EV digest 4828

2005-10-18 Thread Electric Vehicle Discussion List

EV Digest 4828

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Liquid cooling and Zillas
by Ryan Bohm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  2) Re: OT - Variable Freq Drive needed
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  3) Re: Liquid cooling package now available
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  4) Twist-lock connectors 
by James Massey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  5) RE: OT - Variable Freq Drive needed
by James Massey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  6) Re: (Another) Zilla question
by Otmar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  7) Battery Beach Burnout
by Shawn Waggoner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  8) RE: OT - Variable Freq Drive needed
by Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  9) RE: Exide Floodeds vs AGM
by Pestka, Dennis J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 10) Conversion Market Value Proof Needed
by Edward Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 11) RE: 1/8-Inch End Plates
by Bill Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 12) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Michaela Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 13) Re: Battery Beach Burnout
by Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 14) Re: Twist-lock connectors 
by Neon John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 15) Re: OT - Variable Freq Drive needed
by Neon John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 16) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Evan Tuer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 17) Re: OT - Variable Freq Drive needed
by David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 18) Re: Liquid cooling for Zilla
by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 19) RE: OT - Variable Freq Drive needed
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 20) Re: Pump for Zilla cooling
by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 21) Re: (Another) Zilla question
by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 22) Re: OT - Variable Freq Drive needed
by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 23) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 24) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by John G. Lussmyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 25) Re: Conversion Market Value Proof Needed
by Neon John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 26) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Neon John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 27) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by John G. Lussmyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 28) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Danny Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 29) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by John G. Lussmyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi again EVeryone,

A few more comments on the liquid cooling topic:

Is it true that the Zilla's have over temp detection? If they do, perhaps 
you could hook that up to an idiot light. This would seem to be the ideal 
place to monitor the effectiveness of your cooling right?


Yes, the Zilla has a battery indicator light and a check engine light.  
The check engine light will begin blinking as the Zilla cuts back.  As 
per the Zilla manual,  The controller will maintain full output motor 
current up to 55 degrees C heatsink temperature. Above that, current 
drops back to 75% at 80 degrees C and then rapidly declines to nothing 
at 100 degrees C.


Are the fittings your standard nylon 1/4 MNPT -- 3/8 barbed 
fittings?  Or are they something special to make them intentionally 
fragile? 


Otmar would be the authority on this, but as far as I can tell, they are 
just standard 3/8 barbed fittings.  They really aren't *that* fragile.  
I did some good yanking on them without breakage (although I would 
suggest treating them gently to avoid having to repair them).


The Bosch pump draws under an amp.  Beautiful. 

I don't remember who mentioned it, but someone had concerns about the 
reservoir I'm using (something about bubbles).  Yes, I have been getting 
bubbles in the system.  I spent the evening figuring out what was 
causing it.  I think I've nailed it down, and it shouldn't be an issue 
if the reservoir is installed in a certain configuration.  At first, I 
was skeptical of the horizontal mounting reservoir.  But I think others 
will find it convenient to install (of course there will be exceptions, 
in which case it can be installed vertically).


Once again, thanks to all for the great comments.

-Ryan
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I just did this exact modification to my bandsaw. Steve Ciciora 
gave me the VFD. I bought all the remaining odds and ends for about $60. 
Works fantastically.


Steve bought the inverter on Ebay. Here is one listed for $0.99 
($13 SH)

http://cgi.ebay.com/MITSUBISHI-INVERTER-MOTOR-CONTROL-FR-AO24-0-75K-TF_W0QQitemZ7553754844QQcategoryZ78192QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This unit will run great on 240 volts single phase.

You need to borrow a parameter unit to program the above VFD. I 
paid $35 for one, but you could shop around and get one much cheaper.


You need about 

EV digest 4829

2005-10-18 Thread Electric Vehicle Discussion List

EV Digest 4829

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Introduction
by Lee Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  2) Re: Fet Switch (for heater etc) ; Also, Relay Question
by Lee Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  3) The big one.
by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  4) RE: Pump for Zilla cooling
by Jamie Marshall \(GAMES\) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  5) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Neon John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  6) Why Le Car makes a great EV
by Lawrence Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  7) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Neon John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  8) VW Van conversion.
by Lawrence Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  9) RE: Introduction
by Roger Stockton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 10) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Lawrence Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 11) Re: Conversion Market Value Proof Needed
by Christopher Zach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 12) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Lawrence Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 13) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Michaela Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 14) Re: Conversion Market Value Proof Needed
by Ricky Suiter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 15) Re: Twist-lock connectors 
by James Massey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 16) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by John G. Lussmyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 17) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 18) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Rich Rudman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 19) Re: Conversion Market Value Proof Needed
by Steve Gaarder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 20) RE: Conversion Market Value Proof Needed
by Roger Stockton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 21) Re: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Victor Tikhonov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 22) Re: Liquid cooling package now available
by acid_lead [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 23) Re: The big one.
by acid_lead [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 24) Re: The big one.
by Andre' Blanchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 25) Re: Fet Switch (for heater etc) ; Also, Relay Question  [maybe OT]
by Arthur W. Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 26) Re: The big one.
by Arthur W. Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 27) More DC Motor Questions - Thanks for your patience
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 28) Re: need better layout under hood
by Ryan Stotts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 29) RE: Backup generator or true hybrid
by Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 30) Re: OT - Variable Freq Drive needed
by Ryan Stotts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Calvin King wrote:
 A few weeks back I purchased a '81 Jet Electrica... a 96V system
 using 16 -  6 volt Trojans (5 T605's and 11 T105's)... Curtis
 controller 1221-7401... KW charger model BC20.

Welcome to the EV list! This is probably the best place to find help in
fixing and maintaining your EV.

Your EV is a good, basic, straightforward vehicle that should be simple
to repair. For a first EV, it is probably a lot better than the recent
auto company EVs, which are nearly impossible to fix.

 It turned out that I had a battery post melt. Bypassed the battery
 and drove home. I have since replaced the battery with a used one
 and double checked all the battery connections.

That's a common problem, and a good solution. A simple way to find bad
connections before they melt is to feel them after a drive. Any that get
hot are failing!

Lead is soft and distorts easily -- connections tend to loosen over
time, especially if they get hot. Don't overtighten; this just crushes
the lead -- torque them as the battery manufacturer recommends. Keep
them clean; corrosion creates bad connections. Other hints:

 - use automotive post connections (not the 5/16 bolt stud that
   sticks out of the post)
 - use high quality tin plated copper terminals (not cheap automotive
   emergency repair terminals)
 - coat the terminals with vaseline to keep water and acid out
 - use belleville spring washers on the bolts, which will maintain
   pressure even as the lead cold-flows

 The meters are not connected and I have yet to figure out how to
 trace the disconnect and reconnect.

It's important to have a working voltmeter and ammeter at the very
least. Without them, you are almost certain to quickly destroy your
batteries.

If you don't already have one, get a good high-quality digital
multimeter. Don't get some cheap off-brand one; accuracy and reliability
are important! Wire this meter so you can monitor battery pack voltage
while charging and driving. Your basic guidelines are:

 - Drive so you never pull the batteries under 1.75v/cell (84v for
   your 96v pack). This is easy with a fully charged pack, but as it
   runs down, you have to be more and more gentle with the throttle.
   This rule keeps you from over-discharging the pack.

 - Charge until the batteries reach 2.5v/cell (120v for your 96v pack)
   at a current of less than 5 amps. This rule keeps you from over-
   charging. As the batteries age, or when they