Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2019-DEC-12

2019-12-13 Thread Kaganski Mike
Dear Paul,

12 дек. 2019 г. 17:30 пользователь paul hofseth  написал:

Sirs,

please do not waste scarce coding resources on thoroughly trivial
matters like colours and signage, but rather on making the programs more
practical to use -  such as for instance having the choice of typeface
as a sdeparate item, not hidden inside the multiple format choices.
Risking ostracism fro monotounous suggestions, I repeat my wish for
sequential views of single pages with as little jumbling as possible of
text and illsustrations when proofreading long documents

Please do not waste scarce coding resources on thoroughly trivial
matters like telling others what to do, but rather on making the programs more
practical to use!

Why do I write this rather harsh statement? Not in the hope that you would 
start doing what I wrote, but to show you one important aspect that you seem to 
overlook. What would you do if you actually be denied of a way to contribute by 
expressing your opinions and wishes, and demanded to do something entirely 
different for the project? For most, such requirement would not mean they 
started contributing differently; that would mean they stopped contributing at 
all. Most people here contribute for one of two reasons: either being paid for 
the work by their employers/customers, or doing things they *can* for own 
enjoyment. Not everyone here likes or is able to do what you'd want them to do 
to fix your pet bug; and your expectation that if you deny someone of doing 
what *you* consider "trivial" would free the resources for a different task, 
are just plain wrong: instead of improving the areas you are interested in, we 
would simply loose those who love and able to contribute in areas *others* are 
interested in, nothing else.

By the way, I actually deem the importance of *your* contriburion (expressing 
your opinion about LibreOffice and its future, feeling for it, and proposing 
something) wery high. So please don't take the initial statement seriously, but 
just as a way to illustrate my point.

Best regards,

Mike Kaganski


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2019-DEC-12

2019-12-12 Thread paul hofseth

Sirs,

please do not waste scarce coding resources on thoroughly trivial 
matters like colours and signage, but rather on making the programs more 
practical to use -  such as for instance having the choice of typeface 
as a sdeparate item, not hidden inside the multiple format choices. 
Risking ostracism fro monotounous suggestions, I repeat my wish for 
sequential views of single pages with as little jumbling as possible of 
text and illsustrations when proofreading long documents


yours

ph
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Paul Hofseth

Vestgrensa 11
Oslo
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t: +47 90890521

Den 2019-12-12 14:37, skrev Heiko Tietze:

Present: Heiko
Comments from: Dieter, Bogdan, Mike, Stuart

Tickets

 * Repeat shortcut (Ctrl+Shift+Y) is too far for short-finger users
using en (qwerty) keyboard
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129058
   + WFM (Heiko)
   + perhaps alt+Y (Stuart)
   + I always use TWO hands for that keyboard shortcuts =) (Roman)
   + keyboard issue for English, see also bug 115052 for other than 
English
   + Excel (or all MSO) uses F4 (or ctrl+Y) for "repeat last action" 
(but the

 same key also for redo)
   + shift+ctrl+r - cannot press it without hurting myself, ctrl+at+r 
works

   + alt+ should be reserved for hotkeys
   + keep it - common, usable (maybe not for everyone), consistent 
(Heiko)

   + more opinions needed (Roman)
   => no further input, WF

 * Page sidebar: "Same Content" on header/footer sections is
absolutely illogical
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129200
   + make it similar to the page dialog with checkboxes (Dieter)
   => go for it

 * PRINTING: Change The Color of Print Preview Active Page Border
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129235
   + greenish background, triangles or printer icons in the background,
 light blue frame, different shadow...
   => let's try

 * Draw menu entry: Shape or Shapes?
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129288
   + -1 (Heiko, Bogdan)
   + +1 (Stuart)
 + Shape --> Shapes, Sheet --> Sheets, Form --> Forms, Page 
(singular)

 + change all singular at once
   => trust the native speaker and do as Stuart suggest


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