Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway
> I see Alligate as an excellent compliment to our Imail 8.15/Declude > 1.82 setup. i.e., it's a completely non-Declude-related product, whose vendor spammed you on the Declude list. And you don't have problem with that, because I don't think you've seen it before on other lists. It's so brazen that you can't believe it's spam. But it is. > I for one was thankful to learn about it through this list, as we've > been struggling with finding an SMTP filtering gateway to sit in > front of our working, stable Imail/Declude setup. "Working, stable": so why are you looking for a gateway? Somebody who truly regards their single MX/mailbox server as stable (one might define this as "coping under peak observed load with no user-facing effects") wouldn't be "struggling" to find a gateway. They might be _browsing_ for a gateway in their idle time and not really pursuing it. But If you're actively "struggling," I can't imagine which Internet you're using that's making it so hard to demo and decide on -- using good ol' "pull technology" -- a suitable solution. And: why haven't you posted to the list about this before, if you creally onsider what you're seeking an innocent "compliment" to Declude that can be readily discussed and even advertised on this list? > I didn't have any prior experience with Alligate or Brian so my > reading of the announcement was strictly informational. Brochurespeak euphemized as "information"! I've gotta hand it to ya. You're totally on board with this thing. Nonetheless, I shall continue to state my case. > I don't see Alligate being a competitor to Imail or SmarterMail. It > doesn't provide pop3, imap, webmail, or anything of the things that > our customers call their mail server. It's disingenuous to claim that IMail and SmarterMail are both not used as wrapper MTAs for Declude fronting either internal mailbox servers or remote MXs. The number of people on this list offering such service undermines your position. > It could compete against Declude. Except it works at the initial > SMTP connection level (Pre processing) whereas Declude works after > the SMTP connection is complete (Post processing). It is in fact somewhat comparable to IMGate (PostFix) which as I mentioned is a maybe-free solution that has been advertised on the IMail list for quite a while, by the vociferous and often-wrong Len Conrad. But you're not getting the difference. IMGate is sneakily named IMGate to piggyback on the IMail brand, sure, and the relationship is tenuous at best (only some IMail-aware sync scripts make it anything different from a PostFix HOWTO). I've always been offended by this misleading quality, and I've gotten into bitter wars with Len when it seems that he is specifically upselling the "pay" version to IT newbies that he knows, based on their basic knowledge of SMTP and DNS, will have no chance of following the cookbook themselves. But when he cools off on that, I think his promotion is markedly different; it still intrinsically rubs me the wrong way, given how little he actually knows about IMail, but at least it's more PostFix zealotry than greed. And he at least helps a lot of people with vendor-neutral DNS and SMTP practices. But Alligate is *only* commercial, and has nothing to do with Declude other than being a possible competitor. I don't care about the hamstrung 10-connection version. There are plenty of free gateway-only MTAs that have no connection limits, and that ALSO have nothing to do with Declude! The difference is that their vendors don't spam this list, without putting any current effort into the Declude community. > If Declude offered a stable pre-processing solution, I for one would > sign up immediately. And until then, anyone can spam? I'll get on it. > As I am not aware of any information from Declude stating they have > a solution for this, we've all had to look elsewhere (5XX, Vamsoft, > IMGate, etc). 5XXSink is free. ORF is not advertised here by the vendor. IMGate is not advertised here by the vendor and may be free. > Dictionary attacks are killing us, as is the volume of spammers > hitting our Imail box. ANYTHING to minimize what Imail/Declude has > to process, without costing and arm and a leg, or a forklift upgrade > is welcome! Like I said, I hope we get some more spam so you can see how little you actually believe this. > Alligate is a step above the 5XXSINK, by including tarpitting, > detailed text logs, secondary SMTP AUTH port, connection blocking, > etc. You mean a big shrink-wrapped software company wrote a more fully-featured commercial product than the freeware written by a solo systems programmer? Shocking. > To me it's the right solution at the right time. Sure, because you didn't mind the spam. Had you been spammed by Vamsoft, maybe you'd be
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail
I should amend this by saying that functionality to append within Declude and Sandy's product append to all messages, so an external script would be necessary if you want to selectively append. Darin. - Original Message - From: "Darin Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail With Declude you can add footers to text messages, and Sandy has an add-in that can add a footer to HTML messages. Or you could write a script to run as an external test in Declude (or plug it directly into the mail handling workflow) to parse the message and put a statement in the body of the message if it is being forwarded to an AOL address. You may have to check the registry to determine if it will be forwarded, though. I don't think you'll see that in the message itself due to the forwarding not occurring until after the message is delivered to the mailbox or alias. Darin. - Original Message - From: "Marc Catuogno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail Can Declude, IMAIL (or anything) add text to subject of an e-mail that is being forwarded to an outside e-mail address? I have too many users (that I am not allowed to stop) forwarding their e-mail to AOL. Of course some SPAM slips through and they hit "report spam" effectively reporting my server as SPAM. I would like to add something to the subject of these e-mails so that they know it was from Prudential Rand and MAYBE, just maybe, they won't hit that stupid useless button Thanks - Marc --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Caution - spamcop listing at least one RIM blackberry server
216.9.248.49 is listed in SpamCop, since at least 5am PST. See: http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=blcheck&ip=216.9.248.49 I would guess because of bounced viruses (e.g. the latest round of Bagle that started last night). The page above notes that a neighbouring IP (from which I have received good mail) has had a SpamCop listing previously (but not currently). I recommend: REMOTEIP -20 CIDR 216.9.240.0/20 Or some similar weight in one of your Declude JunkMail Pro filter files. Andrew 8) --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway
I see Alligate as an excellent compliment to our Imail 8.15/Declude 1.82 setup. I for one was thankful to learn about it through this list, as we've been struggling with finding an SMTP filtering gateway to sit in front of our working, stable Imail/Declude setup. I didn't have any prior experience with Alligate or Brian so my reading of the announcement was strictly informational. I don't see Alligate being a competitor to Imail or SmarterMail. It doesn't provide pop3, imap, webmail, or anything of the things that our customers call their mail server. It could compete against Declude. Except it works at the initial SMTP connection level (Pre processing) whereas Declude works after the SMTP connection is complete (Post processing). If Declude offered a stable pre-processing solution, I for one would sign up immediately. As I am not aware of any information from Declude stating they have a solution for this, we've all had to look elsewhere (5XX, Vamsoft, IMGate, etc). Dictionary attacks are killing us, as is the volume of spammers hitting our Imail box. ANYTHING to minimize what Imail/Declude has to process, without costing and arm and a leg, or a forklift upgrade is welcome! Alligate is a step above the 5XXSINK, by including tarpitting, detailed text logs, secondary SMTP AUTH port, connection blocking, etc. To me it's the right solution at the right time. IMGate wouldn't work for us because my staff doesn't do *nix, and I don't want to be the only one to support the box ;) I've got to sleep sometimes. Since we let our Imail support lapse and are holding judgment on SmarterMail until v3 is released, we're in a technical holding pattern while the spammers continue to assault our servers. I don't think I'm alone, which means there is an opportunity for someone and a potential market. While I love all this stuff, I have to eat too, and don't fault anyone for turning my pain into their financial gain so they can eat, if the value proposition is right. R. Scott Perry got assaulted on the Imail list repeatedly for years for pushing his wares. Imail had a gap-in-functionality, Declude seized the moment and profited by patching that gap. I was thankful for his repeated input/arguments and purchased his product - against Imail's own later offering. I hope Declude isn't struggling - they are vital to our business. I also hope that others aren't silent about other available options, competitive or otherwise. This list is so great for learning - where else can one go to learn more about real-world, ISP-level email delivery? Sorry for the ramble, just had to put my .02 in... Maintain, Babul (210) 696-1130, ext. 102 (210) 696-0572 [fax] Text Pager Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Montopolis Group, Ltd. - www.montopolis.com "Building stronger businesses... with Technology" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Posted At: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:35 PM Posted To: Lists - Declude JunkMail Conversation: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that "mail is stopped before Declude has to deal with it" attempt at association. It is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no integral link to the now-struggling Declude. At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/rel ease/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/dow nload/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/downloa d/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], an
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail
With Declude you can add footers to text messages, and Sandy has an add-in that can add a footer to HTML messages. Or you could write a script to run as an external test in Declude (or plug it directly into the mail handling workflow) to parse the message and put a statement in the body of the message if it is being forwarded to an AOL address. You may have to check the registry to determine if it will be forwarded, though. I don't think you'll see that in the message itself due to the forwarding not occurring until after the message is delivered to the mailbox or alias. Darin. - Original Message - From: "Marc Catuogno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail Can Declude, IMAIL (or anything) add text to subject of an e-mail that is being forwarded to an outside e-mail address? I have too many users (that I am not allowed to stop) forwarding their e-mail to AOL. Of course some SPAM slips through and they hit "report spam" effectively reporting my server as SPAM. I would like to add something to the subject of these e-mails so that they know it was from Prudential Rand and MAYBE, just maybe, they won't hit that stupid useless button Thanks - Marc --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Adding text to Subject of FORWARDED e-mail
Can Declude, IMAIL (or anything) add text to subject of an e-mail that is being forwarded to an outside e-mail address? I have too many users (that I am not allowed to stop) forwarding their e-mail to AOL. Of course some SPAM slips through and they hit "report spam" effectively reporting my server as SPAM. I would like to add something to the subject of these e-mails so that they know it was from Prudential Rand and MAYBE, just maybe, they won't hit that stupid useless button Thanks - Marc --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] JunkMail and Virus Mailing List Etiquette
We have refrained from setting rules on our mailing lists but the time has come to remind subscribers of a few basics. The mailing lists are designed to provide a forum for all of us to better learn and understand issues that are being faced by the community • Do try to think about the message content before you send it out. • Do make sure that the content is relevant to the recipients. Nobody likes to receive junk email. • Do be polite. Constructive criticism is usually welcome but blatant abuse is not. • Do trim any quoted message down as much as possible. • Do ensure that you have a relevant "Subject" line. • Do include a brief signature on your email messages to help the recipient understand who it is from, especially if you are dealing with someone you do not know very well. • Do be careful when replying to mailing list messages. Are you sure you want to reply to the whole list? • Do remember to delete anything that isn't needed or is trivial. • Do remember to post bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] where they will be logged and tracked. • Don't conduct arguments on the mailing list. • Don't make personal remarks about third parties. There have been some recent comments about advertising third party applications on the mailing lists and the rule that should apply is: “If the product being discussed is not a competitor to Declude, SmarterMail or IMail and can enhance the effectiveness of our users then it is an appropriate topic. This includes such applications as Sniffer, DL Analyzer and iPlus Info Browser.” Barry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 1/25/2006 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: AW: AW: [Declude.JunkMail] Spool Directory Backed Up
Guhl, Markus (LDS) wrote: hi john, we did not changed those settings when we changed from declude 2.x to 3.0.5.23 (queue timer is 20 and tries before returning to sender is also 20) but those queueruns did not even start. also a *.fwd should be processed right away (at least this was my expirience when will still used declude 2.x). when i force imail to deliver (by using send all) it works, so it looks like something is preventing imail from starting the queuerun but not from doing the queuerun. i'm just guessing, but could it be that some of the new declude-processes are blocking parts of the imail processes? This is our experience as well. I've used the suggestion of manually restarting the queue run every hour, but that's a rather ugly kludge. I have no idea how Declude would be influencing the queue like this, since I thought that that operation came *after* any Declude functions, but we did not have this problem prior to the upgrade, and with the Postfix box getting rid of 99% of the distributed dictionary attacks, there's no other explanation for an expanding balloon of queued mail that sits there unless I start directly using the web interface spool control to send them. -- A. Clausen --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway
Anyone willing to share more info on this? Timetable? Thanks, Brian T. - Original Message - From: "John T (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway Plans for a gateway version of Declude are still alive. John T eServices For You > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:02 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: SMTP Gateway > > Judging by the responses, I suppose that it is inappropriate, at least > without approaching Barry about promoting this product here. I don't > however believe that the intentions were to snipe customers away from > Declude, but instead to provide a value-added solution to those of us > that require an address-validating gateway or pre-scanner of some sort. > His company has of course previously offered a plug-in for Declude, and > publishes a blacklist that many around here are making use of as well. > I don't believe that they are looking at this product as a big money > maker for them, or even a money maker at all. Even programs like > Sniffer has some potential of competing with Declude, though both are of > course stronger as a result of working together. It would be good for > Declude to offer a gateway solution of some sort or find a partner to do so. > > Matt > > > > Sanford Whiteman wrote: > > >I can't believe what is apparently permissible on this list. Has no > >one realized that this product is a commercial competitor to IMail or > >SmarterMail, with no relevance to Declude? Don't try that "mail is > >stopped before Declude has to deal with it" attempt at association. It > >is what it is. A separate, commercial anti-spam gateway with no > >integral link to the now-struggling Declude. > > > >At least Len Conrad's free cookbook for IMGate has the exact same > >features as the one he charges $500 to install. That's always been the > >redeeming quality of his plugging model. Guess the game has changed. > > > >For everyone who's silently letting this go: how'd you feel if Vamsoft > >started advertising here? Do you think there aren't other people on > >the list who've kept quiet about similar products and services? > > > >--Sandy > > > > > > > >Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist > >Broadleaf Systems, a division of > >Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. > >e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! > > http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release / > > > >Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! > > > http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/downloa d/rel > ease/ > > > http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/re lease/ > > > >--- > >[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] > > > >--- > >This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > >unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > >type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > >at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
