Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Charlie Brej wrote: Michael Langlie wrote: Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list How does this look? Please give feedback asap. There a are a couple things still missing (the stepped progress of the white, the haloing moving from the centre). Ignore the rays on the halo. [1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/plymouth_fedora.mpg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I am going to be away till next Friday somewhere I doubt I will be able to get a reasonable internet connection, so here are the two plugins in their current state. http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/fedora.tar.gz http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/leonidas.tar.gz ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
First , i try new boot screen with 20 sec and without text. I like first boot screen ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif) by Michael Langlie . Maybe next time i see more beautiful icons or boot screen. -- http://python-catalin.blogspot.com http://pygame-catalin.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 09:40 -0400, Michael Langlie wrote: > Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs > in GIMP. > One layer per frame, you'll specify that you want to make it animated during save. Not exactly convenient, since I haven't yet figured if there is a way to preview the animation in gimp, but not hard either. I also don't know where to specify frames duration (other than default frames duration that is set during save)... Here's a quick example [1][2] > Mike > Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.xcf [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.gif signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot > faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with > something more realistic around 20 seconds. > Well, it still takes kernel to load a few seconds and udev a few seconds and X a few seconds... On standard machines I don't believe (much) less than 30s is possible if we are talking about booting to a fully loaded usable standard purpose desktop using kernel that is supposed to work on wide range of hardware... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Michael Langlie wrote: Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list How does this look? Please give feedback asap. There a are a couple things still missing (the stepped progress of the white, the haloing moving from the centre). Ignore the rays on the halo. [1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/plymouth_fedora.mpg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
- Original Message > From: Michael Langlie > To: Fedora Art List > Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs > in > GIMP. Nothing to be sorry about :) The animation looks great. If you ever need help/advice in what tool to use there's lots of folks here to help. Maybe Tatica can give us an update on synfig. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On 04/10/2009 04:35 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: It really sucks that our animation tools suck. I wonder if synfig [2] is any more up to snuff these days. I have not tried it lately. It could be a useful tool in the future. I saw Tatica talking about synfig as one of the applications she like, so I guess we can have some insight from her... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On Friday 10 April 2009 15:38:38 Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 04/10/2009 04:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > On Friday 10 April 2009 13:28:58 Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can > >> barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot > >> *that* fast :p ) > > > > Moblin is partially based on Fedora and Intel developers want 2 seconds > > boot!!! (I don't believe it's possible, fast& furious :D) > > > > http://www.h-online.com/open/Intel-aims-at-a-2-second-boot-for- > > Moblin--/news/113043 > > But according to other sources "Fifteen operating system vendors have > committed to distribute Moblin-based products, including Asianux, > Canonical, DeviceVM, gOS, MontaVista, Novell, and Wind River" > (http://linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2009/04/linux-foundati >on-host-moblin-project) - no Fedora or Red Hat mentioned among them :p It's mixture of Fedora's base packages, OpenSUSE build system (?) and other distros with lot of custom hacks as I know :-) > Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot > faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with > something more realistic around 20 seconds. Yes, it's for netbooks and embedded systems, so they can do a lot of optimizations, light BIOS etc. But with EEE Box styled devices it can reach desktop soon too. Jaroslav ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Hi Nicu, - Original Message > From: Nicu Buculei > Subject: Re: idea for Fedora boot screen > On 04/09/2009 07:33 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > > I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. > > The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. > > Sorry for the apparently rude question, but Mike, it would be hard to use > GIMP > or any FOSS tool for creating such trivial type of graphics? I think in this case it's probably okay, and here's why I think why: 1) Animation is hard in FOSS. Besides Blender (which is overkill for this) there isn't really much. Gimp does have the animation tool and that probably could have been used here, but Mike did provide the PSD source which is openable by Gimp so we could modify the animation if we needed to. (I will admit it would take a significant amount of work to manipulate in Gimp because of how Photoshop sets up animations in the PSD, but still possible. In the future Gimp-based animations would make it easier for others to work with the file.) Even so, animation in FOSS is not a solved problem. 2) The animation is in gif format, not flash, not quicktime, etc. etc. Animated GIF I think is an animation format we can al agree on. 3) (I think this is the most important) The animation is not going to be used directly in Fedora. It's (correct me if I'm wrong) meant to be a mockup to demonstrate to Charlie how he will write the animation in Python. So the final product won't have much to do with proprietary tools, fortunately. What do you think with those in mind? > > We use to pride about the Fedora graphics being made *with* Fedora, as a > testimony of our confidence in the distro and I see the Photoshop here as a > step > back. Even more as I wasn't able to see a straightforward way to create the > final GIFs starting from your PSDs with a Free tool (I guess is about > transitions or some other unsupported features from the file format). There is a way, it just requires a bit of time to set up, which we don't have much of now unfortunately. I do like the first animation though, and I talked to Charlie about doing a version of it with the thin Greek accent line along the bottom, but in a way that the Greek accent could be taken out easiy (eg for F12.) I think we're going to need a different approach to the artwork for F12 but we can talk about that when this stuff is out the door. Anyhow, I think adding just a simple subtle greek line along the bottom of the animation would tie it in with the other graphics [1]; I talked to Mike about whether or not he thought this might work and he thought it would be a fine approach. It really sucks that our animation tools suck. I wonder if synfig [2] is any more up to snuff these days. I have not tried it lately. It could be a useful tool in the future. ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC [2] http://synfig.org/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs in GIMP. Mike - Original Message - From: "Nicu Buculei" To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:03:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: idea for Fedora boot screen On 04/09/2009 07:33 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. > The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. Sorry for the apparently rude question, but Mike, it would be hard to use GIMP or any FOSS tool for creating such trivial type of graphics? We use to pride about the Fedora graphics being made *with* Fedora, as a testimony of our confidence in the distro and I see the Photoshop here as a step back. Even more as I wasn't able to see a straightforward way to create the final GIFs starting from your PSDs with a Free tool (I guess is about transitions or some other unsupported features from the file format). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On 04/10/2009 04:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Friday 10 April 2009 13:28:58 Nicu Buculei wrote: On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot *that* fast :p ) Moblin is partially based on Fedora and Intel developers want 2 seconds boot!!! (I don't believe it's possible, fast& furious :D) http://www.h-online.com/open/Intel-aims-at-a-2-second-boot-for- Moblin--/news/113043 But according to other sources "Fifteen operating system vendors have committed to distribute Moblin-based products, including Asianux, Canonical, DeviceVM, gOS, MontaVista, Novell, and Wind River" (http://linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2009/04/linux-foundation-host-moblin-project) - no Fedora or Red Hat mentioned among them :p Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with something more realistic around 20 seconds. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On Friday 10 April 2009 13:28:58 Nicu Buculei wrote: > > On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can > barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot > *that* fast :p ) Moblin is partially based on Fedora and Intel developers want 2 seconds boot!!! (I don't believe it's possible, fast & furious :D) http://www.h-online.com/open/Intel-aims-at-a-2-second-boot-for- Moblin--/news/113043 Jaroslav ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On 04/10/2009 01:42 PM, Cata wrote: *My idea:* *Direct link* http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif Unfortunately something like this won't work, Fedora is an operating system for the entire world, we can't go with an English-only text. Due to localization concerns, is wide to avoid any texts rendered as graphics. On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot *that* fast :p ) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
*My idea:* *Direct link* http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif *Thumbnail for websites* http://www.imagehosting.ro/viewer.php?file=ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif";>http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1_thumb.gif"; border="0" alt="ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif" /> -- http://python-catalin.blogspot.com http://pygame-catalin.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On 04/10/2009 11:05 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: Seems to me that while you may prefer someone to use the tools you favor we are not in and should not be in a position to turn away high quality work that is licensed properly and in a format everyone can read (GIF). You may pride yourself as a Free Software purist but keep in mind that not everyone feels the same way. Now, if the The problem is like this: if I want to make an improvement on Mike's work, I am unable to do so by using the provided sources. The only thing I can do is to edit the final GIFs, which is sub-optimal, after a loss of image quality. contribution (in this case a mock up) was made using a problematic file format - like the mockup done using MPEG earlier this week - I think someone has a valid complaint. I think Charlie did it properly by implementing the animation as a Plymouth plugin and used MPEG only to capture the screen output (a minor bad choice, he could have used Ogg Theora instead) - note the clip show a virtual machine window. I think it is safe to say that a vast majority of the good designers in the world are using software that you may not like. People use We got burned hard in the past, a notable example is the Bluecurve icon set, which was freely licensed but captive in a proprietary format, making impossible to contribute without spending an important sum of money. As a result, the set stagnated for *years* and ultimately died. whatever they feel makes them more productive. Perhaps a better question may be (if you are really interested in changing the status quo): "what could we do to Fedora to make you enjoy using it and make you more productive?". Many of us are working tirelessly on this problem but we just aren't there yet. We are not talking about some state of the art graphics but about some basic effects which can be put together with GIMP in about 10 minutes by a newbie. For something like this we are "there" for more than 10 years... Think about it this way... would an upstream project give me grief if I wrote code in, say, Microsoft Word? As long as the contribution was high quality, in an acceptable format, and licensed properly - no, they wouldn't and shouldn't. Sure, they may roll their eyes if they knew. Now, why don't I use some proprietary tool for writing code? Well, as it turns out the tools that make me feel more productive (for now - though I swear at them everyday) are open source. Why is that? Well, someone went through the trouble of making it so. And what if gcc would not be able to understand and compile your code? I am quite positive it would be rejected from Fedora. Frankly, we need all the help we can get in making our Desktop more beautiful and enjoyable. Arguments such as this will discourage contributors - guaranteed. We need more - not less - and especially those as meritorious as Mike. Yes, some of Mike's works are astounding but let me show the mission statement from http://fedoraproject.org/ "Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases the latest in free and open source software. Fedora is always free for anyone to use, modify, and distribute. It is built by people across the globe who work together as a community: the Fedora Project. The Fedora Project is open and anyone is welcome to join. The Fedora Project is out front for you, leading the advancement of free, open software and content." I think it is best if the Fedora art community remains relevant, open, and focused on the merit of the work. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Hi Nicu, On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > On 04/09/2009 07:33 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: >> >> I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. >> The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. > > Sorry for the apparently rude question, but Mike, it would be hard to use > GIMP or any FOSS tool for creating such trivial type of graphics? > > We use to pride about the Fedora graphics being made *with* Fedora, as a > testimony of our confidence in the distro and I see the Photoshop here as a > step back. Even more as I wasn't able to see a straightforward way to create > the final GIFs starting from your PSDs with a Free tool (I guess is about > transitions or some other unsupported features from the file format). Seems to me that while you may prefer someone to use the tools you favor we are not in and should not be in a position to turn away high quality work that is licensed properly and in a format everyone can read (GIF). You may pride yourself as a Free Software purist but keep in mind that not everyone feels the same way. Now, if the contribution (in this case a mock up) was made using a problematic file format - like the mockup done using MPEG earlier this week - I think someone has a valid complaint. I think it is safe to say that a vast majority of the good designers in the world are using software that you may not like. People use whatever they feel makes them more productive. Perhaps a better question may be (if you are really interested in changing the status quo): "what could we do to Fedora to make you enjoy using it and make you more productive?". Many of us are working tirelessly on this problem but we just aren't there yet. Think about it this way... would an upstream project give me grief if I wrote code in, say, Microsoft Word? As long as the contribution was high quality, in an acceptable format, and licensed properly - no, they wouldn't and shouldn't. Sure, they may roll their eyes if they knew. Now, why don't I use some proprietary tool for writing code? Well, as it turns out the tools that make me feel more productive (for now - though I swear at them everyday) are open source. Why is that? Well, someone went through the trouble of making it so. Frankly, we need all the help we can get in making our Desktop more beautiful and enjoyable. Arguments such as this will discourage contributors - guaranteed. We need more - not less - and especially those as meritorious as Mike. I think it is best if the Fedora art community remains relevant, open, and focused on the merit of the work. Thanks, Jon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On 04/09/2009 07:33 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. Sorry for the apparently rude question, but Mike, it would be hard to use GIMP or any FOSS tool for creating such trivial type of graphics? We use to pride about the Fedora graphics being made *with* Fedora, as a testimony of our confidence in the distro and I see the Photoshop here as a step back. Even more as I wasn't able to see a straightforward way to create the final GIFs starting from your PSDs with a Free tool (I guess is about transitions or some other unsupported features from the file format). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On 04/09/2009 09:09 PM, William Jon McCann wrote: My view is that the current trend of highly decorative and themed boot splashes is an artifact of our failure to improve boot times. We should be designing for the case where boot is fairly quick and the boot screens are merely a brief transition to GDM (only necessary since it will be longer than 2 seconds even in the best case). Having it be a distinct and highly decorative stage in the boot process detracts from the overall experience from power-on to desktop. I disagree and the reason is also the transition to GMD. To have it smooth I believe it make a lot of sense to have a similar level of decoration in Plymouth and GDM, have the transition from one to another be just a matter of fade out/fade in for some elements (progress bar/login window). Also, moving away from a traditional progress bar is a good thing, in my opinion. For what its worth, Windows 7 seems to be headed in this direction as well: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/18/engineering-the-windows-7-boot-animation.aspx Does Windows 7 change the screen mode from the boot progress to the login screen to the desktop? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 05:35:48PM -0400, Michael Langlie wrote: > Based on Ray Strode's comments and suggestions, here are a couple more > versions where the progress indicator loops before resolving as the Fedora > logo. These could also work without using the Fedora logo, just a circle > shape. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_04.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_05.gif > So I'm assuming the idea is to have a progress bar under these? If so, I really like 04. -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgpRzQ6LJi454.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
I like this very much. I would love to boot my machine to that. I will be doing soon :D On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > Based on Ray Strode's comments and suggestions, here are a couple more > versions where the progress indicator loops before resolving as the Fedora > logo. These could also work without using the Fedora logo, just a circle > shape. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_04.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_05.gif > > > Mike > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mlanglie > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Based on Ray Strode's comments and suggestions, here are a couple more versions where the progress indicator loops before resolving as the Fedora logo. These could also work without using the Fedora logo, just a circle shape. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_04.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_05.gif Mike https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mlanglie ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 03:08:37PM -0400, Ray Strode wrote: > I think this looks really good, too. I like the idea of a minimally themed > or unthemed splash that we can standardize on. > It means we can > > 1) provide a consistent look at boot time from release to release > 2) take the time to polish and evolve one idea > Whole-heartedly agreed. This would be great. :) -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgprKqTyTNPoB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Hi, > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > > Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) > > demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use > > the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif > > These look great. I love this simplicity and elegance. And I think > it looks even better than I expected without the Fedora text. I think this looks really good, too. I like the idea of a minimally themed or unthemed splash that we can standardize on. It means we can 1) provide a consistent look at boot time from release to release 2) take the time to polish and evolve one idea > This also gives us a reasonable target for how quickly we should boot. > My view is that the current trend of highly decorative and themed > boot splashes is an artifact of our failure to improve boot times. We > should be designing for the case where boot is fairly quick and the > boot screens are merely a brief transition to GDM (only necessary > since it will be longer than 2 seconds even in the best case). Having > it be a distinct and highly decorative stage in the boot process > detracts from the overall experience from power-on to desktop. > > Also, moving away from a traditional progress bar is a good thing, I don't disagree in the mid-to-long run, but realistically people are going to be stuck with 45 - 75 second boots for F11 like they were with F10 and earlier. I feel like while that animation looks really good at the speed shown in the mock up, it won't feel quite right on the vast majority of machines that slow boot times. Unfortunately, I really do think we need a separate progress bar for now. Given we're stuck with slow boot times, I'd propose for F11 we do one of: 1) do the proposed animation in a loop while booting and have a nice looking separate progress bar that's lifetime is the entire boot process or 2) do the proposed animation at the same speed as the mock up at the very tail end of the boot process (the last 10 seconds or whatever) and do a progess bar up until that point. If we know ahead of time that boot up will be fast (remember we record the last boot duration and load it at boot up), then we can just omit the progress bar steps. That way, those users with fast SSD drives or whatever get the best experience even now, and users with slow boot up get an okay experience now and the best experience later when we actually fix boot time. --Ray ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Hey Mike, On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) > demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the > logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif These look great. I love this simplicity and elegance. And I think it looks even better than I expected without the Fedora text. I think I prefer the first slightly more than the second because the second puts too much emphasis on the infinity symbol. This also gives us a reasonable target for how quickly we should boot. My view is that the current trend of highly decorative and themed boot splashes is an artifact of our failure to improve boot times. We should be designing for the case where boot is fairly quick and the boot screens are merely a brief transition to GDM (only necessary since it will be longer than 2 seconds even in the best case). Having it be a distinct and highly decorative stage in the boot process detracts from the overall experience from power-on to desktop. Also, moving away from a traditional progress bar is a good thing, in my opinion. For what its worth, Windows 7 seems to be headed in this direction as well: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/18/engineering-the-windows-7-boot-animation.aspx Anyway, I think this is clearly a step in the right direction. Perhaps some of the talented artists on this list can further refine these ideas. But even as they are I think this is an excellent candidate for the default F11 boot splash. Jon PS. It is pretty exciting that in F11 we will have graphical/quiet/smooth/elegant boot on all major platforms for the first time ever. Before any other open source software distribution! As such I think it pays to think carefully about how we present this. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. > I feel the versions which use Fedora logo are quite good. The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_03.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MikeLanglie > > Mike > > -Alagappan NIT Trichy www.alagappanitsme.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_03.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MikeLanglie Mike - Original Message - From: "Michael Langlie" To: "Fedora Art List" Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Great work! I like the second with the infinity symbol. 2009/4/8 Michael Langlie > Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) > demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use > the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif > > Mike > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 05:59:41PM -0400, Michael Langlie wrote: > Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) > demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the > logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif > I really like the idea! This could probably be used for a lot more than just the Plymouth animation as well. -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgpkxVqVy0VR3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
idea for Fedora boot screen
Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
