Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-22 Thread Charles Kroeger 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:10:03 +0100
Frank McCormick  wrote:

> Anyone have a link to a good tutorial?

http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html

http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-21 Thread Andrei Popescu 
On Lu, 21 feb 11, 21:47:47, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > Does this count?
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
> 
> This isn't a bug in nouveau but I can appreciate the impact of 96 dpi in
> some situations. The user could adopt various approaches to alleviating
> the problem. For example: use xrandr, change font sizes or install a
> non-free driver. The choice might depend on the number of extra hoops
> needed in using nouveau. :)

Ok, I wasn't 100% fair here, since I do need nvidia from time to time 
for VDPAU and the occasional HoN[1] night. All three together are enough 
reason for me to only try nouveau out when I expect major changes to 
have happened.

[1] Heroes of Newerth

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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-21 Thread Brian 
On Mon 21 Feb 2011 at 14:51:00 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Sb, 19 feb 11, 20:10:28, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > With NVidia the almost automatic response is to dive into the proprietry
> > driver pool. It seems to me that unless 3D is a need (used by less than
> > 5% of users) or the card is not supported well, you are going to be
> > served well by the nouveau driver.
> > 
> > It is also set up automatically with a Squeeze or Sid install so why
> > jump through the hoops of getting a proprietry driver installed unless
> > you have particlar obvious needs.
> 
> Does this count?
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705

This isn't a bug in nouveau but I can appreciate the impact of 96 dpi in
some situations. The user could adopt various approaches to alleviating
the problem. For example: use xrandr, change font sizes or install a
non-free driver. The choice might depend on the number of extra hoops
needed in using nouveau. :)


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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-21 Thread Andrei Popescu 
On Sb, 19 feb 11, 20:10:28, Brian wrote:
> 
> With NVidia the almost automatic response is to dive into the proprietry
> driver pool. It seems to me that unless 3D is a need (used by less than
> 5% of users) or the card is not supported well, you are going to be
> served well by the nouveau driver.
> 
> It is also set up automatically with a Squeeze or Sid install so why
> jump through the hoops of getting a proprietry driver installed unless
> you have particlar obvious needs.

Does this count?
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705

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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-21 Thread Andrei Popescu 
On Sb, 19 feb 11, 12:43:23, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> >
> >After I posted to the list I found
> >http://linuxinside.blogspot.com/2008/03/debian-nvidia-drivers.html
> >
> from a text-based terminal ( CTRL-ALT-F1), you run:
> # sgfxi -c
> 
> and it runs & pulls in the headers for you & installs the latest
> NVIDIA driver from NVIDIA.

I prefer

apt-get install nvidia-glx

;)

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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Brian 
On Sat 19 Feb 2011 at 14:34:41 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 02/19/2011 02:10 PM, Brian wrote:
>>
>> With NVidia the almost automatic response is to dive into the proprietry
>> driver pool. It seems to me that unless 3D is a need (used by less than
>> 5% of users) or the card is not supported well, you are going to be
>> served well by the nouveau driver.
>
> Does nouveau support vdpau (which, even on the old 8400GS,  
> *significantly* reduces CPU usage when watching video)?

I'd never come across vdpau but it only took me a few seconds to find
this post from someone associated with the development of nouveau:

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2010-May/005725.html

HTH


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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Paul Cartwright 


On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:43:23 -0500
Paul Cartwright  wrote:

   

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:11:29 + (UTC)
Camaleón   wrote:


After I posted to the list I found
http://linuxinside.blogspot.com/2008/03/debian-nvidia-drivers.html


   

from a text-based terminal ( CTRL-ALT-F1), you run:
# sgfxi -c

and it runs&  pulls in the headers for you&  installs the latest NVIDIA
driver from NVIDIA.
 


And what is sgfxi ?

   

http://smxi.org/site/about.htm#sgfxi


 What is sgfxi (simple graphics installer - s gfx i)

The primary purpose of sgfxi is to install non-free graphics drivers. It 
also supports removing non-free graphics drivers and replacing them with 
the free version. To do this it cleans out the system of any previous 
drivers, then installs the latest versions of the driver you have 
requested.


Support for Ubuntu and Arch Linux has been added to sgfxi, so now it 
should work in most areas in Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch.



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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Frank McCormick 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:43:23 -0500
Paul Cartwright  wrote:

> >
> > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:11:29 + (UTC)
> > Camaleón  wrote:
> >
> >
> > After I posted to the list I found
> > http://linuxinside.blogspot.com/2008/03/debian-nvidia-drivers.html
> >
> >
> from a text-based terminal ( CTRL-ALT-F1), you run:
> # sgfxi -c
> 
> and it runs & pulls in the headers for you & installs the latest NVIDIA 
> driver from NVIDIA.


   And what is sgfxi ?

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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Ron Johnson 

On 02/19/2011 02:10 PM, Brian wrote:

On Sat 19 Feb 2011 at 13:23:22 -0500, Frank wrote:


Like I said, might have been an illusion - I have 3 distros on
this computer..Sid - Ubuntu Maverick and Ubunty Natty...I have
left Maverick with the Nouveau driver so we'll see. I am undecided
what to do with Natty...I mean it's already quite buggy (it's in
Alpha) so I may stick with Nouveau there as well. Sid is the
one I use 80% of the time. It would be **so* nice if Nvidia
open-sourced their Linux drivers!


With NVidia the almost automatic response is to dive into the proprietry
driver pool. It seems to me that unless 3D is a need (used by less than
5% of users) or the card is not supported well, you are going to be
served well by the nouveau driver.


Does nouveau support vdpau (which, even on the old 8400GS, 
*significantly* reduces CPU usage when watching video)?


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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Brian 
On Sat 19 Feb 2011 at 13:23:22 -0500, Frank wrote:

>Like I said, might have been an illusion - I have 3 distros on
> this computer..Sid - Ubuntu Maverick and Ubunty Natty...I have
> left Maverick with the Nouveau driver so we'll see. I am undecided
> what to do with Natty...I mean it's already quite buggy (it's in
> Alpha) so I may stick with Nouveau there as well. Sid is the
> one I use 80% of the time. It would be **so* nice if Nvidia
> open-sourced their Linux drivers!

With NVidia the almost automatic response is to dive into the proprietry
driver pool. It seems to me that unless 3D is a need (used by less than
5% of users) or the card is not supported well, you are going to be
served well by the nouveau driver.

It is also set up automatically with a Squeeze or Sid install so why
jump through the hoops of getting a proprietry driver installed unless
you have particlar obvious needs.


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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Wolodja Wentland 
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:59 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:
> 
> I am running Sid, and have just switched my video from Intel on-board
> to a NVIDIA based GE 5200.

I would recommend to use the DKMS [0] packages to install the
proprietary driver for nvidia cards.

Which package?
==

Depending on your chipset you need one of the following packages:

1. nvidia-kernel-dkms
2. nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms
3. nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms
4. nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms (only in sid)

You can check the list of supported chipsets on the nvidia page to find
which driver supports your card.

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/260.19.36/README/supportedchips.html
http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.24/README/supportedchips.html

Installation and Configuration
==

The installation of the dkms driver is more or less the same for each of
these pacakges.

Enable non-free sources
---

Make sure that each deb/deb-src lineends in "main contrib non-free". 
So, for example, the following line:

deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main

should be changed to:

deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

Note that "contrib" is not really needed, but you might want to add it
nonetheless if you plan to install packages like "flashplugin-nonfree".

You can learn more about the "cdn" mirror at 

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror

Package installation


Change the "nvidia-kernel-dkms" package to the one you actually need.

# aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` 
nvidia-kernel-dkms

Configuration
--

The Xorg version in squeeze is most elegantly configured by using an
empty, or rather nonexisting, /etc/X11/xorg.conf and by using device
specific config snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d. Every file whose
filename ends in ".conf" is included. So you basically do the following:

# mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d (if it does not exist)
# $EDITOR /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf

  With the following content:

  --- snip ---
  Section "Device"
Identifier "My GPU"
Driver "nvidia"
  EndSection'
  --- snip ---

Notes
=

Using the DKMS approach has the advantage that the module will be
compiled whenever you install a new kernel. I can understand that you
find the wiki page a bit confusing, but hope that you can follow my
instructions. This is the procedure we typically recommend in #d these
days.

Have a nice day

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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Paul Cartwright 


On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:11:29 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:


After I posted to the list I found
http://linuxinside.blogspot.com/2008/03/debian-nvidia-drivers.html

   

from a text-based terminal ( CTRL-ALT-F1), you run:
# sgfxi -c

and it runs & pulls in the headers for you & installs the latest NVIDIA 
driver from NVIDIA.





   



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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Frank 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:14:14 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:34:31 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:11:29 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote:
> > 
> >> > Anyone have a link to a good tutorial?
> >> 
> >> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> >> 
> >> 
> >   Thanks. Had a look at it, but got a little confused after reading
> > a page or two :)
> 
> Yep, is a bit fuzzy to get whole picture if you don't know what is the 
> current status of the nvidia driver for your VGA card and distribution.
> 
> All this stuff change very fast.
> 
> >> *But* if your card is a GeForce FX 5200, you may need the "legacy"
> >> version of the drivers (173.14.28).
> > 
> >   That's what I dl'ed from Nvidia.com
> 
> Then that's fine.
> 
> >> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.28/README/index.html
> >> 
> >> Anyway, have you tried first with "nouveau"?
> > 
> >   That's the first thing I tried . Seemed to be OK, but a little on
> > the slow side compared with my on-board Intel video. But that could have
> > been an illusion.
> 
> X-)
>  
> > After I posted to the list I found
> > http://linuxinside.blogspot.com/2008/03/debian-nvidia-drivers.html
> > 
> > I used that method, which for me worked perfectly. 
> 
> Good.
> 
> > But I know understand
> > using the DebianWiki way might have been better in the long run - seems
> > simpler after a Kernel update ???
> 
> Well, yes... installing using the "Debian way" is easier but you are limited 
> to one set of drivers (the ones available in "non-free" repository, that is 
> "173.14.27").
> 
> > Thanks- I have bookmarked all the sites.
> 
> Just remember that for any kernel update it's quite possible you need 
> to update the nvidia driver in the way the link you sent it shows. 
> 


   I am hoping kernel updates are few...:)

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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Frank 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:56:51 +
Brian  wrote:

> On Sat 19 Feb 2011 at 12:34:31 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:11:29 + (UTC)
> > Camaleón  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Anyway, have you tried first with "nouveau"?
> > 
> >   That's the first thing I tried . Seemed to be OK, but a little on
> > the slow side compared with my on-board Intel video. But that could
> > have been an illusion.
> 
> 'Slow'? Doing what? I have cards with the same chipset as you and
> slowness is not an issue with nouveau for me.
> 

   Like I said, might have been an illusion - I have 3 distros on
this computer..Sid - Ubuntu Maverick and Ubunty Natty...I have
left Maverick with the Nouveau driver so we'll see. I am undecided
what to do with Natty...I mean it's already quite buggy (it's in
Alpha) so I may stick with Nouveau there as well. Sid is the
one I use 80% of the time. It would be **so* nice if Nvidia
open-sourced their Linux drivers!


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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Camaleón 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:34:31 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:11:29 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> > Anyone have a link to a good tutorial?
>> 
>> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
>> 
>> 
>   Thanks. Had a look at it, but got a little confused after reading
> a page or two :)

Yep, is a bit fuzzy to get whole picture if you don't know what is the 
current status of the nvidia driver for your VGA card and distribution.

All this stuff change very fast.

>> *But* if your card is a GeForce FX 5200, you may need the "legacy"
>> version of the drivers (173.14.28).
> 
>   That's what I dl'ed from Nvidia.com

Then that's fine.

>> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.28/README/index.html
>> 
>> Anyway, have you tried first with "nouveau"?
> 
>   That's the first thing I tried . Seemed to be OK, but a little on
> the slow side compared with my on-board Intel video. But that could have
> been an illusion.

X-)
 
> After I posted to the list I found
> http://linuxinside.blogspot.com/2008/03/debian-nvidia-drivers.html
> 
> I used that method, which for me worked perfectly. 

Good.

> But I know understand
> using the DebianWiki way might have been better in the long run - seems
> simpler after a Kernel update ???

Well, yes... installing using the "Debian way" is easier but you are limited 
to one set of drivers (the ones available in "non-free" repository, that is 
"173.14.27").

> Thanks- I have bookmarked all the sites.

Just remember that for any kernel update it's quite possible you need 
to update the nvidia driver in the way the link you sent it shows. 

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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Brian 
On Sat 19 Feb 2011 at 12:34:31 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:11:29 + (UTC)
> Camaleón  wrote:
> > 
> > Anyway, have you tried first with "nouveau"?
> 
>   That's the first thing I tried . Seemed to be OK, but a little on
> the slow side compared with my on-board Intel video. But that could
> have been an illusion.

'Slow'? Doing what? I have cards with the same chipset as you and
slowness is not an issue with nouveau for me.


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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Frank McCormick 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:13:29 +
Allan Wind  wrote:

> On 2011-02-19 11:59:38, Frank McCormick wrote:
> > I am running Sid, and have just switched my video from Intel on-board
> > to a NVIDIA based GE 5200.
> > 
> 
> Install the linux-headers-$version package if you want to use the 
> NVIDIA installer.

  Thanks - that's what I ended up doing. I guess I should have
done an aptitude search for linux...not kernel.



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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Frank McCormick 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:11:29 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:59:38 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:
> 
> > I am running Sid, and have just switched my video from Intel on-board to
> > a NVIDIA based GE 5200.
> > 
> > Anyone have a link to a good tutorial?
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> 

  Thanks. Had a look at it, but got a little confused after reading
a page or two :)



> *But* if your card is a GeForce FX 5200, you may need the "legacy" version 
> of the drivers (173.14.28).

  That's what I dl'ed from Nvidia.com

> 
> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.28/README/index.html
> 
> Anyway, have you tried first with "nouveau"?

  That's the first thing I tried . Seemed to be OK, but a little on
the slow side compared with my on-board Intel video. But that could
have been an illusion.

After I posted to the list I found
http://linuxinside.blogspot.com/2008/03/debian-nvidia-drivers.html

I used that method, which for me worked perfectly.
But I know understand using the DebianWiki way might have been
better in the long run - seems simpler after a Kernel update ???

Thanks- I have bookmarked all the sites.




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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Allan Wind 
On 2011-02-19 11:59:38, Frank McCormick wrote:
> I am running Sid, and have just switched my video from Intel on-board
> to a NVIDIA based GE 5200.
> 
> Now I am thoroughly confused about how to install NVIDIAs driver.
> I DL'ed the latest run file from Nvidia.com, now when I attempt to
> get it to install the proper module(s), it tells me I need the
> kernel source. Doing an aptitude search for kernel turns up a lot
> of nvidia-related files (including module sources and binary modules)
> but no kernel source. 
> Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Install the linux-headers-$version package if you want to use the 
NVIDIA installer.


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Re: Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Camaleón 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:59:38 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:

> I am running Sid, and have just switched my video from Intel on-board to
> a NVIDIA based GE 5200.
> 
> Now I am thoroughly confused about how to install NVIDIAs driver. I
> DL'ed the latest run file from Nvidia.com, now when I attempt to get it
> to install the proper module(s), it tells me I need the kernel source.
> Doing an aptitude search for kernel turns up a lot of nvidia-related
> files (including module sources and binary modules) but no kernel
> source.
> Am I barking up the wrong tree?
> 
> Anyone have a link to a good tutorial?

http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

*But* if your card is a GeForce FX 5200, you may need the "legacy" version 
of the drivers (173.14.28).

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.28/README/index.html

Anyway, have you tried first with "nouveau"?

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Switching to NVIDIA

2011-02-19 Thread Frank McCormick 

I am running Sid, and have just switched my video from Intel on-board
to a NVIDIA based GE 5200.

Now I am thoroughly confused about how to install NVIDIAs driver.
I DL'ed the latest run file from Nvidia.com, now when I attempt to
get it to install the proper module(s), it tells me I need the
kernel source. Doing an aptitude search for kernel turns up a lot
of nvidia-related files (including module sources and binary modules)
but no kernel source. 
Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Anyone have a link to a good tutorial?


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