640x480?
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=769" in /etc/default/grub doesn't work.
> There is lots of stuff on the web on how to do this, but I couldn't find  
> anything /etc/default/grub specific.

http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html

Section 5.1.


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Re: Setting the screen resolution in grub2

2011-02-23 Thread Brian

On Wed 23 Feb 2011 at 16:01:22 +0100, Rob van der Putten wrote:

> As far as I can tell Grub2 tries to figure out largest resolution and  
> number of colours the hardware (video card) supports and then uses this 
> as its default.

The default GRUB menu display screen is definitely 640x480. Are you
after controlling the screen resolution later in the boot process?

> Is it OK to run update-grub or should I run grub-install?
> Maybe update-grub doesn't install the right modules for a low resolution.
> It does put a 'set gfxpayload=text' in /boot/grub/grub.cfg though.

Run update-grub.

> I could be on the wrong track;
> The problems start after grub has run. Maybe the Linux boot process  
> overrides the resolution set by Grub.

It can and it does. Your video card and the driver it uses have some
bearing on this, as does /etc/default/console-setup.


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Re: best labtop for debian

2011-02-23 Thread Petrus Validus

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:27:44PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 01:33:21PM -0500, Petrus Validus wrote:
> > on them.  The only trouble I have with mine is getting the SD card slot 
> > to work and the fingerprint reader working but since I am not Agent 007 
> > I don't think I really need to worry about the latter. 
> 
> I wouldn't fancy "losing" a finger just because some thug thinks he can
> gain access that way. 

Touche.  :)

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Re: selecting old machines for firewall/router use

2011-02-23 Thread Steven Ayre

On 22 February 2011 00:45, Stan Hoeppner  wrote:

> shawn wilson put forth on 2/21/2011 6:05 PM:
> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Stan Hoeppner  >wrote:
> >
> >> Pascal Hambourg put forth on 2/21/2011 3:51 PM:
> >>> Stan Hoeppner a écrit :
> 
>  You only need one
>  NIC in your firewall box when using a switch.  You simply plug
>  everything into the switch including the DSL modem and the Netgear.
>  Bind both the public and private IP addresses to the same NIC in the
>  firewall using a virtual NIC: i.e. eth0 and eth0:1.
> >>>
> >>> This is a wrong idea because the firewall can be by-passed, leaving a
> >>> hole in the LAN security.
> >>
> >> Would you mind explaining why you believe this?
>
> > well, if you fill up a switch's arp cache, it starts acting like a hub.
> at
> > that point data goes everywhere.
>

Anything to a MAC in the cache will go to the right place, anything not in
the cache is broadcast.

If the cache is full, since nothing new can be added to the cache a MAC's
location can't be added and any data sent to that MAC will continue to be
broadcasted on all ports.

Since cache entries also expire, if an entry isn't refreshed in time it'll
get removed from the cache. If the cache fills back up before that MAC's
location gets readded then data sent to that MAC will also start to be
broadcasted.

It'd need a large number of ARP packets (an attack) to manage to fill the
cache up though... whether that data can get onto the network in the first
place is another matter.

> Would you mind pointing the list to the document that verifies your claim?
>
> > supposedly, there is also a way to 'pivot' past a nat device - i haven't
> > looked into this, so i can't speak to this much...
>
> Again, would you mind pointing us to a document that verifies this?
>
> I ask because neither are true, and I'd like to see the source of your
> misinformation.
>
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