Re: [e-users] new windows/notifications displaying on top of xscreensaver
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 08:38:53 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:42:23PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:34:34 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > > > > > On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:29:21PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 16:25:23 -0700 Marc MERLIN > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > So, I'm still using xscreensaver (5.36-1) > > > > > On my work system, when new windows or notifications get displayed > > > > > (typically pidgin window, or chrome notification popup), they get > > > > > displayed on top of xscreensaver. > > > > > > > > can you click on them as you normally would be able to? > > > > > > I can't because xscreensaver stops the mouse cursor from moving away > > > from the unlock box. > > > So no one can interact with them, but they can see my private IM and > > > notification messages. > > > > then i'm not sure. e is compositing so the screensaver window will be > > composited but if these notifications are actual windows placed on to the > > this window by the apps (i know chromium does its own popups itself with > > its own windows), thus composited on top, or if they are really below and e > > is just mistakenly setting the evas objects on top, i don't know unless you > > can click on them. that would tell me what is going on. > > > > i haven't used xscreensaver for well over a decade and tbh it's untested > > with e as there are gotchas with screensaver windows and they conflict with > > e's own lock screen handling etc. so tbh my advice is "don't use it" as it > > conflicts. i could explain the tricky bits of screensaver windows but it's > > x11 lower level fun stuff and you'll know why there is a conflict when you > > know that compositors use the screensaver overlay window as well as > > xscreensaver (necessary to force compositor content on top, but this begins > > to break apart when you have external old-school screensavers like > > xscreensaver)). > > Thanks for your reply. > > I also saw this week, once, that the enlightenment shelf ended up displaying > on top of the screensaver (that usually doesn't happen). No idea what > happened for it to move to the foreground while I was away. > > So basically at this point you'd say that xscreensaver is definitely broken? no - just incompatible with enlightenment. we have no code to support external screensaver windows - no code to specially stack or handle them. e doesn't support them. it doesn't even have its own screensavers - it's just blanking to black with a theme defined possible transition to black (e.g. fade). i never really saw the point of fancy screen savers... save power - turn the screen off. you aren't there to look at it (that's the point of the timeout) so there is no joy created there for the user... thus i never even considered writing any support for screensavers and e has it's own locking mechanism anyway so doesn't need xscreenssver to do that. :) > Bummer if so, I have some great demos on it, but I can switch if I have to. > > Thanks, > Marc > -- > "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. > Microsoft is to operating systems > what McDonalds is to gourmet > cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] new windows/notifications displaying on top of xscreensaver
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 08:38:53 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:42:23PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:34:34 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > > > > > On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:29:21PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 16:25:23 -0700 Marc MERLIN > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > So, I'm still using xscreensaver (5.36-1) > > > > > On my work system, when new windows or notifications get displayed > > > > > (typically pidgin window, or chrome notification popup), they get > > > > > displayed on top of xscreensaver. > > > > > > > > can you click on them as you normally would be able to? > > > > > > I can't because xscreensaver stops the mouse cursor from moving away > > > from the unlock box. > > > So no one can interact with them, but they can see my private IM and > > > notification messages. > > > > then i'm not sure. e is compositing so the screensaver window will be > > composited but if these notifications are actual windows placed on to the > > this window by the apps (i know chromium does its own popups itself with > > its own windows), thus composited on top, or if they are really below and e > > is just mistakenly setting the evas objects on top, i don't know unless you > > can click on them. that would tell me what is going on. > > > > i haven't used xscreensaver for well over a decade and tbh it's untested > > with e as there are gotchas with screensaver windows and they conflict with > > e's own lock screen handling etc. so tbh my advice is "don't use it" as it > > conflicts. i could explain the tricky bits of screensaver windows but it's > > x11 lower level fun stuff and you'll know why there is a conflict when you > > know that compositors use the screensaver overlay window as well as > > xscreensaver (necessary to force compositor content on top, but this begins > > to break apart when you have external old-school screensavers like > > xscreensaver)). > > Thanks for your reply. > > I also saw this week, once, that the enlightenment shelf ended up displaying > on top of the screensaver (that usually doesn't happen). No idea what > happened for it to move to the foreground while I was away. > > So basically at this point you'd say that xscreensaver is definitely broken? no - just incompaytible with enlightenment. we have no code to support external screensaver windows - no code to specially stack o > Bummer if so, I have some great demos on it, but I can switch if I have to. > > Thanks, > Marc > -- > "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. > Microsoft is to operating systems > what McDonalds is to gourmet > cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] new windows/notifications displaying on top of xscreensaver
On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:42:23PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:34:34 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > > > On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:29:21PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 16:25:23 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > > > > > > > So, I'm still using xscreensaver (5.36-1) > > > > On my work system, when new windows or notifications get displayed > > > > (typically pidgin window, or chrome notification popup), they get > > > > displayed on top of xscreensaver. > > > > > > can you click on them as you normally would be able to? > > > > I can't because xscreensaver stops the mouse cursor from moving away > > from the unlock box. > > So no one can interact with them, but they can see my private IM and > > notification messages. > > then i'm not sure. e is compositing so the screensaver window will be > composited but if these notifications are actual windows placed on to the this > window by the apps (i know chromium does its own popups itself with its own > windows), thus composited on top, or if they are really below and e is just > mistakenly setting the evas objects on top, i don't know unless you can click > on them. that would tell me what is going on. > > i haven't used xscreensaver for well over a decade and tbh it's untested with > e > as there are gotchas with screensaver windows and they conflict with e's own > lock screen handling etc. so tbh my advice is "don't use it" as it conflicts. > i > could explain the tricky bits of screensaver windows but it's x11 lower level > fun stuff and you'll know why there is a conflict when you know that > compositors use the screensaver overlay window as well as xscreensaver > (necessary to force compositor content on top, but this begins to break apart > when you have external old-school screensavers like xscreensaver)). Thanks for your reply. I also saw this week, once, that the enlightenment shelf ended up displaying on top of the screensaver (that usually doesn't happen). No idea what happened for it to move to the foreground while I was away. So basically at this point you'd say that xscreensaver is definitely broken? Bummer if so, I have some great demos on it, but I can switch if I have to. Thanks, Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] new windows/notifications displaying on top of xscreensaver
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:34:34 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:29:21PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 16:25:23 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > > > > > So, I'm still using xscreensaver (5.36-1) > > > On my work system, when new windows or notifications get displayed > > > (typically pidgin window, or chrome notification popup), they get > > > displayed on top of xscreensaver. > > > > can you click on them as you normally would be able to? > > I can't because xscreensaver stops the mouse cursor from moving away > from the unlock box. > So no one can interact with them, but they can see my private IM and > notification messages. then i'm not sure. e is compositing so the screensaver window will be composited but if these notifications are actual windows placed on to the this window by the apps (i know chromium does its own popups itself with its own windows), thus composited on top, or if they are really below and e is just mistakenly setting the evas objects on top, i don't know unless you can click on them. that would tell me what is going on. i haven't used xscreensaver for well over a decade and tbh it's untested with e as there are gotchas with screensaver windows and they conflict with e's own lock screen handling etc. so tbh my advice is "don't use it" as it conflicts. i could explain the tricky bits of screensaver windows but it's x11 lower level fun stuff and you'll know why there is a conflict when you know that compositors use the screensaver overlay window as well as xscreensaver (necessary to force compositor content on top, but this begins to break apart when you have external old-school screensavers like xscreensaver)). > Marc > -- > "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. > Microsoft is to operating systems > what McDonalds is to gourmet > cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | PGP > 7F55D5F27AAF9D08 > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] new windows/notifications displaying on top of xscreensaver
On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:29:21PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 16:25:23 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > > > So, I'm still using xscreensaver (5.36-1) > > On my work system, when new windows or notifications get displayed > > (typically pidgin window, or chrome notification popup), they get displayed > > on top of xscreensaver. > > can you click on them as you normally would be able to? I can't because xscreensaver stops the mouse cursor from moving away from the unlock box. So no one can interact with them, but they can see my private IM and notification messages. Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | PGP 7F55D5F27AAF9D08 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] new windows/notifications displaying on top of xscreensaver
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 16:25:23 -0700 Marc MERLIN said: > So, I'm still using xscreensaver (5.36-1) > On my work system, when new windows or notifications get displayed > (typically pidgin window, or chrome notification popup), they get displayed > on top of xscreensaver. can you click on them as you normally would be able to? > Is that xscreensaver's fault, or the window manager's fault? > > Thanks, > Marc > -- > "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. > Microsoft is to operating systems > what McDonalds is to gourmet > cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
