date:20121111

Here's a collection of all materials we have so far about ApacheCon EU. 
This may be especially useful if someone wants to prepare a 
post-conference press release or blog post, something with a more 
organic structure than the "daily reports". I think most of the 
conference content hasn't received appropriate coverage in press yet.


Daily reports from the conference are available at:
- http://s.apache.org/openoffice-aceu2012-day-1
- http://s.apache.org/openoffice-aceu2012-day-2
- http://s.apache.org/openoffice-aceu2012-day-3

Presentation abstracts are reachable from
http://www.apachecon.eu/schedule/
(note: the name in the schedule is the speaker, which is often different 
from the author; open the links to see the authors)


Slides and audio/video will be available sooner or later on
http://www.apachecon.eu
but if someone needs something specific Pedro has most of the slides and 
we are of course available to give more information.


Pictures:
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/awf-aoo/sets/ (Andre)
- https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gabjkfhzqcyfw8p/ouBYojX5P9 (imacat)
- http://360.io/LWdsMb (Andrew Rist, interactive 360 degrees picture)
- MISSING (didn't make it to the list; Andrew Rist, group picture)
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/89947020@N07/sets/ (Andrea, new!)

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [Templates site]Cannot register

I can just confirm that I have the same problem. To me it seems as if the
site changes (from incubator) inhibeted the sending of mails. I trace the
html post, and that seems to be ok.

rgds
Jan I.

On 11 November 2012 23:28, RGB ES  wrote:

> An user on the ES mailing list have problems registering on the Templates
> site, so I tried the process... and failed as well.
>
> After filling the fields on the registering page(1) nothing arrived to my
> mailbox. Then, I selected the "ask for a new password" ("Solicitar nueva
> contraseña") option and nothing happened: no mail to my mailbox.
>
> If I try to register again using the same username and/or email the system
> tell me that the user already exists and suggest me to ask for a new
> password... process that do not work.
>
> I never was offered to set a first password so the registration is
> completely locked.
>
> Any idea where the problem is?
>
> (1) http://templates.openoffice.org/es/user/register
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>

[Templates site]Cannot register

2012-11-11 Thread RGB ES

An user on the ES mailing list have problems registering on the Templates
site, so I tried the process... and failed as well.

After filling the fields on the registering page(1) nothing arrived to my
mailbox. Then, I selected the "ask for a new password" ("Solicitar nueva
contraseña") option and nothing happened: no mail to my mailbox.

If I try to register again using the same username and/or email the system
tell me that the user already exists and suggest me to ask for a new
password... process that do not work.

I never was offered to set a first password so the registration is
completely locked.

Any idea where the problem is?

(1) http://templates.openoffice.org/es/user/register

Regards
Ricardo

Re: Question ad FOSDEM 2013

Sorry it was not my intention to put my foot down on the wrong place, I
forgot to write the 24 hour is no delay in my opinion, and very sensible !!

Sorry, for my wording, but I am not an english native. I was just confused.
I look forward to your  opening of a new discussion.

And to put it in open, I have no intention of perusing the right to speak
at FOSDEM, everybody else is more qualified that I am , So I will step down
if anybody takes the handle, but I think FOSDEM is very important for AOO
(in 24 hours).

Sorry for having said the right thing at the wrong time, you have my full
support.

Jan.

On 11 November 2012 22:45, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 11/11/2012 jan iversen wrote:
>
>> So you are saying "hold your horses" to me and others getting ready for
>> FOSDEM ??
>>
>
> I'm saying that we have a talk submission deadline for ApacheCon North
> America coming in less than 24 hours. Focus can then switch to FOSDEM, but
> talking about two big conferences at the same time can be confusing and
> misleading (have a look at the apechecon-discuss archives if you need
> examples). Nobody will suffer too much if we start focusing (again) on
> FOSDEM in 24 hours and give ApacheCon NA the spotlight in the meantime.
>
>
>  Can you please spend a few words on what the correct procedure is ?
>>
>
> I'll give all details in an appropriate thread, which I'll create in 24
> hours. We are going to have some nice and long discussions there, so I
> definitely prefer to get it right from the start. And we will have abundant
> time to discuss and plan, rest assured.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>

Re: Some photos from ApacheCon

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:36 AM, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> if you like photos that are slightly out of focus and underexposed then
> please go to
>
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**awf-aoo/sets/
>
> I have uploaded some impressions of the ApacheCon.
>
> Best regards,
> Andre
>

Very fun...and the captions were highly amusing! :)

-- 

MzK

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 she wants, rather than to create it herself?”

-- Anais Nin

Re: Question ad FOSDEM 2013


On 11/11/2012 jan iversen wrote:

So you are saying "hold your horses" to me and others getting ready for
FOSDEM ??


I'm saying that we have a talk submission deadline for ApacheCon North 
America coming in less than 24 hours. Focus can then switch to FOSDEM, 
but talking about two big conferences at the same time can be confusing 
and misleading (have a look at the apechecon-discuss archives if you 
need examples). Nobody will suffer too much if we start focusing (again) 
on FOSDEM in 24 hours and give ApacheCon NA the spotlight in the meantime.



Can you please spend a few words on what the correct procedure is ?


I'll give all details in an appropriate thread, which I'll create in 24 
hours. We are going to have some nice and long discussions there, so I 
definitely prefer to get it right from the start. And we will have 
abundant time to discuss and plan, rest assured.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Question ad FOSDEM 2013

So you are saying "hold your horses" to me and others getting ready for
FOSDEM ??

I have been talking with juergen, to ensure that I helped the community and
not (as it happened before) put my foot to hard down on turf "belonging" to
someone else.

Can you please spend a few words on what the correct procedure is ? I will
not propose a main talk, unless it has the backup of the community !

I think we need all the exposure we can get, especially at FOSDEM, where
all openSource is represented !

rgds
jan I.

On 11 November 2012 22:10, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) wrote:
>
>> So there is an AOO room on Saturday at FOSDEM 2013,.
>> Is there any need for talks/presentations?
>>
>
> Sure, and proposals from you and others will be most welcome. But we still
> have several weeks available, and we are trying to avoid overlap with the
> current track discussions for ApacheCon North America (talk submission due
> by today-tomorrow depending on timezone).
>
> Next week FOSDEM will be back in the spotlight and we will discuss all
> available opportunities. Stay tuned on ooo-dev!
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>

Re: Question ad FOSDEM 2013


Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) wrote:

So there is an AOO room on Saturday at FOSDEM 2013,.
Is there any need for talks/presentations?


Sure, and proposals from you and others will be most welcome. But we 
still have several weeks available, and we are trying to avoid overlap 
with the current track discussions for ApacheCon North America (talk 
submission due by today-tomorrow depending on timezone).


Next week FOSDEM will be back in the spotlight and we will discuss all 
available opportunities. Stay tuned on ooo-dev!


Regards,
  Andrea.

[question] flex and shortcoming

Hi.

I would like to hear your opinion on the following problem:

The l10n tools uses flex, which is quite nice, however I have found two
problems with flex:

- the .l sources defines YYLMAX, but the generated .c source declares
yytext[YYLMAX] BEFORE the definition code it sucked in. I have verified
this with the flex sources, nothing to do about it. the flex generated c
sources start with flex things (including yytext[YYLMAX]) and then the
first part of the .l file is included. The manual states to use YYLMAX to
change the yytext buffer size, but with the current flex sources it does
not work.

- the .l sources defines a '%option prefix="genXrm_"`which according to the
manual should replace all yy in the generated code, however it does not
work for yytext and yytext_ptr, because the are instanciated before the
code is included.

The leads to two problems:
- YYLMAX not being used, it a performance degradation on all platforms (but
no real problem).
- yytext not being changed, is in Ubuntu (linux) not a problem, but in
windows I had to use a new swich (/forcemultiple), and I have no clue about
mac.

I see different solutions:
1) I edit the generated .c file, and make a thick note, that if the .l file
is translated, that has to be changed.
2) I create a sed that takes the output of flex and does the trix, this
requires changing the details of the make files.
3) I report the bug to the flex people with a patch, and we wait until a
new version is ready.

I am for version 1), but I would like to hear opinions ?

thanks in advance.
Jan I.

Re: Question ad FOSDEM 2013

Hi.

I am looking at preparing a talk about the new l10n / build process
especially managing the workflow. This is done in cooperation with juergen
and andre. I will send it later as a proposal.

Call for papers to Main track is december 1, so we do have some time left.

Speaks/presentation/discussion in devroom can (as far as I know) be
arranged with short notice.

have a nice evening.
Jan I.

On 11 November 2012 20:56, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) wrote:

> So there is an AOO room on Saturday at FOSDEM 2013, .
>
> Is there any need for talks/presentations? If there is a need, what
> contents are needed and to whom
> should one send a proposal by when?
>
> ---rony
>
>

Re: volunteer position

On 11/10/2012 02:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maseeh Sabir wrote:

Hello,
My name is Maseeh Sabir and I am a recent graduate of Louisiana State
University with a degree in computer science. Currently I am working with
an Healthcare IT/Consulting company here in Louisana, US. I am a .Net
developer and have experience in c# VB. Our software is heavily dependent
on data from database engines. So I have lots of experience working with
databases. I also have some experience in Java using eclipse and
JDeveloper.

Hello Maseeh,

Thanks for asking about how you can volunteer with the Apache
OpenOffice project. I am up in Massachusetts, near Boston. But I
did enjoy a vacation in New Orleans a couple of years ago. I don't
know how you survive the heat and humidity! Of course, three feet of
snow is not for everyone either...

I saw the link for volunteers. I am interested in helping with any area
based on my skills. As a new developer, I believe this will help me learn
new skills and improve my experience. Please let me know how can I get
started

OpenOffice is mainly written in C++. If you are interested in
developing skills in C++ this could be one way. But it is not the
easiest introduction to the language.

I see you mention Java and Eclipse experience. We use both in our
test automation framework. This uses Java to write JUnit test cases
that exercise the GUI of OpenOffice, We run the test suite in
Eclipse. I don't think we have much test coverage for Base (the
database component in OpenOffice). So this could be one way of using a
combination of your current skills.

If you look at this page we list a bunch of different project where we
welcome volunteers:

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html

Also, we've started some "new volunteer orientation modules" here:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/index.html
(work in progress).

You sent your note to the our main dev list. If you are interested in
discussing the QA test automation stuff, I'd recommend that you sign
up for our QA mailing list here:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#qa-mailing-list

Regards,

-Rob

thanks

Another welcome, Maseeh!

In addition to Rob's comments, based on your database interest
experience, you may be interested in diving right in to helping sovle
some issues we've had with the jdbc connector in Base, the database part
of OpenOffice. Complete bugs listing based on "jdbc" search:

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=&content=jdbc

I use eclipse also, but primarily work on the websites so I don't know
how well it works for code modifications. Some of the other developers
may be able to offer more information on that. I do remember having to
tweak my jvm a bit to get around initial load issues due to size. But,
as the saying goes, your mileage may vary.

Please do register with this mailing list to continue with your
volunteering efforts. We could certainly benefit by your education and
experience!

MzK

“How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
-- Anais Nin

Question ad FOSDEM 2013

2012-11-11 Thread Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)

So there is an AOO room on Saturday at FOSDEM 2013, .

Is there any need for talks/presentations? If there is a need, what contents 
are needed and to whom
should one send a proposal by when?

---rony

Re: Any Updates for our Events Calendar ???




On 11/10/2012 03:06 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:

Hi,

On 2012-11-10, at 17:56 , Kay Schenk  wrote:


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:



On 11/05/2012 07:01 AM, Peter Junge wrote:


On 11/5/2012 10:50 PM, Rob Weir wrote:


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Peter Junge 

wrote:


On 11/5/2012 10:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:



I noticed that we have a wiki page for future events that we might
want to participate in.   I've updated the page to reflect the three
conferences that I hear currently being discussed:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Events+Calendar





Should we consider linking this page directly from the project website

as a

new menu item under Community? It would make it easier to find.

It's good having it as a wiki page so it's easier to update.



I added a new Event page, linked to from the navigator:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/events.html

That then links to the wiki for information on future events.  Also
added a section on past events where we can add links to blog posts,
photos, etc.

The initial section is a good place to link to things that might be
common across events, like brochures, CD images, canned presentations,
templates, etc.

-Rob



Ok, great. Probably nicer…


I've updated by adding some events. Events in Asia are lacking; they are almost 
not there, and ought to be. I'd like to fill in those occurring in the various 
areas where ODF/AOO have or had some prominence, such as Malaysia, Cambodia, 
Vietnam, but also Korea and Japan: both places are more wishes wanting 
fulfillment, I admit, as is China.

Louis

PS then there is also LCA 2013….













I have added the Apache Asia Roadshow. My idea was to insert it at
the right
place to obtain a chronological order, so I've put it behind the
ApacheCon
EU bit then realized that the current ordering was alphabetic. Which
ordering do we prefer? Personally, I find the chronological approach
more
logical.



I entered it in "Rob's Memory Order" ;-)



Interesting: is there a spec available? ;-)



But chronological makes more sense.  Thanks!



Done.

Peter



-Rob






It would be great if you could help with the dates and locations of
other events that we should try to have a presence at.  I think we've
seen too many occasions when someone mentions a conference on the

list

the day before the CfP ends.  Let's try to get ahead of this and have
a view that goes out 6 or 9 months or more.  Remember the 7 P's:
Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

Regards,

-Rob


Hi, I just updated OSCON as "high" a while ago. It look like the last 
presence was by Louis in 2010 --


http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/detail/13821

so maybe he can comment. I haven't attended OSCON since 2006 due to 
scheduling conflicts, but that may change now that I have more flexibility.


There's a wide variety of attenders and I do think this is an important 
event in North America. The tracks change a bit form yer to year so we 
should keep our eyes open for an opportunity to showcase Apache 
OpenOffice -- preferably from the product side.








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she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
-- Anais Nin






--

MzK

“How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
she wants, rather than to create it herself?”

-- Anais Nin




--

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 she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
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Re: Gmane

2012-11-11 Thread Larry Gusaas

Emails to are served as a newsgroup at

The newsgroup name should be changed to something like

I don't know if this is possible. I did not see anything on http://gmane.org/ indicating that
it could be done.

Gmane's FAQs are at http://gmane.org/faq.php
Contact info at http://gmane.org/contact.php

A simple solution would be to request a new newsgroup, ,
to carry the mailing list . I could easily put in that request if
you would like me to.

The old newsgroup would still exist and serve as an archive for

On 2012-11-10 7:33 AM Rob Weir wrote:

Hi Larry,

Do you know exactly what needs to be done here? There is probably not
a lot of expertise in Gmane here, so anything you can do to come up
with a set of steps that a list moderator can follow would be much
appreciated.

-Rob

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

Oops! resending. I used the address that is not subscribe earlier.

This mailing list is not being carried on Gmane. None of the posts made to
dev@openoffice.apache.org are appearing on
news://news.gmane.com/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel and there is no
new list for the new mailing list address.

The notice of the change of the mailing list address did not appear on the
Gmane feed.

This is a huge inconvenience for people who follow the AOO lists through
Gmane. I had to subscribe to the list, (I much prefer Gmane and will seldom
subscribe to a mailing list)., and have missed many posts.

Please fix as soon as possible.

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
theirs." - Edgard Varese

Re: ApacheCon Day 3 report


imacat wrote:

On 01.11.11 07:01pm, Andrea Pescetti said:

The public preview (the one you should check) is at
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_track_at_apachecon1

+1.  This reads great!  Thanks!


Published at
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_track_at_apachecon1
or, equivalent shorter URL:
http://s.apache.org/openoffice-aceu2012-day-3

This is the link you can use for social media and other communication.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: ApacheCon Day 3 report




On 11/11/2012 06:23 AM, imacat wrote:

On 01.11.11 07:01pm, Andrea Pescetti said:

imacat wrote:

On 01.11.11 06:16am, Andrea Pescetti said:

The draft report for Day 3 is at
https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_track_at_apachecon1


  OK.  It asks for a username and password. ^^;


Sorry, Roller and me are still having a complex relationship.

The above URL is the private preview.

The public preview (the one you should check) is at
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_track_at_apachecon1


+1.  This reads great!  Thanks!


(and, when it's published, the final URL will be different from both of
them)



 yes, +1, very nice...and thanks for all of the reports!

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 she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
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Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?


[top posting]

I think the setup we ahve right now -- linking to the wiki that then 
links to developer areas (possibly) is fine.


We might think about moving the developer editions to SourceForge but 
maybe an additional step we don't need.


ok for this, see below...

On 11/11/2012 04:22 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

On 09/11/2012 jan iversen wrote:

Well I might have misunderstood it, but when I do a "build --all", I
end up
with packages that I can install (at least for ubuntu), and they do not
seem so different from an official release package ?


We have two different kinds of builds, the "OpenOffice" builds and the
"OOo-Dev" builds. See the note in red at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
(they are also called "with/without system integration" respectively).


OK, I see this note and I confess I don't pay much attention to it, and 
typically install in parallel for these. But, I keep the same "user 
profile" if you will, and this doesn't seem to cause problems for me.


Right now this note says:

"This week's builds are built without system integration."

Is the the "normal"?

If it is, maybe we could just omit the explanations altogether so as not 
to confuse anyone.






And as I understand it, snapshot build (which is also a kind of developer
version) is made like an installation.


The package layout does not change, but the idea is that an OOo-Dev
build (and 350m1, the one at the URL above, is an OOo-Dev build) can be
installed alongside an existing version of OpenOffice, so you can
install it on your machine and keep running your stable OpenOffice
together with it. This makes it ideal for testing. In the case of an
OpenOffice build, you can still do the same, but it's a bit trickier,
like needing to use "setup /a" on Windows (again, see the page and
linked resources for all details).

Regards,
   Andrea.


--

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 she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
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Re: Some photos from ApacheCon

2012-11-11 Thread imacat

On 01.11.09 08:36pm, Andre Fischer said:
> Hi,
> 
> if you like photos that are slightly out of focus and underexposed then
> please go to
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/awf-aoo/sets/

These are great!  Apparently I missed some great moments.  And great
comments! ^_*'

> 
> I have uploaded some impressions of the ApacheCon.
> 
> Best regards,
> Andre


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Re: [Branding] Residual branding error

2012-11-11 Thread Rory O'Farrell

On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:09:59 +0100
Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 10/11/2012 Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> > http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=57340 the
> > poster points out that the titlebar of the AOO splash screen [and the
> > AOO applications] use OpenOffice.org.
> 
> This is of course something to fix in later versions, but it is by 
> design. To avoid breaking compatibility too much with existing 3.x 
> installations, in the 3.x series we still use "OpenOffice.org" as 
> $PRODUCTNAME (the variable that influences hundreds of strings naming 
> the product, ranging from menu items to help strings).
> 
> This will be fixed by updating $PRODUCTNAME when we go for version 4.
> 
Thanks for the update, Andrea.  Personally I don't care what the application is 
called, but the matter was brought to attention on the Forum and I mentioned it 
here so that others became aware of it.
 
-- 
Rory O'Farrell

Re: ApacheCon Day 3 report

2012-11-11 Thread imacat

On 01.11.11 07:01pm, Andrea Pescetti said:
> imacat wrote:
>> On 01.11.11 06:16am, Andrea Pescetti said:
>>> The draft report for Day 3 is at
>>> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_track_at_apachecon1
>>>
>>  OK.  It asks for a username and password. ^^;
> 
> Sorry, Roller and me are still having a complex relationship.
> 
> The above URL is the private preview.
> 
> The public preview (the one you should check) is at
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_track_at_apachecon1

+1.  This reads great!  Thanks!

> (and, when it's published, the final URL will be different from both of
> them)

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Re: ApacheCon EU Survey


On 09/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:

On a scale of 1-5, where 1 is lowest and 5 is highest, how effective
was attending ApacheCon EU to you for each of the following:


Here come my answers, and indeed I think this is a useful initiative. 
I'll give a bit of context in addition to the 1-5 assessment.



A. Meeting other AOO project members


5 (most of us were meeting in person for the first time, or just recall 
that we had seen each other at some ancient OOoCon).



B. Gaining new information about AOO from the formal presentations.


4 (the conference exposed work, for example by Multiracio or CS2C, that 
is ongoing but has not been widely publicized so far).



C. Gaining new information about AOO from informal discussions with
project members.


4 (in the end, informal discussions are the real reason to attend a 
conference in person; for sessions, we will have slides + audio/video of 
all sessions online reasonably soon)



D. Gaining new AOO users


2 (this was a high-level, paid conference where attendees already knew 
about OpenOffice; FOSDEM will not be much different; note, however, that 
the materials we posted were seen by more people than those attending 
the sessions, so there could be some indirect effect not captured here)



E. Recruiting new potential project members


3 (but especially people from other Apache projects; FOSDEM here would 
probably be different).



F. Educating others about AOO


4 (this is a surprise; but indeed even some speakers did not have a 
clear understanding of the project, and being all in a team was a 
tremendously effective way to bring them up-to-date).



G. Learning more about other Apache projects


3 (this is personal, others will have different evaluations; in my case 
the original plans were to have more interactions with other projects 
and attend some "community" talks -which I'll anyway make up for by 
watching the recordings- but this was also the first meeting for the 
OpenOffice community and we had many internal things to discuss; 
fortunately, our developers had the time for some technical talks with 
other projects, which is very good; in my case, interaction with other 
Apache people was great but informal - read: nights out, beers...).



H. Moving AOO project plans and/or technical decisions forward.


5 (even though no decisions were taken, there were a number of useful 
suggestions, that will become discussion topics for this list in the 
coming weeks)


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: IPR PERMISSION

2012-11-11 Thread Peter Junge


Dear Sumanyu Satpathy,

IPR is always a bit difficult, please note that I'm not a lawyer and I 
cannot give any guarantee that what I'm saying below is correct.


I cannot grant the permissions that you are asking for but that doesn't 
even seem necessary. All the items that you are referring to (except 
item 7, see below) already come with a license. As far as I can see 
there are five different ones:

1) Public Documentation License (www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.rtf)
2) Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported 
(http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/)
3) Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported 
(http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)

4) GNU General Public License (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html)
5) Apache License, Version 2.0 (http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0)

As far as I can see it, all these licenses will allow you to use the 
images that you are referring to in the way you are asking them to use. 
You just have to make sure that you are following the license terms. The 
most important points that needs to be considered with some of these 
licenses are 1) that you need to attribute the materials that you are 
reusing by author, licensor or source without suggesting that the IPR 
owner is endorsing your work and 2) you need to share the materials 
yourself under the same license. (As said above, these are only two 
important aspects and they may not apply to all the materials that you 
are referring.)


Please note, the source (http://www.openofficetips.com/) of item 7 is 
not affiliated with Apache OpenOffice. You will certainly find a similar 
image on the OpenOffice website if you look for it.


In general I can say that I'm really appreciating efforts like yours and 
I guess a large majority of the AOO community shares my opinion.


Kindest regards,
Peter

On 11/6/2012 11:32 AM, Peter Junge wrote:

On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:

Please find the attachment.


The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
OpenOffice wiki.

The attachment is now available at:
http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf

NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
with AOO.

Peter

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we want download links for Dev Builds on a usual webpage?


On 09/11/2012 jan iversen wrote:

Well I might have misunderstood it, but when I do a "build --all", I end up
with packages that I can install (at least for ubuntu), and they do not
seem so different from an official release package ?


We have two different kinds of builds, the "OpenOffice" builds and the 
"OOo-Dev" builds. See the note in red at 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds 
(they are also called "with/without system integration" respectively).



And as I understand it, snapshot build (which is also a kind of developer
version) is made like an installation.


The package layout does not change, but the idea is that an OOo-Dev 
build (and 350m1, the one at the URL above, is an OOo-Dev build) can be 
installed alongside an existing version of OpenOffice, so you can 
install it on your machine and keep running your stable OpenOffice 
together with it. This makes it ideal for testing. In the case of an 
OpenOffice build, you can still do the same, but it's a bit trickier, 
like needing to use "setup /a" on Windows (again, see the page and 
linked resources for all details).


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [Branding] Residual branding error


On 10/11/2012 Rory O'Farrell wrote:

http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=57340 the
poster points out that the titlebar of the AOO splash screen [and the
AOO applications] use OpenOffice.org.


This is of course something to fix in later versions, but it is by 
design. To avoid breaking compatibility too much with existing 3.x 
installations, in the 3.x series we still use "OpenOffice.org" as 
$PRODUCTNAME (the variable that influences hundreds of strings naming 
the product, ranging from menu items to help strings).


This will be fixed by updating $PRODUCTNAME when we go for version 4.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: IPR PERMISSION

2012-11-11 Thread Peter Junge


On 11/8/2012 8:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:



On 11/05/2012 07:32 PM, Peter Junge wrote:


On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:


Please find the attachment.



The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
OpenOffice wiki.

The attachment is now available at:
http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf

NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
with AOO.

Peter





I think the majority of these items come from the OpenOffice 3.3 User
Guide(s) which is dual licensed with GNU Public License, ver 3 , or Creative
Commons Attribution License, ver 3. In either case, I think using the
graphic elements are fine and in compliance with these licenses. Several
contributing authors are on this list, however, and they may wish to comment
as well.


All we can really do is point to the license if we can determine what it is.


Exactly.

And, from my point of view at least half of the referred items would not 
cause any IPR issue (at least it's like that in Germany) because they're 
simple screen shots which everyone can reproduce within seconds so they 
lack of a threshold of originality.


Peter









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