Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
Practical guy my ass - he got on board with anti-GMO because he thought it would give his lackeys some credibility when they were trying to co-opt the political scene with the ridiculous Natural Law Party - anti-GMO was its main platform that regular people could relate to. Marshy didn't do shit unless he thought it benefited himself in some way. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food One of Eileen Dannemann's early activisms on GMO's was getting the MUM food services to inform their suppliers that MUM was not going to buy GMO food. This was a long time ago. That meant having the campus going over to be an organic food service. She dragged Bevan and the campus administration to it and in a sequence she was able to tell Maharishi directly about it and bring him to it. He was always a practical guy about things like this. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that same time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect that John F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the implications for Ayurveda and came out with his stance. L Eileen Dannemann is considered the grandmother of many of the anti GMO coalitions also early spawned Maharishi, John Fagen and the now famous activist, Jeffery Smith on the GMO subject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products. More accurately, actually in a sequence it was Eileen Dannemann who first brought it to the attention of the movement community and Maharishi. She was the original anti GMO activist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that same time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect that John F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the implications for Ayurveda and came out with his stance. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that same time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect that John F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the implications for Ayurveda and came out with his stance. L Eileen Dannemann is considered the grandmother of many of the anti GMO coalitions also early spawned Maharishi, John Fagen and the now famous activist, Jeffery Smith on the GMO subject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
One of Eileen Dannemann's early activisms on GMO's was getting the MUM food services to inform their suppliers that MUM was not going to buy GMO food. This was a long time ago. That meant having the campus going over to be an organic food service. She dragged Bevan and the campus administration to it and in a sequence she was able to tell Maharishi directly about it and bring him to it. He was always a practical guy about things like this. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that same time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect that John F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the implications for Ayurveda and came out with his stance. L Eileen Dannemann is considered the grandmother of many of the anti GMO coalitions also early spawned Maharishi, John Fagen and the now famous activist, Jeffery Smith on the GMO subject. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that same time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect that John F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the implications for Ayurveda and came out with his stance. I met John Fagan when I was working with the Natural Law Party. We were attending a conference on GMOs at London University and did a really interesting and entertaining presentation on what he saw as the dangers. He told us TMers that he had more to say back at our secret UK HQ in a mansion in Kensington and I was quite excited at getting what I thought would be some 'hot off the press' info about GM. Turned out to be another depressing introductory lecture into vedic science with loads of bollocks about how GM alters the intention of nature and will affect consciousness blah blah, natural law blah blah, eternal karmic consequences blah blah. I'm sure that deep down in his education he learned that DNA is a cross between a virus and a bacteria and never had any intentions, it just makes copies of itself and does so very well but with the occasional mutation, the eventual accumulative upshot of which is life as we know it, all of which share common genes and unique ones. No SCI required. It did make me wonder whether the NLP stance was based on anything other than mystical whimsy and whether I should be supportive of what could be a useful science. But at the end of the day I think GM shouldn't be introduced until we can be certain it isn't going to blow up in our faces one day. That and the fact I don't like the idea of the world's food supply being in the hands of biotech companies with their patented genes and 'one use only' seeds that are dependent on their own brand pest-icide. But then we've all been eating it for years without realising anyway. Hey ho. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: One of Eileen Dannemann's early activisms on GMO's was getting the MUM food services to inform their suppliers that MUM was not going to buy GMO food. This was a long time ago. That meant having the campus going over to be an organic food service. She dragged Bevan and the campus administration to it and in a sequence she was able to tell Maharishi directly about it and bring him to it. He was always a practical guy about things like this. -Buck in the Dome Much glory to this lady !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing unnatural fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which there is no known cure. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing unnatural fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which there is no known cure. Yeah, but Maharishi was also so superstitious that he'd refuse to enter a room in which a chair was upside down. So I'd take any warnings of his with a shaker of salt. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
huh?! turq, I never heard that one! You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing unnatural fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which there is no known cure. Yeah, but Maharishi was also so superstitious that he'd refuse to enter a room in which a chair was upside down. So I'd take any warnings of his with a shaker of salt. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: huh?! turq, I never heard that one! You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! You haven't been paying attention. I think irony is for pussies. No, I actually witnessed this, at Squaw Valley in 1968. The cleaning crew had left a number of chairs upside down on tables in the large meeting room we were supposed to use, and Maharishi arrived early. He took one look inside, turned white as a ghost, and backed out of the room. He refused to enter it until all of the chairs had been set upright again. Go figure. But we *are*, after all, talking about the same guy who interpreted an icicle forming on his balcony as a divinely-created Shiva lingam. Based on the time I spent around him, I would have to classify MMY as one of the most superstitious people I've ever met. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing unnatural fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which there is no known cure. Yeah, but Maharishi was also so superstitious that he'd refuse to enter a room in which a chair was upside down. So I'd take any warnings of his with a shaker of salt. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food ÃÂ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing unnatural fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which there is no known cure. Thanks Share. That could be many fabrics today ofcourse. Maharishi only wore silk and encouraged everyone to do the same or wear pure cotton. It seems they are also now genetically modefying cotton. They are probably Montsanto, the same company that graced the world with Agent Orange. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: huh?! turq, I never heard that one! You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
Plus I've heard that the cotton crops, at least in India, are given heavy doses of pesticides, so in that case, even cotton isn't ideal. And a friend who worked in a clothing warehouse mentioned that big crates of clothing are packed with pesticides to keep the bugs out during shipment. He never wore anything new before washing it. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing unnatural fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which there is no known cure. Thanks Share. That could be many fabrics today ofcourse. Maharishi only wore silk and encouraged everyone to do the same or wear pure cotton. It seems they are also now genetically modefying cotton. They are probably Montsanto, the same company that graced the world with Agent Orange. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
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Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: huh?! turq, I never heard that one! You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ? A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite reasonable until you stop and think about it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Amazing. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could also both mean the room *had* been cleaned. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: huh?!àturq, I never heard that one!àYou aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ? A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite reasonable until you stop and think about it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: huh?! turq, I never heard that one! You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! You haven't been paying attention. I think irony is for pussies. What does it mean when someone who thinks irony is for pussies is always saying things that are inadvertently ironic, I wonder?
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Not amazing at all IMO. I personally know of the TMO's penchant for cleanliness. OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said that Maharishi wouldn't enter the room. Nabby's explanation, that the room had not been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect sense to me. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Amazing. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could also both mean the room *had* been cleaned. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: huh?! turq, I never heard that one! You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ? A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite reasonable until you stop and think about it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Not amazing at all IMO. I personally know of the TMO's penchant for cleanliness. OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said that Maharishi wouldn't enter the room. Nabby's explanation, that the room had not been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect sense to me. Even more amazing--positively mind-boggling, in fact--that it would continue to make sense to you after you read my post. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Amazing. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could also both mean the room *had* been cleaned. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: huh?!Ãâàturq, I never heard that one!ÃâàYou aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ? A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite reasonable until you stop and think about it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
Well, my mind is even more positively boggled that yours is positively boggled after reading MY post! So there! From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Not amazing at all IMO. I personally know of the TMO's penchant for cleanliness. OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said that Maharishi wouldn't enter the room. Nabby's explanation, that the room had not been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect sense to me. Even more amazing--positively mind-boggling, in fact--that it would continue to make sense to you after you read my post. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Amazing. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could also both mean the room *had* been cleaned. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: huh?! turq, I never heard that one! You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ? A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite reasonable until you stop and think about it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Well, my mind is even more positively boggled that yours is positively boggled after reading MY post! So there! That's OK, Share, don't worry about it. You can't help yourself, obviously. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Not amazing at all IMO. I personally know of the TMO's penchant for cleanliness. OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said that Maharishi wouldn't enter the room. Nabby's explanation, that the room had not been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect sense to me. Even more amazing--positively mind-boggling, in fact--that it would continue to make sense to you after you read my post. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it.àAnd it still passed me by!àIt seems reasonable to me.àWhat have I missed? Amazing. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could also both mean the room *had* been cleaned. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: huh?!ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàturq, I never heard that one!ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàYou aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ? A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite reasonable until you stop and think about it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Possibly the line in my original post that said that the chairs had been left upside down on the tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned the room the night before? Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to make excuses for a superstitious old coot being terrified to enter the room because in India upside-down chairs are considered a bad omen. Some invincibility, eh? I saw his face. The man was TERRIFIED. Even Jerry, who was standing right there, was shocked. He'd never seen Maharishi so scared by anything. I repeat my position -- possibly the most super- stitious person I've ever met on this planet. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: huh?!ÃÂ turq, I never heard that one!ÃÂ You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ? A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite reasonable until you stop and think about it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
Thanks, Judy, you are too kind for sure (-: Happy Memorial Day weekend! From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Well, my mind is even more positively boggled that yours is positively boggled after reading MY post! So there! That's OK, Share, don't worry about it. You can't help yourself, obviously. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Not amazing at all IMO. I personally know of the TMO's penchant for cleanliness. OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said that Maharishi wouldn't enter the room. Nabby's explanation, that the room had not been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect sense to me. Even more amazing--positively mind-boggling, in fact--that it would continue to make sense to you after you read my post. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Amazing. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet. Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could also both mean the room *had* been cleaned. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: huh?!ÃÆ'‚ turq, I never heard that one!ÃÆ'‚ You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?! A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ? A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite reasonable until you stop and think about it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Possibly the line in my original post that said that the chairs had been left upside down on the tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned the room the night before? Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to make excuses for a superstitious old coot being terrified to enter the room because in India upside-down chairs are considered a bad omen. How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they could clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ? You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO-anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Possibly the line in my original post that said that the chairs had been left upside down on the tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned the room the night before? Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to make excuses for a superstitious old coot being terrified to enter the room because in India upside-down chairs are considered a bad omen. How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they could clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ? You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO-anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool. And yes, an old fool who missed the ferry and spending most of your time waiting for another boat to take you across, one that never arrived. No wonder you're a bitter old man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Possibly the line in my original post that said that the chairs had been left upside down on the tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned the room the night before? Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to make excuses for a superstitious old coot being terrified to enter the room because in India upside-down chairs are considered a bad omen. How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they could clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ? You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO-anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool. He was probably a young fool also. On another note, I have a theory that MMY probably spotted a particularly voracious-looking mouse under the chair and was reacting to that. He just didn't like mice all that much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Possibly the line in my original post that said that the chairs had been left upside down on the tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned the room the night before? Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to make excuses for a superstitious old coot being terrified to enter the room because in India upside-down chairs are considered a bad omen. How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they could clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ? Exactly. And Barry did *not* say anything about as they cleaned the room the night before. He added that part just for this post, while pretending that's what he'd said originally. On the other hand, Nabby, chairs upside-down on tables doesn't really tell you much of anything about the cleanliness of the floor of the room one way or the other. That's what salyavin was getting at. You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO- anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool. We don't know whether Maharishi assumed the room hadn't been cleaned or just freaked out at the upside-down chairs either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Possibly the line in my original post that said that the chairs had been left upside down on the tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned the room the night before? Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to make excuses for a superstitious old coot being terrified to enter the room because in India upside-down chairs are considered a bad omen. How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they could clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ? Exactly. And Barry did *not* say anything about as they cleaned the room the night before. He added that part just for this post, while pretending that's what he'd said originally. On the other hand, Nabby, chairs upside-down on tables doesn't really tell you much of anything about the cleanliness of the floor of the room one way or the other. That's what salyavin was getting at. You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO- anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool. We don't know whether Maharishi assumed the room hadn't been cleaned or just freaked out at the upside-down chairs either. Do you seriously consider the possebility that Maharishi would freak out because of some upside-down chairs ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me. What have I missed? Possibly the line in my original post that said that the chairs had been left upside down on the tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned the room the night before? Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to make excuses for a superstitious old coot being terrified to enter the room because in India upside-down chairs are considered a bad omen. How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they could clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ? Exactly. And Barry did *not* say anything about as they cleaned the room the night before. He added that part just for this post, while pretending that's what he'd said originally. On the other hand, Nabby, chairs upside-down on tables doesn't really tell you much of anything about the cleanliness of the floor of the room one way or the other. That's what salyavin was getting at. You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO- anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool. We don't know whether Maharishi assumed the room hadn't been cleaned or just freaked out at the upside-down chairs either. Do you seriously consider the possebility that Maharishi would freak out because of some upside-down chairs ? This is simply another story the Turq has invented because it fits his agenda, knowing well that this story can never be verified. My guess is that this happenned in the head of the Turq, and only there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
It's true, you proly cannot trust our Ag and bio-tech research coming out from USA universities and US research institutes cause it is so paid for by Monsanto. Science and technology is quickly shifting to other places anyway. The sequester is only accelerating that. -Buck outstanding in his field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.foodrevolution.org/blog/former-pro-gmo-scientist/ Former Pro-GMO Scientist Speaks Out On The Real Dangers of Genetically Engineered Food Published May 11, 2013 | By Ocean Robbins By Thierry Vrain I retired 10 years ago after a long career as a research scientist for Agriculture Canada. When I was on the payroll, I was the designated scientist of my institute to address public groups and reassure them that genetically engineered crops and foods were safe. There is, however, a growing body of scientific research - done mostly in Europe, Russia, and other countries - showing that diets containing engineered corn or soya cause serious health problems in laboratory mice and rats. I don't know if I was passionate about it but I was knowledgeable. I defended the side of technological advance, of science and progress. In the last 10 years I have changed my position. I started paying attention to the flow of published studies coming from Europe, some from prestigious labs and published in prestigious scientific journals, that questioned the impact and safety of engineered food. I refute the claims of the biotechnology companies that their engineered crops yield more, that they require less pesticide applications, that they have no impact on the environment and of course that they are safe to eat. There are a number of scientific studies that have been done for Monsanto by universities in the U.S., Canada, and abroad. Most of these studies are concerned with the field performance of the engineered crops, and of course they find GMOs safe for the environment and therefore safe to eat. Individuals should be encouraged to make their decisions on food safety based on scientific evidence and personal choice, not on emotion or the personal opinions of others. We should all take these studies seriously and demand that government agencies replicate them rather than rely on studies paid for by the biotech companies. The Bt corn and soya plants that are now everywhere in our environment are registered as insecticides. But are these insecticidal plants regulated and have their proteins been tested for safety? Not by the federal departments in charge of food safety, not in Canada and not in the U.S. There are no long-term feeding studies performed in these countries to demonstrate the claims that engineered corn and soya are safe. All we have are scientific studies out of Europe and Russia, showing that rats fed engineered food die prematurely. These studies show that proteins produced by engineered plants are different than what they should be. Inserting a gene in a genome using this technology can and does result in damaged proteins. The scientific literature is full of studies showing that engineered corn and soya contain toxic or allergenic proteins. Genetic engineering is 40 years old. It is based on the naive understanding of the genome based on the One Gene - one protein hypothesis of 70 years ago, that each gene codes for a single protein. The Human Genome project completed in 2002 showed that this hypothesis is wrong. The whole paradigm of the genetic engineering technology is based on a misunderstanding. Every scientist now learns that any gene can give more than one protein and that inserting a gene anywhere in a plant eventually creates rogue proteins. Some of these proteins are obviously allergenic or toxic. I have drafted a reply to Paul Horgen's letter to the Comox Valley Environmental Council. It is my wish that it goes viral as to educate as many people as possible rapidly. Any and all social media is fine by me. This can also be used as a briefing note for the councilors of AVICC or anywhere else. Thank you for your help. [Click here for original source with replies from Dr. Paul Horgen] I am turning you towards a recent compilation (June 2012) of over 500 government reports and scientific articles published in peer reviewed Journals, some of them with the highest recognition in the world. Like The Lancet in the medical field, or Advances in Food and Nutrition Research, or Biotechnology, or Scandinavian Journal of Immunology, European Journal of Histochemistry, Journal of Proteome Research, etc â?¦ This compilation was made by a genetic engineer in London, and an investigative journalist who summarized the gist of the publications for the lay public. GMO Myths and Truths - an evidence based examination of the claims made for the safety and efficacy of genetically modified crops. A report of 120 pages, it can be downloaded for
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
Read what is coming out. You'd be nuts to be buying and consuming food that has GMO ingredients in it. It's like no wonder. -B --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It's true, you proly cannot trust our Ag and bio-tech research coming out from USA universities and US research institutes cause it is so paid for by Monsanto. Science and technology is quickly shifting to other places anyway. The sequester is only accelerating that. -Buck outstanding in his field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.foodrevolution.org/blog/former-pro-gmo-scientist/ Former Pro-GMO Scientist Speaks Out On The Real Dangers of Genetically Engineered Food Published May 11, 2013 | By Ocean Robbins By Thierry Vrain I retired 10 years ago after a long career as a research scientist for Agriculture Canada. When I was on the payroll, I was the designated scientist of my institute to address public groups and reassure them that genetically engineered crops and foods were safe. There is, however, a growing body of scientific research - done mostly in Europe, Russia, and other countries - showing that diets containing engineered corn or soya cause serious health problems in laboratory mice and rats. I don't know if I was passionate about it but I was knowledgeable. I defended the side of technological advance, of science and progress. In the last 10 years I have changed my position. I started paying attention to the flow of published studies coming from Europe, some from prestigious labs and published in prestigious scientific journals, that questioned the impact and safety of engineered food. I refute the claims of the biotechnology companies that their engineered crops yield more, that they require less pesticide applications, that they have no impact on the environment and of course that they are safe to eat. There are a number of scientific studies that have been done for Monsanto by universities in the U.S., Canada, and abroad. Most of these studies are concerned with the field performance of the engineered crops, and of course they find GMOs safe for the environment and therefore safe to eat. Individuals should be encouraged to make their decisions on food safety based on scientific evidence and personal choice, not on emotion or the personal opinions of others. We should all take these studies seriously and demand that government agencies replicate them rather than rely on studies paid for by the biotech companies. The Bt corn and soya plants that are now everywhere in our environment are registered as insecticides. But are these insecticidal plants regulated and have their proteins been tested for safety? Not by the federal departments in charge of food safety, not in Canada and not in the U.S. There are no long-term feeding studies performed in these countries to demonstrate the claims that engineered corn and soya are safe. All we have are scientific studies out of Europe and Russia, showing that rats fed engineered food die prematurely. These studies show that proteins produced by engineered plants are different than what they should be. Inserting a gene in a genome using this technology can and does result in damaged proteins. The scientific literature is full of studies showing that engineered corn and soya contain toxic or allergenic proteins. Genetic engineering is 40 years old. It is based on the naive understanding of the genome based on the One Gene - one protein hypothesis of 70 years ago, that each gene codes for a single protein. The Human Genome project completed in 2002 showed that this hypothesis is wrong. The whole paradigm of the genetic engineering technology is based on a misunderstanding. Every scientist now learns that any gene can give more than one protein and that inserting a gene anywhere in a plant eventually creates rogue proteins. Some of these proteins are obviously allergenic or toxic. I have drafted a reply to Paul Horgen's letter to the Comox Valley Environmental Council. It is my wish that it goes viral as to educate as many people as possible rapidly. Any and all social media is fine by me. This can also be used as a briefing note for the councilors of AVICC or anywhere else. Thank you for your help. [Click here for original source with replies from Dr. Paul Horgen] I am turning you towards a recent compilation (June 2012) of over 500 government reports and scientific articles published in peer reviewed Journals, some of them with the highest recognition in the world. Like The Lancet in the medical field, or Advances in Food and Nutrition Research, or Biotechnology, or Scandinavian Journal of Immunology, European Journal of Histochemistry, Journal of Proteome Research, etc â?¦ This compilation was made by a genetic engineer in London, and an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
Read what is coming out. You'd be nuts to be buying and consuming food that has GMO ingredients in it. It's like no wonder. -B Yep, at least learn to read food labels and figure out what you are buying and eating. -B --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It's true, you proly cannot trust our Ag and bio-tech research coming out from USA universities and US research institutes cause it is so paid for by Monsanto. Science and technology is quickly shifting to other places anyway. The sequester is only accelerating that. -Buck outstanding in his field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.foodrevolution.org/blog/former-pro-gmo-scientist/ Former Pro-GMO Scientist Speaks Out On The Real Dangers of Genetically Engineered Food Published May 11, 2013 | By Ocean Robbins By Thierry Vrain I retired 10 years ago after a long career as a research scientist for Agriculture Canada. When I was on the payroll, I was the designated scientist of my institute to address public groups and reassure them that genetically engineered crops and foods were safe. There is, however, a growing body of scientific research - done mostly in Europe, Russia, and other countries - showing that diets containing engineered corn or soya cause serious health problems in laboratory mice and rats. I don't know if I was passionate about it but I was knowledgeable. I defended the side of technological advance, of science and progress. In the last 10 years I have changed my position. I started paying attention to the flow of published studies coming from Europe, some from prestigious labs and published in prestigious scientific journals, that questioned the impact and safety of engineered food. I refute the claims of the biotechnology companies that their engineered crops yield more, that they require less pesticide applications, that they have no impact on the environment and of course that they are safe to eat. There are a number of scientific studies that have been done for Monsanto by universities in the U.S., Canada, and abroad. Most of these studies are concerned with the field performance of the engineered crops, and of course they find GMOs safe for the environment and therefore safe to eat. Individuals should be encouraged to make their decisions on food safety based on scientific evidence and personal choice, not on emotion or the personal opinions of others. We should all take these studies seriously and demand that government agencies replicate them rather than rely on studies paid for by the biotech companies. The Bt corn and soya plants that are now everywhere in our environment are registered as insecticides. But are these insecticidal plants regulated and have their proteins been tested for safety? Not by the federal departments in charge of food safety, not in Canada and not in the U.S. There are no long-term feeding studies performed in these countries to demonstrate the claims that engineered corn and soya are safe. All we have are scientific studies out of Europe and Russia, showing that rats fed engineered food die prematurely. These studies show that proteins produced by engineered plants are different than what they should be. Inserting a gene in a genome using this technology can and does result in damaged proteins. The scientific literature is full of studies showing that engineered corn and soya contain toxic or allergenic proteins. Genetic engineering is 40 years old. It is based on the naive understanding of the genome based on the One Gene - one protein hypothesis of 70 years ago, that each gene codes for a single protein. The Human Genome project completed in 2002 showed that this hypothesis is wrong. The whole paradigm of the genetic engineering technology is based on a misunderstanding. Every scientist now learns that any gene can give more than one protein and that inserting a gene anywhere in a plant eventually creates rogue proteins. Some of these proteins are obviously allergenic or toxic. I have drafted a reply to Paul Horgen's letter to the Comox Valley Environmental Council. It is my wish that it goes viral as to educate as many people as possible rapidly. Any and all social media is fine by me. This can also be used as a briefing note for the councilors of AVICC or anywhere else. Thank you for your help. [Click here for original source with replies from Dr. Paul Horgen] I am turning you towards a recent compilation (June 2012) of over 500 government reports and scientific articles published in peer reviewed Journals, some of them with the highest recognition in the world. Like The Lancet in the medical field, or Advances in Food
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
The harmful mechanisms of GMO's in the food system for humans ends up being in epigenetics. Jeesuus, people should get religion on this subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics Read what is coming out. You'd be nuts to be buying and consuming food that has GMO ingredients in it. It's like no wonder. -B Yep, at least learn to read food labels and figure out what you are buying and eating. -B --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It's true, you proly cannot trust our Ag and bio-tech research coming out from USA universities and US research institutes cause it is so paid for by Monsanto. Science and technology is quickly shifting to other places anyway. The sequester is only accelerating that. -Buck outstanding in his field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.foodrevolution.org/blog/former-pro-gmo-scientist/ Former Pro-GMO Scientist Speaks Out On The Real Dangers of Genetically Engineered Food Published May 11, 2013 | By Ocean Robbins By Thierry Vrain I retired 10 years ago after a long career as a research scientist for Agriculture Canada. When I was on the payroll, I was the designated scientist of my institute to address public groups and reassure them that genetically engineered crops and foods were safe. There is, however, a growing body of scientific research - done mostly in Europe, Russia, and other countries - showing that diets containing engineered corn or soya cause serious health problems in laboratory mice and rats. I don't know if I was passionate about it but I was knowledgeable. I defended the side of technological advance, of science and progress. In the last 10 years I have changed my position. I started paying attention to the flow of published studies coming from Europe, some from prestigious labs and published in prestigious scientific journals, that questioned the impact and safety of engineered food. I refute the claims of the biotechnology companies that their engineered crops yield more, that they require less pesticide applications, that they have no impact on the environment and of course that they are safe to eat. There are a number of scientific studies that have been done for Monsanto by universities in the U.S., Canada, and abroad. Most of these studies are concerned with the field performance of the engineered crops, and of course they find GMOs safe for the environment and therefore safe to eat. Individuals should be encouraged to make their decisions on food safety based on scientific evidence and personal choice, not on emotion or the personal opinions of others. We should all take these studies seriously and demand that government agencies replicate them rather than rely on studies paid for by the biotech companies. The Bt corn and soya plants that are now everywhere in our environment are registered as insecticides. But are these insecticidal plants regulated and have their proteins been tested for safety? Not by the federal departments in charge of food safety, not in Canada and not in the U.S. There are no long-term feeding studies performed in these countries to demonstrate the claims that engineered corn and soya are safe. All we have are scientific studies out of Europe and Russia, showing that rats fed engineered food die prematurely. These studies show that proteins produced by engineered plants are different than what they should be. Inserting a gene in a genome using this technology can and does result in damaged proteins. The scientific literature is full of studies showing that engineered corn and soya contain toxic or allergenic proteins. Genetic engineering is 40 years old. It is based on the naive understanding of the genome based on the One Gene - one protein hypothesis of 70 years ago, that each gene codes for a single protein. The Human Genome project completed in 2002 showed that this hypothesis is wrong. The whole paradigm of the genetic engineering technology is based on a misunderstanding. Every scientist now learns that any gene can give more than one protein and that inserting a gene anywhere in a plant eventually creates rogue proteins. Some of these proteins are obviously allergenic or toxic. I have drafted a reply to Paul Horgen's letter to the Comox Valley Environmental Council. It is my wish that it goes viral as to educate as many people as possible rapidly. Any and all social media is fine by me. This can also be used as a briefing note for the councilors of AVICC or anywhere else. Thank you for your help. [Click
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
Hey Buck, been meaning to ask you how many farmers in the Fairfield area are still using Monsanto products and raising GMO crops especially corn? On 05/23/2013 12:09 PM, Buck wrote: Read what is coming out. You'd be nuts to be buying and consuming food that has GMO ingredients in it. It's like no wonder. -B
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: http://www.foodrevolution.org/blog/former-pro-gmo-scientist/ Former Pro-GMO Scientist Speaks Out On The Real Dangers of Genetically Engineered Food Published May 11, 2013 | By Ocean Robbins By Thierry Vrain I retired 10 years ago after a long career as a research scientist for Agriculture Canada. When I was on the payroll, I was the designated scientist of my institute to address public groups and reassure them that genetically engineered crops and foods were safe. There is, however, a growing body of scientific research - done mostly in Europe, Russia, and other countries - showing that diets containing engineered corn or soya cause serious health problems in laboratory mice and rats. I don't know if I was passionate about it but I was knowledgeable. I defended the side of technological advance, of science and progress. In the last 10 years I have changed my position. I started paying attention to the flow of published studies coming from Europe, some from prestigious labs and published in prestigious scientific journals, that questioned the impact and safety of engineered food. I refute the claims of the biotechnology companies that their engineered crops yield more, that they require less pesticide applications, that they have no impact on the environment and of course that they are safe to eat. There are a number of scientific studies that have been done for Monsanto by universities in the U.S., Canada, and abroad. Most of these studies are concerned with the field performance of the engineered crops, and of course they find GMOs safe for the environment and therefore safe to eat. Individuals should be encouraged to make their decisions on food safety based on scientific evidence and personal choice, not on emotion or the personal opinions of others. We should all take these studies seriously and demand that government agencies replicate them rather than rely on studies paid for by the biotech companies. The Bt corn and soya plants that are now everywhere in our environment are registered as insecticides. But are these insecticidal plants regulated and have their proteins been tested for safety? Not by the federal departments in charge of food safety, not in Canada and not in the U.S. There are no long-term feeding studies performed in these countries to demonstrate the claims that engineered corn and soya are safe. All we have are scientific studies out of Europe and Russia, showing that rats fed engineered food die prematurely. These studies show that proteins produced by engineered plants are different than what they should be. Inserting a gene in a genome using this technology can and does result in damaged proteins. The scientific literature is full of studies showing that engineered corn and soya contain toxic or allergenic proteins. Genetic engineering is 40 years old. It is based on the naive understanding of the genome based on the One Gene - one protein hypothesis of 70 years ago, that each gene codes for a single protein. The Human Genome project completed in 2002 showed that this hypothesis is wrong. The whole paradigm of the genetic engineering technology is based on a misunderstanding. Every scientist now learns that any gene can give more than one protein and that inserting a gene anywhere in a plant eventually creates rogue proteins. Some of these proteins are obviously allergenic or toxic. I have drafted a reply to Paul Horgen's letter to the Comox Valley Environmental Council. It is my wish that it goes viral as to educate as many people as possible rapidly. Any and all social media is fine by me. This can also be used as a briefing note for the councilors of AVICC or anywhere else. Thank you for your help. [Click here for original source with replies from Dr. Paul Horgen] I am turning you towards a recent compilation (June 2012) of over 500 government reports and scientific articles published in peer reviewed Journals, some of them with the highest recognition in the world. Like The Lancet in the medical field, or Advances in Food and Nutrition Research, or Biotechnology, or Scandinavian Journal of Immunology, European Journal of Histochemistry, Journal of Proteome Research, etc â?¦ This compilation was made by a genetic engineer in London, and an investigative journalist who summarized the gist of the publications for the lay public. GMO Myths and Truths - an evidence based examination of the claims made for the safety and efficacy of genetically modified crops. A report of 120 pages, it can be downloaded for free from Earth Open Source. GMO Myths and Truths disputes the claims of the Biotech industry that GM crops yield better and more nutritious food, that they save on the use of pesticides, have no environmental impact whatsoever and are perfectly safe to eat. Genetic pollution is so prevalent in North and South America where GM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Hey Buck, been meaning to ask you how many farmers in the Fairfield area are still using Monsanto products and raising GMO crops especially corn? How many? The vast majority plant GMO corn or soy. Either by number of farmers or acreage. Corn crop more than soy usually. Farmers are driven by markets. There are some who do not plant GMO corn or soy either planting organic or conventional corn or soy. Driven by market price they still plant GMO mostly. That will change as consumers realize the problem with eating GMO fed meat and GMO ingredients in food otherwise. Smart farmers are hedging already what they plant. Organic corn and soy has not worked out so well economically so a lot of farmers have pulled back from that. Corn and soy are commodity grains the planting of which is mostly driven by price. Corn and soy prices have been going crazy as commodity the last few years which has pulled a lot more acres back in to row crop production and out of forage production. Quite visibly there is a lot of highly erodible ground that has no business being with row crops on it being farmed with corn and soy this year. It is really obscene to see what is happening and how fast the soil is going downhill. About the markets, I called a buyer yesterday and he said there was more buzz around this subject of GMO crop from his consumer buyers asking. There is starting to be an awareness of the problem. GMO crop farmers well could be left holding the bag by next winter. -Buck On 05/23/2013 12:09 PM, Buck wrote: Read what is coming out. You'd be nuts to be buying and consuming food that has GMO ingredients in it. It's like no wonder. -B
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
On 05/23/2013 03:40 PM, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Hey Buck, been meaning to ask you how many farmers in the Fairfield area are still using Monsanto products and raising GMO crops especially corn? How many? The vast majority plant GMO corn or soy. Either by number of farmers or acreage. Corn crop more than soy usually. Farmers are driven by markets. There are some who do not plant GMO corn or soy either planting organic or conventional corn or soy. Driven by market price they still plant GMO mostly. That will change as consumers realize the problem with eating GMO fed meat and GMO ingredients in food otherwise. Smart farmers are hedging already what they plant. Organic corn and soy has not worked out so well economically so a lot of farmers have pulled back from that. Corn and soy are commodity grains the planting of which is mostly driven by price. Corn and soy prices have been going crazy as commodity the last few years which has pulled a lot more acres back in to row crop production and out of forage production. Quite visibly there is a lot of highly erodible ground that has no business being with row crops on it being farmed with corn and soy this year. It is really obscene to see what is happening and how fast the soil is going downhill. About the markets, I called a buyer yesterday and he said there was more buzz around this subject of GMO crop from his consumer buyers asking. There is starting to be an awareness of the problem. GMO crop farmers well could be left holding the bag by next winter. -Buck Thanks for the info.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/23/2013 03:40 PM, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Hey Buck, been meaning to ask you how many farmers in the Fairfield area are still using Monsanto products and raising GMO crops especially corn? How many? The vast majority plant GMO corn or soy. Either by number of farmers or acreage. Corn crop more than soy usually. Farmers are driven by markets. There are some who do not plant GMO corn or soy either planting organic or conventional corn or soy. Driven by market price they still plant GMO mostly. That will change as consumers realize the problem with eating GMO fed meat and GMO ingredients in food otherwise. Smart farmers are hedging already what they plant. Organic corn and soy has not worked out so well economically so a lot of farmers have pulled back from that. Corn and soy are commodity grains the planting of which is mostly driven by price. Corn and soy prices have been going crazy as commodity the last few years which has pulled a lot more acres back in to row crop production and out of forage production. Quite visibly there is a lot of highly erodible ground that has no business being with row crops on it being farmed with corn and soy this year. It is really obscene to see what is happening and how fast the soil is going downhill. About the markets, I called a buyer yesterday and he said there was more buzz around this subject of GMO crop from his consumer buyers asking. There is starting to be an awareness of the problem. GMO crop farmers well could be left holding the bag by next winter. -Buck Thanks for the info.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
But secondly for FFL, I think it is interesting that epigenetics becomes the more subtle mechanism in the physiology with either the case of GMO's activating the negative and unhealthy expression of genes like the most progressive science on meditation now is revealing the positive and healthful influence of meditation at the epigenetic level of the physiology. Like, along with readings in the Upanishads also read epigenetics. -Buck Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/23/2013 03:40 PM, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Hey Buck, been meaning to ask you how many farmers in the Fairfield area are still using Monsanto products and raising GMO crops especially corn? How many? The vast majority plant GMO corn or soy. Either by number of farmers or acreage. Corn crop more than soy usually. Farmers are driven by markets. There are some who do not plant GMO corn or soy either planting organic or conventional corn or soy. Driven by market price they still plant GMO mostly. That will change as consumers realize the problem with eating GMO fed meat and GMO ingredients in food otherwise. Smart farmers are hedging already what they plant. Organic corn and soy has not worked out so well economically so a lot of farmers have pulled back from that. Corn and soy are commodity grains the planting of which is mostly driven by price. Corn and soy prices have been going crazy as commodity the last few years which has pulled a lot more acres back in to row crop production and out of forage production. Quite visibly there is a lot of highly erodible ground that has no business being with row crops on it being farmed with corn and soy this year. It is really obscene to see what is happening and how fast the soil is going downhill. About the markets, I called a buyer yesterday and he said there was more buzz around this subject of GMO crop from his consumer buyers asking. There is starting to be an awareness of the problem. GMO crop farmers well could be left holding the bag by next winter. -Buck Thanks for the info.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food
Remember the classic 1960's film, The Graduate and *plastics*. Now it is *epigenetics* in the 21st Century. In our case it explains a lot about the virtues of meditation and why everyone should be meditating more. It is amazing to understand the underlying science. GMO's unlike meditation evidently are an experience we do not need to have on our health. It is a fair warning to protect the Dome numbers meditating, -Buck in the Dome Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of spirituality we discuss on FFL? So why would Buck a conservative meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's where FFL and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield. Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating together. Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice. Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: But secondly for FFL, I think it is interesting that epigenetics becomes the more subtle mechanism in the physiology with either the case of GMO's activating the negative and unhealthy expression of genes like the most progressive science on meditation now is revealing the positive and healthful influence of meditation at the epigenetic level of the physiology. Like, along with readings in the Upanishads also read epigenetics. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/23/2013 03:40 PM, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Hey Buck, been meaning to ask you how many farmers in the Fairfield area are still using Monsanto products and raising GMO crops especially corn? How many? The vast majority plant GMO corn or soy. Either by number of farmers or acreage. Corn crop more than soy usually. Farmers are driven by markets. There are some who do not plant GMO corn or soy either planting organic or conventional corn or soy. Driven by market price they still plant GMO mostly. That will change as consumers realize the problem with eating GMO fed meat and GMO ingredients in food otherwise. Smart farmers are hedging already what they plant. Organic corn and soy has not worked out so well economically so a lot of farmers have pulled back from that. Corn and soy are commodity grains the planting of which is mostly driven by price. Corn and soy prices have been going crazy as commodity the last few years which has pulled a lot more acres back in to row crop production and out of forage production. Quite visibly there is a lot of highly erodible ground that has no business being with row crops on it being farmed with corn and soy this year. It is really obscene to see what is happening and how fast the soil is going downhill. About the markets, I called a buyer yesterday and he said there was more buzz around this subject of GMO crop from his consumer buyers asking. There is starting to be an awareness of the problem. GMO crop farmers well could be left holding the bag by next winter. -Buck Thanks for the info.
