Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear 0.9.8, Mac OS X build
--- Andrew Midosn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice that no-one is assuming that this could have been an innocent mistake. I accept that it is unlikely, but it wouldn't be the first time that a file has been included in a software release in error. I would agree that it is entirely inappropriate for this file to be distributed with FlightGear, but has anyone asked the package maintainer if they intended the file to be included? Sorry - I really must finish reading ALL of my mail before replying. I see that this has already been covered, so I'll shut up again now. :-) Regards Andrew ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear 0.9.8, Mac OS X build
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:35:37 -0600, Curtis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If people aren't satisfied with the ultimate resolution, then you are by all means free to create an alternative mac package to which I will freely link from the downloads page. ..I get the impression this is as simple as taking Athurs package, rip out the Jesusing, thank Arthur for preliminary packaging as per the GPL and just re-zip his package, does it even need to be done on a Mac box? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear 0.9.8, Mac OS X build
* Christian Brunschen -- Thursday 20 January 2005 17:43: Is it really a good idea to have essentially religious propaganda shipped in the semi-official build of FlightGear for Mac OS X? No! I'm utterly disgusted by this abuse! It's an offense to all Jews, Muslim, Hindu, etc. and it has *nothing* to do with FlightGear. I don't want to see my name and my contributions in the context of religious or other propaganda. 1. The responsible person should be asked to *immediately* remove the offending religious content. 2. If he refuses (which the GPL lets him), he should not be given any further support. He should be banned from the mailing lists. 3. The project should note on the homepage that it is in no way affiliated with and distances itself from any religious or other propaganda that is distributed together with FlightGear. m. :-( ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear 0.9.8, Mac OS X build
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 17:35, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Christian Brunschen -- Thursday 20 January 2005 17:43: Is it really a good idea to have essentially religious propaganda shipped in the semi-official build of FlightGear for Mac OS X? No! I'm utterly disgusted by this abuse! It's an offense to all Jews, Muslim, Hindu, etc. and it has *nothing* to do with FlightGear. I don't want to see my name and my contributions in the context of religious or other propaganda. 1. The responsible person should be asked to *immediately* remove the offending religious content. 2. If he refuses (which the GPL lets him), he should not be given any further support. He should be banned from the mailing lists. 3. The project should note on the homepage that it is in no way affiliated with and distances itself from any religious or other propaganda that is distributed together with FlightGear. m. :-( Although in not such vociferous terms I am inclined to agree. I have not made any significant contribution to FlightGear yet, I would be disappointed to see my name associated with rhetoric to which I do not subscribe. I would also suggest that upon the insistance of the inclusion of this document, the best option would be disavowment. Dave Martin. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear 0.9.8, Mac OS X build
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:35:53 +0100, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. The responsible person should be asked to *immediately* remove the offending religious content. 2. If he refuses (which the GPL lets him), he should not be given any further support. He should be banned from the mailing lists. 3. The project should note on the homepage that it is in no way affiliated with and distances itself from any religious or other propaganda that is distributed together with FlightGear. Or alternatively, why not encourage free speech and send him several pamphlets with alternative viewpoints to include in the same distribution? That may be enough to convince him to pull his own without any threats. I have a vague recollection of a Simpsons episode where Springfield Elementary School decides or is forced to teach creationism as well as evolution, and (evangelical Protestant Christian) Rev. Lovejoy is furious when he finds out that his is only one of many religions invited in to speak (I might be remembering it wrong, though). All the best, David -- http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear 0.9.8, Mac OS X build
Jim Wilson wrote: David Megginson said: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:35:53 +0100, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. The responsible person should be asked to *immediately* remove the offending religious content. 2. If he refuses (which the GPL lets him), he should not be given any further support. He should be banned from the mailing lists. 3. The project should note on the homepage that it is in no way affiliated with and distances itself from any religious or other propaganda that is distributed together with FlightGear. Or alternatively, why not encourage free speech and send him several pamphlets with alternative viewpoints to include in the same distribution? That may be enough to convince him to pull his own without any threats. I have a vague recollection of a Simpsons episode where Springfield Elementary School decides or is forced to teach creationism as well as evolution, and (evangelical Protestant Christian) Rev. Lovejoy is furious when he finds out that his is only one of many religions invited in to speak (I might be remembering it wrong, though). Maybe just a respectful, polite note asking for it to be removed would suffice. I'd hate to be on the receiving end of this discussion. Jim makes a good point. Some may argue that the developer in question could have chosen a better way to express his faith. But at the same time, I'm a little dismayed at the tone used by some of the other developers here to voice their objections. Personally, for those with objections, I would have started with a letter directly to the developer explaining your perspective and why you think there should be a change. Well reasoned civil discourse can go a long way towards a solution, assuming we are all reasonable people here. :-) We aren't going to start banning people from the mailing list. I can't tell people to check their religion at the door before they can participate in the FlightGear project. I can't tell a package maintainer what they can or cannot put in their package (assuming they havn't violated the GPL.) I do think that some people could stand to be a little more tolerant of other views. I think that enough other developers have made their point now, and have made their point clearly (although I think it would have been more civil to send a personal letter rather than post a rant on the mailing list.) So now it's up to the mac packager to take these points into consideration. If people aren't satisfied with the ultimate resolution, then you are by all means free to create an alternative mac package to which I will freely link from the downloads page. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear 0.9.8, Mac OS X build
* Arthur Wiebe -- Thursday 20 January 2005 20:24: What I will do and am in the process of doing is update the package to include this in an About.rtf file: The following contents have been included by Arthur Wiebe and may not reflect the views of any of the contributors or developers of the FlightGear project. O hope that satisfies this issue. No, it doesn't. But as long as there are no links to this package from the official FlightGear page, there isn't much we can do against this abuse. *If* FlightGear officially links to this package, then I will stop contributing to it. m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear 0.9.8, Mac OS X build
Melchior FRANZ wrote: No, it doesn't. But as long as there are no links to this package from the official FlightGear page, there isn't much we can do against this abuse. *If* FlightGear officially links to this package, then I will stop contributing to it. Hmm, you might want to take a nights sleep over it. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
